A Bad Bullpen and Bad Bats Betray Greinke Again.

by Freneau on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT in Kansas City Royals News

The Royals are now 10-11 in Greinke's starts this season.

Thank God that we have a GM who wants to make a play for 2010 with this group.

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How can the Royals be 10-11 for a pitcher that has a 2.08 ERA?

That’s simply amazing.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 29, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions

Every stat related to greinke

just baffling.

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Jul 29, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions

15 games of 2 runs or fewer from ZG

not “earned” runs, just plain runs, and only 10 wins. Pathetic.

by swing and a miss on Jul 29, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions

Just 60 more losses to go

to equal the 1962 Mets.

by 2X2L on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

Should the Royals trade Greinke and Soria?

What good does it do to have a starter who plays in every 4th game and a relieve that never gets used when you need 5-6 everyday players?

by Nyghtewynd on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

You really wonder if that would not be the best thing to do...

Our postion players and the rest of the bullpen are so pathetic, it doesn’t look like this team can contend for quite some time. Realistically it may be 4-5 years out IF the overhauling of the minor leagues pays dividends, in which case we will probably have to sign both of them AGAIN before they can contribute to a playoff team.

by Olentangy on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

At this point, I'd be for it

EXCEPT, do you seriously believe that DM would really be able to turn them into a good trade? Not me. He is simply the worst negotiator and evaluator of talent and we’d simply get bent over and given a painful, err, treatment.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

They should absolutely be traded

It is becoming crystal clear to me that this team is LIGHT years away from contending still.

A trade of a pitcher like ZG can change the course of a franchise (Bartolo Colon from Cleveland to Montreal for Sizemore, Phillips, Lee: Beckett from Fla to Bos for Hanley Ramirez & others: Cliff Lee to the Phils for their haul today) while keeping ZG won’t change the course of the franchise…

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions

We couldn’t change the course of this franchise by trading Beltran

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions

And last I checked

Beltran wasn’t a stud pitcher

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions

or under contract for 3 1/2 years

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions

still

we got 0 superstars out of the Beltran deal, 1 regular, 1 mediocre player, and a random pitcher.

What makes you think the haul for Greinke is going to be significantly better?

We traded a guy like Greinke a long time ago. We got Kevin McReynolds, Keith Miller, and someone else I forgot for him.

We traded a stud pitcher 10 years ago, for Blake fucking Stein

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions

OK

You are pulling out trades from completely different economic eras and completely different GM’s, as opposed to looking at trades made in similar economic eras just because it fits your point.

I gave 3 examples of several (CC Sabathia is another. If Halladay gets traded, it will be another. The Johan Santana trade may be another – the worst of the bunch still produced 2 + MLB players for Minn. The Peavy nixed trade would have been one.) that occurred within the last few years in which the team that traded away the stud pitcher got back viable MLB talent in return.

You bring up Appier & Cone? And Beltran? An OF’er that was traded by a GM that was TERRIBLE at trades, yet still returned us 2 contributing players 5 years later, and you point to that as a bad trade. For GMAB that was a coup.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Not to mention the supposed "24 hour deadline"

Baird was given.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Jul 30, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Greg Jeffries was the 3rd player

in the Sabes deal

I've got crazy flipper fingers!

by labbadabba on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions

waited too long

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 29, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

nope

should have waited until post-ASG… so that our all-star wasn’t Ken Harvey

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure that trading pieces that are not part of the problem isn't much of a solution

I know that’s being glib, but I don’t think blowing everything up every year or two is going to help. As I’ve said before, I was more confident in a “core” of Butler/Gordon that I’ve ever been of Moustakas/Hosmer and I still feel that way.

Also, I realize there are blockbuster trades and a couple come to mind but how about the ones that didn’t work out? This just seems like “another sucky season, time for the panic button” and we wonder why we’re always here…

by sterlingice on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions

umm....was teixeira part of the problem in texas?

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Again, I said I was being glib

But, as only one other person has mentioned, these trades don’t always work out.

I was talking to someone else online about this about an hour ago and he made the off the cuff comment “my Dodgers need to go trade for him” and then the whole litany of “you guys stink”, “you’re never going to be good with him on the team”, etc.

If we traded Greinke tomorrow, for instance, what kind of a haul are we going to get? It’s certainly an important question to think about.

However, I think, even more importantly is: “If we traded him this offseason, would we get less”? How about after next season? Or even at the trade deadline the next year with 1.5 left on his contract? Wouldn’t the gain be essentially the same?

Sure, if you’re a GM and you saw Greinke with 3.5 years left on his contract on the market, you would give up a lot. But how much would a GM give up if he were out there? The Phillies were willing to give up 2, 3, 4, and 15ish(?) for 1.5 years of Roy Halladay. Does Greinke net you that plus 1 and 5 or something to make it worth the extra 2 years? I doubt it. Sounds like a recipe for Amaro to lose his job even if they win the World Series for botching their chance to win any more over the next 10 years.

by sterlingice on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions

greinke hasnt earned run support

signed steve phillips

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions

This was sadly predictable.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jul 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions

i didn't read the game thread but did anyone else notice the royals

DID NOT RECORD AN ASSIST! i don’t know what that says about tonight, other than that it has only happened five times in MLB history…

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 30, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions

Was there, but didn't know I was watching history

My buddy and I made the trek up to Baltimore from DC to see Greinke. Not a bad game, even with the rain delay and Greinke not having his best stuff. I had no idea about the 27 unassisted outs until reading it about it in a Baltimore Sun recap. In hindsight it seems correct, as the only infiled grounder I can recall off an Oriole bat Butler took himself rather than tossing to Greinke. Strange this has only happened 6 times in 100+ years of baseball.

by TomDC on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions