It Isn't Fun Anymore
Royals lose, but I'll go to my grave remembering Ryan Freel drawing that catcher's interference.
You know what could be fun? Someone finding the blandest, least interesting, most old school MLB writer around and seeing if he wrote a column around 2005 on throwback players or guys who play the right way or somesuch. It might be a good way to see who our next new Royal will be.
The terrifying thing about being a Royals fan is that you have no idea what rock bottom is. You spend two years hating Angel Berroa, so the team gives you Tony Pena Jr.
When the Freel trade went down, everyone went out of their way to say it was a sign of a future trade. Why? Was signing St. Willie in the winter a sign of anything? Was trading for Ross Gload a sign of anything? Dayton passed on the chance to trade Mark Grudzielanek three times. Here on Tony Pena Jr. celebration day, I think we need to stop assuming there's a smart move around the corner.
The decisions we're seeing are getting worse. We began, sometime around the 2007 off-season, at "hmm, not the move I would have made, but I can see the thinking behind it". Then, we had about a year of, "this is a dumb move, the justifications we're seeing are all bad ones" in varying shades. Now, we're at a fully psychotic level. It's not even bad anymore, it's... it's on some level that almost outside any realm of thought. Or, if you find that too frightening, it's as if the leadership team is behaving like an increasingly drunk and vindictive spouse: they thought that was bad, wait til they see this, she was mad at me for checking out the waitress, so now I'm gonna obnoxiously flirt with her too.
There's an arrogance on display in Kansas City. An unfounded arrogance.
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starting lineup for tomorrow
v. Luke French (LHP)
DeJesus (LF)
Bloomquist (RF)
Butler (1B)
Teahen (3B)
Jacobs (DH)
Olivo ©
Callaspo (2B)
Freel (CF)
Pena (SS)
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, "Luke French?"
sounds like DET has been drafting off MLB The Show or something
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much fun
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between Freel and other players
when Freel faceplants on a dive, Farney is there telling him that he made a good shot at the ball
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine how good TPJ would be if
he had a voice in his head pushing him forward
BTW
TPJ: 4 for 45
Freel: 6 for 55
But I think Freelgood had a walk, his 7th or 8th of the year. So he sucks at hitting, but he has a good eye
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's about as down as I've heard Trey sound in a post game interview.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he'll just quit....ddayton wont fire him
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone get a MILF
to speed this process up
same applies to TPJ
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you tell the difference?
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 7, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I don't know about the rest of you...
But I had some fun.
Listening to the normally quite impartial Denny Mathews sarcastically spit out the words “High for a Ball” practically every pitch after DDJ struck out was a comedic gold mine…as was Jamies description that that pitch would have been a strike…50 years ago.
I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT
by RoyalPug on Jul 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know how not fun it is?
today i made a dwayne bowe highlight reel. sigh
stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop! stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop!
by greinke23 on Jul 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fun not so much...
and it doesnt even sound that time consuming
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no guys!
bowes a beast, but watching the royals limp around isnt.
i broke up with baseball today. already. dammit.
stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop! stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop!
by greinke23 on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I get it now
I almost feel the same way
by royalsreview on Jul 7, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, what did treysama say in the postgame?
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by slayor on Jul 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you really care?
if so, nothing intelligent…nothing extremely dumb though either
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Chen left too many change-ups over the heart of the plate.
Started out good against Verlander and then he figured it out for a bit.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great line.
The terrifying thing about being a Royals fan is that you have no idea what rock bottom is. You spend two years hating Angel Berroa, so the team gives you Tony Pena Jr.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It really is something
That Pena has been bad enought to lose the “Well, at least we don’t have Berroa anymore” goodwill, which is the only thing that gave him value for a year and a half or so. I wouldn’t say anything as crazy as “I wish we still had B-error-a instead”…but I almost would.
Yeah, it was a stupid screen name.
by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 7, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when we said
Get rid of Berroa and dump him for someone who can at least field – we don’t care how he hits!!!
Well that’s exactly what we got.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"For all the talk of Tony Pena's historically bad bat, I don't hear too much complaining about that +17 UZR season he put up two years ago."
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farny is the source of this arrogance
How does one do a “voice”-otomy? I fear he may not be the source of grit. I mean has St. Willie said anything about his comically named buddy voice?
Not too sure about this ‘voice’ guy. But Freel free to voice your opinion, just make sure it’s yours not the one in your head.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 7, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to stop assuming there’s a smart move around the corner.
Didn’t most of us reach that point sometime between the Jacobs trade and the Farnsworth signing?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 7, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When does "Bloomquist" start being used as a verb around here?
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's "Bloomers". I've
Seen his act for over 5 years up here in Sailorboy land.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 8, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could almost squint and see something in the Jacobs deal
I know, you had to really squint.
No one really saw anything useful from the Farnsworth (or HoRam) signings and that’s when things went south
by sterlingice on Jul 8, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm giving Dayton Moore until July 30
Before I make my final impression of him and Trey. Not that I believe he will do anything, but if we don’t see a trade that we as a consensus believe is a good move, then I agree we need to let loose the dogs.
by kansasjhawk044 on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hounds of Hell................have already been on notice
Currently in a holding pattern until…………..well, I think………………nope TPJ still on the roster…………..ummmmm…………..oh wait, maybe no one plans on actually releasing them.
Oh well at least the grass is greener where they are at.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to blow this up and go a new direction
Let’s get a new GM and owner if we can. Can we convince someone in KC to buy the Royals. David Glass is the baseball version of the Ford family. Big company, crappy sports team.
by Olentangy on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, I think I've come to realization
that this Royals building project Moore started when took over the team is going to top out at around a .500 team. Maybe a little bit more if we’re lucky. I’m starting to think we’re those mid-90s Twins teams that rebuild around players not good enough to build on.
Who’s our next GM? Bowden?
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 8, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote for the three-headed monster of
d_f, slayor and 2Legit :D
Seeking inspiration to fill this space...
by KCsince88 on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the next stage is for all of us to reasses the minor leagues and start asking if there's enough there to believe in
I don’t know what the answer is
the system was rated in the mid to low 20s during the final years of the baird era
by royalsreview on Jul 8, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not get to that point yet, right?
I keep hearing everyone acting like Hosmer and Moustakas are going to lead us to the promised land. But, frankly, I remember having better feelings about the Gordon/Butler tandem than I did of them. And I still don’t see any organizational positional depth, even at the low minors. It looks like a couple of big names and not much else in terms of hitters. I know that’s oversimplifying it a little, but look at this month’s prospect pulse. There’s the big 2, Bianchi regaining prospect status after floundering, and Kila- that’s about it. In the top 25, 15 are pitchers. That’s not a lot of position players to build around.
I’m not sure what the long term answer is. The big league team tops out at about .500. If you add a couple of the right pieces, we’re talking about a 90 game winning and challenger for a division title. I think we’d all take that here in KC. But I suppose our biggest problem right now is that GMDM is riding a C grade at best and falling so there’s no confidence he makes the right moves.
I know we’ve played this game a lot and the drum is getting tired from all the banging, but look at this past offseason- this could have been a whole different year. If we actually assume DDJ can play CF, we don’t trade RamRam for Crisp and spend that $5M. If we can sign Adam Dunn ($10M), we don’t trade Nunez for Jacobs ($3.5M). We definitely don’t sign Farnsworth ($4.5M). And, for the sake of argument, we don’t stupidly sign HoRam for reasons we still have yet to decipher. At this point, we’re $4M ahead and sign Orlando Hudson. And I’d even hope GMDM still would have signed Cruz because he really did look like such a bargain at that price, even tho he hasn’t lived up to it yet. How does a DDJ-Hudson-Butler-Dunn-Gordon-Guillen-Teahen-Callaspo-Buck team sound with the starting pitching and a much stronger bullpen?
Ok, I’m meandering and need sleep- but the point is this, we aren’t the far removed from that or any other reality. However, as we have seen the warts appear on GMDM, perceptions that he can actually right the ship have changed so suddenly and the direction the whole organization as a whole is now perceived negative as opposed to positive. But, in reality, our situation really hasn’t moved all that much.
by sterlingice on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the 15 are good, it's about time to start selling them off.
In the top 25, 15 are pitchers.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this year's draft
Didn’t improve matters at all. Of the top 10 picks, only 3 were position players—2 catchers and a 1B. After that, just a handful of lower ceiling college types were signed amongst the legion of pitchers. Hoping that international signing would be better (as that was what the organization said it would be due to the lack of depth in the draft), only 2 guys were signed. Granted, Cuthbert’s allegedly supposed to develop into a stud, but I would have liked to see something like 2007 when they signed 5 solid Dominican players for big (well, KC big) money.
Yeah, it was a stupid screen name.
by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 8, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we'd signed Hudson and Dunn
they would both be on the DL with initially misdiagnosed major injuries.
Yeah, it was a stupid screen name.
by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 8, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm flattered
but my first move would be to give myself a golden parachute, then form a committee made up of myself, JoPo, Neyer, Rany, and Dr. Thunder to hire a REAL Team President/GM, then fire myself with the parachute.
It would be best for everyone.
To mangle a phrase from Neyer, “I don’t acquire the players, I just make fun of the guy who does.”
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more I think about it
the more I’m only in it for the money
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Driveline pays that well?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's that line
(In know, Golden Showers)
Futurama?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was from the Simpsons when Homer became a god at the Indian
Nuclear Power plant
by Top Ramen on Jul 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thank you.
d_f might be a GM prospect, though….
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't You Forget
About Me

I’ll keep it grounded.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 8, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but we'd be afraid of hiring an Alaskan.
You might quit with two years left on your contract.
(jokes)
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Stayed At
Jobs longer than was good for me. That’s how I got where I am today.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the good thing
is that Bowden’s reputation is so shot that the Glasses know he’d be a terrible choice. It seems to me that Dayton Moore was a candidate in part because of his “rep” and that he could restore respectability to the organization, at least in the view of those “in the industry.” (I admit that’s speculation on my part). He’s certainly done some good stuff.
HE’s going to be around for a while, I think, unless the vicious KC media drives him away to another team that is begging to get a Braves guy to rebuild their Single-A.
ON the other hand, GMs do improve… Hey, Ned COlletti took a team to the playoffs. Pat GIllick did, somehow (despite kinda just living off the previous regimes stuff).
If we’re being realistic, who would be a good GM that the Glasses have heard of and to whom they would give similar autonomy? Does Friedman have the rep to recommend his cronies? Would the Glasses do that?
Personally, from traditional circle, I’d say Larry Beinfest… Running the Marlins is to GMing like Arrakis is to training warriors.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams has a ring and (how many?) div championships?
again: envying Kenny Williams = suicidial thoughts
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any more smart guys in Milwaukee?
I don’t keep up with GMing candidates… isn’t the Toronto player development guy supposed to be a good candidate?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've heard this song beforoe
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
good call
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I'm seeing it, though
The problem is that if any “reinforcements” start arriving from these last couple drafts, they’ll be right around the time that the current group of GOOD players will be hitting free agency. Gordon, Butler, DDJ, Teahen, etc., could all be gone before Moose Tacos makes it.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DDJ and Teahen will (or should be) gone for sure
I still think it’s reasonable to see Gordon as a 4 WAR player (I have “faith” he can be more), which is fine. Even then, it might be tough to keep him around past FA. But, hey, Dayton convinced Zack to stay on a good deal, and we should give him credit for that. Given BUtler’s defensive limitations, I see his upside as more like 3 — a good hitter, to be sure, but at 1B, well, 1Bs aren’t that valuable in general.
That won’t be enough — and this is why, some protestations to the contrary, being smart with FA and “minor” trades is important. Of the Tampa “core” — yes, Longoria was/is great, so is Upton. But Carlos Pena, Iwamura, Zobrist, Aybar, Gross, Navarro, Bartlett… these guys were F.A.T. or low-cost pickups or throw-ins. Obviously, they couldn’t have done it if Longoria, Upton and the pitchers hadn’t been great. But having those guys on the cheap was essential, too. And that has been, in my opinion, Dayton Moore’s biggest blind spot.
Again — Dayton Moore traded for Mike Jacobs and gave him $3M. Jack Z. got Branyan for $1.5M. Dayton traded for the corpse of Ryan Freel. Jack Z. got Ryan Langerhans, a league average player, for Mike Morse (an infield Shane Costa, at best).
That’s the thing.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget Branyan, the Madame Tussauds version of Ken Griffey Jr. is outperforming Jacobs
for $1 million and one middle reliever less. Jack Z also got offseason crush Franklin Gutierrez (2.7 WAR) plus other goodies (including their version of Coco in Endy Chavez and their version of Kila in 1B prospect Mike Carp) for a closer past his expiration date. He then found a new closer, David Aardsma, for ten scratchers and a couple of tallboys.
A new GM can make an immediate difference. So can an old GM making better decisions. But the problem is that the old GM is less likely to cut bait on his mistakes, especially ones for $36 million.
by Gopherballs on Jul 8, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing before bed
Branyan has been hitting 2nd for a while — either Tango is having some influence, or it takes a guy with 20 homers by the break to do Willie B.’s job.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is
I don’t think they needed Tango to tell them that. They already knew.
And the few times I have checked, they also had the crappiest hitter in the lineup hitting eighth.
by Gopherballs on Jul 8, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
although Griffey is still batting cleanup
and the only reason that guy is hitting 8th is because he lacks “good bat control.”
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
until Gutierrez heated up and with Beltre hurt (and struggling before that)
Griffey was arguably the third best hitter on that team (based solely on the walks).
That is an otherwise horrible lineup, but they are still over .500. After the 2008 Rays and the 2009 Mariners, defense may not be undervalued much longer.
by Gopherballs on Jul 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton will sign long-term deals with Iwamura, Langerhans, and Gutierrez in 2013
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
except about 2 wins better
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure why that is
but i’m just comparing career #s and discounting defense — perhaps langerhans is vastly superior in that category.
by marbotty on Jul 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Langerhans is an above average center fielder
Freel was too… 3-4 years and few injuries ago.
Projections (just estimating based on weighting recent performance, age, and context) also have Langerhans as about 10 runs better on offense over a full season.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i's more like 1.5 wins, the more I think about it
Freel might be a 1 win player, Langerhans might be 2.5
that’s all I was thinking. The point being that Langerhans, like Freel, was basically a free player, except he could be an acceptable starter (at least as a stopgap), rather than a 25th man. He also has a couple more years until he reaches arbration… that he is one of the few ex-Braves Moore didn’t pick up (he actually passed through waivers in the offseason!) is just mind-blowing and damning.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Ned Colletti took a team to the playoffs
Too bad DePo wasn’t badly running the Royals prior to GMDM coming on
by royalsreview on Jul 8, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he really ran that into the ground
I’d really like to see KC with a more contemporary approach like they have in TB — I don’t mean the stats thing (although that’s part of it), but the not having a GM title — Friedman is the head, but its more of a “team” thing. He’s the leader, but there are more old-school guys like Hunsicker (sp?) as well as new-school guys like Friedman.
I really think that the Team President just needs to set the overall direction. We make fun of him (on my part, it’s affectionate) a lot, but I half-seriously think JoPo would be a good figurehead president. He knows enough people around the game that he could get a good committee together to put together a good staff. And who could say “no” to Poz. Tango LOVES him. Bill James would give great recommendations on people to hire.
And, of course, Art Stewart would be scout-for-life.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You will remember this day the rest of your life"
- Art Stewart on watching Chris Lubanski taking Batting Practice
That Art Stewart is scout for life?
Obviously, just poking a bit of fun.
by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Shapiro might be available soon
the Royals could do a lot worse
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thouht of Carl Peterson as more of a baseball guy.........
Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but
by McClure 'stache on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to finish a DM column and you guys have me thinking abou tthis
what sucks is that Dayton Moore would be a great part of a team as described above, you know? I don’t think he good in terms of his overall vision of putting together a team, but, yeah, as a Director of Player Development, he’s obviously got some know-how. As I’ve said before, I think a big part of his problem is that he looks at 25-35 year old established major leaguers the same way he looks at 16-20 year old prospects, which is a problem…
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hadn't thought of it that way
but that makes a lot of sense
Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but
by McClure 'stache on Jul 8, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solution:
You somehow merge Dayton Moore and Allard Baird at the ML level – Dayton is responsible for the pitchers, Allard is responsible for the hitters and someone else, Arbuckle I guess, is in charge of the minors.
by Top Ramen on Jul 8, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just make sure neither Dayton nor Allard has access to the checkbook
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we’re kind of talking about this a few comments down, but what DM could use as a foil (part of his team) would be one of TB’s philosophies (which is a top-down directive) that you have to be able to back up your moves with numbers, i.e. you want to trade for Jacobs, ok, then justify it from a production/salary standpoint first. that might handcuff DM just enough to let his supposed scouting abilities shine through.
by benfunke on Jul 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our next GM
Will be an ex-Astros GM. Dayton will ask Drayton McLane for advice. Ed Wade should be an ex-Astros GM by then. He’d be perfect – bland, bad at his job, overpays for relievers. Awesome.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I’d take ANYONE (yes, all caps) from Freidman’s staff. At the very least, signings/trades/extensions would make sense at the ML level. Can they build a MiLB farm system? I don’t know, but what good is a farm system if you can’t make the right decisions up top anyway?
by benfunke on Jul 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
the farm system is great down there, but what pushed them over the top was their ability to get other valuable players on the cheap, as noted above.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton seems to be humble and rational enough to be cool with that
Hillman's facial hair is inconsistent. I am anything but
by McClure 'stache on Jul 8, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Anybody got a better caption for this poster?
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 8, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or a slogan
Fields like Neifi
Hits like Steffi
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 8, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anti-Hope
Just to make sure your dissolution’s are truly dead
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TPJ is goooood
Bloomquist. God? Or just an illusion? You be the judge.
by focs on Jul 8, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't the Royals be more like the Rays
A couple years ago, the Rays were the only team consistently worse than the Royals, but then a smart GM started making bold moves, knew when to cut his losses and built a team around a few core players, and out of seemingly nowhere they are one of the best teams in all of baseball. Friedman wouldn’t have signed Bloomquist or Freel or Fransworth, or kept TPJ this long. And he most certainly wouldn’t have traded for Jacobs. None of these guys can help us. Friedman and Moore were given pretty much the same opportunity, but Friedman looks like a genius and Moore looks like a sucker. What’s wrong with this franchise?
by rph on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s wrong with this franchise?
You answered your own question.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had chances to trade Grudz?
To whom and for whom?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, why don't we just stick with criticizing Moore for the mistakes we know he's made?
Moore has made enough real mistakes that we don’t have to assume he made the mistakes of not trading guys like Grudz and Mahay when we have no idea if anyone made any offer for either of them.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have given him a balogna sandwich for Mahay and Grudz
That’s a good offer, right?
by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Grudz was very good with the Royals
Royals fans complained about him incessantly and predicted he’d hit the wall every year, and he never did. He provided good hitting and defense for his position, giving the Royals 7 WAR over his three years. That’s $28M worth of production for $12.5M. Was that worth a bit more than a bologna sandwich?
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by NYRoyal on Jul 8, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, had we not re-signed him, we might have gotten a compensatory draft pick
also, if you’re almost certainly going to lose, it doesn’t make sense to spend any money. it’s like buying an expensive steering wheel for a horse, and then later remarking how you got that steering wheel on sale
by marbotty on Jul 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, in the end, this was one of dayton's better moves
it just didn’t do anything to help the franchise in the long run
by marbotty on Jul 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, kudos to Dayton Moore for bringing Grudz to the Royals
almost as good as when he drafted Zack Greinke
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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that it makes no sense to spend any money when you know you're not contending
I think rebuilding requires adding some wins year to year so that 1) the fans start to come back, which brings more money for future use when the team actually is contending, and 2) FA’s might be interested/willing to sign without having to spend many more millions than other teams. Certainly the limited money spent on Grudz turned out to be a wise expense. Pretty much any time you get more than double the production from a player for the money ($28M worth of production for $12.5M), you’re doing well, especially when you’re talking about an above average player.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's true -- you don't want to completely alienate the fanbase
Perhaps Moore was more optimistic about our window for contending being sooner rather than later, in which case you can’t fault him for making the signing. It just seemed odd in light of the German emergence and then the trade for Callaspo.
Of course, maybe Moore re-signed Grudz with the intention of a mid-season trade, which I would actually consider a pretty shrewd investment, although it didn’t work out.
by marbotty on Jul 8, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Dayton is an idiot for not signing Barry Bonds
That would have brought fans to the games!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't actually a knock on Mahay or Grudz
I liked Grudz. He did play very well for the Royals.
I just don’t really trust Dayton to get more than a bologna sandwich for them, and really, nobody wants a bologna sandwich (Ryan Freel) except for the Royals.
by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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