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Zack Greinke Only American League Pitcher with Multiple Strikeouts, Robbed of Game MVP Award

Sure, it may be a homer pick, but you got any better ideas? The only guys who really had a great game were the reporters who made plans for later tonight. There was a four of five inning stretch in the middle of this game that... well, I don't even know if they actually played the innings at all. All I remember was Greinke pitching and commercials.

Bottom 4th:

Z. Greinke relieved M. Buehrle
R. Ibanez fouled out to third
D. Wright struck out looking
S. Victorino struck out swinging

Star-divide

  • Yay, the American League won. As a pathetic Royals fan, I get some sixteenth degree bragging rights from that.
  • Even though the game "counts" now, there's still an inherent randomness to the game, that personally, I don't mind... if it didn't determine anything. As was mentioned in the game thread, the game was decided in an AB between an Oriole and a Padre.
  • Between the blatant homerism of the managers and the newest trend of "guys vaguely from the home team area get special playing time considerations" we should really think of having this game not determine anything. I was actually nervous all day about the NL having an advantage because their best hitter was going to get three or four PAs because he was a Cardinal. But hey, it was a special moment when Ryan Franklin pitched in the third inning. Special.
  • These games are becoming perfect parodies of today's closer-obsessed game. And the Amercian League has consistently had much better closers this decade. And more of them. It's an under-discussed key to the continued AL dominance of the Game. Think I'm exaggerating? Since the Gagne years, has the NL had a single closer who would crack the top 5 in the AL?

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crawford first position player since 1968 to win MVP

without a RBI (but i’m ok with it).

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 14, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

not just the AL

only pitcher in either league with more than one strikeout. pretty cool.

by swing and a miss on Jul 14, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah great job on picking Halladay over Greinke, Joe Madden

Halladay gave up 4 hits and 3 runs in two innings with zero strikeouts. Great call starting Halladay over Greinke. What a joke.

by eXCell1st on Jul 14, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

greinke's performance just a sign of things to come

THE AL CENTRAL IS OURS!!!!

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 14, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

question

foxsports.com has Halladay listed as giving up 2 ER, while mlb.com has him listed as giving up 3 ER. Is foxsports wrong since there was Fielder doubled after the error, so Victorino would have scored anyways?

by eXCell1st on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm starting a new method of choosing a favorite player:

From now on, anybody who doesn’t swing at the first pitch in an All-Star Game will move to the top of my list.

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on Jul 14, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just the opposite

A 2.5 hour All Star game is perfect

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was watching the 1981 ASG on MLB Network last weekend

I was really amazed how many guys swung at the first pitch. Most hit weak dribblers too. The game flew along back then.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jul 15, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

news in kc saying royals getting 2012 ASG

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

which is probably old news

but first i heard of it

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 14, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I have seen

says it’s at Fenway.

Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"

by IISaiNtII on Jul 15, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we'll get it in

2014. Selig said KC would have one between 2008-2014… or something like that.

Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"

by IISaiNtII on Jul 15, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think even Bud is dumb enough

To give it to the same stadium, unaltered, that hosted it in 1999.

Actually, he is.

by kcbottom9th on Jul 15, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised it's not there every year.

Or every other year with Yankee Stadium. Just the way Bud would like it.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the plan to start halladay was to increase his trade value, epic fail.

by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Jul 14, 2009 11:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

IMagine what other fans would be saying about Zack

if he started this game & had to give a full press confernce w/ national media/

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/7/13/947906/trading-chip-halladay-to-start-asg#

posted this earlier

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 15, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

oops that doesn't work like I thought it would

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 15, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least Madden gave the start to the guy with an established MLB career

Tip ’O the hat to ya Roy, now I have no problem with that, because Zack did what he has been doing all this and part of last season, strike people out.

I ain’t mad at cha Madden, Grienke should be in the show long enough to get an ASG start, and really deep down who cares, he pitched in it today, and fanned ’em!!!

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 14, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

ummm

I thought the start goes to the pitcher who has pitched the best in the first half. That pitcher would be Mr. Greinke. Established career my ass.

by eXCell1st on Jul 14, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure I agree, but I don't mind

He showed everyone where he should have been, and that is good enough….for now.

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 15, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

good call

He did prove to everyone where he should have started, and you’re right that is good enough. Plus, I’d rather take a Cy Young than be a starter in an All-Star game.

by eXCell1st on Jul 15, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

the same bias

will exist to prevent Greinke from winning the Cy Young. No Royal will ever win it again.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm not incorrect

Cy Young is decided by the writers, where as All Star Starter is decided by Joe Maddon.

by KCScuba on Jul 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes that's right - or is that write? ;-)

But, you don’t think the writers are biased to east coast baseball? Plus wins are the most important stat to them and Zaq is not going to be anywhere close to what will be needed due to his AAA teammates.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

$14.57

2 steak grilled stuft-no beans
2 steak tacos
2 of these crazy crunchy tacos with red shells

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 15, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

are u serious?

That sounds expensive for taco bell! i want that new bacon one, it sounds tasty.

by eXCell1st on Jul 15, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're going to feel like shit in about 20 minutes.

Enjoy.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129

by Warden11 on Jul 15, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed

You’re going to feel like shit in about 20 minutes.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 15, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed

If you DON’T shit in about 20 minutes, you’re going to FEEL like shit in about 20 minutes.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

pretty hefty price for just six items

by Freneau on Jul 15, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Their Taco Meat

Used to taste like dirt; now it tastes like dog food smells. I can’t decide which is better, but I credit Pepsi for the change.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 15, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If by "amazing"

you mean “the vileness of this substance will cause you to react with amazement” then yes.

This space for rent.

by jonfmorse on Jul 15, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm seriously thinking of writing to Maddon

What a douchebag. I love it that Halliday got raked. How is it that Maddon is such a stupid fuck that Greinke is apparently the 3rd best pitcher in AL? I would even start cheering against the Rays instead of for them if it wasn’t for the goddamn division they’re in. Seriously, no one else to cheer for.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

you're in luck my friend

Guess who we play next. The Rays. This Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And Greinke pitches Friday. I hope we beat the shit out of them.

by eXCell1st on Jul 15, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

I dont’ feel at all confident about that idea. Even with Xaq pitching, our offense is so feeble that I just don’t see even 1 win on that horizon. Although, perfect time for him to pitch a no-no to shove it in Madden’s face and break his painfully hip glasses.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Greinke hasn’t been that great lately. Look at his monthly splits. His ERA has been around 4 since the beginning of June.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=greinza01&year=2009&t=p#month

Plus, since the Rays play Greinke Friday, I think Maddon wanted to avoid any appearance of impropriety in extending Greinke to a 2nd inning. But that’s the only reason I can come up with for pulling Greinke and batting Carl Crawford. He did end up being the MVP though.

by AxDxMx on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

it does make sense when you consider

that a win or loss may very well affect his team…halladay has been pitching better. I dont blame this on maddon…i blame this on selig’s dumb ass.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 15, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I mean

Why throw Greinke when the game matters? He hasn’t been Cy Young caliber lately. Now part of the reason he may not have been as good is because the games haven’t mattered lately, so likely, Maddon made a mistake, but hey, they won the game.

by AxDxMx on Jul 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor how

his “career” is. I thought it was supposed to be best players THIS YEAR. It also shouldn’t be a popularity contest of fans either.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Halladay gave up 5 runs at Yankee Stadium in his last start

And to begin June he threw a 7 hit, complete game, 14 K performance, where they bunched the 7 hits together and scored 4 runs. I’m not going to sit here and argue that Halladay was the better choice when I wanted Greinke to start. I’m just saying it’s pretty ridiculous to say:

I’m seriously thinking of writing to Maddon What a douchebag. I love it that Halliday got raked. How is it that Maddon is such a stupid fuck that Greinke is apparently the 3rd best pitcher in AL? I would even start cheering against the Rays instead of for them if it wasn’t for the goddamn division they’re in. Seriously, no one else to cheer for.

by AxDxMx on Jul 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So be it, call me ridiculous.

I still think it wasn’t a performance based decision really. It was just another snub to KC Royals.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going off the argument that the most recent results should be weighted heavier

then we should take in to account Halladay’s last 4 games compared to Greinke’s last 4 games.

Halladay: 2 losses, 2 no decisions, ERA went from 2.52 to 2.85

Greinke: 2 wins, 2 no decisions, ERA went from 1.96 to 2.12

So now tell me who has been better recently? My point is, it all depends on where you make the cutoff mark.

by eXCell1st on Jul 15, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well it's not as far apart as you seem to think it is

I’m just trying to make the point that Halladay is a defensible selection

by AxDxMx on Jul 15, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

At no point in time this season

has a single AL pitcher’s ERA been better than Greinke’s. Wins are great and all, but they’re highly subjective based on run support.

by eXCell1st on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Hopped around scanning different teams' ASG threads

and almost every team’s fans gushed over Greinke and fantasized ways to pry him away from clueless Dayton.

by swing and a miss on Jul 15, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

What the fuck ESPN?

Talking about American League pitching winning this game for the AL tonight and the fuckers didn’t EVEN SHOW OR MENTION GREINKE! Halladay worked hard and then Buerhle set it up for Papelbon, Nathan, and Rivera.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129

by Warden11 on Jul 15, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

ok- edit.

They did a brief mention a few minutes later.

Still dumb. This is why I don’t watch Baseball Tonight.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129

by Warden11 on Jul 15, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice to see

Greinke starting and announced with the rest of the starters. As it is, it was nice to see him go out and dominate for an inning.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 15, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm okay with Hallday starting

I think past track record should be considered, otherwise you end up with flash in the pans like Jack Armstrong starting the All-Star Game.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

JOSE GUILLEN WAS ON FIRE LAST JUNE HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED IN RIGHT

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

???????

The Boston Herald reports the Boston Red Sox could release SS Julio Lugo when SS Jed Lowrie (wrist) returns Saturday, July 18.

That's the worst lookin' hat I've ever seen...

by royalblue69 on Jul 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Not only did Hallady start, but he got to hit!

Greinke would have been able to get an all-star HR!

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on Jul 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

that is the unkindest cut

especially after Zaq said that most of all he wanted to bat

by benfunke on Jul 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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