Olivo Setting Trend with His Patience
Got love how the Royals pick up the first player to strike out at least 100 times in a season with no more than 10 walks.
OBP is important boys.
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You make it sound like a bad thing
That we are connected to 5 of the top 10 on that list
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Aug 10, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Big or Go Home
…but dang that’s bad.
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 10, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to see TPJ
in there at #7. We’re awesome.
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by labbadabba on Aug 10, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Technically,
we are actually connected to 6 of the top 10, not 5 – if you allow me to count Chris Truby, who the Royals signed as a FA going into 2004, but never played for KC.
OBP is overrated. Just trust the process.
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 10, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Right
Wasn’t he signed as a 1 year block for Tea-bag, then he hurt his wrist or something in ST & never played!
That is amazing
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Aug 10, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 103K/9BB year is even more historic
when you subtract the intentional walks from the total, then it’s 103 K and 5 BB
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by BHWick on Aug 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, take that OBP!!! You are a weak stat and I scoff in your general direction!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that is pathetic
On the subject of catchers, is anyone else concerned about Brayan’s arm? I am a big fan of his, but it appears that every game in which he appears behind the plate, opposing teams run rampant, usually to the tune of three or four stolen bases against.
Am I imagining things, or has someone else noticed this?
by marbotty on Aug 10, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at a minimum
since he’s new, all the teams will test him to see if he can stop them. I haven’t been paying enough attention to see how he’s doing with that.
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
by kabrink on Aug 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
I recall him gunning down a few runners last week. I haven’t check the #’s tho…
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by labbadabba on Aug 10, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i just checked the season stats
He’s allowed 15 SB vs 7 CS, which is probably average, if not well above average. The best at throwing out runners by this metric is Kenji Johjima, who has 15 SB vs 20 CS, then you’ve got a few part timers who have done very well, like F Cervelli of NY (11 vs 10) and Taylor Teagarden (11 vs 8), Gerald Laird (34 vs 25) and then a bunch of guys sort of in the middle.
On the other end of the spectrum: Varitek with 84!!! vs 15, AJ Pierzxxsky at 72 and 17, and poor Nick Hundley, with 41 SB vs 4 CS.
by marbotty on Aug 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops, overlooked John Buck, who is also terrible: 28 stolen bases against only 2 caught stealing
Miguel’s about average, 39 vs 17
by marbotty on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't you just limit you test of his true talent to the first 1200 ABs he's caught?
anything better or worse is probably just a fluke
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by devil_fingers on Aug 11, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're bringing in Eliezer Alfonzo next year
Alfonzo’s 2006
309 PA, 74 Ks, 9 walks, 7 intentional walks, 17 doubles, 12 HR, 266/302/465
His line in 2007 through 2009:
191 PAs, 59 Ks, 5 walks, 2 intentional walks, 5 doubles, 3 HR, 200/225/286
Alfonzo has exactly 500 PA with 5 unintentional walks and 9 intentional walks.
Basically Eliezer Alfonzo is a shittier version of Miguel Olivo
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by BHWick on Aug 10, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the writer stopped at #23 for the first pitcher
not so! TPJ is #7 and is pitching relief in Arizona as we write! He was letting his inner pitcher swing and miss.
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by buddyball on Aug 10, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: B Pena
Clinkscale, who’s opinion I respect, was talking about B Pena’s defense after the game Sunday. Basically, he thinks the Royals should choose to keep either Olivo or Buck, and make B Pena the backup, precisely because of his poor defense.
I think the consensus is that Pena would outhit either of them easily, but his defense would more than offset that added offense, thus making Pena the more viable backup option.
I know there is a lot of discontent here for Olivo & Buck – but both hit approximately at league average OPS, and both do one thing well defensively while not doing another thing well at all.
Bottom line, to me, is the team has FAR greater glaring weaknesses that SCREAM to be fixed before even looking at the catcher spot. I certainly wouldn’t object to the Royals jettisoning one of the 2 and giving the backup job to Pena – we could sure use the payroll flexibility that would add, and Olivo & Buck are redundant, to say the least.
Personally, I’d dump Olivo, if for no other reason than I am tired of watching him swing at everything that moves and allowing umpteen WPs and PBs. Not saying Buck is much better; but he just seems to not annoy me nearly as much as Olivo does.
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 10, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
I’d dump them both and find another catcher with a stronger arm who can hit RHP. Then i’d mainly start Brayan Pena against LHP.
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by BHWick on Aug 10, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're getting Joe Mauer!
Or Gregg Zaun.
by Gopherballs on Aug 10, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zaun wild make a lot of sense, but
1) Mitchell Report, Royals can’t have “that” on the team.
2) He’s a Baird-era Royal, obviously those guys can’t cut it.
3) he gets on-base
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by devil_fingers on Aug 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's three strikes right there
Do you know a quick way to look up platoon splits by position? (I might be missing something obvious on fangraphs or b-ref). I suspect the list of catchers who hit RHP well is pretty short (and the list of those who also throw out 20% of basestealers is much shorter).
by Gopherballs on Aug 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zaun's numbers are about the same for both sides
v. RHP: .247/.339/.388
v. LHP: .263/.361/.371
Pena’s career numbers
v. RHP: .246/.264/.343
v. LHP: .291/.341/.430
Here’s Pena’s 05-09 minor league numbers
v. RHP: .272/.334/.368 (885 AB)
v. LHP: .388/.414/.543 (376 AB)
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by BHWick on Aug 10, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with BHWick
I’d probably just dump Olivo and Buck and let Pena split time with a defensive specialist.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 11, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Miguel Olivo a defensive specialist?
In any case, most “defensive specialist” catchers are just average defenders who hit like TPJ.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 11, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still like Buck.
Don’t know exactly why. I guess part of it is watching a man that big be that graceful behind the plate. Say what you will but he really knows how to prevent wild pitches. If I’m Hoch, I want him back there every night picking my sinkers out of the dirt.
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by labbadabba on Aug 10, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oddly, Brayan's the best at throwing out runners
and Buck is perhaps in the top 3 worst at doing so (see stats above)
by marbotty on Aug 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
single season of stats = awesome data resource
resign Brayan now!
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by devil_fingers on Aug 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Growing up a Cubs fan
I am absolutely shocked to see Shawon Dunston’s name on that list repeatedly. That man never saw a low outside pitch in the dirt that he didn’t like
by sterlingice on Aug 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*cough Alex Gordon *cough
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by labbadabba on Aug 10, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If OBP is important
then why isn’t it on the scoreboard?
by bluenm on Aug 10, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another scary note
as historically bad as Olivo was at the plate in 2008…he has a chance to be even worse this year. Right now, he was 93 strikeouts compared to eight walks. He have no doubt that he blow past 100 strikeouts, but what are the chances he avoids that tenth walk for the rest of the season? Seeing how he’s already at eight, I would think he’d reach at least 12 walks by the end of the year…but then again, we’re talking about Olivo here.
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by MizzouCus on Aug 10, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina
Has five unintentional walks this year in 395 PAs. He is destined to be a Royal.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 11, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Full-time DH
Trust the Process
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