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Rickey Henderson's "I'm the Greatest of All Time" Speech Has Been Grossly Misremembered & Misrepresented


Every five seconds this weekend, you've heard someone make a crack about Rickey Henderson's infamous "greatest of all time" speech, given after he set the all time steals mark. In actuality, Rickey's speech was gracious, more personal than most and far from everyone's apparent nightmare vision of an African-American screaming "I'm the greatest of all time" and storming off. Hell, he freaking told Billy Martin he loved him.

Here's what he actually said, per wikipedia and his book Confessions of a Thief:

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It took a long time, huh? [Pause for cheers] First of all, I would like to thank God for giving me the opportunity. I want to thank the Haas family, the Oakland organization, the city of Oakland, and all you beautiful fans for supporting me. [Pause for cheers] Most of all, I'd like to thank my mom, my friends, and loved ones for their support. I want to give my appreciation to Tom Trebelhorn and the late Billy Martin. Billy Martin was a great manager. He was a great friend to me. I love you, Billy. I wish you were here. [Pause for cheers] Lou Brock was the symbol of great base stealing. But today, I'm the greatest of all time. Thank you.

 

The gap between what he actually said -- he even thanked Tom Trebelhorn fo goodness sakes -- and what people think he said is really embarrassingly large. This afternoon, I was for some reason briefly watching the Nationals on MASN, and Bob Carpenter and Rob Dibble spent about five minutes on the speech. At one point, Carpenter said that two of the most famous speeches in baseball history being with "today". Carpenter went on to compare Rickey's speech unfavorably to Lou Gehrig's. (Interestingly, according to letters only recently made public, Gehrig was convinced he was going to recover from ALS deep into his illness, in part because of a campaign waged by his doctor and wife in secret to not tell him the truth about his condition.) Carpenter's characterization of the speech again reinforced the notion that Rickey grabbed the microphone, said a variation of "Today I am the greatest of all time" and lifted his arms to the sky.

How did we get to the point where the last five seconds -- minus the "thank you" of course -- became all people think the speech was? Did someone at Sportscenter back in 1991 just clip that mini-soundbyte back in the day, and somehow that's all that got replayed?

It's odd how things gain currency and get passed on as what happened. You'd think the internet era, where the facts, the video, the photo are just a google search away, would help play a part in not letting TV clips edited for commercial purposes be the beginning and the end of our memories. Who knows?

We can handle the Jon Olerud urban legend another day, but needless to say... just because you hear something from Bob Costas, it doesn't mean it's true.

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not surprisingly

Jon Heyman was all over that story and did much to perpetuate it

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by royalsreview on Jul 26, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want that story to be true, badly

What a great story. Ricky was pretty funny about it on MLB Network earlier this spring.

I like Ricky.

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by kabrink on Jul 26, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Acutally, if the John Olerud thing turns out to be false, then I'll enjoy Rickey a little less

I’d rather read about the utter irony of Jim Rice, one of the most overrated players of all, time, a guy who couldn’t hold Buddy Bell’s as a player, going in on the same day as Rickey Henderson.

If I may way obnoxoius: Bill James says he once asked if he thought Rickey Henderon was a Hall-of-Famer. He replied that you could cut Henderson in half and have two Hall-of-Famers.

But if Jim Rice is “really” a Hall-of-Famer, then you could could Rickey in three.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Buddy Bell's jock"

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved henderson as a villan on those old A's teams...

can still remember watching him in that series against toronto, when he had like a .800 OBP (or so it seemed)

my dad and i hated him because he was so flamboyant, but also kinda loved it

i guess that doesn’t make sense…

by royalsreview on Jul 26, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, it makes total sense

The same way some wrestling “heels” go over so big.

Why do people think Ric Flair got cheered all over the South despite doing everything short of stealing old ladies purses?

Ric Flair and Rickey Henderson… very good analogues (sp?).

Seriously, am I a bad person for wishing the Olerud story was true?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah... That would be funny

Rickey is a throwback to old school baseball. He was the last of his kind. As was George Brett, Nolan Ryan, etc.

by AxDxMx on Jul 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell you could cut

Bert Blyleven in half and I would take him over Rice-and apparently Bert will never get in.

Is it safe?

by KHAZAD on Jul 27, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always thought the same for Rickey's speech

people just can’t separate his persona from that quote, so they like to use it as a symbol of what everyone believes him to be.

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by mazoboom on Jul 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea...

obviously dude was cocky/flashy/whatever

and somehow the speech became the symbol of all that

by royalsreview on Jul 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just read Wikipedia

funny how the “greatest of all time” thing was taken from Muhammad Ali, now one of the most revered atheletes of all-time.

Compare Rickey’s treatment of his teammates and opponents of Ali’s “respectful” treatment of Joe Frazier.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ali is a really interesting case

and frankly one I don’t know much about… all before my time

when did he enter into grand old man-guaranteed standing O any time in public phase?

by royalsreview on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont' know much about Ali, either

but the stuff he apparently said about him in public… I’m not much of a boxing fan

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much about the time

his Parkinson’s advanced to the point he couldn’t speak coherently anymore. Once he could just be pushed out in his wheelchair and wave for almost any occasion, then he became safe and popular.

by hunter s. royal on Jul 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Olerud

also a better player than Jim Rice…

Now, cut Rickey in half, you’ve got two John Oleruds

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in a way...

I’m glad the Rice thing is over

i was against his enshrinement, but i was also tired of hearing “how can Jim Rice not be in the Hall of Fame” once a week year after year

by royalsreview on Jul 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true enough

and I don’t think the “well, if [undeserving player x] gets in, then [better, but still undeserving player y] should get in!”

Still, Bobby Grich and Darrell Evans have to be pissed. You know, because they pay careful attention to Rally’s WAR rankings.

I wish I could remember which one it was, but I remember a fairly recent Simmons podcast where he said that while for years he had thought Rice should be in, that recently he’d looked at the numbers and had changed his mind (although he was still glad he was going in [as a Boston fan].

While WAR totals themselves aren’t enough (you have to look at peak value, etc.), here are some Position Players with higher career WARs than Jim Rice’s 41.5

Jose Canseco 42.0
Johnny damon 42.2
Nomar 42.6
Darryl Strawberry 42.9
Mike Cameron 43.0
Thurman Munson 43.3
Carlos Delgado 43.5
Matt Williams 43.8
Roy White 44.5 (James has been all over White > Rice for years)
Kirby Puckett 45.0 (great peak, but probably more overrated than Rice. At least he was a great guy…)
Luis Gonzalez 46.4
Brian Giles 46.6

Some wonderful players on that list,b ut none of them are (currently) Hall-worthy, in my book.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damon's WAR

and yet he’s still similar to Amos Otis and Cesar Cedeno in the eyes of BBRef

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

granted

Puckett also retired at 35 and ran up 3.75 WAR per season

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we also missed his decline phase

that he was clearly in

if you take his 10 best seasons and peak, he’s basically Bernie Williams — Kirby had a slightly better peak, but WIliams had more “great” (i.e., 5+ WAR seasons). Guys like Grich and Evans had both high career WARs, and more impressive peak season (Grich should definitely be in). Dwight Evans had almost as good apeak, and more good seasons. Don Mattingly is almost the same, and had a longer peak. Buddy Bell’s best ten seasons total as better than anyone else I’ve listed… and fro 1979-1984 or so, he wsa truly great.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind

Puckett gets the famous “his career ended early for abnormal reasons” pass. The HOF loves this sort of thing, even basically cheating their own rules to make Ross Youngs eligible back in the day.

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by jonfmorse on Jul 26, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Kirby was a real family man

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by devil_fingers on Jul 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do wonder if overlooked players like Bobby Grich or Darrell Evans

Consider themsleves HOF worthy.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 26, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Canseco considers himself HOF worthy

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was Bonds’ accumulated WAR through 1998? Or where would I look that up?

by 2X2L on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

www.baseballprojection.com

Seems like I already did this… It was about 100… So if he’d retired right then, he’s “only” be about #20 among positions players, instead of #2 (by less than one win)

For perspective, Rally/CHONE (the baseballprojection guy) has George Brett at 84.9

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random HOF feat trivia: 14 pitchers have 200 wins at 30 or after

9 are in the Hall of Fame, 2 are still active, 2 are recently retired, 1 is not in the hall of fame.

Name some of those

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy

Wild ass guesses:

Nine HOFers:
Dizzy Dean
Warren Spahn
Lefty Grove
Nolan Ryan
Gaylord Perry
Don Sutton
Cy Young
Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson

Two active:
Jamie Moyer
Randy Johnson

Two recent retirees:
David Wells
Greg Maddux

One non-HOFer:
Tommy John?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

you’re 8 for 13. You got both active guys, 1 recent retiree, and 5 of 9 HOFers

keeping in mind that the question was accumulating 200 wins after 30, and I think Dean was toast at 33

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the misses on HOFers

Dean, Sutton, Johnson, Mathewson

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

8 for 14

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

one of the recently retired players to have 200 wins after 30 should be a bit obvious. This player might not make the hall either due to issues.

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by BHWick on Jul 27, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

truth

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 26, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on how you look at it

there’s actually a pretty good argument to be made for Willie Wilson

Of course, Rickey was Stan Musial compared to Willie

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

personality-wise, I mean

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by devil_fingers on Jul 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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