Royals Acquire Ryan Freel For Some Reason
by royalsreview on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 AM EDT
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The Royals have acquired Ryan Freel for a player to be named later. Or a player to be revealed later today, I'm not sure.
ed. update: The AP is reporting that the Royals will also receive cash to offset a portion of Freel's salary.
Um, ok.
There's a school of thought that all out of nowhere trades such as this should be first taken as a sign of future moves. Given Freel's gritty gamer utilityman soul of baseball made of winning reputation however, can you really be so sure?
Freel, who signed a two-year deal with the Reds in 2008, was traded to Baltimore this off-season. Freel was praised up and down as a great character guy, glue guy, etc. Two months later he was unhappy with his lack of playing time in Maryland and was traded to the Cubs for next to nothing.
Ryan Freel is not a bad player, but he is not exactly good either. He has, or had, a reputation as a good hitter, which doesn't quite hold up. He can play a variety of positions and has a career OPS+ (JoePo's trendy new stat!) of 89. He has been an above average hitter once: in 2003 when he was, 27. Funny how that works
His defensive stats, however, have not been terribly impressive since 2006. The defensive stats for Freel are hazy, since he's played so many positions so irregularly for so many years. In general, I would say that he's probably still good at second base, and varying shades of non-horrible bad everywhere else.
He was a decent OBP-based guy until sometime around 2005. In 2009, I'm not sure he's a real asset, especially given his recent health problems, for an American League team.
So here we are.
Soon, Trey will have the opportunity to gaze into these eyes.
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because 1 rec turns it green
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your comment makes me think that perhaps you're not freeling the excitement
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Feel The
Excrement.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just under the impression that it took 5...
like fanposts moving to the recommended section.
by stlfan on Jul 6, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i unrec you st louis fan
may your comment turn a hideous color of your choosing.
where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!
by blue bandwagon on Jul 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would also say this means a deal for Bloomy may be in the works
thus, mixed emotions
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is Ross Gload all over again
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Jul 6, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good ole Ross "Pigeon Toed" Gload
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 6, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
freel>gload, numbers wise
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 6, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
gload>freel, moxie wise
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you
obviously havent seen some highlight FREELS….
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
I just thought that he was such a magnificent exemplar of grit-traits as to be unreachable by mere mortal ballplayers. But, I guess if Freel knows how to play the game the right way then our team just got tremendously better. With 25 Bloomies, we can’t lose.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 7, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
25 bloomies would be better
then what they have now lol last nights game was pretty good
3-4 with a triple, and homer? not to mention a .280+ avg isn t really that bad, its better then Guillens and Jacobs, and Jacobs did go deep last night as well
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 6 seasons as a Red, Freel was traded
to Baltimore Dec. 9 and then was traded by Baltimore to Chicago May 8 (for Joey Gathright, of all people). Now traded by the Cubs to the Royals July 6.
Predict the next item in this sequence: 6 years, 5 months, 8 weeks.
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye Luis!
Teflon Tony will never leave us
Oh yeah
Freel gained some notoriety in August of 2006 when The Dayton Daily News reported that Freel talks to an imaginary voice in his head named Farney. Said Freel: “He’s a little guy who lives in my head who talks to me and I talk to him. That little midget in my head said, ‘That was a great catch, Ryan,’ I said, ‘Hey, Farney, I don’t know if that was you who really caught that ball, but that was pretty good if it was.’ Everybody thinks I talk to myself, so I tell ‘em I’m talking to Farney.” Freel later said that Farney’s name arose from a conversation with Reds trainer Mark Mann: “He actually made a comment like, ‘How are the voices in your head?’ We’d play around and finally this year he said, ’What’s the guy’s name?’ I said, ’Let’s call him Farney.’ So now everybody’s like, ‘Run, Farney, run’ or ‘Let Farney hit today. You’re not hitting very well.’”
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Freel can talk to the real Farny!
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Wonder If
The voices in Zack’s head will talk to him too.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that happens, i imagine the conversation will be centered around burritos and Brad Pit
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't For Jen
And lawnmowers.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For=Forget
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So another corner infielder with no significant power who is weak against LH pitching?
Get excited.
Am I totally wrong or is my sarcasm warranted?
Unless this means Jake or Guillen (and their salaris) are gone, that would kind of rock my world.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know what the Cubs need?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 6, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zack, Of Course
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Appears To
Be a slightly older, I hope less expensive, Sporqie.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a Minute
We got Freel, not even a week after we got that black Japanes pitcher whose name I can’t recall???
We’re really going for it all this year huh?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Future Looks
Bright indeed.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph isn't a Black Japanese Pitcher
he was born at Okinawa, so i’d imagine he had a parent in the military.
Granted, if his mom was Japanese, then you’d be correct
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You knew who I was talking about
That was my only point.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I CALLED IT!
http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/7/2/935462/where-do-the-royals-go-from-here#17710590
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
That call was for a “two-year deal”. Can we still hope that won’t come to pass?
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on to that feeeeelin' !
Yeah, we’ll see how long that’ll last.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how long Dayton will be Freelin’ in the years.
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hooked on a Freelin'!
Ooga-chukka, ooga-chukka!
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey here's an idea, why dont you use your powers for good...
such as, in a coup the Royals acquire Hanley Ramirez
Nothing from Nothing leads to... Your 2009 Kansas City Royals
by averagegatsby on Jul 6, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or
In a stunning move, Albert Pujols says he feels sorry for the Royals not drafting him and decides to play out the rest of his career in KC for the league minimum to bring baseball back to this godforsaken cowtown.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course then...
he would just blow out his ACL,PCL,MCL and Achilles tendon all at the same time, causing him to fall down hit his head on something hard and making him a vegetable.
Nothing from Nothing leads to... Your 2009 Kansas City Royals
by averagegatsby on Jul 6, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Still Be
An upgrade at SS.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our training staff would ask him to play through it.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
by 306008 on Jul 6, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jacobs does need a platoon partner
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soren Petro
And I quote, “Someone want to try & figure this move out?”
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either
Freel has never played for the Braves. WTF????
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he mis-read the caption on this image:
Cincinnati Reds’ Ryan Freel steals third base as Atlanta Braves third baseman Chipper Jones applies the late tag in the sixth inning a baseball game in Atlanta, Saturday, May 3, 2008.
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Something must be brewing
As far as I can tell, he is out of options. So he has to go on the roster. And unless someone is leaving, it’s just a pointless, pointles move.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's Replacing Tugger
So BPJ=DFA
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be absolutely ridiculous
let’s hope that we can move somebody first
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 6, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sarcasm Font
Challenged.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm confused
when did he play for the Braves?
by The #1 Bockel on Jul 6, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want us
to field an entire lineup of light-hitting gritty sub-optimal middle infielders:
LF Callaspo
CF Spork
RF Freel
3B Luis Hernandez
SS TPJ
2B Tugger
1B Gload
C Jason Larue
Can someone look up what the expected runs scored for that lineup would be?
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 6, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Callaspo, Hernandez and TPJ are not white. So they can’t be gritty.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! "Expected Runs"
That would be impossible to calculate as you’d have to divide by 0 at some point!
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 6, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just looked it up....
and its about .23 more a games than we have this year.
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has to point to
a pending move of Teahen and/or Bloomy and/or Olivo/Buck/Brayan.
Basically, as it stands now, we have to DFA B. Pena, who we almost certainly will lose this time.
If this turns into a trade of Brayan Pena for Ryan fucking Freel, I’m done.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can walk too if he clears waivers
And who could blame him?
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B Pena has done nothing but good for the Royals
I don’t understand how they could do that. Luis Hernandez or TPJ have to go, as we have 3 guys that can play SS right now. We don’t need the unholy trio of Luis/TPJ/Bloomers. Send Luis packing.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what
the royals really need another fan to not go to games….wait they dont exist now do they?
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This One, Perhaps
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 7, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see
this is what gives most royals fans a bad name, and still is one of the worst cities to come to, to watch baseball…you sir have no class
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freel has played CF before
I think this is the move to replace Crisp.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
touche
that is a possibility. Maier still has options doesn’t he?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UZR/150 for Freel in CF
2003 28.9
2004 -5.0
2005 3.4
2006 15.9
2007 -7.4
2008 -2.4
2009 -75.3 (1 game)
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2006 and 2007
he logged 400+ innings in CF
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, you are telling me he fits right in
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like he's probably an average CF
That is of course assuming average is 0. I’m not exactly sure how UZR/150 works.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything to not just play DDJ in CF
anything
by royalsreview on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the Cubs dump this 33 yr old guy after 14 games and acquire a new younger (albeit 28) for a A pitcher. Why didn’t we just skip this step and pick up the guy the Cubs are getting from CO earlier? Oh well. Always good to have another utility man.
from here:
12:07pm: In a corresponding move, the Cubs designated Ryan Freel for assignment, according to a team press release. Freel, 33, put up an OPS of .369 in 14 games for the Cubs.
11:27am: ESPN.com’s Bruce Levine reports that the Rockies receive right-hander Alberto Alburquerque, who was pitching in A ball for the Cubs. The 23-year-old has struck out 44 and allowed 40 baserunners in nearly 35 innings pitched this year.
8:41am: The Cubs acquired Jeff Baker from the Rockies, according to Yahoo Sports. It’s unclear what the Rockies will receive in exchange for the infielder. Baker, 28, has played in just 12 games this year for Colorado, but he posted a respectable .791 OPS in over 100 games last year. He’s played all four corner positions in his five-year career, but he’s played mostly at second base.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does Freel still play good corner OF defense?
That would make some sense, if we’re dumping Guillen, at least short-term.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We did get $$ in the deal too
Maybe the Cubs gave us $12 Million so we can just drop JoGui?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since 2006, everything goes down big time
he’s below average in LF and average to below in RF
by royalsreview on Jul 6, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate when moore trades for dudes that are DFA'd
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One man's trash is another man's...
grit.
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, doesn't the phrase go "one man's trash
is a future royal?"
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fortunately, Royals trash
is a future White Sox bullpen arm.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Man's Trash
Is another man’s trash, he just doesn’t know it.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could be a turning point in the Dayton Moore era
Ryan Freel both gets on base at an above average rate (not this year though…) and is NOT a former Brave.
Have those two things ever happend at the same time before?
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but i think this enables moore to trade teahen for a brave or two
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yuniel escobar?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
by 306008 on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet his WAR says something else
2003 1.1
2004 2.5
2005 2.2
2006 3.9
2007 -.2
2008 0.0
2009 -.5
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he went from full timer in 2006
to 1/2 time in 2007
to 1/4 time in 2008
to 0 so far in ’09.
Maybe he just needs regular playing time?
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Freel is Willie Bloomquist only
Freel once had the ability to hit, and Bloomquist doesn’t. Freel has a tolerable batting eye, and Willie doesn’t.
I wouldn’t mind a bench with Freel on it. But I’d like having a Ryan Freel when he’s 30, and not a Ryan Freel when he’s 33
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
According to the Royals press release
He will join the team tomorrow, when a roster move will be made.
The suspense!
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
I don’t think Brayan can be the PTBNL in a Freel deal.
We’ll probably give the Cubs a random shrub, like Raines Jr, Thorman, or someone like that
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can be, in theory
The only rule for PTBNL’s is that it is sorted in 6 months and the player has to change league. Hence it is usually minor leaguers. But Brayan would change league…
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure that
someone on our 25 man can’t be a PTBNL?
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
I get almy transaction rules here:
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Kietzman is discussing Jeff Zimmerman’s (TucsonRoyal) study on DL time. Good props for Jeff.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit Batman
Actually, if the what I hear from the mice are correct the WSJ (paper print) should run something any day now.
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 6, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should throw a link out there for those who haven't read it
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask and you shall recieve
3 general ones
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/4/896616/dissecting-the-disabled-list-by
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/11/901029/disabled-list-database-going-under
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/17/910492/follow-up-appointment-with-the
Royal Specific
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/23/910426/kansas-city-royals-disabled-list
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buck is back tonight, no idea on Gordon
Tug Huber got demoted in preparation for Buck’s return
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to guess what happens with our catching situation?
Dealing Olivo would be nice…Brayan wouldn’t clear waivers again, and he deserves more at bats, especially in this black hole of an offense.
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Miggy not still Zack's personal catcher?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To my knowledge......
Buck was supposed to be back during the Chicago series but wasnt so my guess would be tonight or really soon. Gordon, from the looks of it, should return after the all star break
by 2LegittoShit on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
Was 2-4 with 4 RBI for NWA last night. Only played 6 innings though.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, this deal would not foreclose
the other rumored deal (or interest) for Escobar right? DM would not see Freel becoming our SS right?
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
put it past him to send Buck to the Cubs and Freel to start catching every day. But maybe it could be Miggy the Great.
I know, that’s a further-fetched idea than most of the more logical approaches that could be taken, but why would we not deal a backstop for yet another utility infielder?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops I meant Freel to start SS everyday
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Freel has never played MLB SS for one
Even Dayton isn’t that dumb. I think…
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would ATL play at SS if they dealt Escobar?
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freel has never played shortstop at the major league level.
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freel has never played SS in MLB
so hopefully not.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Question/Thought....
How could ron mahay be so important to the team last year and now he almost never pitches (esp in high leverage situations)?
by 2LegittoShit on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freel has to be a precursor to a Teahen trade, right????
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright! Teahen for Frenchy!
If that’s the deal I will never go to a Royals game again. I am dead serious.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Frenchy and Escobar?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 6, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's passable.
Teahen may have less power than Frenchy, but I’d rather he played RF. With Escobar, I would be happy I think. Especially if Guillen is thrown in. We’d have to send them a SS though. Maybe they want TPJ back? I’m sure he could have a 0 OPS+ in the NL.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, c'mon.
Frenchy just has never been slotted into the correct spot in the lineup to be able to hit effectively. Hillman knows how to solve that.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot the sarcasm font kabrink
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 6, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant no sarcasm whatsoever..
Frenchy just has never been slotted into the correct spot in the lineup to be able to hit effectively. Hillman knows how to solve that.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
precursor
to a Teahen trade makes sense – but if that is true, isn’t it most likely that they will trade Teahen for a shortstop? Remember, Gordon is coming back, thus Freel would be used in the super utility role once envisioned for Teahen at the start of the season.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Jul 6, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Freel is the new CF
Bloomy is our utility guy as is Teahen with Gordon back. Though I bet Gordon DHs for a little while at least.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Freel is the new CF
then he has to replace either Maier or Guillen on the roster. Maier looks more likely to go back to Omaha right now than Guillen going anywhere.
by rph on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
The Royals have so many spare parts with Gordon coming back, that Teahen, Bloomy, and Freel are capable of playing most positions. So while I would love to see Guillen gone, I would settle for Luis Hernandez or TPJ. Bloomy can hold down SS (though he is terrible there), with TPJ or Luis as defensive replacement for later innings.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants, Red Sox and Angels most likely candidates
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/edes-latest-giants-teahen-relievers.html
Cubs were on the list, but I think they got their man in Baker. We’ll probably try to trade with the Giants — maybe something like Eugenio Velez/John Bowker and a pitching prospect (hopefully Hinshaw).
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the beauty of that link is this nugget:
The Braves “might be inclined to take a look at” Jose Guillen.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Only Way
The Braves might consider trading for Hoagy is if they don’t take a look at him and just blindly trade for him.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to Callaspo, Velez is a defensive downgrade at 2B. Do not want.
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
velez sucks across the board
this was a prediction more than a wishlist
by marbotty on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen to the Giants
Straight up for Affeldt. Lets try to bring back all of Allards boys!
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so Freel is (pick one)
- the new Maier
- the new Teahen
- an extra Sporq, hold the shortstop
by 2X2L on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, he's definitely the fastest guy on the team.
so that’s something. we have a spectacular pinch runner now.
by Bart41 on Jul 6, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple of points
First, the Royals site says that it’s the Cubs receiving “cash considerations” not the Royals. Which sounds odd – I hope that it’s the other way around as stated above.
Second, it could be that Freel is replacing Bloomy’s original role. As it stands now, whenever Bloomy has to cover a position other than SS, TPJ or “the other one” HAS to be in the lineup. I guess that this move means that Willie is our SS, and Freel covers the other positions as needed. This will hopefully reduce and/or eliminate TPJ/Hernandez playing time.
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only way I believe that is if TPJ and Hernandez aren't with the team.
by Bart41 on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm with you
i don’t trust hillman to not play them
by benfunke on Jul 6, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the royals get money
The cash considerations from the Cubs are expected to cover part of Freel’s reported $4 million salary
by royalsreview on Jul 6, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so....
That would also mean that Mr. Kaegel has it wrong. From his article on the Royals site:
Infielder-outfielder Ryan Freel was obtained by the Royals from the Chicago Cubs on Monday in exchange for a player to be named later and cash considerations.
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 6, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then...
at the bottom of the article it says the cash is from the Cubs…..strange wording at the beginning makes it sound like its the other way around…
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those quotes are from the same article
Kaegel didn’t necessarily take a logic course in college. I think the cash considerations part is separate, but when read correctly it should mean something else.
(Infielder-outfielder Ryan Freel was obtained by the Royals from the Chicago Cubs on Monday in exchange for a player to be named later) and cash considerations.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bold Prediction: Teahen is bye-bye by tonight, Freel plays 3B until Gordon comes back
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I left out the part about the can't miss prospect we get for Teahen who doesn't pan out
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn and they just brought back the Mark Trahen show
back by popular demand!
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 6, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't wait for
the Joakim Soria Show to replace the Mark Teahen Show
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think prospect
I think package of Guillen, Teahan, TPJ for
Escobar and Frenchy
I imagine we eat Guillen’s salary, can we squeeze a bullpen pitcher out of that type of deal?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 6, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Moore pulls that off, I'd be shocked.
by Bart41 on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any trade idea involving TPJ is a total joke
KC is the only team sad enough to have him. I can just hear that conversation:
DM: “How about if we threw in TPJ”
other GM: (uncontrollable laughter)
10 minutes pass
other GM: (finally stops laughing)
DM: I was serious
(click)
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
Even if the other team’s intent in acquiring TPJ was to use him on the grounds crew, or to sell beer, the mere fact of acquiring him at all would enrage that team’s fan base and cause heads to roll.
by Black and Gold on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you didn't
you mentioned Gordon
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't we just re-acquire Esteban German then?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since Freel doesn't play SS
does that mean that Hillman will bury him on the bench for 3 weeks?
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 6, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we got him for a player to be named Tony Pena
by Royal Revival on Jul 6, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I thought the "P" in PTBNL stood for "Pena."
by Black and Gold on Jul 6, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be Bryan then.
bad move.
DH: Where's the party!
Danny: David Howard and Mike Sweeney! Go away! Guys, you're gonna wake up my Mom!
by David Howards Legacy on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling that something huge was going to happen today.
So you can imagine my disappointment when I got back to my office and saw this.
by Black and Gold on Jul 6, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I want Alberto Albuerquerque
on my team….but not Peter Portland,
Oscar Omaha, or Sal Sacramento….
by Gload on Jul 6, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
OK, Hoagy, Teahen
Bloomquist and Hernandez to ATL for Escobar and Francoeur. BPJ Becomes the starting LF.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All of the trade suggestions in this thread are too logical to happen.
I predict something completely pointless, like one of our (many) spare parts for some other team’s spare parts, with several spare parts to be named later. The new spare parts will allow the Royals marketing team to gin up fan interest by issuing press releases with all kinds of fascinating information, such as how one of the new spare parts is one of only 5 players in MLB history to hit two doubles in one game off of a pitcher named “Wesley.”
by Black and Gold on Jul 6, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have actual photographic proof that one of the in game scoreboard "highlights" for TPJ said:
“Entered Sunday’s game as defensive replacement”. Coincidentally, that was the first time he dropped under .100.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Friday night's scoreboard for Luis Hernandez said:
“Hit his first career MLB home run on September 27, 2007”
What it failed to mention was that he hasn’t hit a MLB home run since in 135 ABs.
by Tito42 on Jul 6, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is awesome.
I almost feel bad for the people who have to come up with positive snippets for this team. There should be one game a month where they are allowed to be completely honest.
“Can’t hit a lick.”
“Has no business being paid to play baseball.”
“Has possession of embarrassing photos of key front office personnel.”
by Black and Gold on Jul 6, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I went ahead and posted the pic, the world should know of its awesomeness:
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally,
Tony Pena is an anagram for Neat Pony
Also: To A Penny (as in, up to what salary would a competent GM pay him?)
by PopeSoria on Jul 6, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
because there are a lot of Wesley pitchers
in the AL Central.
Fuck This Team. Period.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one would surrender
to the dread pirate pitcher Wesley!
by BrRoyal on Jul 7, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is this a good move?
I’ll hold out on judgement until I see who goes in return….
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
by 306008 on Jul 6, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a minor leaguer, so hopefully a nobody, or I will shit a brick
But then again, that’s pretty much all we have.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
send them Yabuta
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
by 306008 on Jul 6, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
shuffing deck chairs
but seriously, this sounds to me like Teahen is going bye bye, and they got Freel to play 3B.
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by slayor on Jul 6, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
he plays 3B, Teahen to LF, DeJesus to CF, and Maier down to Omaha. Luis Hernandez covers third until Gordon gets called up. There’s always a way that TPJ stays on the roster.
by Tito42 on Jul 6, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TPj stays on the roster both ways
if he hasn’t gone by now, he ain’t goin. Luis hernandez is as good or better defensively, switch hitter, hits better, and TPJ is sitll on the roster. mind boggling
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by slayor on Jul 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is going to be a defensive sub in the late innings for the other no hit SS?
We NEED them BOTH!
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wonder
what kind of post RR is going to put up the day that TPJ is finally gone. I can’t even imagine. It shall be EPIC, though.
Seeking inspiration to fill this space...
by KCsince88 on Jul 6, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Odds are this site won’t even be running when he retires in 2017.
by kansasjhawk044 on Jul 6, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Came over here from Bleed Cubbie Blue...
…and I’m a grad student @ KU. Was at the games Friday & Saturday.
This deal makes no friggin’ sense, unless you guys are moving Teahen, I agree. Freel is just plain weird, as is Farney, his imaginary friend. Good luck.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 6, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Farney was pretty chill
I agree it makes no sense. even if we are dealing Teahen or one of the corner OF’ers, we could use one of the players we already have, such as Hernandez
by benfunke on Jul 6, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I think they're getting him to play CF
Otherwise, they do have a lot of other options.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as in starting over Maier?
Maier certainly is not particularly good, but is Freel better?
by benfunke on Jul 6, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more GRIT than Mitch?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you put it past Dayton?
I don’t think that question even matters, since I don’t think they consider Mitch a starter.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i realize i'm preaching to the choir
but who knows who they consider a starter? and would we trust them if we did know? (No)
by benfunke on Jul 6, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news:
SIDNEY PONSON HAS A DRINKING BUDDY!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 6, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ponson's buddy gets the hotter level of chickage.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check what out?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay the difference here is that
Thir Thidney is hanging on the chick.
The other guy is getting hung onto by the chick.
Major difference.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but agreed this chick is hotter
she has that ‘tolerating the uncle creepy’ look on her face, and she is flying solo, while the other pic contains a complete squadron clearly in attack mode and enjoying themselves.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same chick same day same facial expression?
Maybe she’s another member of some obscure Royal Family?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sill cant figure out why Ryan Howard was there
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Sidney Ponson were to get healthy and go on a 10 start tear
he’d become a superhero here. The guy just looks like one of the bald drunk young men that everybody knows around here
Sidney is one perfect game away from becoming a poor man’s David Wells
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I interpret the look to be more of a
Yeah this second string hottie is squeezing my chest. BOOM. roasted.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay girls tell me which one you'd tap...
new guy
fat guy
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they novitiate monks at the Shoalin Gungfu Institute?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that Reid Johnson?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops my bad
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could this be a deal where we got Freel +$$
and he is on the way somewhere else for someone else?
I know, it would be stupid because if he was on the way to somewhere else why didn’t that deal just ‘get made’ without him coming through our organization?
But, the PTBNL may already have a name, and it’s Mark Teahan someone the Cubs are interested in, that they can’t get anywhere else, so they deal for him through us and we’ve got a replacement Teahan player that we can deal along with some other PTBNL minor league prospects or dead wieght high salary guys Jose Guillen &/or Mike Jacobs for some COF impact bat?
Wait a minute with the way we think suck at thinking here, Freel may have already been considered the immediate impact COF bat, and a good deal for replacing TUGGER, and that’s all that’s going to happen.
Not likely.
This speculation could go on and on and on, but the common thread will be the fact that the offensive suckage non-production from our SS losers roster-spot fillers will continue. MORE TPJ and TPJJ NOW!
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What did you say?
Bloomquist. God? Or just an illusion? You be the judge.
by focs on Jul 6, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lots of sarcasm
that’s all
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Cogan
“Honey, the Royals traded for Ryan Freel”.
Mrs. Cogan- “Oh, he’s good, I’ve heard of him…what position does he play?”
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 6, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more accurate question would be "What position doesn't he play?"
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Designated Driver
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 6, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that would be Alberto Callaspo
oops I’m in trouble now
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I thought might happen.
I’m gonna go sit with Rany in the “Penalty Box”
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need more versatility
Willie Ballgame, Teahen, and Freel on the same roster just are not enough. i can’t wait for mark derosa to blow out his ACL so we can acquire him a year later.
It’s also cool to carry three catchers at the same time. No problem with that one, as long as you only play two of them.
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Jul 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah why can't we think outside the box
and let the DH hit for our SS instead of our pitcher?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does ZacKKKKKKKKKK have more extra base hits per PA than all our SS's (minus Spork) ?
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because that's against the rules
DH is ONLY for pitcher in MLB.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well B Pena can actually play a little OF if I remember correctly
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah and Mithc was originally drafted as a catcher, and Jacobs can catch too!!!
mass versatility is obviously the answer.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 6, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Suggested Starting
BPJ in LF after we trade Teahen and Hoagy and acquire Frenchy. How bad could he be?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't kill the move...the guy has a .355 OBP
I still don’t get the “lets make fun of the NL” comments. Didn’t we split with Pitt and Houston eventhough Greinke pitched twice? Didn’t we lose a series to Arizona and St Louis and then again get swept by St Louis?
If this guy can put it together I’d much rather see him play CF than Maier. I hope this isn’t a precursor to a Teahen deal unless we get Escobar. Why is he available though. I heard his arm isn’t any good and he’s a headcase (he once cursed out the official scorer for charging him with an error or something)
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your argument for the NL
Is that we couldn’t beat them.
Thats like calling a 13 year old girl tough because an 8 year old boy couldn’t kick her ass
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mike Jacobs hit 32 dingers in the NL in a bigger park last year
CASE CLOSED
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the AL is a considerably stronger league
I don’t know why you are so reluctant to see this
by royalsreview on Jul 6, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(former?) Mets fan
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Jul 6, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say
its because the AL has considerably larger payrolls
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this probably has quite a bit to do with it.
Doesn’t change the fact though.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
by Warden11 on Jul 7, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOPE
but the smaller markets means they cant keep bigtime players…we should know that already,(Carlos Beltran, Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon,) just to name a few
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which
obviously means that the league suffers in the long run, as well as divisions that have smaller market teams…not everyone is savvy in the FO either like the Rays were last season
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jul 7, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you criticize me for never using stats
nice post….no backup whatsover. Like many on here, you don;’t have to use stats to make a point. But its pretty contradictory to make a statement like that without any stats.
All Star game? Sample Size
World Series? Bigger Sample Size
Inter-league play??? Not a level playing field
I like Destroyer’s comment below. I need to look into that.
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was directed at royalsreview
“the Al is a considerably stronger league don’t know why you don’t see it” post
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about interleague isn't a level playing field?
And there’s so much evidence out there right now that the AL is better, no one should really have to cite specific instances at this point.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen one shred of evidence
The NL doesn’t have a DESIGNATED POWER HITTER HITTING 4th or 5th in the lineup….. that’s why AL pitchers are better they are conditioned against stronger lineups. Or maybe they are just better and are paid accordingly (the salary argument is a good one, the AL teams pay their players more and starting ptichers get a huge cut, plus they don’t even hit)
Or lets give every National League team 8-10 million dollars to spend on a designated hitter for the year so they don’t have to resort to using some dumb backup or 4th OF to DH for 20 games.
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
The pitcher “conditioning” gem again.
Are you going to back that up this time?
by kcbottom9th on Jul 7, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it's called "experience"
i forgot you need empirical evidence on this board….let me consult someone with a PHD in sabermetrics
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sorry
I din’t know you were a former Major League pitcher. A special type that needed a rest every 2 innings by pitching to a pitcher, because you weren’t conditioned.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 7, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh sorry
I assumed you understood the definition. Why would you think I used the word conditioning, meaning fitness??? , “conditioned” as in accustomed or established behavior.
Think Pavlov’s dogs if you ever took a psychology course
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mental rest
It’s tough being a pitcher, and pitching to batters. I know it’s their job and all, but when you add an extra batter in the lineup it is just so damn hard. They lose their focus, their command, their velocity. Everything, dealing with another batter like the 8 others they face.
They need that mental conditioning to pitch to the DH.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 7, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what you're trying to say
or why you’re joking. Go ask Sabathia and Santana. What a coincidence, the two years they pitched in the NL they had the best stats of their careers in 2008.
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that some evidence that shows the AL being a tougher league?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
by Warden11 on Jul 7, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, using one game or six games is the same as using literally thousands of games over the last 6 years
by royalsreview on Jul 7, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
working on it now
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes man I can add win's and losses
The AL beats the NL at a healthy margin
I’m just trying to understand why. I’m tired of “the NL is AAA, ahahahahah” comments, especially when we got our asses kicked by the NL this year, with Greinke pitching in more than 20% of the matchups
What is a bigger advantage. The NL, with their pitcher’s batting and their wealth of hitting experience over AL pitchers? Or the AL, with teams built around their DH’s power in the middle of the order over a 4th outfielder?
Hafner, Matsui, Thome, Ortiz, Guerro have average salaries of 12 million…Blalock & Burrell make like 7 million, guys like Griffey, Cust, Jacobs make 2-3 million. The NL can’t carry players like that to insert in their lineup during interleague
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they can. There are plenty of "replacement level minor leauge DH's" they could use.
Cost of AAA contract, and can hit like an average major leauge hitter but can’t play a postion. Its silly that the NL can’t have a fair DH and make the talent level between an average AL DH and a NL DH more or less meaningless for 20 games. They could even draft a few college players that can do that in the later rounds, who will sign with you because you will give them a major leauge contract, then and you can play him for 3 years the way the options work. Then trade them to the AL, for a comparable NL style player. It is stupid to use that as an excuse.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Jul 7, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, the Marlins made it work with Mike Jacobs!
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like many of our discussions we're probably oversimplifying this issue.
Or overcomplicating it. Look at us, we’ve got everyday players on our roster who hit with equal numbers (or worse) than NL pitchers. Maybe we ought to look around at the other teams in the AL and see if it’s true from team to team. I think unless everyone in the order is above .250/.300/.300 then there’s one spot in the order even in the AL that is comparable to the 9-hole hitter in the NL (pitcher).
The style of play is obviously different and we all know that, but in effect the NL managers have a more versatile “DH” concept in their application of situational offensive substitutions.
So I don’t know what the reason would be for the statistical superiority of American League pitching — or even if that’s what we’re looking at. Is is just team vs. team comparison? Or the recent historical dominance in the All-Star Game? Or just overall won-loss records in interleague play?
Is it market based? Chicago has both the White Sox and the Cubs. New York has Mets and Yankees. Los Angeles has Dodgers and effectively the Angels too. San Francisco has Giants and effectively A’s. (holding up three fingers) Out of the thirty… THIRTY major league organizations, what percentage of each league occupies major markets? Are there more ‘major market’ teams in the AL that have more $$ to spend?
I think there are too many questions to be answered to simply say that AL is tougher than NL because AL has the DH.
The NL can’t carry players like that to insert in their lineup during interleague
I’m in agreement with that. I do think though that they carry players like that and insert them in games regularly in offensive substitutions, but more often those guys that get inserted are more versatile types that get contact-hits and bunts rather than just long-balls.
I would even go so far as to have Thome on my 25-man roster in the NL for $12M and I’d probably have a defensive negative at 1B, but would that come out in the wash with the offensive positive? So if he gets tired and has to have an extra off-day per week, my league minimum utility guy can give him that day off, but if that guy comes to the plate in the 7th or 8th and I’m down by a run with someone on base no matter how many outs, my “Thome” is coming to the plate.
Lord, I was born a rambling man, and here I go again.
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by BillyMojo on Jul 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the NL are females and the AL is males
so is the DH a penis?
I don’t really follow. I think since guys like Manny and Santana crossed over the leagues are comparable. I’ll admit there are better pitchers in the AL. But I don’t see much of a difference. Watch the NL win the All Star game this year
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is in an NL park, so no DH
means the NL should be able to hold their own. The AL will still win.
by AxDxMx on Jul 6, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they did hold their own
Inter-league play was even until the last sunday of games:
Overall: AL 129 – NL 108 – Rain 1
AL Parks: AL 69 – NL 50 – Rain 0
NL Parks: AL 60 – NL 58 – Rain 1
Like I said before, the AL clubs spend more money on average than the NL clubs….that’s the best answer I’ve heard and I’m persuaded…but it’s a lot closer than many on this board want to admit
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinknig of doing a little write up on this
how close is it?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh, sorry -- short version now
Didn’t mean to post that without a bit of preliminary data.
from 2005 through 2009 (only seasons I could find run-diff info for), interleague overall record is Al over NL, 713-546. Over 1259 games, that’s a winning percentage of .566 for the AL (the run differential is even more in the ALs favor, but that another story.
Over a 162 game season, a .566 team wins about 92 games. .Which means the other team win 70.
Again, that’s a 1259 game sample size…
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holding their own in 2009
the AL won again with a .546 win%, , like an 88 win team versus a 74 win team
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would winning one game with a bunch of people that
usually don’t play together not trying their hardest prove?
by The #1 Bockel on Jul 6, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gobble
Learn how to hit the REPLY button
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by GoBabies!! on Jul 6, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Freel has been battling a strained hamstring...
can we just put him on the DL?
by stuckinstl12 on Jul 6, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haven't you got the routine YET?!?!?!?!
No, we have to rest him for 2 days, play him for 2 days, after he says it still hurts rest him for 2 more days, play him for 3 and send him on a few stolen base attempts, rest him for 2, play him again at which point his hamstring rips in 2 and the recoil thereby shreds his achilles tendon into a frayed mass of 342 separate fibriles. He never returns to organized baseball.
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by kabrink on Jul 6, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Really Know
Your stuff.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 7, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one has mentioned that the Orioles
Thought that Joey Gathright would be worth more than Freel?