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Game 94 Open Thread - Angels (54-38) at Royals (37-56)

Los Angeles Angels at Kansas City Royals, Jul 22, 2009 8:10 PM EDT



Your pitching matchup is Joe Saunders v. Brian Bannister. Could this be one of Banny's final starts as a Royal?

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Los Angeles Angels
@ Kansas City Royals

Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009, 8:10 PM EDT
Kauffman Stadium

Joe Saunders vs Brian Bannister

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Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 22, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

This better not be Bannys (bad nickname excluded) last start as a Royal

He’s a solid back of the order starter, that if the Royals had an semblance of an offense would give a team a W 50% of the time!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

my first chance to see the new short-stop!!!!

i’ll judge for my own eyes whether or not he can play, thank you very much!

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

but if you don't see anything great, it's probably because you don't understand the quirks

so don’t Freel to bad about it

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineups
LA Angels

   AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
C. Figgins 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
M. Izturis 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .302
B. Abreu rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .310
K. Morales 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .293
M. Napoli c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287
E. Aybar ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
G. Matthews Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
H. Kendrick dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
R. Willits lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .233
 Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


 Kansas City

   AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
W. Bloomquist cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
M. Teahen 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
J. Guillen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .245
A. Callaspo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .298
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .133
B. Pena c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
Y. Betancourt ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 22, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

in what universe is option A better than option B?

A:
1B: Teahen
RF: Hoagie
DH: Butler

B:
1B: Butler
RF: Teahen
DH: Hoagie

by stuckinstl12 on Jul 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot something

Option A:
1B: Teahen
RF: Hoagie
DH: Butler
Happy Jose

Option B:
1B: Butler
RF: Teahen
DH: Hoagie
Jose throwing stuff

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

With 2 Black

Eyes and cracked ribs.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I heard

Hillman pretty much say the other day that Guillen not being in the lineup is bad for the “team chemistry” i.e. Guillen would whine about it. But he has total control of the clubhouse, which, according to those who can’t be educated, is the only thing a manager has to be able to do well.

Yeah, it was a stupid screen name.

by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the anti-win universe?

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats the current L streak?

5?

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I demand a 19 game streak

And the it truly will be 2005 all over again.

I get all misty eyed thinking about it…

by kcbottom9th on Jul 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loss #13 will involve

blowing a 7 run lead in the 9th with Trey refusing to bring Soria out

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teahen in the clean up spot, get ready for timely Ks

Why not Callaspo? Why not switch Teahen with Butler?

Iron Man Olivo not starting? There goes his chance to catch Cal Ripken Jr.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The middle of the order is brilliant, but I don't have time to educate you

Well, maybe just this once: Teahen protects Butler and Hoagie protects Teahen. Stellar Treylogic at its best.

by chiefstatnut on Jul 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't be watching this garbage.

TiVo will be serving me Le Tour instead.

Good luck holding your dinners and/or drinks down guys.

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Carlos Delgado

any idea what the price would be for a 38 year Carlos Delgado in 2010?

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm.... teams are getting more sensible about things

and the market really sifted last season…

I think he’s probably around a 1.5 WAR player, which would imply something like 1/$7M, or 2/$12

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

we’ll give him 20M/3?

Delgado would be a good replacement for Jacobs, if he has his power. The only minus are some political things with him that would piss off the simpletons

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't sign a 38 year-old .5 WAR player at all

since my generic salary chart assumes a .5 WAR-a-ear decline (along with 10% salaryy inflation), and especially a 1B coming off of injury at that age. But For three seasons, a 1.5 WAR player gets about $15-16M.

I really like Carlos — underrated player in his younger seasons, smart, classy guy.

The market is getting a bit smarter. But the Royals (and any smart team) not only shouldn’t be paying the average market rate for wins (and certainly not above), they should be trying to find guys who are undervalued.

Like I said, teams are getting smarter. While the Royals traded a cost=controlled reliever for replacement-level DH Mike Jacobs and a $3.2M arb contract, other teams were signing Eric Hinske and Russell Branyan for less than Bloomquist money. So I don’t see there being a big market for Delgado.

Like I said, I like him, but he doesn’t make sense for the Royals at the moment.

Even if Gordon turns into Longoria next season and Butler into Morneau, the Royals probably wouldn’t ontend next year. Delgado’s better than Jacobs, almost certainly, but not enough that the Royals should be paying him to take playing time they should be trying out on Kila.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't

But you don’t run the Royals.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already a terrible day. Our thirteen year old parakeet died of old age. He was a much better ballplayer than most of these pathetic losers.

by Gus Zernial on Jul 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

That is really sad to hear (read)

But it looks as though the parakeet had a long and fullfilling life

I will have a drink in remembrance of your pet, family member.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man, it ain’t easy.

by Gus Zernial on Jul 22, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie Aikens!

but where’s UL Washington?

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

are we losing yet?

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Duncan to BOS for Lugo?

can’t wait for us to get Chris Duncan in 2 years

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Callaspo Continues His

Glacier speed crawl up the order. BPJ has escaped and is seeing daylight for the first time since the ASB. No worries, Bloomers is still anchoring the middle defense and safely ensconced in the 2 hole. All is well.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

oh thank god i can breathe now that Bloomy is 2nd

I got scared for a minute

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got scared for a minute

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news and bad news

Good news: I can watch this game on my phone. Very cool, absolutely.

Bad news: These are not the Royals I’m looking for.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot part of the 7th, didn't Bloomquist f up too?

I forget who made that error, I was at the party porch, finding out that the beer comes in plastic bottles

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm stoked about the impending loss

after the quality start by banny

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Banny Will

Just shit the bed tonight and make it easy.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems like he's due for one of those starts

although the Angles to feature a lot of slap hitters for his day and age: Figgins, Izturis, Kendrick, Arbar, Willits.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone know of a link where i can watch this game?

one of the few times it hurts to be a Royals fan in California

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course it is

You should be at the game—it’s just 2 time zones away.

Bud Selig would be the devil, but the devil hates him, too.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, Betancourt's intro video was hiliarious

they had all the effects, but they were zooming in and out on Betancourt’s picture.

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

funny right there

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody else is moving around

and Betancourt is just smiling

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll Join You

At 5:00.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Abreu having a quietly great comeback y ear

2.6 WAR… despite the power outage to start the season, he’s about 17 runs above average with a .380 wOBA and after last season’s disater in the field (-26), he’s about average this season.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

change of scenery, no doubt

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we're off!

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by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Soria probably unavailable tonight, possible fatigue; did a nice job last night though

by Gus Zernial on Jul 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

High stress inning.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fatigue=Torn Rotator Cuff

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good start

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

tidbit on the scoreboard last night

“John Buck is the first Royals catcher since Mike MacFarlane to have 3 triples in a season”

Time to think up more obscure positive tidbits for this team

oh yeah, the scoreboard also pointed out that Olivo started 16 of 18 games

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

THANK GOD HE GOT MITCH MAIER OFF THE TEAM

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Jose Guillen used to be able to hit”

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be really funny if they post in the stadium of fun fact about TPJ

seeing that he’s not there and all, kinda icing on the cake for his great Royals campaign

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Balk = awesome

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

fun to watch, fun to say...

not much wrong with a balk

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun obscure royals fact

Did you know that Bill Butler holds the record for the current roster in BBQ rib eating….?

He set it at BB Lawnside, 3 Full orders of babybacks!

(BLOW IT UP BILLY!!!)

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

DISCLAIMER

this was all made up

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brayan Pena is a fastball calling machine

He did this with Greinke in that start in pittsburgh

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby Abreu knows it's important for him to have a good series

since one good season by a mid-30s, defensively challenged OF can mean one last big score from the Royals

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunnno

mid 30s.. slow… he does steal bases… bad defense. Used to play int he NL East.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're forgetting he takes pitches

read — LAZY

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've gotta swing at Your Pitch (TM)

or, if that one’s not available, any of the others are okay, too.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just hoping

the fact he walked once in a while would render him incapable of Treyball.

by hunter s. royal on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

true enough

I do think that Abreu is a typical signig. Instead of getting him for cheap before he has a “bounceback” year, Dayton will wait untill the season after so he can overpay.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Angels get man on 2nd, no out

and fail to score… against the Royals… hmm

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Morales misread the memo

Got to pull that groundball just a little further into the hole.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

questionable advice of the day

from the mlb.com board

For how many years now has the NL lost the All Star game to the AL? It has become an inferior league. The pitchers never have to face a DH except during inter-league play which the AL mostly wins. Their hitters face these inferior pitchers (generally speaking) so their stats do not equal the same in the AL. When you bring in a hitter from the NL their batting average normally falls, as in Jacobs, altho’ there are a few exceptions like Callaspo. But as a general rule, I do NOT think a marginal team like the Royals should shop in the NL for talent, unless the player has exceptionally good stats.

This post is prompted by an article in the Kansas City Star about Ron Cruz who did well for Arizona before coming here. But in AZ he normally didn’t have to face a DH, or hitters as good as some of our better AL hitters. Plus when switching leagues, pitchers are not as familiar with AL hitters, so there is a period of adjustment. Same thing for the hitters. They are not familiar with AL pitchers, so they have a period of adjustment. One exception would be players who have both AL and NL experience.

The Royals can’t afford to wait for an acquired player to adjust. We need immediate help. It was likely a mistake to hire a NL guy for our GM as he doesn’t seem to realize that the NL is not a place to search for talent unless the player has really superior stats over there.

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Juan "Ron" Cruz

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm...
unless the player has really superior stats over there.

almost 13 k/9? that’s not superior?

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's only because Ron Cruz was striking out pitchers

and he didn’t have to face great hitters in the NL, like Abreu

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah... i forgot that

ron cruz probably faced like 6 pitchers per outing last year

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would having Teahen play 1B "showcase" him

“ooo boy… when I just though he played 3B and outfield, I wasn’t sure… but now that I know he can play first, I’m definitely trading for Mark Teahen.”

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We're not playing for next year, son

We’re still in this thing until David Glass tells us we’re not.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Napoli is the same age as Brayan Pena

obviously, the Angels are rushing him like crazy giving him all these starts

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

do we lose 100 this year?

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by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

97

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not

but that doesn’t mean they won’t give it their “best”

I mean, Jose GUillen is the everyday RF, ’nuff said

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone said he sucks

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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 22, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah everyone

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it bad that i'm paying more attention to the SF/ATL game than the Royals?

I consider it advanced scouting for DM…..Garrett Anderson’s putting up a fight vs. Lincecum.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand how offensive metrics are evaluated

Anyone can see that Garrett Anderson is one of the best hitter in the game.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one here has time to educate you

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you know the answer to that

the only guys inthe prg who use a computer are the two sabermetricians. And they share one.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Banny...

Im sure gonna miss him… He will nearly be a dominant player in the NL

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF? Kendrick is going by "Howard" now?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

When did Bannister's changeup get so good?

He throws it like, at fastball speed too. Where did he pick this up?

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by slayor on Jul 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure

not the same thing, but I thought Craig Brown or someone said that one difference this season is that he’s brought about the cutter that he used before he got to the Royals.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but this changeup seems to directly coincide with him getting good again this year

i guess it’s time to go take a look at the pitch f/x from last year and see what the deal is…

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by slayor on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be interesting if that is the case

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

they said he's been working on it for a couple years now.....just now

getting a good feel for it I guess. Took the approach from RamRam & the grip from Shields.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did he hang with Shields?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS

RamRam rules

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

because on pitch f/x it definitely looks like ramon’s, so that makes sense

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by slayor on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

does hit have a tendency to ramp up to 97 mph

and hit Yorvit Torrealbea in the head?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe his improved fbs make the changeup more deceptive

just throwing it out there as a possibility

I love that the Royals got him to stop using the cutter, he sucks, then he brings it back and is better than ever

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the Royals tell him to stop using the cutter?

The article I read about it didn’t mention that he was coached out of it.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I just assumed, perhaps unfairly

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to find out more. He did say that there was a concern about velocity, which is why he moved away from it.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think we will win on 80's night?

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The Zeros are playing at a Royals game?

remember the good ol days when they were playing Buzz events

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Clutch lead off double

surely he will score

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Freel pinch hitting for Jose Guillen

what the fuck?

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe Guillen got hurt

injuries are killing this team

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guillen was injured

talking about how much he sucks.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Trainer Jeff Stevenson is on the scene to help Jose........

he’s on his cell phone with somebody……………………..but it will be ok!!!!!!!!!

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jul 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll Have A

Compound fracture after our crack staff treats him.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUNT AWAY!

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Trey is a genius!!!

A GENIUS!!!

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, If Trey

Planned this it wouldn’t have happened.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad Yuni isn't up

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freel needs more pine tar.

He’s going to kill somebody flinging his bat in the stands. Good thing he doesn’t have more power.

by hunter s. royal on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf happened to Hoagy?

I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT

by RoyalPug on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunno. Could be he fell into the vortex of suck.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wants the younger guys to get some at bats

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose “Ouroboros” Guillen.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Groan...

and yet rec’d

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by RoyalPug on Jul 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freel sucks!

he culdn’t get a bunt down.. granted.. he worked the count 3-2, but that’s for losers

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

BERT DOMINATES!

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

surely that will be enough to win the game

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

true, but it alost has a ring

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

*almost

F%*&#)_ ’ing M key

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yet equally awesome...

and Rec’d

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe he leads the team in OPS+

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe because

(unlike what Ryan & Frank are whining about) he doesn’t have a sac bunt this year?

by hunter s. royal on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan waxing on about bunts

remember the time that Billy Butler bunted into a double play.. that was totally worth it!

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone see this

And it doesn’t even seem that high of a price… + 20 percent off

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Productive Out! Who

Are these guys?

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

it's the spirit fo the Angels

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

our outfield is now DDJ, Bloomquist and Freel

makes the outfields with Ruben Mateo and Abraham Nunez look great

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

considering Diaz's low walk rate and Braves ties

he’ll be back in KC soon

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

no point in having him while he's under team control

you gotta pay FA money for that kind of guy

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

NL Style

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure

glad

MITCH is in Omaha

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brayan over Buck?

buck must really be in the doghouse

-

by slayor on Jul 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

it's obviously his fault he got hurt

who else are you gong to blame?

the medical staff?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking the night off from watching

Burned out after actually watching the terrible 2 in action last night.

by TheSmokingPun on Jul 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

battle of the singles trains/productive outs tonight

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

granted

he’s 3 for 19 also

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but he has a .413 OPS in July!

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s a good looking 3 for 19.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

it really is all relative

isnt it?

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hand it over to Cruz

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hand it over to Cruz Lamey Wrong…

There fixed

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Esky got one strike that at bat?

"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde

by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Saunders has been pitching to him in the AL West for 4 seasons now

I’m guessing he knows what’s up

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

granted

he swung at everything except the balls

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a dominnt player

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I still can not believe

Gammons is a believer in OPS.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

that's why Miguel Olivo has to start 85% of the games

those steals are killing the Royals

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

How bads pena's arm looking? Like Buck Bad?

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by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

So i guess the LaRoche deal means no Teahen to Boston then

Its a shame i would have liked to see how good he would be on a good team. ESPN would love him.

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea tie game

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

whew

i couldnt handle winning

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by blue bandwagon on Jul 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

he sucks?

"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde

by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know its strange...

But looking at this lineup for the angels I’m beginning to realize something…

This is precisely what a lineup of 3-4 DDJ’s 3 Bloomquists and 2 Butlers would look like…no one is really that great…but no one drags the lineup down either.

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by RoyalPug on Jul 22, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

ok...maybe not bloomy...but you get the idea

4 2 win player, 3 0-1 win guys and the two sorta stars at 3-4 wins…no one spectacular, but no one horrific either

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by RoyalPug on Jul 22, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

'cept Kendrick's slumps are Bloomy's peaks

and he, Aybar, and Izturis are actually good defenders

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

with pure grit!

this posting with a mobile device thing is a smidge cumbersome.

btw, posting from rotterdam, ny near our hall of fame visit today

by sterlingice on Jul 22, 2009 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone read Rany's article

on why the Royals should promote Disco?

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

not yet

is it, perchance, because the bullpen sucks?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically...

that and because Disco doesn’t suck… He also says Rosa should be given a look too

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, that's another move that would make a ton of sense.

Yet, Trey was quoted in the paper earlier this week that the bullpen is fine and they don’t need to worry about making any changes with it.

“Just not getting any breaks, not making the right pitches”

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 22, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well thank god they have figured out the problem

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

"not avoiding the other teams bats"

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

“letting them square it up too much”

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the old reliable for Trey

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Jennie Finch would do better in our bullpen...

than the “Nancies” we’ve got

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times...

do we see a no power second baseman hit a HR and in the next inning close it out with a toss to first

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

back later, hopefully, guys

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Christmas in July

no word on if these guys will be there like they were last year

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Aybar kills

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Strikem out throwem out

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

No way

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

wait a minute

I thought only Miggy could throw out baserunners

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Brick by Brick...

Stone by Stone… I fucking hate that commercial

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

they cut that ad off after 2 seconds here

well, most of the time

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by BHWick on Jul 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id rather not

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

the most feared 5th hitter in all of baseball...

Freel

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I just tuned in

I’m glad Ryan explained why he was batting #5. I would have gone nuts trying to understand why he was there.

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Man... I dont think Gordon is ever going to be "good"

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

give him a break - he has been out for a couple of months

if he still sucks in a few weeks – have at him

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think that really has anything to do with it

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

I don’t know why he’s out there…

i read somewhere that they said he’s like 80%…

so why don’t we just give him more time to rehab?

by Freneau on Jul 22, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its against Nebraska law for him to play in Omaha

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly - somewhere far away from Dr. Schwartz

wait, there is a knock at the door…..no, don’t throw my laptop out the window….I promise to be good and not say bad things about the Royals….. ohhhhhhhh nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

THATS IT!

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that never gets old

Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?

by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Jul 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really don't understand it.

Teahen is fine covering 3rd for another month.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, just had an odd thought.

Any chance the Royals are actually thinking about dealing Billy and seeing how it goes with Teahen at first?

Or are they just showcasing Teahen’s versatility?

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Dont say such things

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? They already have Betancourt.

by 2X2L on Jul 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's possible...

but we already have betancourt. not sure who else we would trade him for, but the possibilities are probably frightening.

by stuckinstl12 on Jul 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

Frenchy seems to have it figured out since his move.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta agree with the Teahens.

M is the greatest letter ever

SHOMER SHABBOS!

by ratherfantastic on Jul 22, 2009 9:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Banny is pretty good.

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by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I Think Trey

taught hi the shuto.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teahen Plays 1B

Therefore be bats clenup; end of discussion.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Rock Solid logic...

wise old sage

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Know How

To play the game.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

could you educate us...

since Trey doesn’t have time

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If You're Under

50 you’d never grasp it.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can bowl over 50 does that count?

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its obvious

BPJ goes yard here

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

fail

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Front Or Back?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

define "yard"

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

infield?

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can just tell Esky's gunna do something special here.

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by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

and then that happened

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by averagegatsby on Jul 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

its what i do, its what i do

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by cfizzle on Jul 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It Was An

0-2 strike; he had to swing.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 22, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take that 4 for 20

Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.

by Gantz9 on Jul 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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