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Royals Stick With Brian Bannister, Begin Drive for 75 Wins

In the end, as was the case in 2008, the Royals sat on the sidelines at the trade deadline.

The best trade chip the Royals had -- aside from doing a really smart thing and trading Joakim Soria -- was probably Brian Bannister. Bannister has now had two good seasons out of the last three, with a clunker in between, and is now in the arbitration phase of his career.

A deal was never offered that Dayton bit on. Now the Royals continue on with Bannister, Mark Teahen, Willie Bloomquist, Ron Mahay, and all the rest.

Star-divide

Bannister is an interesting case of an established Major League player that, nevertheless, no one quite knows how good he is. For all the talk that Bannister generates about his approach, his use of advanced stats, his roots in the game, his Christianity, and the like, you can see a lot about him at any given moment by looking at his home run rate. In 2007 and 2009, its around 0.8-0.9 per nine innings. In 2008, when he was one of the worst starters in the American League, it was at 1.4 per nine.

Part of that drop in homers allowed has been Bannister's increased ability to get ground balls.

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via www.fangraphs.com

 

Where the Yankees really crazy to offer almost nothing for Bannister? I like Bannister as a long-term piece for the Royals, but he's a small uptick in his flyball rate from being a real problem in the AL East, especially pitching in the new Yankee Stadium.

I've been repeatedly critical of Moore's decision to play for the immediate present and future since 2007, and because of that mentality, he's now more or less committed to it. Dayton's boxed himself in with this roster, and is now stuck with it. It's a mistake built on mistakes, which continues to produce more mistakes, but there's no turning back now.

So let's hope for the best, I guess. Maybe Brian Bannister can be a part of it.

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The Royals do have some players that could be traded in August

I could see guys like Mahay and Cruz pass through waivers and might be trade worthy if they string together a few good outings

by jsolo on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And how could I forget the most obvioius player who pass through waivers

Betancourt.

I didn’t mention him above because
he's too valuable to this team to trade

by jsolo on Jul 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Editing Fail

I didn’t say anything profound enough that it bears repeating

by jsolo on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except

If DM was worried for 2 years whether TPJ would be “able” to make it through waivers, do you really think he’d try sending 2 of his “star” pitchers through the gauntlet?

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 31, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Banny is a good christian so DM can still tolerate him

It must be some kind of crazy paradox to be deeply religious and a sabermetrician. I’m shocked that Banny doesn’t cause a rip in the space/time continuum.

by jsolo on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

it’s coming

the weird beard he had was the first sign of trouble

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Per mlbrumors.com

The Phillies, Cardinals, Red Sox and Tigers are Jon Heyman of SI.com’s deadline winners. His losers? The Nats and Royals.

by Uscbalto on Jul 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You nailed it

The absolute stubborn idea that the Royals can win both now and in some period of time in the future is, IMHO, the fatal flaw in Moore’s thought process that has led to many of his poor trades/personnel decisions.

What we don’t know, since we are outsiders, is this his true belief, or is he being pressured by the tyrannical and ignorant ownership family?

In an ideal world (read: level playing field), I would be totally on board with his goal of trying to build an organization that can win every year – but I just don’t think it makes sense coming from where this organization was when he took over. What I mean is, he inherited a minor league system in SUCH disarray, that it was pure folley to think he could even begin to think about winning until at least 5 or 6 years passed, in which the organization should have been doing NOTHING EXCEPT trading major league talent for prospects in order to build up the system. In short, he should have told Glass “I’ll take the job, but you need to announce to the public that due to my neglecting of the farm system, expect us to lose 100 to 110 games every year for the forseable future, but it will be OK in the end, because once we rebuild the system, THEN we can begin our dynasty”

Sorry I keep repeating this theme. I live in a dream world. It’s much nicer here than the cold, harsh reality of the Royal fandom world I used to reside in.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in other words,

you want to COMMIT to the process, not just do it part time.

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, sort of

I’m OK with him saying ’trust the process" – IF, and ONLY IF, I thought it was the correct process in the first place.

I don’t think trying to win both now and in the future is possible, given the condition of the organization he inherited.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh to the diehard Royals fan (it should sound harsh); sometimes reality bites…

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Indians made several playoff appearances using this method

tell me long-suffering Royals fans wouldn’t settle for that in a hearbeat!

Quite frankly, winning the WS, or even merely winning a playoff series would be scant gravy compared to actually MAKING the playoffs again in my lifetime, at this point. (I’m 49 and in good health; yet I still wonder if I will ever see it again, no shit)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland has pulled this off too

at least insofar as playoff appearances.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think of CLE or OAK as dynastic though...

the moreso built middling almost contending teams

by Bart41 on Jul 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they were competitive and good, and had and have hope for the future or near future

Better than the Royals in the past, and will be better than the Royals soon again.

Cleveland was a game from the WS in 2007. They won 93 games in 2005. They won 89 in in 2006. NOw they’re trying to reload.

It’s hard to remember now, but Oakland won the Al West as recently as 2006, and lost to the Tigers in the ALCS.

They were a competitive 88-74 in 2005, and 91-71 in 2004. They won the West in 2003, 2002, Wildcard in 2001, Won the West in 2000…

No WS appearances, of course, but what Royals fan wouldn’t take the As or even CLE’s record over the respectiv periods?

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cleveland is one case

the A"s made the playoffs 4 straight years, then again in 2006

they also lost the AL West by 1 game in 2004

i’d take that

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

I still think Moore has been a lousy GM, looking at most of his decisions independently from the mindset of what I posted above.

In other words, even if they had taken the approach I advocate above, it still would have failed due to his incompetence.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To RR

Condolences on St Willie not being traded.

You can always root for a season ending injury. I know that sounds like something very un-christian to do, but come on – I know some of you out there were secretly happy when Guillen got hurt, because I know I was. Not happy for him to endure pain and rehab work, etc. – just happy I don’t have to watch him flounder anymore this year.

Willie really has been OK this season – but I get the disconnect from the perceived (perceived by the Royals and their media lackeys) value, and his real value. I also get that he will never be part of a contending team here, and as such it makes ZERO sense for him to be playing nearly every day.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks...

you know what really annoys me about St. Willie…

when he hits those fly balls to RF, and sorta runs outta the box holding his bat with one arm like he’s ichiro

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

part of the claims of Banny and the ptich f/x people who’ve verified some of his claims is that he knew he needed to increase his GB rate, and this is what lead to him bringing back the cutter he used to throw in the minors. So, yeah, paying attention to this stuff might actually have paid off for him.

I’d love to hear Dayton explain how this team is going to contend next season, reasonably speaking, without saying all those things we’ve talked about:: Zack having another historic season AND Gordon and Butler both being superstars AND Meche returning to his peak 2008 form AND Yuniesky Betancourt being something like his 2007 self AND the ROyals having a DH who can hit like slightly above league average AND Hochevar being a middle of the rotation starter AND Bannister continuing to be as good as he’s been this season, which is the onlytime in his career he’s been this good, AND …. so on and so forth.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea

still have to fill a hole or two in the OF and at least a few bullpen spots, as well as a legitimate #5 starter.

too many holes on this team still. you can live with a couple of role players/borderline scrubs, but that describes probably 1/3 of the lineup. that and depth, still not enough.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 31, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why they need to be selling everyone over 27

I can’t believe they didn’t just sell Mahay and Cruz for whatever they could get

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Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't giveawawy DDJ and Teahen, but do aggresively see what's out there

I think everything we’ve seen and heard indicates they didn’t do that

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Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.

by devil_fingers on Jul 31, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moore would give you a one word answer: Injuries (but they're not an excuse)

They’re not planning on anyone being injured in 2010

Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed

by Top Ramen on Jul 31, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dayton's visualization:
Moments before the start of the 2010 season, all of the good players on the Tigers, Indians, Twins and White Sox have been felled with apparent congenital heart defects.

Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed

by Top Ramen on Jul 31, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently DM wants 'ready now' prospects

I don’t get that? How can he think that we are going to compete this year or next? He would have been wiser to load up on high A level prospects and hope to make a run by 2011. Now we have to suffer for more of the same for at least another season before we can have any reasonable sense of hope at all.

by rph on Jul 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I finally understand the process.

GMDM doesn’t actually think we can win now. He thought we could be reasonably competitive now; that is, he was probably shooting for 81-83 this season, and in that respect injuries probably have been the culprit.

No, the “process” is obviously just “wait until we have Moustakas and Hosmer and Parraz and, oh, Bianchi and/or Giovatella, and keep all those pitchers who could help the bullpen now down in Omaha to get more work, while keeping the payroll up enough that people don’t assume we won’t spend money.”

I do have to give GMDM, and the Glass family, credit for one major and critical decision they’ve made; the Glasses aren’t dicking around with paying their draft picks now. In fact, they’re pissing off Bud Selig. That’s given Moore the latitude to actually go after the players he wants, and I have to confess that I don’t have any particular issue with his drafts. Now, since that’s the one thing they’re quite clearly doing right, I have to assume that that is, in fact, “the process.” It just has zero relation to what they’re doing on the field today.

This space for rent.

by jonfmorse on Jul 31, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is so hard to tell

if there were even any decent deals on the table. Soria is maybe our only game changer besides untouchable Zack. I would guess that people tried to lowball us on Bannister or Teahen, as the Royals have a history of giving players away in a season like this.
Coming into the season, Meche & Soria probably were the greatest bait, but Meche was injured, and Soria has also been. It would take a monster deal to give Joakim up and I don’t think it was offered.
On some of the bigger players, standing pat may have been the best thing to do even in the long term.
HOWEVER-We have somewhat of an excess of mediocre at best catching, and Olivo is probably at his peak trade value. It will only get worse from here, and if we are going to take a look at Pena anyway, we might as well have gotten something for Olivo, made do the rest of the year, and addressed catching in the offseason.
Cruz probably ruined any interest in him after the break, but I would have taken nearly anything for Mahay, called up Davies to start and moved Chen to the bullpen.
I doubt there was any interest, but I would have taken a 12 pack for Jacobs at this point.

Is it safe?

by KHAZAD on Jul 31, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

totally agree on Olivo (or Buck)

dump one of them for …anything

I’m coming to agree with the folks who think we should completely blow up this team. Trade all our highest value guys and start all over.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Jul 31, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bannister

I’m pretty sure Bannister’s “Christianity” has jack squat to do with whether he’s a good pitcher.

by RyanD on Aug 1, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Pretty Sure

His photography has a lot to do with whether or not he makes a good picture.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 1, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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