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Royals Trade Deadline Open Thread: Brian Bannister, Mark Teahen, Ron Mahay, Willie Bloomquist and Others Await Their Fate

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But, upon pondering it for a while, I realized I’m being a bit hippocritical by saying don’t trade Banny, and writing this…http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/7/29/968613/shouldnt-we-be-doing-what-the

If GMDM DOES trade away Banny, he better get a freaking haul for him. Obviously he won’t get anything comparable to what the Tribe got for Lee, but they better not settle for anything less than a guy that will immediately land in KC’s top 10 prospects and one other that will be fringe top-20 or more…

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 31, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Banny?

Am I missing the sarcasm, or is this the same Brian Bannister who has a career WHIP of 1.36, a career K:BB under 2, a career ERA over 4.5, and a career FIP even higher?

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Same guy...

But he appears to be the first player to used “advanced stats” to change the type of pitcher he is. This year he is walking less players he has a slightly better than league average ERA and his FIP is greatly improved. Everyone knew that his 07 was a fluke and 08 proved that. There is no reason to think that the changes he has made to make him a “good” starter aren’t sustainable.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

Just found the article over at fangraphs. Awesome. I agree, keep him…unless you get something worthwhile. I’ll just have to disagree with what “worthwhile” might mean.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

PLEASE KEEP BANNY, Mr. GMDM, PLEASE!!!!!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9871032/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Thursday's-edition

“Royals ready to get in the mix? — 8:38 p.m.

The Royals have been one of the quieter teams leading up to the trade deadline, but it remains possible that they will make a trade (possibly two) before Friday at 4 p.m. ET.

One source with close knowledge of their plans said a handful of clubs have remained in contact with the Royals about infielder/outfielder Mark Teahen and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay.

Despite acquiring Ryan Garko and Freddy Sanchez within the past week, the Giants are open to adding another hitter and still have some level of interest in Teahen, the source said."

Nothing we didn’t know I guess.

by AxDxMx on Jul 31, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Basically if Pittsburgh, Tampa, or Boston trade for Teahen...

I will automatically assume that we have been under appreciating Teahen. Though I imagine Teahen is the type of player that is way more valuable on a good team than on a crappy team.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes

a great player on a shitty team, but an average player on a contender

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by DESTROYER on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN reported this morning...

….that Bannister was possibly going to the Yankees, but the trade broke down when the Yankees requested that KC pay the rest of his salary for the year.

Don’t look at me like that. I’m serious. New York wanted Kansas City to pay for him for the rest of this year. That’s so insane that there aren’t words to describe it.

by Nyghtewynd on Jul 31, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that had been reported here too.

And if I were with the Yankees I would abuse us too, obviously GMDM has made bad moves and I assume he isn’t done making bad moves.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cashman ain't exactly

GM of the year.

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by labbadabba on Jul 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still just $650,000 or whatever

if that’s what it takes to get a good prospect, that isn’t jack. Moore blows more cash than that every month or two on some crappy reliever or utiliityman.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first inclination was to be pissed at the Yankees for that, too

but then, I tried looking at it from NY’s point of view. The big markets have made substantially larger revenue sharing concessions to the small markets over the years, and I think they are sorta OK with that IF, AND ONLY IF, the small market teams use that money to improve their team.

I think NY probably thinks this is NOT what David Glass has used most of his for (although he seems to have changed recently, there is still the matter of the prior years before that when he basically pocketed the revenue sharing money as profit and didn’t even bother spending much on the draft)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Banny info - MLBTR

FRIDAY, 9:22am: Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel says the Royals rejected overtures from the Marlins on Bannister. He wonders whether the next best thing for Florida might be to bring Carl Pavano back. We’ve heard surprisingly little about Pavano lately. He projects to fall short of Type B status, so there’s no point in the Indians keeping him.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering what the package from the Marlins was....

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure all the GMs are lining up to "help out" the Royals

anyone else terrified of the Marlins?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

melky Cabrera.

Straight up.

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's tough for me when it comes to valuing prospects against major league players

so I don’t know

I’m flattered that you care what I think… seriously… I’ll have to do a bit of thinking on that.

Banny looks again like he might be a #3 starter (he’s pitching better than that now, of course, but it’s just over half a season)…

I’m more terrified of the Marlins because 1) they’ve screwed the Royals before, and 2) even though they don’t have a rep as a number-crunching organization, the Marlins certainly value players like one and understand that it’s better to have a replacement-level guy at $400,000 than at $3M

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm like you

i have no concept of value, but from the royals perspective it doesn’t seem like the deal would make sense unless you’re getting more than one player back OR they have a similar player that fills a need at a different position, like CF or SS (sorry Yuni).

i mean, take the yankees-i’m thinking that melky would be nowhere near what we would need back, but if there was a CF or SS that was cheap and good, would that be enough? that plus an A-ball prospect? I don’t know…I do like Banny, but not sure that we’re not overvaluing him a bit.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay some rough thoughts: Yankees

I think Austin Jackson might be fair — he’s one of their top prospects, but he’s not a top 10 or even 20 overall. He might be one of the top 25 position players, but that’s fair if you think Banny’s a league average starter over the next couple-3 years (andhe’s in arb, so he’s cheap).

Melky’s better than people think, but by himself probably isn’t quite enough for Banny, given that he’s already in arb.

I’m going of Sickels’ lists.. .I can’t find BA’s top 100 hitters/pitchers lists. Lil’ help?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where does BA separate in to top 100 hitters and top 100 pitchers?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Kyle Skipworth from the Marlins?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little terrified but without looking at their roster, I assume...

we’ve already taken their biggest OBP sinkholes off their hands…although I guess Miggy Olive-Oil was a FA.

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was another GM and I saw the Yuni trade...

I’d have DM on speed dial and be calling him every day with a new “idea.”

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sportscenter just now:

Kurkjien(sp? oh i dont care) said, Yankees called royals said “we’re interested in Banny and Bloomquist.” GMDM “Who are you gunna give us?” Yanks – " No one."

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by cfizzle on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what a bunch of assholes

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by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate Yankees so much !!!!!!!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were the Yankees

mooning in the direction of Kansas City when they said that?

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by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they were farting in our general direction

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New update on Banni

10:16am: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports say the Brewers made an offer for Bannister but the Royals chose not to counter it. The Royals would have to be bowled over to move the 28 year-old righty.

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good

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by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that's encouraging...

unless he was “bowled over” when he dealt for Yuni too…

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they have bowling alleys in Milwaukee, don't they?

maybe if they threw in a 6-pack of Pabst and a brat…

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think yuni

is better then TPJ

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by DESTROYER on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe GMDM learned a little from the Esky Trade?

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by cfizzle on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Bany

but let’s remember that he was flashing the saber skills after his lucky 2007, followed by him being one of hte worst startes in baseball in 2008. This season is just one season. He’ll be 29 next season. Remember that Banny being a #3 starter is a realistic possibility, it’s also his upside — and he’s likely as good (and thus as valuable) now as he’ll ever be.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when do pitchers hit their prime?

is it 30?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose

I’d guess the same age nonpitchers do — 25-29

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"on average" of course

everyone’s different. Nonpitcher Honus Wagner hit his prime starting at 31… of course, that may have been because the team was too dumb to play him at SS or something. That or steroids.

He was just a George Brett-level of awesome until 31, then he turned into Bonds/Mantle/or, um, Honus Wagner. Pretty much had 4 Brett-in-1980 seaons in a row (relative to his time and positoin).

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is my favorite old-timey player

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I wish I knew more about him

other than the New Baseball Historical stuff (which is great0

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KEEP BANNY GMDMD

KEEP HIM!!!!!!!!!!
No Banny for you!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one too many D's right there oops

..or maybe not. General Manager Dayton Moore _ _ _ _ _ _ (rhymes with the sound you here when a vinegar truck and a water truck crash together)

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about if we called him GDGMDM? Of course, then I’d have to go to confession for taking the Lord’s name in vain….

by chiefstatnut on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poll:

When does everyone here think this team can contend? 2010? 2011?

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had put 2011 as my target point.

After watching this years team and realizing how far away we are I’m thinking 2012-2013 because our prospects are so far away and I’m sure they won’t be able to come in and dominate right away. I’m not saying we won’t be average over the next couple of years but I don’t consider a .500 team to be contending.

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a .500 team

would be a contending team next year…look at the Twins and White Sox this year. They are both contending. I don’t, at this point, see a huge change in the division. Cleveland is probably going to be dreadful next year, the White Sox are getting a year older.

I actually think that with a little luck, continued improvement from our young players, and improvement in the bullpen that we can be close to a .500 team. I do think we need to fire Trey, though.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more than a little luck

Greinke can’t repeat next season. Meche will bounce back for his injury, but I’m guessing 2008 was his peak (not too brave there). Hochevar, Butler, and Gordon could all improve considerably, but unless you think two of them are going to be 5 WAR players next season, .500 is a stretch.

Bullpens are fairly easy to improve, but keep in mind that the Royals are pretty much stuck with Farnsworth and Cruz next season due to their contracts and performance.

.500 would be thrilling next season. But seriously, it would take Greinke at 6, Hochevar, Gordon, and Butler getting at least 12-14 between them for it to be even possible… and that’s assuming that DDJ and Teahen stick around and are average starter the whole season , which means the Royal saren’t getting good value for them at this or next year’s deadline.

But that’s off the top of my head.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm confused about something here...

but isn’t the concept of WAR that if all the players in a lineup have 0 WAR, that team will go .500? Isn’t the 100% average team .500? Now that I’m writing it out, I guess I’m describing a new stat “Wins Above Average” vs “Wins Above Replacement”. I guess my question is, what’s the record of a team with all 0 WAR players?

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it would be around

45 wins. Replacement is what you could scrounge around and get for free, as opposed to average.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

if all your guys are 1-3 WAR guys (average of 2), you’re a 95 win team? Is 1-3 WAR that difficult to acquire? Considering Zack’s going to be around 5-6, we can afford a lot of dead wood.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from what I've seen

averaging 2 WAR would be pretty difficult, pretty much because that includes relievers and bench players that, even if good, aren’t going to accumulate that much in value.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Royals players by WAR

Zack Greinke 6.3
Brian Bannister 2
David DeJesus 1.9
Gil Meche 1.8
Joakim Soria 1.3
Alberto Callaspo 1.3
Mark Teahen 1.2
Coco Crisp 1.2
Billy Butler 1.2
Miguel Olivo 1.1
Luke Hochevar 1
Sidney Ponson 0.7
John Buck 0.5
Kyle Farnsworth 0.4
Alex Gordon 0.4
Robinson Tejeda 0.3
Willie Bloomquist 0.3
Brayan Pena 0.3
Mitch Maier 0.2
Kyle Davies 0.1
John Bale 0
Ron Mahay 0
Horacio Ramirez 0
Bruce Chen 0
Roman Colon 0
Doug Waechter -0.1
Jamey Wright -0.2
Juan Cruz -0.2
Luis Hernandez -0.3
Mike Jacobs -0.3
Tug Hulett -0.4
Tony Pena -0.8
Mike Aviles -1
Jose Guillen -1.7
Total 18.5

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuni's at -1.6 for the season as well...

bringing our SS total to -5.8. Wow.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

technically he didnt do that for us

so adding the numbers together isn’t quite fair

he still isn’t good tho

by ZeppelinDZ on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why I didn't put him in the total,

but the degree of suckitude is the same.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been 0.8 for the Royals

if you look on the “teams” page, click on the Royals, then go to values, you can get player values split to what they just gave to the team

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, that's what I meant

truly impressive to make that sort of mark in such a short period of time.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

about 49 wins

assuming the leagues are equal (they aren’t), a replacement level team is a .300 team.. which is about 48.6 wins

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but

I think Greinke could be nearly as good next year. He’s something special.

It’s going to take some good years, no doubt. The things that I think we can control/fix are the baserunning, defense (to some extent, mainly by fixing CF and C) and bullpen, both usage and composition.

I still think the team is pretty far away from being a “force”…we just don’t have enough offensive weapons.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one that doesn't care about going .500?

I know that means we will probably be contending in our division but I’m almost scared to go .500 with DM because I’m guessing he will trade away prospects for a one year run. I would rather try and build for 2012 and beyond hoping that we can sustain a team that will contend year after year with players from our system.

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I"m putting down Greinke

when I say that it’s just really, really unlikely that he’s going to repeat next season. I can’t seem him putting up less that 9 WAR this season, and 10 is pretty likely. 11 is a possibiity. We’re talking about hte best season by a pitcher since Pedro in 1999, and possibly better. Betting on a repeat is just crazy. Even Bonds and A-Rod regress to the mean.

Greinke mioght better than CC or Halladay in their primes, or Lincecum. When I averaged the projection systems this spring, those guys were the best pitchers in baseball… and none projected as over 6.2 WAR. No, they hadn’t had a season like Greinke’s having now, but they did have previous seasons better than Zack’s…

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

think I meant Pedro in 2000, sorry

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about this this morning, but how bad were the Expos during Pedro's best seasons with them?

I was curious to see if we’re giving Zack more or less support than those teams did for Pedro back then…curious about run support, win-loss record, etc to see just how big of a laughingstock we are right now, pissing away the best arm in baseball.

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would take some work

but could be done… you’d have to do a lot of adjustment for run environemnt

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

taking an unscientific approach:

They were a decent team back in ‘97 when Pedro had his 1.90 ERA. Vlad was there. Pedro went 17-8 and the team averaged 3.67 runs per game for him. David Segui had an OPS+ of 131 that season and the rest of the offense was pretty solid (just eyeballing OPS+). They had a scrappy SS who didn’t carry his weight (someone named Grudz…something). They were 78-84 and finished 4th.

He was traded to the Sox after the season for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas. So…that went well for le Expos.

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year if we wouldnt have lost Gordon/Aviles

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... the Royals would have a shot at 75 again

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.... then we'd break even with Detroit/Minnesota/Chicago

and their win levels would be around ours. This could be the worst division in the AL.

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is

Toronto would have won this divisoni the past 2-3 years

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about all of baseball?

Are we worse that any NL divisions?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or should I say, are any better than us?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno... that's tougher

I don’ know that any NL divisions are clearly better than the Al Central.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

AL rocks. Try talking to one of my inlaws about that. They think the NL central is king of baseball. And they are all really stubborn so it’s a long day and I just retire knowing my league is better.

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on what they keep today

I really think Banny, if not for a great hitter, should stay to at least anchor one area of the game the Rotation

If the Royals get fleeced, it’s gonna be awhile, if not, maybe next year

I am leaning towards 2012 though.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hitting prospects are much more valuable that pitching prospects

they just pan out more frequently

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hhhhmmmmmmmmmm...

I see.

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What year do Glass and his son pass away?

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So it sounds like Washburn has been traded to Detroit

the teams that missed out on him (Yankees) could stretch farther now for Bannister.

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How could the Yankees possibly stretch farther?

Blow raspberries over the phone?

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by cmkeller on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we're not going to contend until say 2012, why aren't we advocating for the Pirates "Blow it Up" aprroach?

are we just resigned to the fact that DM is clueless/delusional that we can compete next year?

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so you don't think...

Zack, Billy, Gordon, or Soria are part of a winning team in KC?

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they will be winners.

Next year! :)

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't get too attached to players

Look what Beane has done….sure, they’ve sucked a bag of dongs the last two years, but he’s positioned the A’s to make another sustained run. They’ve got the best young pitching staff in the game. If Beane can trade Tejada, Mulder, Giambi, Swisher, Hudson, Street, etc……then surely it would make sense for GMDM to look at what he could get for a relatively unproven and possibly unstable guy like Greinke, and a possibly fragile closer like Soria. I freaking love both of those guys, but a forward thinking GM wouldn’t think twice about parting with them if the RIGHT offer came along.

by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly, his shit don't work in the WS.....

But I’d think that any rational analysis would lead you to believe that their winning percentage, pennants, and play off appearances over the last 10 years are something the Royals should be looking at? How many WINNING SEASONS have our beloved Royals had by hanging on to our “stars?”

by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WS is a crapshoot over 7 games

Just look at the Braves 14 year run. 1 WS title.

by AxDxMx on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Street played for the Rox?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does now.

He was a part of the Holliday deal, and was an Athletic at one point.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I read his comment wrong. :)

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure....

….if they resign once their contracts are up. What do you think the odds of that are?

by Nyghtewynd on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could be a part of a winning team in KC in 2012, or they could be used to accelerate a winning team in KC in 2010/2011

I don’t want to see my favorite players go but if we’re three years away from winning and we’ve got lights out players today going to waste and a million holes to fill, I say nobody should be untouchable.

But realistically, no “buyers” at the deadline are gunning for guys like Gordon who haven’t reached their upside potential…so we probably wouldn’t get enough to deal someone like him, he’s worth more letting him develop while we suck…

I don’t want to see any of them go, but look how much Zack’s talents have been wasted on this team…10-11 in his starts? Really? His performance this year has literally been historic.

All of this assumes 2012 is when we contend…if it’s 2010, then of course don’t deal them…“trust the process,” right?

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely OT...

I fear that my University may get shutdown in NCAA 10 for recruiting violations. 4 weeks left in the season I have 13 “5 Star” recruits, as well as 4 “4 Star” recruits. Of which 7 are the top recruit at their position, and i have a soft commit from the number 1 WR recruit.

This has to rival any recruiting class in the history of ever.

Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures

by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what?

Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures

by averagegatsby on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes and...

Football integrity is going out the…..it’s gone, yep that’s gone too.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping for a Maier, Anderson, Freel outfield tonight...

Speedy, white, and…horrible.

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait to see who totally robs us

its gonna be MAGICAL

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by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you see Royals trade with Red Sox, Mariners, or Marlins

scrolling across the ticker at the bottom of ESPN, I think it’s safe to assume the worst.

Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tick tick tick

boring as hell so far

sigh

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

should we start making stuff up?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

though...

one of the things I was going to write about yesterday, but didn’t…

part of the fun about being a hardcore fan is really getting into the minor moves your team makes, and following the process (no joke intended)… I don’t have to have the royals be 100% awesome all the time, but it’s getting really boring when literally EVERY move, large or small, sucks

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could list all the bad trades that "could" happen

and then celebrate when they don’t

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by benfunke on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB N's stupid joke got me

“we have a big trade to announce”

ugh

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those jolly jokers

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rapture = Jeff Francoeur finally hitting the F.A. market

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually the 4 riders of the OBP apocolypse. Gritty white dudes unite!

Scott Posednik
Brett Gardner
Ryan Theriot
Adam Kennedy

and the Jesus, himself, of gritty white dudes, the GMDM holy grail, David Eckstein. If only he wasn’t so Jewey.

by Uscbalto on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ironically

Garnder and Kennedy are actually good this season

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RR, I'm sorry to say you are prolly going to be disappointed again this year

Moore clearly is still in the mode of trying to win as many games as possible this year, and clearly sees the team as a contender in 2010. He has never really waivered from the belief that he can win now and win in the future, as opposed to the more normal small market approach of aiming to win in a definable “window” of time in the future. What else explains his continued reluctance to “blow it up” and arm the organization with a boatload of prospects who will all mature at the same time?

Look for this new stance from the organization once the year is over:

1) Cleveland will fade back to 5th, especially if they trade Martinez today, thus allowing Royals to finish 4th for the 2nd year in a row. With a little luck, the Royals will manage to finish closer to the division than they did last year.

2) Moore will then be able to point out that the team has continually improved under his reign, going from 5th to 4th, then from a distant 4th to a closer 4th.

3) TRUST THE PROCESS!

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bring back gload!

bring back gathright! if we are going to suck, i at least want to be entertained.

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by blue bandwagon on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hadn't you heard?

We already brought back a version of Gathright – Josh Anderson, aka Josh Gathwhite

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I am a BIG believer in the Cleveland approach, which is more like the aiming for a “window” of opportunity.

I’d much rather suffer thru some last place finishes, combined with the pain of losing favorite players when a “blow up” is necessary, if the payoff is a division title every now and then. This is a completely WORKABLE model, IF you have a smart GM and flexible ownership. Too bad we have neither.

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cf. Pittsburgh

without the smart owner

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT

So, I just moved to Des Moines last weekend and was treated to a Royals game on FSN as I was moving in. “Hurray”, thought I, “the rumors about the Royals not being on TV in Iowa must not be true!” Alas, it appears that my hasty joy was unwarranted. Apparently, Royals appearances on FSN here are rare.

There the Royals go again. They get my hopes up for a fleeting moment and then crush them just as quickly.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

trust the process

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't have the resources to wage a battle on two fronts at the same time

Grass Creek first, then we push to the east.

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Royals are on FSN Midwest when the Cardinals do not have a game.

In some areas, ie Springfield, Joplin, and Columbia Missouri, they show the Royals games on an alternate channel when the Cardinals are on FSN. On mediacom in Springfield, they are on some random local access channel. Maybe they are on one of those channels in your area.

by MIZ-FKU on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmn...

I will have to see. I have been browsing around the other channels looking for the Royals on digital cable, but I haven’t found anything yet. We have Mediacom here. If they do that in Springfield, I’m hoping they’d do it here.

On the plus side, I can get two different Royals affiliates on the radio (one here and one from Omaha). I can also find at least one Cubs affiliate. Surprisingly, I haven’t even been able to find even either a Cardinals or a Twins radio broadcast.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Columbia is also Mediacom and they do the same thing.

They are on some random local channel in Columbia too.

by MIZ-FKU on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just checked and you are out of luck.

Only games on in Iowa are when the Cards aren’t on. At least if you know the schedule, you can plan to watch the games you can watch.

http://mlb.mlb.com/kc/schedule/fsn_iowa.jsp

by MIZ-FKU on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That is very very helpful. That is certainly a lot more games than I was expecting. They must not show up in the Mediacom programming guide because none of those upcoming games are listed.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IOWA

is mostly cubs territory because of the minor league affiliate, and unfortunately i cant recieve cardinals coverage here in KC, its dominated(laughs histerically) by royals coverage. BUT!!! when i moved here i said i would root for the Royals as well since you there is that NL AL divide…

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by DESTROYER on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You live in a Cubs AAA town.

Iowa is unofficial Cubs territory except for small pockets of resistance.

by AxDxMx on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I haven’t lived here a week yet, and I managed to get four free tickets to an upcoming I-Cubs game.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This season has just been a total downer

Bad FA pickups, Top prospects injured or underperforming, Royals injuries and the Betancourt trade…GMDM has put this team back another 5 years.

At least BamBam is showing signs

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Watching MLB

They were talking about Matt Holiday and the trade to the Cards. Reynolds mentioned that Holiday was from Oklahoma and said that Oklahoma was “Cardinal Country.” WTF?

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by clintox100 on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true

statement, have alot of family down there and see more Cards gear down there then anything else

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by DESTROYER on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sucks

I live near Dallas and thought bc the Rangers AAA team is in OKC that they might have a presence as well as a Royals one as well. Just kind of caught me off guard

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by clintox100 on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I see more Yankee gear around here than any other team. There were a lot of old Yankees from Oklahoma. BoSox, Cardinals, and Rangers are a distant 2nd-4th. I think I’ve seen 2 people with Royals gear on in the 11 years I’ve lived here.

by trauty on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could the MLB-N blow St. Louis any more?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

they dont get enough coverage...

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by DESTROYER on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Sox getting V-Mart

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

4th place is ours!

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying there's a chance...

for the Royals to lock up 4th place again!!! FUCK YEAH!

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by Royal Revival on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tick tick tick...

i thought i had heard something about teahen… must have been a hallucination

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are we not looking to move dejesus?

And if not, why? He has some value I think.

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by royaldaddy on Jul 31, 2009 2:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

and have him miss the 4th place parade?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he's under team control til 2011

he’s been in quasi-decline, who knows

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he wants to be old school

and play his entire career for one team.

He should just waive his right to free agency. That would be even more old school.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep landing on this thought

He’s a fourth OF on a good team. The Royals don’t have a lot to offer and whatever they got back wouldn’t likely be close to ML ready, unless they traded Soria or maybe Banny.

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by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree
He’s a fourth OF on a good team.

he’s been one of the better LFs in baseball this year, when you factor in defense

yea, if he’s your best player, you’re in trouble… but… he’s not a 4th OF

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he's not a 4th of, but

He’s nothing special. He’s average in every sense. I was just hoping some gm would overvalue him just not ours.

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by royaldaddy on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

wrong wrong wrong

I know why people think this… but think of it this way… there are 90 starting OF spots in the majors. DDJ has been one of the top ~30 OFs in baseball the 2007-2009, and in 2006 was one of the top 20. What makes him a 4th OF? That he doesn’t hit homeruns? That he can actually field his position, unlike Jason Bay, Adam Dunn, 2009 JOhnny Damon, etc?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree to a point.

He’s not part of the problem and he’s definitely a starting MLB OF. I’m just not sure if it’s worth having guys like him and teahen if you have no one to compliment them. We’re just seriously lacking star position players and having a bunch of 2nd bananas doesn’t do you any good.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

the Royals need to try to trade him and everyone else on the team over 27 for value. I just disagree with the idea that he wouldn’t start on a good team.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm slowly coming around to this way of thinking

I don’t want to blow the team up, but it seems pointless to have positions taken up be average old guys (Freel) when younger guys would do just as well and benefit more from playing. Let’s see what we have, and not wait until September to find out.

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, but

part of the problem is that, for all of dayton’s supposed great drafting, it’s all very young

we have NOTHING at AAA (other than Kila and guys like Costa/Lubes who are no better than MM)

we have very little at AA that’s really ready for a promotion

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on a side note

Lubanski played last night for the Omaha Royals. First game back off the DL

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing GMDM sees it this way-

Any trade pulled off with big league starters [DDJ, Teahen, Bloomie] needs to return AA or AAA players who can be up next summer or it’s a wasted deal.

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by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"below average" is generous to Freel

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's only a 4th OF

because damnit, he smiles too much.

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like

There are 90 OF in MLB. 30 of those are RF’s so aren’t part of the pool of comparison. His offense makes it tough to justify playing him in LF, especially when LF is position that you normally stick defensive stiffs in [see Bonds, Barry].

It appears that he peaked a batter last year [29 years old] and if you believe the defensive stats he is inconsistent in the field. He’s a good player he’s just not the type of guy that you’re gonna get a decent return for. On the plus side, he’s cheap and has the kind of body that makes you think he can sustain what he’s got for a few more years.

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by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a run saved = a run earned

DDJ has been an above average player every full season he’s played since he’s been up.

He’s outplayed Adam Dunn this season. Is Adam DUnn a 4th OF?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see the comparison

since a Dunn / DDJ swap isn’t in the cards and the Washington Nationals are not a good team.

I was trying to drive home the point that while it might be nice to trade DDJ there might not be much demand with teams likely to be buying.

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by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the issue is whether DDJ is a 4th OF

he isn’t.

He should be moved.

Although it’s true that teams may not vlaue hhim properly.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

the issue is whether DDJ would be a fourth OF on a likely contender. The answer is probably yes. For the current universe of likely trading partners, Teahen is much more likely to see significant playing time than DDJ, despite the fact that most of us see Teahen as a bench player and DDJ as a starter.

I made no definitive statement of DDJs value. That was inferred by others.

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by vegasroyals on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the issue is whether DDJ would be a fourth OF on a likely contender. The answer is probably yes.

I’m with d_f on this, i just don’t think thats true.

A simple argument. An average or better team is probably a contender right now (maybe more than that). DDJ is above average in LF. DDJ would start for many (not all) contenders.

by ZeppelinDZ on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't we name some contending teams?

Yankees: DDJ better than Damon, Melky, probably Gardner (who’s hurt)

Boston: Probably not, although he’s been about as good as Jason Bay

Tampa Bay — no

Detroit: Better than any OF they have other than Granderson

Chicago: could obvoiusly play CF there, maybe be as good as Quentin given Q’s defense and regression to the mean

Minnesota: currently better than Gomez, YOung, probably as good as Span, better than Kubel

Angels: probably not

Texas: He’s probably as good as Byrd or Murphy,

Dodgers: No

Giants: As good as Winn, better than Lewis, as good or better than Rowand

Cubs: Probably not, although he might be as good or better than Soriano at this point

St. Louis: probably not… although I think he’s a sgood or better than Ankiel in CF

Milwaukee: no

Philadelphia: no

Atlanta (?): He’s better than Church or Garrett Anderson

Florida(?): DDJ would be the best player on that team

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answer:

He could be the best OF on a contending team, he could be a 4th on a contending team…

it simply depends on how the rest of the roster is constructed.

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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Florida(?): DDJ would be the best player on that team

You mean outfielder, right?

Because, um, I know Hanley isn’t a world-beater on defense, but…

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yikes!

yeah, I mean OF. D’oh

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

St. Louis

Rick Ankiel is the 4th outfielder. DDJ would start ahead of Holliday, Ludwick, or Rasmus.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ready for the Alex Gordon shocker

we upgrade at third by shipping Gordon to the Mariners for Beltre, the Mariners send a minor league pitcher to the Nats, who send us Joe Beimel and Mike Mcdougal to shore up the pen for our stretch run.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can't tell you how much i want blomquist out

I’m tired of watching him, hearing out him, etc

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where's the love?

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scutaro vs. Bloomquist

shows just how much better J.P. is than Dayton Moore

and also why some people can’t see it

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RR! he's one of our best players!

lol

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saw that

Grit

Steve Balboni is Legen...Wait For It...Dary

by clintox100 on Jul 31, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because O-Cab is only there for the rest of the season

has been absolutely horrible on both sides of the ball

and the A prospect, while limited in stats, was a 2nd round pick with tons of “upside potential”

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey the Dodgers got

Vinny Rottino….

well, that’s all I’ve got….

by Gload on Jul 31, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Willits and Quinlan are ours!

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if we got brandon wood?

and then buried him for three years just like the angels.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, he does have serious OBP issues and questions about his glove...

bye-bye, Alex!

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys should really check the BBTF dealine thread

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/btfs_2009_trade_deadline_extravaganza_7_31_12_6_pm_edt/

love that Dayton Moore is generally the “baseball bad GM” now

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Would Tony Gwynn eat a telephone if it were dipped in gravy?"

77% say yes

Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but

by McClure 'stache on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

vic to bosox?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

done.

masterson and hagadone

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

masterson is an ok reliever.

Hagadone might be a beast though. Just coming of TJ though and hasn’t really put up more than 3-4 IP a start.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I like to hear:

1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As Long As

We have Chen and Ponson, Banny is expendable, no?

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by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I would say this has actually been quite an active trading season by comparison to years’ past

Cliff Lee
Matt Holliday
Victor Martinez
Ryan Garko
Jarrod Washburn
Orlando Cabrera
Pirates trading an entire infield and half a pitching staff

That’s quite a few deals in the last week or so

by sterlingice on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if garko gets a mention so do these

Jeff Francouer
Ryan Church
Nate McClouth
Nyjer Morgan
Lastings Milledge
Yunieski Betancourt!!
George Sherrill
and some others too im probably missing

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by focs on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

counting flowers on the wall

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm stunned that Harold Reynolds doesn't like what the Pirates did

they had Aramis Ramirez 7 years ago! they could have kept all these guys from the last decade, had a $200 million dollar payroll and been winners

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just a semi off topic

how much of dyes offensive value is mitigated by his defense?

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not as much this year as in other

but last year, almost completely

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

somehow his defensive numbers are getting better… maybe he’s made adjustments, worked harder, something

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He's Been Watching

Hoagy.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, better this year

there’s a lot of “error bars” in defense. Performance always varies around true talent, as well

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have to be a major haul...

I would hate to see him go, but he won’t be able to do anything with his career if he stays here, and he could bring several pieces to make this team less of a laughingstock.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would have to be texas

they are the only team with a stacked enough system to make it work.

you’d have to ask for smoak, holland, main, and kiker. Id do that.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

although

we could have just drafted smoak, and wieters, and kershaw/lincecum.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I started doing a fanpost called "The Kansas City Royals have a time machine" and redo every draft since 2000

It is a completely pointless exercise, though… and it gave me a newfound respect for how much of a crapshoot the MLB draft really is.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, do not bring up Smoak

I wanted us to draft him so bad, I knew he was going to rake and he has done nothing but prove me right.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

I was disappointed too, but then I trusted Dayton back then, so I got excited for Hosmer. Well, it feels like I was right.

ughhhhh. Wieters and Smoak. Thats basically Morneau/Mauer part two.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows, Hosmer might end up the better player

But Smoak is really good RIGHT NOW. Who knows when Hosmer makes it up to the big club?

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

I dont know why you would draft a HS player top 5 unless they are exceptionally elite.

If you are choosing between two comparable talents, don’t you take the one that is farther down the development path? It lowers the risk and you get a more immediate impact.

If Hosmer is about as good as Smoak then its a bad pick. We would be accepting more risk of failure than just taking the sure thing.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not by everyone

but it’s the “upside” thing. Hosmer is supposed to be the biggest power prospect in years… ATL has traditionally gone heavy on HS-ers

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Rany did a study years ago… it’s dated, but he found that HS SSes and college 1B were the best bets

As Rany put it, the Hosmer-over-Smoak pick is strange because hopefully, HOsmer will turn o ut to be about as good as Smoak. The Royals (and they weren’t alone) obviously thought/think he’s doing to e better than that.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sweating out a Heath Bell to the Dodgers trade. That would decimate my fantasy squad

after I traded Jenks last week for Adam Dunn. Yikes I’m Dayton Moore!

by Uscbalto on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

down to the wire... latest from Dutton's twitter
Some interest in Bannister, but everything seems quiet with the #Royals with about 1 hour to go before the trade deadline. Too quiet maybe. 20 minutes ago from web

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"too quiet maybe"?

what’s he trying to imply? That as bad as his reputation is, he’d expect more people to be trying to rip him off?

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Pirates just traded a reliever with a 0.93 ERA in AAA this season for "future considerations"

Isn’t that basically free? Why aren’t we in on the Pittsburgh fire sale? Does Sayton really think this bullshitpen is going to turn it around?

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

20 minutes

tick, tick, tick…

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHY?

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolen's actually been good

Another JP trade that turned out good that no one mentions

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

turned out good both ways...

Glaus was good for the Cards last year and is hurt this year…Rolen is good this year but was hurt last year.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus as a Cardinal 5.3 WAR, all in 2008 and was paid about $23M over that period. He’s gone after this season.

Toronto: Rolen = 5.9 WAR (keep in mind that FanGraphs doesn’t adjust for the superiority of the AL yet) ROlen got paid probably around $18M by the Jays (don’t know how much they are throwing in to the Reds for next season), and got turned into another (less but also considerably cheaper) player in Encarnacion and two good pitching prospects.

The Cardinals got value, but also schooled.

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by devil_fingers on Aug 1, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not counting...

Anything Glaus contributes this year if he comes back…or if he gets traded to an AL team as a DH like is speculated. I don’t know if “schooled” is the right term.

Plus, his injury allowed for a trade for Holliday this year as well.

by stlfan on Aug 1, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, "schooled" was too much

but Toronto clearly won the trade

Im’ not sure how Glaus being injured freed up money for Holliday to come over… no way that can be counted as a plus.

Basically, Toronto got a player who contributed more in the same time period, and still managed to flip him for yet more additional value. Unless Glaus come back as Barry Bonds for the Cards or gets traded for some top prospects, I don’t see how the trade comes close to even.

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by devil_fingers on Aug 1, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is that the only defense 1/3 of Royals fans come up with?

Another 1/3 is “1985”?

I much prefer talking baseball with the remaining 1/3 like devil_fingers up above and many others on this board.

by stlfan on Aug 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not saying it freed up money...

saying that if Glaus is healthy and doing anything close to last year’s numbers…the Cards wouldn’t have gone after Holliday.

by stlfan on Aug 2, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumor going around that Jerry Hairston, Jr

got traded to the Yankees for A-Jax, no way this is true, right?

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Schaum just said it was B.S.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from Rotoworld

According to MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo, Austin Jackson may be on his way to Cincinnati to complete the Yankees’ trade for Jerry Hairston Jr.

We sure hope Mayo is wrong. Jackson, 22, is among the top prospects in the game, batting .307/.371/.424 with four home runs, 39 RBI and 17 stolen bases this season for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Source: Jonathan Mayo on Twitter

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please God tell me this is true

Then we could point and laugh at Cashman for a while instead of Dayton.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schaum shot it down vis-a-vis Keith Law already, I think

And Austin Jackson is not one of the top prospects in the game. Would love to have him, but he looks like a rich man’s DDJ to me. Is that one of the top prospects in the game?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they’re saying that because it’s the Yankees.

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fasho

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A rich mans DDJ would probably be top 25

I don’t think he is that though. If were talking wealth here, hes a rich man’s Melky.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just looking at DT/MLEs

he looks like an average-to-above average hitter in his prime, at CF… that sounds like DDJ (although Jackson can actually steal bases, and scouts think he has more power potential than he’s currently showing at 22)

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld now reporting the Reds got an A-ball catcher for Hairston, not Jackson

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followed by Gleeman writing 23 updates on Jason Kubel

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braves trade for Adam LaRoche...

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

for Kotchman

Red Sox supposedly got Casey Kotchman in return, according to Rotoworld.

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

WTF Braves? Somehow, through all this, they gtive away half their farm system for Tex, turn Tex into Kotchman, then end up with the 1B they replaced with Tex.

Can’t go wrong with a Braves guy

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schuerholz left behind a real braintrust legacy there…

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we got Chuck LaMar, Jr.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we call it the Circle of Life

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kotchman doesn't have a great bat

but he’s far superior with the glove, and is 4 years young and cheaper than LaRoche

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AKA "is only a couple wins better than Mike Jacobs over a full season"

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point

its unfair to include most royals players in relevant discussion of sucking or not. There is always a Royal from the past season or two who is much worse.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fasho

Kotchman isn’t useless, though

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'd be an upgrade

but he’d be a guy who would always have to watch his back for replacements.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that was an upgrade

for the Marlins

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Johnson to the Marlins

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

most boringest

baseball name ever.

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by labbadabba on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO, they're going off Central time

So it’s 10 minutes to

(sorry)

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

good thing it isn't Canadian time

or it would be about 14.3 minutes

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

salary dump

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus Yonder Alonso, reportedly, nice haul

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Go JP

I’d rather have a competent asshole running my team than a dumbass pretty boy

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my best friend in college was a competent asshole.

Real smart guy but jeez was he an ass…

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by labbadabba on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

addition by stagnation

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the new “Nosotros Creemos” for Royals fans

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least TPS was funny-dumb, arrogant-dumb

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have i ever told the story of how tony pena hit on my mom?

if things broke right I could have been looking at a career as a 4th rate utility IF.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

were you neighbors?

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what if you do this?

Nosotros Creemos ?

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know, after about 1 month of the ’03 season it could have been….

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

couldn’t they at least DFA Jacobs to open a spot for Kila?

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trust the process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you think we should be capitalizing the "p" in process

Trust the Process!

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to add the final step

Be Paralyzed by the Process and sit tight at the trading deadline!

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

September 1st

that better happen

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they won’t need to, then, Kila’s already on the 40-man

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they’ll just bring Kila up to ride the bench, huber style

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welp, Szymborski just said we should be relieved Dayton didn't do anything

He can’t be trusted to make smart moves at the deadline or ever, really

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There is that silver linning I suppose

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also just said the Natinals are a worse organization than the Royals

And that they make the Detroit Lions look like Branch Rickey’s Cardinals teams. Yowza.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lining*

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it a double dare?

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as it isn't a double dog dare

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by buddyball on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well yeah

of course, if it were a double dog dare, then I would question the process, sure

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its Kietzman

Just be thankful hes not talking about Smoke ‘n’ Fire.

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by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

610sports.com I believe

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by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this blog

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Law reports no Alonso in Rolen deal

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I shoulda known, it came from Rotoworld through Foxsports.com

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woulda been fun to see the Jays with a real 1B

they should just done Halladay for Smoak and Holland

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

I guess they can try again in the offseason

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust the process, etc.

At least we didn’t trade for any more low-OBP hackers with 5 HR.

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by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They're GRRRRRRRRRRRRIT!

Do we have a Tony the Tiger making fun of grit image yet?

by sterlingice on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the key to success

Eckstein, Geoff Blum, Scott Spiezio, Scott Brosius, etc

All gritty white dudes who came through big time in the playoffs.

Obviously the more you can compile, the better you are going to perform.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Rolen Rumor

mlbtraderumors: RT @matthewpouliot John Fay: The Reds are sending Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart to Toronto for Scott Rolen.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Rolen doesn't clog up the bases too badly for Dusty

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by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My injury-prone 3B for your injury-prone 3B and two prospects

Good one, Walt Jocketty. Hopefully this starts a former Cardinals conspiracy in Cincinnati.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone know anything about the prospects?

I’ve got too many active tabs between Twitter, this, and the BBTF discussion

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a boy can dream, right?

I love it when guys who could start for the Royals get picked up by other teams for basically nothing

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roenicke was the Reds’ AAA closer and Stewart is also a AAA reliever.

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JP is a moron

neither of those guys is close to 30!

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peavy for Poreda, Clayton Richard, Dexter Carter and Adam Russell

by royalspipeline on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeesh

that seems like a panic trade by the padres.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From MLBTR, answering my own question but thought you might all want to know:

“Peavy is owed $56MM through 2012, or $74MM through 2013 if the Sox exercise his option.”

No guarantee he will be back this year according to BBTF

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not sure how I feel about this

Peavy has been one of my fantasy cornerstones. And i hate the white sox. Ugh.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright

enough of this.

Obviously Dayton feels the best trades are the ones we didn’t make and as our team learns and grows their skills at the game of baseball…OUR TEAM GOT BETTER.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was watching MLB Network for most of this.

Harold Reynolds is an idiot. I don’t really thiink anyone can argue with that.

Jonathan Mayo was interesting to listen to, and he actually knew stuff. Harold knew very little, and the opinions he did have were stupid.

That is all.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, now we're pretty much done for the year, right?

Normally there’s some speculation on trades during August, but all of the guys who have value: Teahen, DDJ, Meche, Greinke, Soria, Gordon, Butler, maybe Mahay…….none of them are going to slide through waivers.

JoGui and Farnsworth may be the only two guys that the Royals can get through.

Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs

Anderson

Freel

Bloomquist

Mahay

Bale

Jamey Wright

TPJJ

Yuni

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The opposite of progress is process.

- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes

by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addition By Inaction

I’d like to hear some of the deals involving the Royals that were nixed, particularly anything GMDM cooked up.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

mark teahen

for brian bocock and travis ishikawa

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are Those Real

Names?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So They're NL'ers

Making them totally worthless in the AL Central.

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by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so....

we didn’t do anything?

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just Jeff Bianchi for Eric Cordier...

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait we got that anderson guy....

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasted Day

Spent starring at MLBTR

www.royalsonradioetc.com maybe worth the time but I wouldn't bet on that.

by RoyalsonRadioetc on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, tons of action.

Best trade deadline in recent memory, tons of deals.

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by slayor on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

a couple big moves and I like the Peavy deal coming out of nowhere

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, we're stuck with Mahay for the rest of the year.

I haven’t felt like this since the day after the 2004 presidential election.

- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes

by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the 2008 Presidential election as the new presidents own home state melted away with Bakojovich....

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I'll stick my jimmy threw your mouth roof

so get your big ass in that pollin’ booth"

by The #1 Bockel on Jul 31, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

is Ron Mahay the giant douche or the turd sandwich?

- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes

by JobDDT on Jul 31, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why make a big trade this year

when we have a chance to contend for 3rd place next year.

by rph on Jul 31, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so when the player's agent is saying "I can't believe they traded for him"

that’s gotta be a bad sign, right?

I hate the white sox. Today could be a very good day now.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol, i read that comment too

wtf, I can’t believe Peavy’s agent said that. Pretty hilarious

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by slayor on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused

are people saying that this trade is good or bad for the sox? I think this is a horrible trade for the white sox, am I missing something?

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

its basically like signing him as a free agent, but in addition to the boat loads of money you have to pay him, you had to give up 3 quality pitchers as well.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just wanted to make sure

for god sakes, this is bad on a number of levels. huge contract, injured, gave up good prospects, god damn

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is perhaps the dumbest and laziest analysis

I have read in awhile. Oh and quite wrong.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 1, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the changing of leagues and parks.

How does Chicago play? Petco is a major pitcher’s ballpark.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Aug 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gee

didn’t consider that. I mean no pitcher has ever made the jump from NL to AL.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 1, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Mark Davis.

oh.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 1, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy your 50 million investment,

Hope it works for you.

He can get 4, NOT 5.

by Warden11 on Aug 2, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Required Reading For

True Royals fans.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it seems like its unnecessarily circular.

Shouldn’t that just be a straight line?

Establish goals and objectives: host the world series parade in the plaza
Develop a strategy: acquire quality obp hitters
Make recommendations: acquire albert pujols and ichiro
Implement Recommendations: Settle for Mike Jacobs and Willie Bloomquist
Review Goals and situation: Injuries derailed sure 100 win season. Bring back core and try again next year.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the Homer/Royals Retro Method

Phase 1: Acquire expensive, old, crappy players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Playoffs!

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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