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Reviewing Dayton Moore at the Deadline: 2007

Continuing our look back at Dayton Moore's performance at the trade deadline. For 2006, click here.

The 2007 Royals were the first Royals team since 2003 that did not lose at least 100 games, though at 69-93 they were hardly a factor in the AL Central. They reached the level of "not laughably bad", which is more or less where the Royals have stayed. In 2009, through 99 games, the Royals were 40-59. In 2007, they were 43-56. In a way, it should come as too much of a shock that this stagnation has occurred: after a very busy first year on the job, Dayton Moore has stopped aggressively shopping players. 

The 2007 trade deadline was the beginning of this new phase, a phase that apparently will continue through 2009. Although the 2007 deadline did produce one of the better trades of Dayton's tenure, his inability or reluctance to do more makes the 2007 deadline an incomplete success

July 13, 2007: Dan Christensen traded to Tigers for Roman Colon. Christensen was one of the many Baird Era guys who found new addresses in 2006-7. A pitcher drafted in the fourth round of the 2002 draft, Christensen is now in the Seattle system. Considering the long odds that Christensen will ever contribute at the Major League level, snagging Roman Colon -- yes, a former Brave -- was not a bad move. Colon is no great shakes, but after spending 2008 in Omaha, he's appeared in 22 games with the Royals this season. He has a live arm, but little control (11 walks in 24 IP) and is your standard issue mediocre to poor bullpen arm. Then again, the Colon trade was less a case of Dayton's great scouting abilities than a case of the Tigers needing to part way with Colon. The Tigers likely gave Colon away for so little because he had punched Jason Kamuth -- who was trying to break up a fight between Colon and another pitcher -- so severly that Kamuth needed plastic surgery on his face. Cool!

Star-divide

July 25, 2007: Royals release Scott Elarton. Hours after a horrible Elarton start against the Yankees that had me questioning the meaning of life, Dayton parts ways with one of Allard's worst signings. Elarton was signed to a two year, eight million dollar deal for 2006-7. He was terrible. Moore showed a willingness to move on... from somebody else's mistake.

July 31, 2007: Octavio Dotel traded to Atlanta for Kyle Davies: An early high point of the Moore regime. Dotel had signed a one year, $5 million dollar deal, with a number of appearance escalators, in December. Everyone's assumption was that Moore had taken a chance on the oft-injured Dotel on the chance that, if healthy, he could be traded. Dotel made his first appearance with the Royals in late May, and eventually appeared in 24 games, notching 11 saves. On deadline day, this actually happened, with the Braves, yes the Braves, sending back the promising but inconsistent prospect Kyle Davies. Davies has started 46 games for the Royals since, but like JDLR and Odalis Perez, has turned in an ERA+ of 85. Davies has improved a little since his Braves days, though he hasn't made a great leap forward, and his numbers remain all over the place. His 1.8 WAR season in 2008 makes him one of Dayton's better pickups, especially considering the price paid was a partial season of Dotel.

That's it, two trades and a no-brainer DFAing.

The Colon trade was ok, but basically pointless. The Dotel-Davies trade was a very good deal however, probably the best trade of Dayton's career. (However, it's 2009 and Davies is in Omaha, so let's not go crazy.)

In spite of two ok-to-good trades, in retrospect, it is clear that a more aggressive approach would have better served the Royals long-term. The bottom line is that Dayton should have done more.

The biggest mistake was at second base. Not trading Mark Grudzielanek was an absolute mistake. It was a mistake at the time and it's a mistake now. Grudz was hitting .305/.346/.441 on July 30th, and was only owed ~2 million of his $4 million dollar salary. You have to find value for Grudz in that situation. And if you can't find the value you want, you settle for what you can get. Work with the salary and turn it to your advantage if you can in the form of another body. Whatever it takes. The Royals, of course, stuck with Grudz, and it worked out so well for them that they started 2009 with Mark Teahen playing second.

Dayton's second mistake at the 2007 deadline was holding onto David Riske. Riske had a 2.22 ERA with 11 holds at the deadline, and was only owed ~1 million in salary, with an affordable club option for 2008. Again, get something. Get a body. Take a bad contract from someone else, package it with Riske, and get two bodies. Now, of course, we know that Dayton loves collecting mid-tier veteran relievers.

Lastly, there's the possibility of buying at the deadline, as the Mariners just did. No, it wouldn't have been easy, but rebuilding the Royals was never going to be easy.

Supposedly, the Royals were going to rebuild around Dayton's scouting acumen. (Which frankly, should not be taken as a given anymore.) What better chance to display it than finding a 19 year old kid languishing in obscurity in some other system that turns into a useful player? Instead, Dayton quickly fell in love with his ability, real or otherwise, to scout 33 year old veterans, which is how we ended up with the Jose Guillen Generation.

Nearly all of Dayton's 2006 moves ended up being losing trades for the Royals, but most of them were chances worth taking. For whatever reason, after 2006, Dayton's mentality seems to have changed by 2007. Perhaps the success of the Meche signing convinced him he could win soon, especially with Greinke, Gordon and Butler lying around.

As it turned out, he was wrong then, and wrong now, and we're still paying for it.

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good post

i hadn’t realized that the pace slowed so dramatically. agree on grud and riske, altho we did get a supplemental pick for riske, which turned out to be montgomery, i believe.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I'd rather have Montgomery

Than a scrub A ball player for Riske.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you being serious?

or sarcastic, I can’t tell. i think montgomery is a pretty good prospect for a reliever like riske, who i don’t think did much at all after he left here.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Serious

Sorry, forgot to turn my snark off. I would seriously rather have Montgomery. I don’t think you could get much for Riske in a trade.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, trying to trade him

would have been a pretty “Riske” proposition!

BADA BING!!!

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, is this mic on (tap, tap)? hello...

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No "Moore" puns, please

You’re really Dayton yourself.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then Dayton tried to recapture the magic with Grudz

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by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

I think losing would have been Grudz accepting arbitration.

by BrRoyal on Jul 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Mahay?

Shouldn’t he have been flipped in 07 also? And again in 08?

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I swear we’ve had him through 2 offseasons now.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 30, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're making me realize just how

terrible DM really is. Couple these terrible trades/ missed opportunities with the current roster, and we aren’t much better off than we were when he took over. We are still bottom 3 in baseball and making the same mistakes night in and night out that we did under Allard. I realize alot of that isn’t on Dayton (and is on Trey) but he employed the man, and seems to have no plan whatsoever to [improve anything] get rid of him.

This is gonna be another fun 3 years.

Seeking inspiration to fill this space...

by KCsince88 on Jul 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i know this gets talked about a lot but...

anybody else amazed how hard a team the royals are having just going from crappy to ok/good? I thought that was the easy part

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Jul 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*time

not team

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Jul 30, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then becoming a great team was the difficult part

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Jul 30, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At what point

is it realistic to say that one of the brighter minds here on RR could run the team better than DM?

Seeking inspiration to fill this space...

by KCsince88 on Jul 30, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

December '07

Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but

by McClure 'stache on Jul 30, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly, Dayton has a ton of skills...

he needs to up his game however to succeed at this level

it may not happen while hes in KC

by royalsreview on Jul 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Corey Patterson cleared waivers today

Some very smart person must have given Sir Sid some Golden Corral gift cards to sit on Dayton and keep him away from the phone

Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but

by McClure 'stache on Jul 30, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We did get something for Riske

Mike Montgomery. I love criticizing Dayton as much as the next guy but not in this case

by gilmeche55 on Jul 30, 2009 2:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, they did get a supplemental pick

which isn’t bad

but a) there was no guarantee of that at midseason, it was possible, but not guaranteed
b) there is something to be said for getting a slightly older player, someone who you have scouted in the minors, etc

by royalsreview on Jul 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last two deadlines....

there were 2 guys who needed to be dealt, and weren’t (Grudz in 07, Mahay in 08). There is no one like that this year, mostly because none of Dayton’s veteran acquisitions have worked out.

by gilmeche55 on Jul 30, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I have to call you out on this:

“Dotel-Davies trade was a very good deal however, probably the best trade of Dayton’s career.”

Its Bannister-Burgos and its a no-brainer.

by raefzilla on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Callaspo/Buckner is probably #2

Although barely.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MacDougal-Cortes/Lumsden was pretty good

even though Lumsden flamed out and then we traded Cortes for Angel Berroa.

MacDougal absolutely fell apart after we traded him.

by raefzilla on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

The Odalis Perez trade was okay, although not as good I thought it would be now that Pimentel has regressed quite a bit.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe...

but when yo ufactor in the fact that Dotel was only going to be around for another three months, its a pretty good deal

burgos obviously fell apart, but he was going to be under team control for years to come

just something to think about

by royalsreview on Jul 30, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Under team control

Until vehicular homicide in Latin America

by BrRoyal on Jul 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nate and steven

were talking the border patrol today. besides SSJ being utterly despondent about the team, Nate indicated that DM has got to learn something from this past year (big news, I know).

To me, that’s really the key to what happens going forward. One thing about Baird, as terrible as he was, is that he did start making some good smaller moves (like Emil Brown, drafting JP Howell) after a while, but it was too late and I think he had no respect from the owners.

Really it’s going to be all about what DM learned from this past year and what he does to rectify it.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, and unfortunately...

he’s shown no indication that he’s learning/changing/adapting

by royalsreview on Jul 30, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not disagreeing with you

but what would be the indications that he’s learning and changing (other than hiring a legitimate SABR staff)?

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by benfunke on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would be in the moves, which is really all that matters

not consistently finding guys who can post a sub .300 for seasons at a time would be a start

by royalsreview on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we might make that Step 1 in Moore's program for Mismanagement-aholics Anonymous

1. Acquire a player with above-league-average OBP via trade or free agency

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by benfunke on Jul 30, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teahen to cubs

rumor? any thoughts on this? the royals are looking for a CF; the only guy i see in their system is brandon guyer, who’s 23 and in high A. that might be fair (i really have no idea), but does it make sense to go for a guy that looks to be 2-3 years away considering the situation we’re in? i would like to see guys that are closer to contributing if we’re going to trade him.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Royals should just be looking for value

they aren’t in a position to just “fill a hole”

Dayton think the Royals are just a CF and an SP away… well, okay, maybe from being a near-.500 team if everything breaks right.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I was just talking about this with Mrs. Cogan

that was one of Baird’s big mistakes with the Beltran deal.

Soren Petro was just also talking about instead of saying, “where DO we need to improve”, DM should be saying “where DON’T we need to improve”.

He basically came up with the following list of places we DON’T need to improve:

1B – Butler
LF – DeJesus

SP-Greinke
SP-Meche
SP-Hochevar/Bannister

CL-Soria

He said no on Gordon, although I think if he produced at last year’s level he would be OK.

Soren’s other point is that, while players like Callaspo are OK if we’re set everywhere else, we’ve got too many guys like that on the team. That’s part of the problem with the line of thinking “we’re only x and y players away”. No, we’re really not, because there are too many spots where there are flawed guys, and seemingly their flaws all exacerbate one another.

Callaspo is OK if you’ve got a really good defensive 1B AND SS…Olivo is OK at C if the rest of the team is good defensively and high OBP…Betancourt is probably OK at SS if the rest of the team is really good defensively with high OBP…and so on.

The problem seems to be that we’re caught in a spot kind of like the Pirates are/were, where there’s some good pieces but the pieces all have flaws that means they can only be taken in small doses.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Get best player available. We need help everywhere.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darwin Barney

I’d like to see them pick up Darwin Barney somehow in the deal, even though he’s not exactly tearing it up at SS in AAA. I bet Dayton goes for a pitcher, tho.

by royalspipeline on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the name alone

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by devil_fingers on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't see Dayton acquiring someone

named Darwin. It would violate his religious principles.

by hunter s. royal on Jul 31, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also,

when (if at all) are we going to get up a trade deadline thread?

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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