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Secrets of the AL Central - The Twins Pattern of Success

Although they're sometimes talked about as a kind of perennial power -- count how many times you'll hear an analyst or writer say "the Twins are always around at the end" sometime -- they've actually been a bit up and down in the second half of this decade. Since 2004, the Twins have finished third twice (2005, 2007) along with a division title in 2006 and a second place finish in 2008, where they lost the division to the White Sox by one game.

Since 2004, Minnesota's win totals are: 83, 96, 79, 88. It's an odd pattern with a slight bad-good trend. At 54-57 right now, they're on pace to follow up on last year's mildly good season with a mildly bad one.

The Twins have averaged 86.5 wins over the last four seasons, and with one glaring exception, they've built their glittering empire of mediocrity on the cheap labor readily available in the AL Central. Let's look at a gigantic table:

Star-divide

Twins v AL Central v AL East v AL West v NL Total
2009 22-16 6-19 14-16 12-6 54-57
2008 43-30 12-22 18-19 14-4 88-75 (2nd)
2007 28-44 19-19 21-13 11-7 79-83 (3rd)
2006 41-35 22-13 17-16 16-2 96-66 (1st)
2005 40-35 18-12 17-22 8-10 83-79 (3rd)
2004 46-30 19-17 16-16 11-7 92-70 (1st)

 

  • As you can see above, with the exception of 2007, the Twins have been very good against the AL Central. The odd thing about 2007 is that the Twins were actually better against the AL East & West than they usually are. In a way, this jives with a general theory that the Twins have benefited from a soft division. In 2007, the Twins were completely dominated by the division winning Indians (4-14) and the second place Tigers (6-12). Without looking at the numbers, I'd venture that the 2007 one-two punch of the Indians (96 wins) and Tigers (88 wins) was one of the better duos the divison has had this decade.
  • The Twins, to their credit, were actually not bad against the AL East until 2008, the year of the Rays' ascendancy.
  • The AL West numbers are interesting. Although the West was a very strong division in the first half of this decade, over the last five years or so, I would consider it to be an average division, usually lacking great teams or terrible ones. Aside from their mysterious 2007, the Twins have been just below .500 against the AL West, which I think is telling.
  • And of course, the Twins have owned the National League, including that stunning 16-2 mark in 2006.
  • Looking at everything overall, the Twins emerge as a generic (there's that word again) good-to-ok American League team over this time span. They held their own against the AL East before the division went completely insane (we can't forget Toronto) and banked wins against the NL each season. In the slightly bad AL Central, they did well, and in the slightly good AL West, they struggled a bit.
  • Since 2005, everyone in the AL Central save the Royals has made the playoffs and three teams have won the division. The Tigers won the 2006 Wild Card, and advanced to the World Series. All of these teams, especially Cleveland, Minnesota and Chicago, have had odd year to year results. The Royals however, have remained predictable. They're always not around at the end.

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But there's hope right?????

Dayton’s gonna tell us if Gordon, Aviles, Gil, Soria, Crisp, Farsworth, Guillen, Buck, all didn’t get injured we’d be OK right? When everyone comes back next year, and we get key aquisitions, and nobody gets injured whatsoever, and we have good backup guys like Jacobs, Yuni, and Brayan, we’ll be the AL Central’s favorite, most likeable slighty over .500 team………………….. right? Right?? Hope? Bueller?

Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro

by ratherfantastic on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

don't forget key re-signing Miguel Olivo

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Eh?

“The Twins have averaged 86.5 wins over the last four seasons, and with one glaring exception, they’ve built their glittering empire of mediocrity on the cheap labor readily available in the AL Central”

Twins 2004-2009 vs. AL Central – 220-190 .537
Twins 2004-2009 vs. Everyone Else – 272-240 .531

In 2004 I think you could say the Twins beefed up against the Central.

In 2005, it looks like the Twins were pretty mediocre against everyone.

in 2006, it seems like the Twins in 2006 were pretty mediocre against the Central, and dominated the AL East and interleague play.

In 2007, the Central actually buried the Twins.

In 2008, the Twins fared well in the Central, although interleague play also helped.

And in 2009, it is again the Central and interleague play.

So I’m not sure I support the theory that the Twins are supported by the crap in the Central. Three years out of six, they seemed to benefit from the Central, but the other three years they did not. That’s a pretty mixed bag.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 11, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

What was I thinking?

Yes, you’re right. I'm much rather have what we have with the Royals. Our glittering empire of absurdity is fantastic.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 11, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The Twins looks really stupid now for trading Santana

They would have made the playoffs with him last year and the draft picks they received as FA compensation probably would be worth more than the players they got back from the Mets. Terry Ryan was a decent GM but Bill Smith, I’m not sure he’s any better/worse than Dayton. I can see them totally bungling the Joe Mauer extension, too.

by swing and a miss on Aug 11, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Smith is basically a Dayton-in-training

and as good as the Twins’ pitchign philosophy has been in the minors, their hitting philosophy has been every bit as bad. It’s a testimony to sheer awesome talent that Mauer and Morneau were able to survive.

Anyone who is mad about #2 overall Alex Gordon should keep in mind that it could be a lot worse — cf. Delmon “Jose Guillen’s decline phase at 23” Young.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 11, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on my way in a couple of minutes to head to the Dome to watch the debacle that is Delmon Young

Jose Guillen’s decline phase at 23 is a great way to describe him. The guy is strong as an ox and can’t get the ball to the warning track. On the downside I’m wearing my Royals gear which will make the passive aggressive Minnesotans quite happy as it will give them something to pick on. The crap I go thru to support my team…

by stram#1 on Aug 11, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least they didn't give up much for him

Just a starting pitcher and a shortstop who can hit and play excellent defense.

And what’s that they were looking for at the trade deadline? Oh yea, a starting pitcher and a shortstop who can hit and play excellent defense.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're just a SP and an SS away!

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 11, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to get Mauer on the Royals

I’m sure we can land him after he’s done on the Yankees/Red Sox. He’ll still only be 39.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 12, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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