The Differences between The Minors, Japan, and the Majors

In 2008, Trey Hillman was brought to Kansas City for his first taste of the major leagues. He had no playing experience in the majors. He had no coaching experience in the majors. His managing experience came in Oneonta, Greensboro (NC), Woodbridge (VA), Tampa, Norwich, Columbus, and Sapporo. This record would be fine for a coach, but not for a manager. Not having ANY experience with major league players, on a team with the average age of 28, is the recipe for big time trouble. The first sign of trouble was the dressing down of players during Spring Training.
The first big difference between Japan and the Majors is that you can treat minor leaguers and NPB players like crap without a problem. Minor league baseball players are not known for their high leverage against managers. Besides, playing good will get you up a level and get you away from the jerk manager. As for the NPB, let's just say that the society in Japan is a lot more receptive to jerk leaders who push around their underlings and assign them all the blame.
You can see it in every Trey press conference after a loss. The guy does not accept blame. The guy heaps the blame on others for his own strategic mistakes. He puts the players in bad spots and blames them when they fail. That sort of crap might work in Japan, the land of bowing to others and apologizing for shortcomings, but it doesn't work in the major leagues. That sort of crap also doesn't work when you have no record of major league success. Being chewed out by Tony LaRussa and Trey Hillman are two different things. LaRussa knows what he is talking about when it comes to managing. Trey Hillman plainly doesn't.
But Trey gets more complex than that. He doesn't just treat players like crap when they fail. He doesn't just have massive communicatons issues. He also will not do much when a player screws up during a game or in the locker room. What did Trey do when Jose Guillen had a fit last year? What did Trey do when Jose Guillen forgot how many outs there were or David DeJesus lobbed a ball into the infield. In fact, it could be said that Trey Hillman is harsher on players for his mistakes than for their mistakes. Contrary to what Dayton Moore says, Trey Hillman is not accountable nor does he have tremendous leadership skills.
And it can be said that Trey had better communications with his players in Japan than in America. Which should say a lot about the shortcomings of Trey Hillman.
Strategically, Trey Hillman does not have what it takes to be a good manager at the major league level at this time. That will not change until the guy realizes how to manage a major league team. Managing a team in Japan is much easier as they will take the crap you give them. They will accept blame if you didn't pull off their idiotic orders. And if you screw up or mouth off, you will be gone. But the people who mouth off on this team are gong to be here for awhile. Miguel Olivo, who complained about playing time, isn't just here, he is playing game after game with no end in sight. Jose Guillen, who has multiple strikes on him from multiple stays, is stuck here until 2010.
As long as the Royals General Manager is a guy using 1980s tactics to win in a 21st century game, this team will not succeed. As long as the Royals Manager is a guy using outdated tactics and inconsistent logic, this team will not succeed. Dayton Moore might succeed without Trey Hillman. But Trey Hillman will not suceed without Dayton Moore nor will he succeed at all. Any manager so blockheaded to have Billy Butler bunt will not make it in the majors. Any manager so blockheaded to have Jamey Wright pitch in multiple clutch situations will not make it in the majors.
Lastly, the difference between the Minors, Japan, and the Majors for Trey Hillman is that this is the first level that he has ever faced criticism for his bizarre and idiotic decisions. In the minor leagues, nobody really gives a rats ass if the manager does a dumb bullpen move. People don't live and die with minor league teams. They show up with kids, eat overpriced food, and wonder if the first baseman will be a big prospect. In Japan, Trey Hillman was an absurdly huge celebrity. He appeared in television ads, he had a restaurant named after him, and he was the big dog. Sapporo never had baseball until the Ham Fighters won under Trey Hillman. As alluded to earlier, the people are not exactly big on challenging authority either. So if Trey Hillman made a bad move, he wouldn't get criticized by the fan base who beloved him. After all, it really is the players fault if he fails in the eyes of those fans.
But in Kansas City, Trey Hillman has experienced something that he has never dealt with so often in his career. Criticism. And he has replied to that criticism by trying to shut it out (though not reading newspapers or websites). He has tried to talk down to the critics ("I’m not going to bang my head against the wall defending things I do or do not do in trying to educate the masses about things that, quite frankly, I can’t educate."). But the fact of the matter is that Americans don't like being talked down to like we're stupid for criticizing a baseball manager. If Trey Hillman can defend what he does, he should do it. But this sort of crap is not going to go over well with Baseball fans.
Kansas City fans do not tolerate losing, and while it may take awhile, we will run losers and jerks out of town. Kansas City baseball fans are some of the smartest fans in baseball and the fact is that acting like we're petulant children does not work.
Trey Hillman, in the words of Harry Truman, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you can't take the criticism, then find a new line of work. If your decisions are right and make sense, you can present your case instead of doing the same old dance every night.
The next time we have a managerial opening, it would be nice to have someone with some success in some faucet of the Major league game. Someone who understands how to make major leaguers succeed while keeping some control over the lockerroom. But until then, we're stuck with Samurai Trey. Trying to constantly out square pegs in round holes, never taking the heat that he deserves, and never adopting a consistent philosophy.
Until the time we change course, we will continue the continuity that Dayton Moore speaks of. A Continuity of losing, frustration, and ineptitude.
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Yep
As long as DM is here, so is Trey. He’s saying so every time he’s asked about. If one’s falling, the other will be falling with him. And as long as they’re here, we might as well take it. This probably will be going on next year, and there’s a decent chance it’ll be going on the year after. And when we do replce them, there’s no guarentee they’ll be any better. So we might as well get used to it, cause it won’t be changing anytime too.
the funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it!
by ratherfantastic on Jul 19, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
"There's no guarentee they'll be any better"
As in whoever may replace the dynamic duo of Day and Trey
the funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it!
by ratherfantastic on Jul 19, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post.
He might be one of the most hated (well, maybe hate is a bit strong) men in the KC area.
But that’s just because we don’t know anything about baseball. Suck it up weenies.
yea
a threshold has been crossed in the last few weeks with Trey
I don’t think people are just going to let him do whatever and write it off because “well, its the royals”
ditto for GMDM
by Will McDonald on Jul 19, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Trey Hillman would be as smart as LaRussa
if he could write “Pujols” in the #3 slot everyday. Players make the manager, not the other way around.
by jbrocato on Jul 19, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LaRussa has always won
The guy wasn’t a hack until 2001. He had a ring before Pujols showed up.
LaRussa has credibility in telling people how to win games and play the right way. Hillman doesn’t. Hillman was a minor league manager until he came to KC
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
Larussa is overrated
He has worked for one organization flooded with young talent, and another one with a good GM. The one inning closer, and one clean inning for relievers, are Larussa ideas that have permeated and lessened the game. It is basically Tony Larussa’s influence on the game and deification that kept Soria in the Bullpen the last 3 days.
I am not defending Hillman. He seems like a spoiled, petulant child. But I could go on about Larussa, with other wrongheaded strategies that originated with him, and now are accepted as the “book.”
Is it safe?
but he could have Alberto Callaspo driving him home
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't throw up that strawman
Sure Hillman would win MORE with Pujols…anyone would. But the point (in terms of Hillman) isn’t if his team is good or bad, its if he is getting the max out of available talent…
To put it simply he isn’t. Blow three games in a row in the late innings and Soria doesn’t pitch. And obviously his issues are not just recent, and are not just involving the bullpen.
Not to toot my own horn or anything…hah ok maybe a little…but I was pissed when we traded relievers in the offseason to Florida and Boston. I said it was one of our strengths last season and that we were going to lose games because of it. And then I predicted 73 wins for the season. This was discarded by many on the site because it was believed that GMDM could “magically” put together bullpens because he had mystical powers, and had done so in the past. Well one kyle farnsworth signing and a couple of J. Wright blunders later Ram Ram and Nunez are sorely missed.
I’m assuming everyone has read the post that RR put up on the franchise, and how blind someone would have to be to really believe in them…but remember we must have been pretty blind around springtime, when against logic we assumed GMDM could put together a bullpen after losing 2 of his best pieces, just because he had done so in the past. We should have seen this coming.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
To clarify
Don’t think I’m an idiot and subscribe to the you can’t lose games late thing. You lose games because in a high leverage situation (whenever they occur) you throw Farns up to the mound, or TPJ bats.
If we were to lose Meche next season, and try to just patch fill it would be obviously a bad move. But somehow we tried to pull a similar situation but in the bullpen (lose top players, and fill with stopgaps) and everyone believed it would work.
We got lucky when we let Dotel and Riske leave, and Nunez and Ram filled the shoes so well. Just because we got lucky once, shouldn’t have made us assume to get lucky again. We keep two of the 4 and we’re a better team.
It used to be position players we inexcusably let walk out the door, but now its reversed. To be honest I can’t even think of a position player on the 2004 on Royals that I was upset about them leaving…am I missing someone? Can you imagine if the Royals in 1997 would have ponied up the cash we are now, even adjusted for those times? If we had just kept a decent payroll back when we actually had a few prospects?
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Trey looks more and more like a witness relocation program client every day

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
Put to your f'ng right hand and bring in Soria when he's needed!
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jul 20, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently, no one informed Trey that this is the Show-Me State
I can live with mistakes as long as he is willing to own up to them and look to get better. All of this blame-shifting and leaving press conferences if a critical question is asked is beyond acceptable. No manager is going to be perfect (few are even good), but you have to be accountable.
I thought the Show-Me State
came from the well-known old West fact that you could tell an ordinary guy from anywhere else to go do a job, and he’d do it. But if he was from Missouri, you’d have to show him how first.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
by Juancho on Jul 20, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A tired old Kansas joke
I always heard that it was because Missourians were stubborn and difficult to trick. They didn’t take things on word alone and asked to see them with their own eyes in order to prove their worth.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 20, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's sad but
Trey Hillman makes me nostalgic for Tony Muser. At least Muser was not a complete tool, like Hillman is.
you only say that because
Muser got to fuck up with 4 of the best young hitters to play in KC in the last 15 years
how we didn’t have a winning record at some point with Beltran, Damon, Dye, and Sweeney, is a slam on how bad the pitching was for this team
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
Beltran = HOF level player if he can come back and play another couple seasons
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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