Reviewing Dayton Moore at the Trade Deadline: 2006
As we approach this year's trade deadline, it's useful to look back at Dayton Moore's deadline track record. In the first of three posts, we look at Dayton's first trade deadline: 2006.
The Royals hired Dayton Moore during the 2006 season. Moore was hired on May 30th and officially took over on June 8th, shortly after the 2006 Draft. (Which remains another story.) Moore was extremely active during his first few months as the Royals GM. After a week as the head man, Moore had parted ways with three minor leaguers, including Kyle Snyder, and signed Todd Wellemeyer, Brandon Duckworth and Donovan Osbourne. None of these guys did very much for the Royals, but they are emblematic of Moore's first eighteen months on the job. If you ever thought about pitching, the Royals took a flyer on you.
On June 20, 2006, Moore made his first major move, sending J.P. Howell to Tampa for Joey Gathright and Fernando Cortez. Seen from the beginning as a signature move, Moore parted ways with the college pitcher with seemingly limited upside for the tantalizing speed and defense of Joey Gathright. Like many of Moore's subsequent moves, there was a certain bravado to it: I'm not just going for speed, I'm bringing in the fastest guy in baseball, despite no evidence he can hit, or actually play center well, deal with it.
The Gathright trade has been discussed quite a bit over the years, and there isn't much more to be said. Gathright had his moments in Kansas City, and in theory was not a bad guy to take a look at. Howell however, has been better than 90% of the relievers the Royals have employed since his departure, and has recently blossomed into one of the better relievers in the American League. Fernando Cortez spent parts of two seasons in the Royals' system, and randomly had 16 PAs with the 2007 Royals. In the long run, the Gathright trade was a signature move, just not the type of signature Moore wanted.
The Gathright trade was not technically a "deadline deal" but beyond its date, there's not much to separate it from the other moves Dayton made that year. Let's take a look at the other trades Dayton made that July:
July 19, 2006: Traded Ruben Gotay to the Mets for Jeff Keppinger. A weird challenge trade if there ever was one. Gotay has some vague semblance of potential in 2006, while Keppinger was seen as a guy with a decent infield bat, but not a solid defensive reputation. Keppinger hit .267/.323/.400 in 67 PAs for the 2006 Royals, playing mostly at third base. Keppy should have been a sign of Dayton's love for scrappy white guys who play the game the right way. Keppinger was traded in Jaunary to the Reds for Russ Haltiwanger, who left the system last season. Keppinger, of course, immediately had a career season with the Reds in 2007. Gotay, of course, did little in New York and is currently in the Arizona system. Yours truly thought the Keppinger trade was fairly pointless back in 2006, but he likely would have been a better option at short in 2007-8 than Tony Pena Jr. turned out to be.
July 24, 2006: Traded Mike MacDougal to the White Sox for Daniel Cortes and Tyler Lumsden: This was a big trade back in 2006. MacDougal was a longtime Royal by the standards of the day, was one of the heroes of 2003 and was something of a fan favorite. While generally unreliable in both the long and short term, had his uses as a reliever. MacDougal was quickly signed to a three-year deal with the White Sox, yet never really pitched well there. Dayton's haul of Dan Cortes and Tyler Lumsden was viewed from the onset as a great trade, and through 2008 Cortes was highly regarded as a pitching prospect. Considering that both Cortes and Lumsden are both gone now, having never contributed at the Major League level (Lumsden stayed in the KC system until last November, when he was claimed by the Astros) it remains mostly a good trade in only in an alternative universe. Of course, according to the party line, Cortes was used to acquire a great everyday shortstop with lots of upside. So another victory.
July 25, 2006: Elmer Dessens traded to Dodgers for Blake Johnson, Julio Pimentel and Odalis Perez. This was an interesting trade. The Royals shipped out Elmer Dessens, who was having an ok season for the Royals as a middle reliever (4.50 ERA, generic peripheral stats) and, in exchange for taking on a portion of the Odalis Perez contract, came out with two pitching prospects. Odalis made 38 starts for the Royals, and while he was the subject of many jokes on this site and elsewhere, he was not totally terrible (84 ERA+). Plus, he gave rise to the former-Brave theory, which has been one of the few things keeping me alive during this decade. Blake Johnson is currently pitching at AA, and Pimentel (currently injured I believe) was at AA in 2008. Considering that both are still around and somewhat well-regarded, the Dessens deal may be Dayton's best trade.
July 25, 2006: Tony Graffanino traded to Milwaukee for Jorge de la Rosa. By the time this trade hit, we were starting to think we'd figured out Dayton Moore. Arms with upside. Jorge was not a former Brave, but he felt like one. A guy with a great arm, who'd seemingly been around as a prospect for decades. Graffanino had had a weird run with the Royals: signed to a 2 year 2.2 million deal for 04-05, Graffy was traded to Boston in 2005. After the '05 season, he signed a $2 million dollar deal with Boston, but ended up being DFAed. In March of 2006, the Royals claimed him off waivers from Boston. Then, Moore traded him. JDLR spent two seasons with the Royals and was nearly identical to Odalis Perez, posting an ERA+ of 83 in 36 games. I don't remember ever feeling like he was going to be a contributor or that he was turning it around. JDLR eventually ended up in Colorado, where he's still pitching. Graffanino meanwhile, retains historical importance as one of the early examples of the team's Gritty Scrappy White Middle Infielder Fetish: McEwing, Graffanino, Grudzielanek, Keppinger, etc.. Of course, St. Willie Bloomquist has been the apogee of this bizarre fixation.
July 31. 2006: Matt Stairs sent to Texas for Joselo Diaz: Would you believe that Diaz was a minor league pitcher? Dude ended up being completely horrible in extremely limited action with the Royals in 2006, and was hardly better in Omaha. Diaz left the system as a free agent after the 2006 season, and is currently with the Dodgers. The Stairs trade was more or less a salary dump, only that Stairs wasn't that expensive, given that he was making $1.4 million. Stairs has bounced around, but is still contributing at the Major League level, while the Royals will head into 2010 not sure who to play at DH.
July 31, 2006: Jeremy Affeldt and Denny Bautista sent to Colorado for Scott Dohman and Ryan Shealy: Another highly-praised trade at the time, the Affeldt-Shealy deal ended up working out much better for the Rockies than the Royals. Affeldt was a tantalizing but generally despised Royal by 2006, after three years of countless message board debates about how he should be used. And shockingly, he always had nagging injuries! He must have been a pansy. Shealy appeared for all the world to be a plug and play AAAA masher who could provide cheap offense at 1B/DH. Instead, after a passable 2006 debut with the Royals (102 OPS+) he was one of the worst players in the Major Leagues in 2007, and has been injury-plagued and unheard from since. Affeldt ended up giving the Rockies 86 innings of 105 ERA+ pitching over two seasons, and is currently with the Giants. Dohmann and Bautista did very little with their new teams, though Denny Bautista did make everyone confused for a few years, as he was one of like six guys out there named "Denny Bautista".
Overall Evaluation: In 2006, it looked pretty good. I count 12 players in, 8 players out. Dayton's five trades during deadline week were what every single Royals fan wanted. There was a general impression that Moore was clearing the roster of the detritus of the Baird regime and beginning the long rebuild of the franchise. Still, by 2008, only four of the new guys -- Gathright, Shealy, Pimentel, Johnson -- were still with the Royals, and Gathright and Shealy were almost certainly done as Major League contributors. Moore did dump some salary, but only the modest amounts which remained owed to Stairs, Graffy and Affeldt. We're talking about maybe 1.5 million here, not a large number. Other than the ill-fated Gathright, effectively, none of Moore's myriad moves produced a single Major League player for the Royals. Nothing.
Here's the damning thing: if you gathered up all the players involved in this flurry of 2006 and subjected them to a draft, here in 2009, the players the Royals sent packing in 2006 are still the best players. Of course, that's partially to be expected, given the example of a player like Matt Stairs. Nevertheless, none of the prospects Moore acquired has turned out to be a contributor in 2009, and only two, Johnson and Pimentel, have any real shot of doing so. In that fictional draft, right now you'd take Howell first, then, probably Affeldt, then Stairs. Someone might take MacDougal fourth, or maybe, maybe de la Rosa. (Actually, many GMs would probably take Cortes near the top of that list, but after the Betancourt, I can't give Dayton credit for him.)
Moore's deadline trades did not make the Royals better in 2006, or 2007, or 2008, or 2009. While he won the extremely minor Gotay-Keppinger trade and got nice value with the Dessens swap, none of Dayton's 2006 deadline deals really worked out for the Royals. He lost the Affeldt-Shealy trade and he lost the Howell-Gathright trade. The deals made involving MacDougal, Stairs, and Graffanino, ultimately did nothing for the franchise at all.
This deadline was really the beginning of Moore's reputation as a transactions hound, as someone who was actively scouring the low minor leagues for pitching talent, and as someone who would need to make approximately five million trades to fix the disaster that was the Royals.
Finally, one thing that stands out about these trades is how utterly inconsequential they all were. Most of the players involved, coming and going, left no real impact anywhere. That should remind us something about how most of these deadline deals end up. This is especially true when you're talking about the kind of C market players that the Royals shop, and shop for.
The Joselo Diazes come, the Joselo Diazes go. Only the Baseball Annies of the minor leagues remember much.
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None of the players gong had any impact?
Leaving aside Matt Stairs incredible 2007 that was better than any season any Dayton Moore-acquired positoin player ever has for the Royals (although Callaspo will likely break Stair’s magnificant 1.9 WAR [for less than $1M!] season for the Jays in 2007)…
According to Fangraphs, J. P. Howell delivered an equal WAR to Soria in 2008, and a greater WAR so far this season. That’s right, everyone saying “remember Soria” better be remembering Howell, too…
So, yeah, as is pretty well understood and said by everyone who’s shed their last apologetic instincts, even the one thing Dayton Moore allegedly does well — build a good, cheap bullpen, is at best an exaggeration, and at worst a myth given that he’s given away almost as many or more good relievers with as much more more value in the contracts (not just Howell, but Affedlt has been good, Ramirez, Nunez…) as he’s brought in…
If he gets credit for finding Soria, he needs to be equally ripped for misevaluating not just Howell, but Affeldt, who got pretty good almost he minute he left the Royals (okay, from 2007-).
Boy, that’s Dayton’s a great scout!
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, he had no huge impact for texas...
who shipped him off to Detroit that same season…
by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe i'm wrong
but wasn’t Soria one of the hot names going into that rule 5 draft? It wasn’t completely out of nowhere.
by wildthang on Jul 29, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was discovered by an allard scout who told dayton to stay away...
so that nobody else would find out about him….
however, in this awesome move…he still passed up josh hamilton….
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't really fault Dayton though for that, though
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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be misremembering
But I thought the big name was Pedro Strop. Soria was barely mentioned on a lot of internet lists I saw, mostly because no one knew anything about him because of his limited affiliated minor league track record.
That’s why scouting is important – obviously they knew something that wasn’t evident in the stats.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont ask me why
Soria’s WAR was 2.4 in 2007 and 1.5 in 2008
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by BHWick on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better FIP relative to run environment
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He leveraged against his supposed strength when he dealth for Coco and Jacobs and it completely backfired
I admit I didn’t think relievers were all that important. When you deal your two best middle relievers it can destroy your team if you have no replacements. Cruz has been a disaster and besides Farny’s inglorious start in April, he was pretty good and the bullpen has become a joke since he went down. Atleast he coudl get guys out in blowouts!
Don’t call it an exaggeration though. A myth? yeah, sounds better. He has been completely exposed. Is there anything he does well besides act condescending to the media and fans???
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 29, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
two days ago Kila walked 4 times.
Bring him the fuck up so we don’t have to see your waste of life of an acquistion named Mike Jacobs anymore!
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 29, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's really good at trading for fucking awful shortstops that nobody else wants...
and giving up actual assets for them
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
add as poor as he was last year, Peralta also would be an upgrade over most of the schlubs in the pen
he’s maybe only an average pitcher, though he had a pretty good run until last season.
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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not
JDLR has been actually pretty decent for Colorado. I know, its hard to fathom. I do remember at one point thinking he was going to be good for us. (Or was that Denny Bautista? Who can keep track of these things?)
by raefzilla on Jul 29, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JDLR Was Always
On the verge of being good. His stuff was MLB caliber, but his command stunk. Maybe he’s fixed that now.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 29, 2009 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I don’t blame DM too much for giving up on JDLR. He was pretty infuriating to watch.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
".... but scouts tell you what a guy's _gonna_ do!"
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDLR was a chance to hit a home run...
the royals gave him 30+ starts, but it just wasn’t there
by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game he started against CLE and Paul Byrd
The Royals scored 10 runs in the first and I still didn’t feel comfortable b/c JDLR was on the mound. Sure enough, they lost 15 to 13 in extras.
by BrRoyal on Jul 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
denny always seemed on the verge...
maybe it was because he was Pedro’s cousin
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDLR was traded for Ram Ram
Who was traded for Crisp. I thought that was a pretty good trading chain until Coco’s injury.
by Valcour on Jul 29, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldve been a better chain had it stopped after the first trade....
even without coco getting injured
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good?
He’s 8-1 since June 1st. He pitches in Colorado too so these numbers aren’t bullshit. He has a 2.43 ERA in July. He has 112 strikeouts in 111 innings pitched.
And
Wait for it
You’re going to love this Moore!!
He’s left-handed!!
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 29, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lumsden=Parraz
If Moore doesn’t get credit for Cortes because he shipped him out for Yuni, then he should get a little credit for Lumsden, because he turned him into one of the Rs top hitting prospects in the high minors.
by billexgordler on Jul 29, 2009 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Rs top hitting prospects in the high minors"
admittedly faint praise…
by billexgordler on Jul 29, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so....we traded a recent alll-star reliever for the rights to pay yuni $7 million....
and jordan parraz…..
….still not impressed
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please...
macdougal’s been worth exactly 0 WAR since he was traded.
anyway, all i’m saying is that if you debit DM’s account for trading cortes for yuni, you must also credit him for trading lumsden for parraz.
by billexgordler on Jul 29, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0 WAR for negative WAR and $7 mimllion
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in
dayton moore also kills puppies

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Killing puppies is part of the process. Trust the process.
I’m not going to bang my head against the wall defending things I do or do not do in trying to educate the masses about things that, quite frankly, I can’t educate.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong guy
i believe it was hillman that said that, but when we’ve all decided that DM hasn’t ever done anything right, and that he’s an affront to humanity, whatever…
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Criticizing his trades = saying he is an affront to humanity.
How bout refuting RoyalsReview’s analysis of these trades rather than using lazy strawmen? Did any of these trade make an impact in improving this ballclub? Ryan Shealy? Joey Gathright? Julio Pimentel? Are these the players that are making us better? How is Will wrong in his analysis? Or is just easier to make blanket statements like “you have all decided DM doesn’t do anything right!”
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not Will's analysis
which I happen to agree with, it’s the constant drumbeat that follows of not only pointing out the bad moves he’s made, but then painting every correct move that he’s made in the most negative possible light (such as not only finding soria, but also signing him long-term).
if the bourgeoisie is going to debit him for his bad moves, then let’s credit him for the good moves as well. then, at the end of the day, we can look at the ledger and determine where he stands. it’s really ok to objectively analyze him and give credit for his good moves, while at the same time coming to the conclusion that he’s not good enough to get the job done.
the herd mentality really bothers me sometimes. what’s intellectually lazy is saying the same thing that everybody else says in addition to “piling on” because it’s the easy thing to do. lots of bad things have happened in history because of that way of thinking.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure,. groupthink happens here as well as everywhere
I think you exaggerate the degree to which it happens around here — otherwise there wouldn’t be the endless arguments over Soria-to-the-rotation, Olivo-vs.-Buck, should-we-tender-Teahen in 2008-2009 (where are all the non-tender advocates now, by the way?), should we call up Mike Aviles, the Mike Jacobs trade (at the time, many people really liked it… ahem…), Crisp trade…
But yes, it happens.
I suppose, like Retro, I would like to see you say, in he context of the 2006 trade deadline, where group think prevails, and how RR succumbed to it.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not the 2006 trade deadline, really
i think at the end of the day that these trades ended up being fairly inconsequential. the old axiom about having to give something to get something usually ends up being true.
what i’m more getting at is that, because DM has made some bad moves (i will agree, too many to this point) then everything is automatically colored by that, including the good moves.
you can see from the posts above where people won’t give credit for soria, or other posts where no credit is given for re-signing greinke, or signing meche.
i also have a little bit of a problem with the assumption that DM “is what he is”, and that there is a nearly zero chance that he could improve upon his decision-making going forward. while not a certainty by any means, i believe that he (like most successful people) are always looking to learn from failure, even if they don’t feel like they are primarily to blame. the man is not an idiot, and what we hear and/or speculate about is probably a tiny fraction of the entire universe of what goes on with the royals.
i happen to hold out some optimism that DM will try some different things and maybe come at the problem from a different perspective, without abandoning the “process” overall. a schlub like me cans see that there could easily be a way for the team to free up about $10 million for this upcoming offseason, so I would be willing to bet that his front-office team has looked at this as well.
don’t forget, in addition to dayton they have added some well-respected people to their management team, like mike arbuckle and dean taylor.
we can sit here and speculate all we want, but really what we need to do is pay attention to what they do. up to this point, he has had a bad year. we’ll see what he does over the next several months. if he doesn’t make some changes in his approach, we’re going to get similar results and he’ll eventually be gone anyway.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inconsequential
“i think at the end of the day that these trades ended up being fairly inconsequential. the old axiom about having to give something to get something usually ends up being true.”
And what we need is a GM that doesn’t make inconsequential trades or else we will be stuck in the 100 loss hell we were in under Allard. And the fact is, what we gave up ended up being quite useful – Affeldt and Howell are among the best relievers in baseball right now. DM sold low, and got little.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm going to prove Tony's groupthink point
by echoing Retro here —
in 2008 and 2009, Howell has been as valuable or more than Soria. The guy Dayton acquired for Howell was non-tendered over the winter. Has Soria been inconsquential?
From in 2007 and 2008, Jeremy Affeldt was a good as Juan Cruz, and this season he’s been better. Ryan Shealy has been goof for three months, and terrible, hurt, or in the minors the rest of the time.
Anyway, that horse is fust at this point in this part of the thread.
I hope that Moore can learn from his mistakes, too and improve). J.P. Ricciardi seems to (although he had a lot less learning to do, given his background). I hope the interviews this season were merely defensive bravado, because they sure sounded like a guy with a bunker mentality. But he’s been an able spin doctor before, so we’ll see what he does.
But all the “win now” stuff that’s floating out and about the Royals doesn’t give me confidence that he has a good idea of where the major league team is now, and thus what he needs to do.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the concerns are certainly justified
i mean, we’ll have to see what he does.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the idea of value
I believe Soria is a better pitcher and, therefore, has more value. Howell was simply used more efficiently and maximized (relatively) his value. I don’t like the idea of de-valuing a player for manager incompetence.
by BrRoyal on Jul 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, okay
But soria’s value this season is also down because of his injury.
I’m not saying HOwell’s as talented a pitcher, but he’s closer than people think, and it’s not all the manager. He pitched a lot more innings than Soria last season. I’m not sure there’s many manager who would have let their “star closer” get to 90 IP.
The point being that Howell is a stud reliever, and the Royals master pitching scouts let him go for a guy the later non-tendered.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreover
Soria also gets a bit of a “value” boost because he has a high leverage rating, which reflects the manager, not his pitching.
Heck, assuming he could stand up to it (and his injuries this year do not necessarily prove otherwise), having Howell (not to mention Ramirez, Nunez, etc) around would also allow for less drop-off if Soria were to move to the rotation.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think shealy would be a better player than jacobs
actually, all the pieces are there for him to have a pretty good career. the problem is moore didn’t recognize he had both shealy and kila available when he made the jacobs trade.
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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder whose job it is to tell him who's in the organization?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sick and tired of trying to make up my own mind
I just wish the herd would tell me which way to go.
Fuck This Team. Period.
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by kabrink on Jul 29, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang A Louie
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One bright side about GMDM, check out what the Phillies would want from the Yankees:
Up to this point it’s believed that in order for the Yankees to obtain Halladay they would have to part with both Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes, as a condition of Ricciardi’s AL East “premium” package. But the Yankees have balked at the idea of including both young pitchers.
Steve Phillips this morning says you absolutely do that trade as the Yankees.
I wonder why he's on ESPN instead of in a front office.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Jul 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bright side being-
He’s not Steve Phillips.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Jul 29, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine...
this track record in a market other than KC. Good thing for Dayton that (1) KC is basically a very pleasant place, and (2) everybody wants the home town boy (more or less) to succeed. Otherwise, he would have been sent down the road talking to himself a while ago.
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by StonewallPDS on Jul 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean like
Omar Minaya in NY?
you’re absolutely right, those sophisticated big-city types aren’t standing for his poor performance over the past 5 years.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haltiwanger
for what it’s worth, he’s not in the Royals system anymore. He signed a minor league deal elsewhere this last offseason. After pretty much stinking most of the time here, so KC gave away Jeff Keppinger for nothing.
by royalspipeline on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that one
is one that really chaps my ass…he identifies keppinger (good) then gives him away (bad). I mean, that happens, but it’s irritating to think that maybe we don’t trade for callaspo and our defense isn’t so horrible. maybe we trade buckner for a cf instead, then we don’t have to trade ramram, which means we don’t sign farnsworth, which means we have enough $$$ to sign furcal, which means we don’t trade for betancourt…
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally
Keppinger was again available this spring for nothing, and we passed again because we had spent $3 mill on Willie Bloomquist.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks,
for twisting the knife a little bit more.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT THE ROYALS DON'T HAVE REPLACEMENT LEVEL PLAYERS AT OMAHA AND THUS HAVE TO OVERPAY!!!111
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice use of CAPS!
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by buddyball on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the update...
I thought he was still around for some reason
damn
by royalsreview on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any thoughts
on the pirates/mariners trade? fair value for both teams? it seems like the mariners overpaid considering that wilson is going to be a free agent. what’s snell’s contract situation?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Snell's got a great contract for the team
but yeah, it seems like the Mariners overpaid… Maybe they think they’re still in it, but even at Cedeno’s current rate of suck, I don’t see Wilson giving them even 2 more wins in rest of the season over him.
Jeff Clement’s a 1B now, I think. He looks like a left-handed version of Billy Butler at first glance at some stats. Don’t know if they still assume he’s a catcher. I think Butler’s probably a better hitter, but you get the idea.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snell is from Delaware
that should tell you all you need to know about how much he cares about baseball.
by wildthang on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a really good microbrew in Delaware that I can recommend
Dog Fish Head brewery. I brought back a case of their ale this summer.
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by buddyball on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday Seattle Times announced that the Mariners were "selling" because they've fallen 6 (SIX) or soemthing games out
Maybe they think they’re still in it
Of course, we all believe that the Ms hired really smart GM and staff so who knows what’s real and what’s fake and what they really intend to do.
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by kabrink on Jul 29, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the trade for Pittsburgh quite a bit
They had two guys they had to get rid of, and got a good hitting catcher who probably can’t catch, a great fielding shortstop who can’t hit, and a mess of low ceiling, but decent young pitchers. Not a bad haul considering that Wilson has a huge option for 2010, and Snell basically wants out of Pittsburgh and has a long-term contract.
I like it less for Seattle, but its not a terrible deal if they think they can make a serious run in 2010. Apparently they got some money to pick up Wilson’s 2010 option, and if they can turn Snell around – quite possible with a new atmosphere and a great defense – it turns into a good deal for them. But that’s counting on Wilson staying healthy and Snell moving from the NL to AL – both fairly risky propositions.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno sucks
BUT HE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER BETANCOURT OMG TRADE DUFFY FOR HIM
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by devil_fingers on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee to the Phils?
Has this been confirmed?
knock yourself out.
by theverbs on Jul 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I'm slow.
Refer to RRs post.
knock yourself out.
by theverbs on Jul 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds Acquire Wladimir Balentien
That's the worst lookin' hat I've ever seen...
by royalblue69 on Jul 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that should have been us
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by marbotty on Jul 30, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're Out Of
Fungible commodities to trade.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember liking all these trades except the MacDougal one.
I never understood what the fuss was about Lumsden. I guess I was right about that half of the trade. I did expect MacDougal to continue to be a good reliever. Turns out I was wrong about that side. So I guess it was just a lose-lose trade with the Royals coming out on top financially.
Shealy is having another great year at AAA and I still think he would be a plus to the MLB roster. Before the season I thought Shealy would have replaced Jacobs at first base by August. That might not happen, but I still think Shealy would be a better member of the 25-man roster than Jacobs at this point. Maybe Jacobs can be shipped just before the trade deadline as a salary dump? Fingers crossed.
I saw something very hopeful at MLBTR yesterday. Some teams apparently are showing interest in Bloomquist. Wow, unloading him would be a bit of unexpected good news.
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by James Quinn on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cannot see DM trading him
He is too important to winning ballgames now!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shealy would be about the same as Jacobs
just cheaper. They are both platoon 1B/DH types for bad teams — i.e., replacement level players. Shealy has better defense, Jacobs has a better bat.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
Jacobs has a better bat.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Jul 31, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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