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An Exploration of the Trade Value of the Current 25 Man Roster

 

Who has the most & least trade value on the current 25 man roster when all factors are considered? I took all contract info from Cots, and tried to be as objective as possible; i.e. think how other teams will be thinking about our players as opposed to how we, as fans think about them.

Feel free to object, I was a litle surprised with my results to be honest. I tried to list from 25-1 the players that would bring us back the most in return. It really isn't that pretty. I think there are only about 3 or 4 players whose value to the Royals now or in his under contract/team control future is less than what we could get in return.

 

#25 – Tony Pena Jr.: This is pretty much a no-brainer. I have half a mind to think the reason they DFA’d Luis Hernandez over TPJ is there is at least the vague possibility that someone could offer a C prospect, or a PTBNL for Luis Hernandez in the next 10 days. 

 

 

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#24 – Ryan Freel:  He has only slightly more value than TPJ at tis point. We just gave a PTBNL, and some think that was too much. Hard to imagine people having any more interest in him than TPJ @ the deadline. Plus he has about $2M left on his deal that expires at the end of the year.

 #23 – Mitch Maier:  Mitch is a fine 4th OF'er for a team like the Royals, but I don't think he is good for much more than a 5th OF'er for a contending team, which of course is who is buying at the deadline, and they are buying in order to get an impact player most of the time. MM, just isn't that type of player. Owed about $200K on a contract that is expiring (though still arb eligible)

 #22 – Brayan Pena:  I think there is a decent chance that BPmay just be a starting catcher in the league someday. More than likely, he will be a really good backup. If there is a team that is in contention that is is in need of catching depth, he may get looked at, but I'd think they'd be more interested in one of our other C's if that was the case.

#21 – Bruce Chen:  I think 90% of contending teams have a Bruce Chen or better in AAA if they have an injury situation and need a starter. The fact that he is LH is the only reason he is this high on the list. Owed about $300K on a contract that expires at the end of the season.

#20, 19, 18 – Robinson Tejeda, Roman Colon, Jamey Wright:  I can't see any contending team clamoring to get their hands on any of these 3 bullpen arms at the deadline. Wright probably has the 'most' value oft he three, since he is a decided GB pitcher, and he did show a month of being a really good bullpen guy earlier this year, and has been good again his last few outings, but I think any value here is negligible. Tejada is owed about $225K, Wright about $300K, and Colon about $200K and they are all on 1 year deals that expire at the end of the season (Colon & Tejada are still arb eligible).

#17 John Buck:   Almost any trade value that Buck had accrued over his career was lost when he went down with a back injury. If he puts together a hot couple of weeks, he may get some value back, but I don't see it. Owed about $1.5M for the rest of '09, and has 2 years of arb. left.

#16 Mike Jacobs:   This is the one that really hurts IMO. I think that when GMDM traded for him, he envisioned him having 15-20 HR's, and an OBP northof .330 at this point in the year. It that were the case, I think he would be a decent chip to dangle out there for a contender that needs a Lefty DH/PH type that can get a big HR. As it is, I think his value is negligible at this point. As with Buck, there is still a chance that he puts together a hot streak and regains some of that value & is moved for a piece in a month, but I don't really think the odds of that happening are very high. Owed about $1.6M for the rest of this year, has 2 or 3 years of arbitration eligibility left.

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#15 Jose Guillen:   This one hurts too. Again, I think GMDM was hoping (or expecting) that JoGui would keep putting up some numbers and would be a attractive piece for a contender. His contract is a trainwreck,which is also a huge factor in his low appearance on this list. If KC eats 1/2 of his remaining contract # (about $9 Mil), he could sneak up to the top 10, but I'm not sure if he would bring anything of too much value in return.

 #14, 13 John Bale, Ron Mahay:   Similar situation with these guys. Neither has been 100% healthy the entire season, but both seem to be in good health now. Mahay is due just under $2M for the rest of this season, which is kind of a high price tag for a guy that will probably pitch about 20 innings for a team that he is traded to. Bale is still owed about $600K, which is obviously a little easier pill to swallow. Again, the main reason they are this high on the list is due to them both being LH.

 #12 Alberto Callaspo:   I thought when I started making this list, that he would appear higher on it. Then I got to thinking about something that is true about almost every playoff contending team; they play real good defense up the middle. Alberto decidedly DOES NOT fit into that category, though the kid can rake and rarely K's. He;s only owed $200K this year, and I don't think he has hit arbitration years yet, though next year may be his first arb. eligible year.

 #11 Luke Hochevar:   Hochevar is a strange case. His value would be really high for the teams that are typically selling at the trade deadline. I think his value is less for a team that is in the race, but the value is still there. His contract is strange. If I am reading it right, he is entering arbitration eligibility next year, but is poised to take a big increase in pay, as he will probably be a Super 2. I do no think the value of Hochevar on the trade market is high enough for KC to consider trading him at this point, but that could change if he becomes coveted by a contending team after a few more slod starts (in which case, I really, really doubt he'd be moved as the potential for a 1-2 of Zack & Luke would begin to emerge).

 #10 David DeJesus:   Every year at this time, we start talking about how teams covet guys like DDJ around the trade deadline. I don't see it. DDJ is a good player. He has a good glove (whether UZR backs me up or not), and he is closer to a career .300 hitter than what we have seen this year. He is owed about $6M guaranteed over the next 2 years, with a $6M club option for '11 (or a $500K buyout), which I don't think lures, or detracts potential suitors for him. That is a pretty fair number for a player of his caliber, but he isn't a guy that puts a teram over the hump. He is more of a guy that will be looked at if a team suffers a 4 week+ injury to an OF'er the last week or 2 in July and are void of OF depth in MiLB and need a solid guy to fill in for a month, then move to a 4th OF, spot start role after that. 

 

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#9 Juan Cruz:   He should be higher on this list, but the fact that he struggled mightily this season, and the fact that his struggles came at the exact time that Soria was out injured lowered his value dramatically IMO. True or Not, GM's seem to believe in the "He's got good stuff, but lacks the mentality to be a closer" logic. He doesn't seem to be missing bats at the same rate he was last year, even when he has looked good. His contract is very good, only being owed $1M for the rest of this year, $3.25 next year and a $4M option for '11 (or a $500K buyout). I don't think KC has a strong desire to move him, given his attractive contract, and current lack of bullpen depth, but if a team makes a good offer, I think he could be moved.

 #8 Miguel Olivo:   Miggy, Miggy, Miggy. What to do with Miggy? Everything he does good is equally offset by something he does bad. I know that he is about as unpopular of a player as you can find in RR, but he has been a pretty damn good offensive catcher. This is despite his refusal to walk, or take a pitch that bends that he can't hit. He is also a defensive liability, as he lets almost anything in the dirt get by him, which is in stark contrast to his laser arm. Contending teams typically aren't looking for catching, so I doubt he gets moved. His contract is OK, as he is owed about $1.2M for the rest of this season, and has a mutual option for '10 (value isn't listed on Cot's). If a team has a solid C, a weak backup AND lacks a RH bench off the bat, he is an attractive player, as he could be used as the occasional DH/PH in late innings.

 #7 Gil Meche:   Gil is another interesting case. Reports are that Philly covets him. This makes sense as Philly has coveted injured pitchers in the past (remember when they got Freddy Garcia for Gavin Floyd & Gio Gonzalez?). If there is a team out there, like Philly, that covets him, I think his place on this list is too low. I think the consensus among us, and I'm assuming most organizations, is that he has been overextended in a few games this season, hasn't appeared to be 100% healthy for a while now, and hasn't been sharp with his command in recent outings. If a team looks past that data, he still has a No-Trade clause that he would have to waive, not to mention the nearly $30M that is still left on his contract that includes $12M each of the next 2 seasons.

 # 6 Billy Butler:   The most attractive thing about Billy to a potential suitor will be his potential, his youth, and his contract. He isn't putting up the numbers that a contender would typically be looking for from 1B, so he is a lot like Hochevar, in that he is the type of player that teams like KC are looking FOR, not looking to deal.

 # 5 Willie Bloomquist:   This is where my list started to surprise me a little bit, but when you look at what a contending team may be looking for near the deadline, Willie fits a lot of the criteria. He is versatile, he can steal a base, he is getting on base at a decentclip (though not optimal). He'd be a really valuable guy to an NL team as he could be used a lot for double switches, at a lot of different positions. He is owed about $2.5 over the rest of this year and next (+ PT bonus that he will SURELY get if he stays in KC).

 

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 # 4 Brian Bannister:   Who'd a thunk it? I feel like I may have made a mistake here, but as I delve into the numbers a little bit, I'm not so sure. In '09, he sports a 1.29 WHIP (20th in the AL),  1.96 K:BB (27th in the AL), .255 BA against (20th in the AL), .370 SLG against (10th in the AL). When you figure those numbers into the fact that he is only owed about $800K for the rest of this year, and has 3 + years of team control left, you start to see why I think he is so surprisingly high on this list. All that being said, I'd HATE to see him traded. He is in the same category as Butler & Hoch. We should be looking for guys LIKE Bannister at the traded deadline, not looking to get rid of them.

 # 3 Mark Teahen:   TeaBag is probably too high on this list, I'll admit it. I think he is akin to DDJ, in that us Royals fans tend to overvalue his value as the trade deadline approaches. This is evidenced by the Mark DeRosa trade, in which the Indians got a Set-Up guy (albeit a young set up guy that several scouts believe will grow into a closer in the near future) in return. He is owed about $1.7M for the remainder of '09, and I believe he has 2 more years of team control remaining, which will probably cost in the neighborhood of $9-10M. I don't think he is a building block for KC anymore, but he can be a good piece on a good team. I think his value on the Royals for '10 & '11 will outweigh anything he can return in a trade at this point, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong about that.

 # 2 Joakim Soria:   He's not going to be traded, there really isn't much point talking about it. Jon & Jane fan would boycott the K (more than they already do) if GMDM traded away the Mexicutioner. THAT being said, should they consider it? He showed earlier this season that the injury concerns of his past are not to be forgotten. It is obvious to me that KC is never going to explore the option of him being a starter (especially after the injury concerns popped up). With a contract that could run as long as 2014, all of it at reasonable $$ amounts, he is a valuable piece for somebody. We've seen this year that a dominant closer like Soria is all but wasted on a bad team. I'll argue that a dominant closer like Soria is worth his weight in gold on a good team, which is what the Royals aspire to be.

 # 1 Zack Greinke:   We could trade Zack and Soria, and probably get back 2-4 prospects in return that are = or > Moose Tacos & Hosmer. We could probably fill most of the holes that we have, or will have the next couple years at SS, CF, C, RF, RP with quality prospects if we traded those guys. It aint gonna happen, nor should it. We have an absolute ANCHOR of the rotation in Zack for the next 3 years (and hopefully beyond). He's probably going to start the All Star game this year, and there is still room for improvement in Zack.

Poll
Who is most likely to be traded before July 31.
Mark Teahen
69 votes
David DeJesus
16 votes
Brian Bannister
35 votes
Gil Meche
17 votes
Mike Jacobs
11 votes
Miguel Olivo
19 votes

167 votes | Poll has closed

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Great stuff here.

This was my goal when I posted my “where do the royals go from here” last week with the pitchers. The goal of that was everyone, then I started the pitchers and thought it was nuts.

Moving along to your post, agree with pretty much most of your guys here. I’d have Luke higher because a team that is looking to compete this year is normally a team that looks to compete every year. They aren’t ALWAYS looking for lightning.* Looking at our team, it’s a group of guys that should be dealt at the winter meetings.

*Although you did cover that with the “few more starts” line.

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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really good post, rec'd

not sure where I agree and disagree… have to think about it somem more. But defintely well-written, measured, and well-thought out

Okay… here’s one or two thoughts:

I actually think DDJ is much more valuable than you have him here. Now, I don’t know what other teams think. While his range in CF has declined, he’s clearlly not as bad as peopel think, and he’s been a defensive monster in LF. His bat is not what it was last year (which will probably endup being the best year of his career), but it’s coming back into form. Earlier today I said he was a 2.7 WAR player, and in the current market that’s worth $at least $10M, probalby more like $13M+… well, he’s making not quite that over the next 2.5 years. Like I said, though, I’m not sure how many other teams realize this (thank goodness we don’t have to trade with the Royals, they’d keep trying to push Fiery Leader and RBI Man on us). Just my thought on that.

One really short one: Gil Meche would be a good fit for the runner-up in the Roy Hallady sweepstakes.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DDJ & Teahen

Were the 2 toughest for me to rank. I think you’re right, and I probably have DDJ too low, and I think I was right by having Teahen too high. They probably both belong in the 5-7 range.

Good point on Meche, but I have a feeling that the injury concerns that we have aren’t going to be ignored by potential suitors, especially given the massive amounts of $$ he is owed…

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess that our split feelings as a community on DDJ/T

are exactly how the rest of baseball see these two. Some GMs like both/either; some GMs think they’re worthless and smile too much; and some think they’re middle of the road talent that they might like to have for a certain situation if the price is right.

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by KC Chris on Jul 9, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

If it weren’t for his recent pitch count situation. A month ago, he would have been #3, and I’ll admit, he still may be that high.

Like I said in my reply to D_F, I can’t imagine that GM’s are going to overlook that, in addition to his decreased command since his 132 pitch outing followed my more high pitch count games, in addition to the huge amount of $$ on the line.

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehh...i cant imagine them overlooking 3 years of good pitching based on loss of command in a couple starts....

that happens to all pitchers….im sure his value has decreased some, but not to the level of teahen…..I also thiink Butler and Gordon would both be above Banny….remember, he was godawful last year.

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“ehh…i cant imagine them overlooking 3 years of good pitching based on loss of command in a couple starts….”

Nor can I. But when that piece of the equation is added in with the other 3 pieces I laid out in the same sentence, I can.

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 8, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade him to the Reds or Rangers

Dusty Baker and Nolan Ryan probably are cool with it

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by devil_fingers on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you really wanna argue with Nolan Ryan's baseball acumen at this point?

dude has seemingly turned around a laughingstock of a franchise…and has lots of pitchers having career yeas (due to his more extensive training regimen?) and tons of help still on the way

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I really don't want to argue with it

is the word that he’s running stuff and Daniels is in the back seat now?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what i got out of it....

when he was hired. Seemingly, things have changed. Although, that Tex trade was a huge win for them….and I think that happened before Nolan was around.

Knowinig what we do about the guys Tex received now, Salty, Harrison, Feliz and Andrus, would people be willing to trade Zack for that?

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know enogh about the young pitchers

That’s just my own fault

Andrus has been better than I thought he would be, but his bat is returning to what we expected. I think his upside is still Adam Everett — awesome glove, but still only just above average because of a dreadful catcher-bat. That’s valuable, of course, but we’ll see. He’s also young enough to where the bat could really improve over the next few years.

Salty… I dunno. His defense doesn’t seem to be as bad as people said would was now that he’s healthy. He hasn’t really hit that well yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. Catcher bats usually develop more slowly.

In other words, I don’t know.

On another note — what do you think of Holland?

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by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holland reminds me alot of affeldt...

so, i think his likely floor is about what affeldt turned into, which isnt bad with a much higher ceiling. As far as Andrus goes. I like his on base skills, defense and I think he’ll develop some XBH power and his SB potential….he’s not gonna be a star…but i think he’ll be good for a long time

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to be a dick or anything, but...

Texas doesn’t have a single pitcher having even an average season so far — LINK

Defense does wonders.

by rockchalk on Jul 9, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a huge sample size for it to be just luck....

it probably has alot to do with a much improved defense with young at 3rd, andrus at ss, jones at one of the corners, cruz has been good, etc….still lies with Ryan.

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay okay

I even read that when it came out. I was just making a joke. I am chastised.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

I personally want to keep Butler, Callaspo, Gordon, DDJ, Teabag, Jack, Gil, Zack, and Banny.

Trade the rest of them for whatever you can get and write off the losses on your taxes.

And DFA Guillen right now if you can’t find anyone to take him and $9m of his salary in exchange for a single-A reliever and a triple-A third base coach..

If we’re gonna suck, which seems more than likely, I would prefer for us to suck while using players who seem to give a crap about the sport even if they’re not any good.

Comparison to put all this in its proper scale: the Spanish soccer club Real Madrid has spent about $200 million this offseason, on four players (Kaká, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema, and Albiol), in transfer fees alone. That does not include whatever exorbitant salary these guys are gonna get.

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by Juancho on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you specifically say you want players who give a crap....

and thats reason for DFAing Jogui yet keeping DDJ?

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm confused as to how you ranked them

But I don’t think there is any way Willie Bloomquist nets us more in a deal than Gil Meche. Gil is still quite valuable – he’d probably net us more value than anyone other than Joakim and Zaq.

Maybe you meant “most likely to be traded”?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 9, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I agree, but I think there is the possobility to get substantial pieces back for Meche, we’d have to agree to take on a portion of his remaining salary, given his recent injury concerns as I laid out above. I was making the list ‘as-is’, so I didn’t really take situations like that into account, where the value of Meche, or Guillen possibly, can change dramatically if we do/don’t take on any $$, I ranked them where I thought they would be w/o us taking on any $$.

I think the best way to look at the list, in retrospect, would be the # of potential trade partners that we’d have for each player. Meche’s contract & other issues would limit him to the big market clubs I think, wheras Willie would be attractive from the bigger markets, all the way down to the Milwaukees, Floridas, Colorados of the baseball world. The way I was looking at it, the more interested teams, the more value is driven up…

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Florida would definitelly be interestedin trading with KC again

They’ll take Bloomquist if KC picks up 80% of his salary and will also take future clubhouse cancer Daniel Gutierrez off the Royals’ hands, and all in exchange for Ross Gload and Leo Nunez (and don’t worry about Gload’s salary, someone else is already picking that up! Wait…)

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by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went ahead and voted,

but the cynic in me sez you should have had a “nobody” option, given the unwillingness to concede the season and start rebuilding in earnest that Moore has shown in past years….

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 9, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I read this post about four hours ago and thought the same thing

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by BillyMojo on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so I didn't vote.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this one.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Nice list Gopher. I like the format of this one too.

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 9, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post Goph broke it down pretty straight forward

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 thoughts
  1. I know you can’t trade a guy on the DL, but Gordon will be back before the deadline. Where would you rank him? I’m guessing he would be pretty low right now due to the injury, but pretend like the injury is no concern. My guess would be right there with Billy Butler.
  2. Robinson Tejeda seems more interesting in a trade for a RP starved team than Jamey Wright. I think Tejeda’s value is top 10. I think part of the reason for his somewhat ugly numbers this year are infrequent use. He’s got 20 IP in 16 games, halfway through the season.

by AxDxMx on Jul 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Gordon, I think he’d be right there in the same category as Butler, but I also think he falls in line w/ Butler, Hoch & Banny, as someone that we’d be targeting at the deadline, not getting rid of. You mentioned it w/ his injury, but his value is probably at an all-time sell low point right now.

I did hesitate lumping Tejada in w/ Wright & Colon. Tejeda is tempting because of his ‘live arm’ and K potential. But I think his tendency to lose his control might temper his value for a pennant chasing team. You may be right that his usage patterns, or lack-thereof, are contributing to that, but he’s always had the reputation for being on the wild side. I think both Tejada and Wright have more value, to a contender, than Colon, but I think the difference probably isn’t great…

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by GoBabies!! on Jul 9, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can trade guys on the DL

It does not happen very often for obvious reasons, but there is no rule against it.

Gordon would be more valuable than Butler just due to positional and defensive value. 3B are tough to find, while 1B/DH types are the easiest to find.

by Gopherballs on Jul 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

while 1B/DH types are the easiest to find.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

78 Wins.

That’s the best this team can do in 2010 without blowing things up. I’m all in favor of trading anybody we can get real value on. Soria/Grienke probably can’t return what they deserve so they stay. Butler & Teahen must go as they are the easiest pieces to rebuild from – high return and replaceable.

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by David Howards Legacy on Jul 10, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still holding out hope that 2010 is our year.

A lot of similarities to the 2007 Rays.

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by Warden11 on Jul 10, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wheres our crawford, upton, pena, kazmir, etc....

they had young talent like crazy on that team…..they had delmon to fetch them garza

we have butler, zack and soria

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the big one there is Pena on a cheap deal (originally) for them

while the Royals were busy trading for Tony Pena, Jr. and Ryan Shealy

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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC, the Royals offered Pena a deal too

he chose the Rays because he didn’t want to have to compete with Ryan Shealy.

Unless I'm wrong...

by Top Ramen on Jul 13, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, fair enough.

Maybe I should have said

Believe

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129

by Warden11 on Jul 10, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It pisses me off

That the Royals would trade Bannister instead of dangling Meche. Please compare their stats over their Royals tenure. I am not saying Brian is as good as Gil, but there is nowhere near $11 million difference. Most importantly, though, while you get a prospect or a small piece of the puzzle for Banny, you could get a really good offensive player for Meche.

Oh I forgot about the master plan to trade all our upcoming pitching prospects for Francouer and maybe Bill Hall. Never Mind.

Is it safe?

by KHAZAD on Jul 11, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I see

So, Meche is not really that much better than Bannister, but since he is owed exponentially more $$ over the next 2 seasons, teams will be willing to give more for him.

Are you Dayton Moore?

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 11, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teams know what they're getting with meche...

what’s to say that banny doesnt turn into 2008 banny tomorrow?

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

They are getting a pitcher that is owed $30M over 2.5 seasons that has thrown a TON of pitches this year, has had regressing numbers over the last 3 years, and has (seemingly) chronic back spasms.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 12, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's had back problems for what?...a month out of 2.5 years?

his fip was 4.02 in 2007, 3.61 in 2008, 4.19 this year….the 3rd year is not much different from the 1st year….

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 12, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had

Back Spasms at points last year as well if memory serves, and if my memory is failing, I’m sure he had Back Spasms that hampered him in Spring Training

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 12, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well....whatever problems he's had...

especially in the years before this….he hasnt missed a single start in 2.5 years all while being a very good pitcher. If he were having shoulder problems right now, with his shoulder history, i think teams would be concerned…back spasms…not so much.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 12, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm concerned about the back spasms.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129

by Warden11 on Jul 12, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

twnss

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.

by devil_fingers on Jul 12, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i dont even know what that means

so apparently i’m no internet language expert either

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 12, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Relax

I hear NIck Schwartz stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 12, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight mistake

The DeRosa trade netted Cleveland a future closer and a PTBNL, the list for which is rumored to have the top two RH bullpen arms in the minors.

It could end up being the future closer and future setup man for the Indians in the future, for 3-4 months of (a now injured) DeRosa.

by stlfan on Jul 11, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and Teahen is really almost as good as DeRosa

not quite, but he’s younger and under club control beyond this year.

DeRosa isn’t much better with the glove than Teahen, eithe

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Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.

by devil_fingers on Jul 11, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

I wasn’t aware there was a PTBNL involved, and I surely wasn’t aware that it was an elevated PTBNL.

I still think it takes more than that to get Teahen, due to the same reasonings made by D_F_ ^

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jul 11, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this deserved to be green

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 11, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oops, reply to #812

Fuck This Team. Period.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Jul 11, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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