Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Lance Berkman Could Have Torn ACL

Lets Make a Deal- Trade Values


With the trade deadline only a little over a week away and other teams in Major League Baseball looking to compete for the postseason, I used Sky Kalkman's awesome Trade Value Calculator to look at some of the names we keep hearing.  The Royals are not winning this year and next year isn't looking too promising.  So, trading away guys that have value is a great way to address two major problems/excuses we hear for this franchise.

  1. Trade MLB players who might not be around by the time the Royals are productive to acquire young baseball talent.  Young baseball talent means CHEAP.  Payroll problem is somewhat addressed.
  2. The minors are empty.  Especially the higher levels, trading away MLB players for a couple of prospects is a great way to restock the minor leagues.

Star-divide

All of the information below is from Fangraphs, Sky Kalkman's amazing trade value tool, Baseball Projection, and salary information from Cot's.  A quick disclaimer, I had to estimate some of the future WAR values.  I couldn't find any projections out there other than for pitchers, I used BaseballProjection for Soria and as a base for Bannister.  However, I kept the WAR values similar to the last couple of years for most of these guys. 

Joakim Soria-  Positive $14 million in value.         
               
Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $0.5        1.1       $5.2       $4.7
2010    $3           1.7       $8.1       $5.1
2011    $4            2.1      $9.9       $5.9
2012    $6           1.6       $7.6       $1.6
2013    $8           1.4       $6.7      -$1.3
2014    $8.8        1.5      $7.2      -$1.6                          
Total    $30.3      9.4      $44.5    $14.3

Brian Bannister-   Positive $22.5 million value         
Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $1.7         3        $13.7       $12
2010    $3.8         2        $9.4         $5.6
2011    $5.1       1.8       $8.5         $3.4
2012    $5.7       1.5       $7.2         $1.4
Total    $16.3      8.3      $38.8      $22.5

David DeJesus- Positive $16 million value    
 Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $3.6         2.5        $11.5       $7.9
2010    $4.7         2           $9.4         $4.7
2011    $6            2           $9.4         $3.4               
Total    $14.3       6.5        $30.3       $16

Mark Teahen- Positive $9.7 million value

Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $3.8           2        $9.2       $5.5
2010    $4.3         1.5       $7.2       $2.9
2011    $5.7         1.5       $7.2        $1.4              
Total    $13.8        5         $23.5      $9.7

Billy Butler - Positive $28.4 million value                              
Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $0.4        1.5       $7            $6.6
2010    $0.4        1.8       $8.5         $8.1
2011    $3.8         2         $9.4         $5.6
2012    $5.6         2         $9.4         $3.8
2013    $7.5         2        $9.4          $1.9  
Total    $17.7      9.3     $46.2       $28.4

And for shits and giggles:

Zack Greinke - Positive $94.4 million in value!              
               
Year    Sal (M)    WAR    Val (M)    Net (M)
2009    $3.8        10      $45.2       $41.5
2010    $7.3          6      $27.4       $20.2
2011    $13.5        6      $27.4       $13.9
2012    $13.5        6      $27.4       $13.9 
Total    $38         28      $132.4     $94.4

Ok, if I did everything correctly in the spreadsheet this should be somewhat accurate.  To get an idea for the return on this kind of value for players, read Erik from Beyond the Box Score explaining it here. And a quick explanation from that post:

  • Divide prospects into different tiers using Baseball America's prospect rankings.
  • Find what the average player in a talent pool produces during their cost-controlled years.
  • Find how much money a team would need to spend to acquire the prospect's production on the free-agent market. For this, Victor applied Studes' work on WSAB and its direct relationship to a player's salary.
  • Find the savings.
  • For those outside of the Baseball America's 100, Victor applied the same process to prospects graded with B's and C's by John Sickels, only with C prospects he further divided them by age. The grades would be seen in any of his top 20 rankings for a given farm system.

Quick thoughts:  The Royals obviously can't trade away all of these guys, but this is the way to get multiple pieces back for a few.  However, the flip side is that these are also the players and contracts the Royals need in order to compete.  If I thought the Royals were a couple of players away, I wouldn't want any of these guys traded (sadly, I don't have high hopes for next year).  These are the contracts that allow small market teams to compete.  Not the $36 million contract for Jose or the $9 million contract for Farnsworth.

Spreadsheet Here

Comment 7 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Great stuff, Warden

Sorry I was spending time with my wife…

Here’s some future trade values I got using baseballprojections.com’s preseason offensivep rojections and my own eyeballing of defensive stats and aging curves. I’ve changed the WAR valuees to reflect the AL’s superiority at the moment (which reflect the current projections.)

Remember, these are unlikey to be that accurate or reliable. I’ll just do some hitters.

Butler (assumed to be terrible on defense)

2010 2.3
2011 2.5
2012 2.8
2013 2.7
2014 2.5

DDJ (the decline is beginning)

2010 2.6
2011 2.5
2012 2.2
2013 1.9
2014 1.8

Teahen

2010 2.5
2011 2.2
2012 2.0
2013 1.8
2014 1.9

Maybe I’ll do more… I supposed to be on a hiatus from blogging, but if I keep doing long comments like this, what’s the poitn?

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.

by Matt Klaassen on Jul 23, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post, thanks for crunching the number, this is really neat to see

Though after Banny’s regression to AWESOMENESS!!!!, I really hate to see him used as a trade chip, but worse things have happened I suppose.

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah I think it would be a good idea to trade him right now

But do we trust to get a good prospect in return with Moron wheeling and dealing?

by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't the Royals buy every season

it seems like that

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a few games out of contention.

Always missing one or two pieces.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

just always, but the royals would have done a lot better if they didnt trade Rameriz and the other guy

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Kansas City Royals.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Funny-tattoos-hey-look-they-found-a-royals-fan_small
Mitch On the Bench
Royalsretro_small
Happy Mother's Day From Royals Review
952_small
Black.
Life_or_fiction_touchup_small
"The Royals Lose" Article Template

Recent FanPosts

1481395546_m_small
Why is our lineup so flawed?
Small
Fortune favors the bold
Sexy-beast-original_small
OT Friday: The first rule of Fight Club is NO FIGHTING
387504_small
Get to know a stop-gap starter - Vol. 2: Luis Mendoza
Small
Country Breakfast
Small
Who should be traded?
Small
sadly it's time
Dignan_small
OT: Zack Greinke career statistics up to today--upon which we shall ruminate and discuss
Knute_small
Chip Ambres Video Bleg

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Managers

Cimg0036_small Freneau

Editors

Dayton_small Jeff Zimmerman

Authors

Royalsretro_small RoyalsRetro

Headshot_small Old Man Duggan