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Comerica Park - a review


Some of my more fervent fans may have noticed I have not been posting for a few days. Well that has been because I have taken my first trip in two years (let that be a lesson to those of you wanting children) and I traveled to the beautiful state of my birth - the state of Michigan, home of the first place Detroit Tigers.

In my time there I was fortunate enough to attend a Tigers game with a good friend of mine, and as luck would have it, we were able to watch my hometown Royals. Here is my review of Comerica Park.

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Our seats had a terrific view of Royals pop outs, and the Royals were more than happy to produce many for me to view.

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I think when most people think "Detroit" they probably think of a fire-bombed, desolate, dangerous inner-city with buildings constantly on fire (where is Robocop when you need him?). That may well be the case, I don't know, but the area around Comerica Park is quite pleasant. Ford Field, home of the Lions, is right next to the ballpark (it is possible to have a sports complex downtown!) There are two nice theaters across the street including the historic Fox Theater, recently renovated. There are also an ample number of bars with excellent outdoor patios to enjoy a beer in the cool Michigan summer evenings (although it is telling that the coolest-looking and most popular bar is a Red Wings bar called "HOCKEYTOWN".)

Parking is an absolute breeze and we paid $10, the same as you would pay at Kauffman, to pay in a lot about two blocks from the ballpark. Getting out was a breeze as well. To be in a downtown setting with a mass of people all around you is really quite an experience. I bravely walked with my Gil Meche t-shirt on, but I was really impressed that nearly every Detroiter I saw sported Tigers gear.

The stadium exterior is pretty impressive, and I kinda liked how it fit the city block, and looked less like a ballpark. They have toothbrush lights, which should be mandatory for all stadium. The entrance is grand, but the walk-up to it is really awkward, with visitors having to traverse the VIP parking lot, with not enough room for large crowds to walk-up all at once.

There is a huge statute of a tiger out front, and large statutes of tigers on top of the scoreboard, which is a bit cheesy, but at least iconic in a way. They also have a ferris wheel and a carousel which is fine for the kiddies I suppose. When you walk in, you are greeted by a large food court with lots of different food options ranging from Chinese food to Little Caeser's pizza. Neither of those sounded all that appetizing, although there were some chili cheese fries that looked artery-busting good.

We settled on some hot dogs, which were just terrific. The price was slightly more expensive than at the K, but it was well worth it because the dogs were not only bigger but came with free grilled onions. My friends, everything is better with grilled onions.

I liked that the dogs were plentiful in kiosks around the stadium, as well as beer, but if you want anything else, you will really have to search for it or go to the food court. It was quite a walk to find some nachos, and when we got there the food options were pretty limited.

Our seats were down the third base side near the outfield and gave a tremendous view. Alberto Callaspo missed a pop up near our seats, then jokingly pretended to eat the popcorn held by the kid in the front row. Oh Alberto, losing baseball games will never get you down!

The tickets were a bit pricey, but I am probably spoiled by dirt cheap games for a loser team. The Tigers are actually in a pennant race, so I expected the seats to be a bit more.

The scoreboard is actually a bit disappointing. It has three screens, and appears to be out of the 80s. The first panel has extra information on players. And it goes out of its way to praise Tigers players and mock opposing players. Like Miguel Cabrera is hitting .429 against Zack Greinke in night games, but Billy Butler is hitting just .198 in August games against Central division foes with runners in scoring position. BOOM! ROASTED!

The second screen is a small video board, but two panels are already out, and they don't ever show replays. Ever. The third is just a black and white screen with just basic information - AVG/HR/RBI, and for some reason sacrifice hits. Small ball is important to Tigers fans.

They do some goofy stuff between innings like "find the baseball", but it seemed like they had half the goofy stuff Kauffman had, which I appreciated. There is no goofy in-stadium host who makes you want to punch someone, like our own "Tim". They do have 18 year old girls dance on the dugouts like we do and a mascot, a Tiger I wanted to call "Tony", but his name is actually "Paws."

The concourses are pretty wide and you can walk all the way around the stadium. You can even stand and watch the game from the outfield. There is also a nice skyline of downtown Detroit including the iconic GM headquarters, which you can throw spoiled fruit at.

The bathrooms however, are already showing their age. They looked like they had been imported from old Tiger Stadium.

Despite me being the only person insane enough to wear Royals garb, the Tigers fans around me were quite hospitable. I offered deprecating humor on the Royals - they countered with deprecating humor on the Lions. We shared our hatred of the White Sox.

We were treated to a terrific pitchers duel - Greinke vs. Washburn. I joked that between Greinke and the Royals lineup, we had a great chance of watching a no-hitter. Which was very nearly true. The two teams took a 0-0 tie into the bottom of the ninth, upon which I went into a drunk-induced rant on why you bring your best reliever into a tight game because you may not go to extra-innings otherwise. Right on cue, Roman Colon gave up a walk-off home run to Brandon Inge. It was too predictable.

Tigers fans went wild, and I must admit, it is cool to see a walk-off, even if its against your team. And they played Daft Punk's "One More Time", which is a pretty cool song to hear after a guy hits a walk-off home run.

All in all, I had a terrific time in Detroit. It would be a shame to see this country abandon what was once one of the most important cities in the world.

Thoughts? Has anyone else visited Comerica?

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I share your exact feelings about Comerica

…down to the issues with the scoreboard and walking through the VIP parking.

It was raining hard for the entire game, so we ended up spending some time in various covered sections. The VIP people-bring-you-stuff sections were exquisite, but the service was pretty terrible.

One thing you didn’t mention was the kiosks of Tigers history—and they were excellent. I loved seeing Ty Cobb’s memorabilia.
 
Something I loved about Comerica: the downtown view. It was raining pretty hard and it was a night game, so we had this breathtaking view of the lit-by-night GM building (I think) over the right field wall. It was really cool.

Overall, if it had a better scoreboard and a slightly better approach from the street, there would be no contest about it being a superior stadium to Kauffman. As it is, it’s only slightly better than our old broad with new makeup.

I’m extremely jealous.

And don’t even get me started about the new Busch.

by Justin Bopp on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm ambivalent about the new Busch

But no doubt their skyline is AWESOME. One of the best in baseball.

Where are the Tigers history kiosks located?I didn’t see them.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know how i feel about it either

my first impression was that it was sorta generic and boring, while also looking a touch stuffy

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely feel like HOK mailed it in on Busch....

which is awesome. They went from terribly generic 1970s stadium to terribly generic 2000s stadium

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 18, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe so....

i like petco and AT&T…the taipei dome looks kinda fun…

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness

In most cases they are simply catering to what elected officials want, and many of them don’t want something that is “too out there.” I think St. Louis specifically wanted a “retro” stadium like everyone else was getting.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, HOK does pretty solid work

Also, HOK (rebranded as Populous) is based in KC

I’m not entirely familiar with all their US venues, but they do some great soccer venues:

  1. Estádio da Luz – Lisbon, Portugal – S.L. Benfica (2004)
  2. Emirates Stadium – London, UK – Arsenal Football Club (2006)
  3. Wembley Stadium – London, UK – England (joint project with Foster and Partners) (2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous_(architects)

by KC Gunner on Aug 18, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the Ferris Wheel from the ground level (with the VIP seats behind you), it’s on your right. Unmistakable. Tall, 4-sided, glass things. With video, memorabilia, factioids. They’re sweet!

by Justin Bopp on Aug 18, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen Comerica

Last time in Detroit was quite a while ago; saw the old Stadium, which was damn cool, if you ask me.

One question: Is Comerica anywhere near where the old Stadium was? If so, that would be an issue for me – the old Stadium seemed to be in a pretty damn shady neighborhood (or at least it seemed that way to me). Ended up being glad it was a day game when we went; apparently, the local criminals were still sleeping in after a long night of looting, etc.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Aug 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Comerica is safe as houses

Tigers’ Stadium was a little south of downtown; Comerica is right in the middle of our renovated “showcase” bonanza.

by happydrifter on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice write-up

A friend and I have been talking about going to Comerica for years, but never get around to it.

Sounds like DDJ’s terrible attitude has rubbed off onto Bert. He should have been so angry that he punched the kid in the face.

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by devil_fingers on Aug 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

downtown
I think when most people think “Detroit” they probably think of a fire-bombed, desolate, dangerous inner-city with buildings constantly on fire (where is Robocop when you need him?). That may well be the case, I don’t know, but the area around Comerica Park is quite pleasant. Ford Field, home of the Lions, is right next to the ballpark (it is possible to have a sports complex downtown!) There are two nice theaters across the street including the historic Fox Theater, recently renovated. There are also an ample number of bars with excellent outdoor patios to enjoy a beer in the cool Michigan summer evenings (although it is telling that the coolest-looking and most popular bar is a Red Wings bar called “HOCKEYTOWN”.)

Parking is an absolute breeze and we paid $10, the same as you would pay at Kauffman, to pay in a lot about two blocks from the ballpark.

How many cities are comparable to Detroit, 40 years after the exodus began?

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what I was getting at is...

would the space/parking/cheapness be possible in places that weren’t deserted and with no real estate value?

i guess most new downtown parks have found an undeveloped area, or an old industrial site or something, but the D probably had more space avaialble than most

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Detroit right now

Reminds me of how Cleveland was in the 80s. It was the “mistake by the lake” with a terrible downtown and virtually no civic pride.

Things improved in the 90s, and for awhile there Cleveland was pretty cool. I don’t know how things are now, but it seems like they have backslid a bit, mostly due to the economy. I’m not sure there is too much Rust Belt cities like Detroit and Cleveland can do to stop that.

“would the space/parking/cheapness be possible in places that weren’t deserted and with no real estate value?”

Well, every city has blighted areas. You couldn’t put a stadium right next to every downtown in America, but you could be pretty close. Detroit certainly had a lot more options I’m sure.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing about detroit...

it is still a huge metro area

when i looked at the sizes of the cities in the Central this offseason, I was really surprised how big detroit MSA is

http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/2/11/755375/secrets-of-the-al-central

cleveland MSA will be smaller than KC in a decade

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have some really nice burbs

But its really becoming a large donut, isn’t it?

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now the donut is getting skinnier, as the core of poverty grows

as this great piece on Buffalo points out cities like this become, in effect, havens for poor people

Shaker Heights, one of the famous oldtime suburbs of cleveland is in decline and has large swaths which are not nice. In 2007 I lived right on the street which divided Cleveland and Shaker Heights, and I needed to walk my gf to her car at night.

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aside on Cleveland
Reminds me of how Cleveland was in the 80s. It was the "mistake by the lake" with a terrible downtown and virtually no civic pride.

Things improved in the 90s, and for awhile there Cleveland was pretty cool. I don’t know how things are now, but it seems like they have backslid a bit, mostly due to the economy.

Cleveland is an interesting case. I lived there for two summers, and my wife is from Cleveland, as are her parents and both sets of grandparents, so I feel like I know a little bit about it. There is a very strong provincial inferiority complex mixed with intense pride in the city. Volatile mix. This comes out pretty strongly if you read the threads on Lets Go Tribe very often.

Jacobs Field and the basketball arena were the last part of a massive downtown rebuilding/building phase that began in the late 1970s. They also had public/private hotels, shopping centers, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, the Flats etc. It all clicked for a few years, but it couldn’t sustain itself. The Flats is pretty sleazy/ghetto/trashy/uncomfortable now. Jacobs Field and the Q are nice, but they hardly saved downtown. The new convention center never got built. etc. We had our wedding hotel in one of the downtown offerings (Embassy Suites), walking distance from the Jake, and two months afterwards two guys, medical students at Case Western, were shot in the head in front of the entrance, after leaving the hotel bar, by apparently random criminals in a mugging gone bad. Sure, it was one incident, but that’s pretty much the most horrific type of crime imaginable.

Cleveland’s population has shrunk so much in the last forty years that in many ways, things are getting better. Unlike most cities, the traffic and water grid is not overburdened, there is tons of greenspace which is not being developed, etc. Compared to a lot of places, you can live like a king on a modest income (though that’s a catch 22, when you find that your home has no resale value and you don’t have your built in retirement or real freedom to move).

The thing that stands out to me — and I don’t quite know how KC compares — is that there is a sense that there are no good jobs in cleveland. My wife has literally no HS or college friends who are still in Cleveland. None.

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And,

the lake no longer catches on fire, from what I hear.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Aug 18, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Got Rid

Of the sudsy foam that used to cover the Kansas river at the confluence with the Missouri. I think they started putting a defoaming agent into the effluent from the factories. For all I know the factories are no longer there, either.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This subthread, links included, was a pretty cool read, Thanks.

I’ve yet to see America north of Wichita, KS. Never seen the Buffalos and Clevelands of this world.

In Arlington, TX… you’d never think anything of the economy… It’s because of the Cowboys new stadium that the city appears to be on the rise…

But all of these plazas are being built… and nobody’s moving into them. It’s weird

by oc on Aug 24, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comerica wasn’t built in an empty area. It was built in the middle of a fairly active part of downtown — unfortunately at the expense of some early 20th century businesses and jazz clubs.

by happydrifter on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite comment about Comerica

Was back in the magical summer of 2003, ESPN was doing a review of all 30 MLB ballparks, and the writer of the Comerica Park review led off with the following line: "My first thought upon seeing the stadium was, “I’ll bet this is what Siegfried and Roy’s living room looks like.”"

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by cmkeller on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i've never been to comerica... one of just a few ballparks i havent been too...

i cross off safeco next week for what is sure to be an epic royals-mariners battle.

where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!

by blue bandwagon on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Safeco and PNC Park in Pittsburgh

Are the two parks I absolutely want to visit badly.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Camden Yards, Fenway, and Wrigley

thank you very much.

Saw Rangers Stadium this year. It was fantastic actually, if a bit over-inspired.

by Justin Bopp on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never done Fenway or Wrigley

had tickets for Wrigley once, and it rained…

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrigley is worth a trip to Chicago on its own

despite the Cubs fans.

Fenway lacks the same charm and neighborhood, but as the only other old time park, it is still a worthwhile experience.

by Gopherballs on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an avid bowler,

I dug the fact that there was a duckpin bowling establishment built right underneath the ballpark. Definitely an oddity.

Of course, the ballpark itself is a must see. Uncomfortable for modern Americans (read obese Americans), but dripping with charm and history. Same goes for Wrigley.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Aug 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PNC Park is amazing

I can’t judge Kauffman fairly; I’m pretty sure the fact that I would rank it number 1 is partly due to bias.

So, in the non-Kauffman division, PNC Park is my favorite baseball stadium. And I’ve been to Fenway, Wrigley, and Camden Yards.

Safeco is one of the better generic parks. I’d rank it slightly ahead of Comerica. Okay, I’m inspired. Check below for my list.

I am Billy Butler's Gold Glove.

by cbrett42 on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having Listened To

And watched probably at least 100 broadcasts from Safeco, I have one thing to say about it; waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question about Comerica

if you buy an OF or upper deck seat, can you still walk around the entire stadium?

by royalsreview on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The upper deck does not extend all the way around if that's what you are asking

But no one will stop you from walking around the entire stadium on the lower level.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never been to Comerica

But I have been to Mackinac Island in Michigan, and it was awesome.

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Phase 2: ?
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by ratherfantastic on Aug 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My rankings

Ranking of MLB stadiums:

Kauffman division:
1. Kauffman Stadium (I can’t fairly compare this to others.)

Non-Kauffman division:
1. PNC Park
2. Fenway
3. Wrigley
4. Camden Yards
5. Safeco Field
6. Coors Field
7. Comerica Park
8. Busch Stadium (old)
9. Nationals Park
10. Tropicana Field
11. U.S. Cellular Field
12. RFK Stadium
13. Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome

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by cbrett42 on Aug 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you liked the old busch more than the new nationals park?

i havent been there, but it looks pretty cool. And the old Busch was just atrocious.

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may be misjudging because it was only the second MLB stadium I had been to, and I witnessed a Royals win

I didn’t think old Busch was that bad. We were in the upper deck, and I thought it was nice that the stadium was so upright that it felt like we were right on top of the field. Cheap seats in newer stadiums are way back from the action.

Nationals Park is the most generic new stadium possible. The food options are good, but that’s the best thing I have to say about it. It’s not a bad place to watch baseball (no place is a bad place to watch baseball), but there’s nothing that makes it especially nice or memorable.

Nationals Park is probably objectively better, but I’m basing this on my impressions of each stadium, and I expected Nationals Park to be more.

I am Billy Butler's Gold Glove.

by cbrett42 on Aug 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There may also be a little bit of bias in ranking U.S. Cellular Field so low. But the Trop was a lot nicer than I expected for an indoor stadium.

I am Billy Butler's Gold Glove.

by cbrett42 on Aug 18, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh

Safeco is a nice ballpark

Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
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by ratherfantastic on Aug 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Safeco is pretty darn nice

Clam chowder, and beer….when the wind is coming off the sound into the ball park.

 Oh man, almost is better than Boulevard Pale Ale and Jack Stack sitting along the 1B line.

When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm always waffling the idea to move to Washington and become a Grass Creek ambassador

just not right at the moment

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by ratherfantastic on Aug 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good list

Mine:

1. AT&T Park – gorgeous, delicious food, great outfield plaza area, McCovey Cove is unique
2. Camden Yards – holds up really well, best hot dogs I’ve had at a game
3. Wrigley Field – kinda dumpy but the atmosphere makes up for it
4. Comerica Park – see above
5. New Busch Stadium – pretty blah and generic but has a great skyline
6. Citizens Bank Ballpark – pretty blah and generic without a great skyline
7. Yankee Stadium – pretty dumpy. All it had was history going for it.
8. Old Busch Stadium – not terrible for a football stadium
9. The Metrodome – felt like being in a mall – at least they had Leinenkugel
10.RFK Stadium – I can’t imagine a stadium worse

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Camden Yards
2. Wrigley Field
3. Rangers Stadium (forgot what it is called)
4. Nationals Park
5. Old Busch Stadium
6. RFK Stadium/Astrodome — two miscarriages of architectural design

by marbotty on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petco does not get much mention

maybe because going to a game is often not a priority when visiting San Diego, but I was really impressed. It has the retro feel without the fake Disneyland vibe, with nice touches like the warehouse as the leftfield foul pole and the beach in the outfield. Most of it is open, so you can walk around and keep track of the game. It fits nicely in the nightlife district of downtown and next to the water. And the ticket and food prices were relatively reasonable. The Padres fans are too laid back, but that is not really the stadium’s fault.

by Gopherballs on Aug 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petco is awesome

the warehouse is a nice touch and don’t get me started about the garlic fries…

by stram#1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks awesome on TV

I spent some time in the Gaslamp District before the stadium was yet open, and I had a blast. That is a really awesome area. And it used to be the worst part of the city.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been on a couple of extending Stadium tours with a fellow peanut vendor,

but they both took place prior to the last wave of new construction, so I am woefully behind in ranking the new “retro” parks.

I have, however, been to a minor league park that I thought was simply awesome, in Corpus Christi. (On a national bowling tournament trip, of course). Best feature was the outfield faced a canal from the sea; midway thru the game, a giant ship went waltzing across the outfield. If you didn’t know the canal was there, it would definitely be a surreal moment in the extreme!

As a bonus, saw future major leaguers Hunter Pence and Ben Zobrist play that night. (and future Royals career minor league backup catcher J R House)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Aug 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the view

down into the stadium from the bridge is crazy! can you see the aircraft carrier from the seats?

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by grantfunk on Aug 19, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My list:

Comerica’s slightly underrated in my book. The Tiger statues are wonderfully kitschy. Since folks are putting lists up and since I’ve been to 26 of 30 (ex Marlins, Braves and the two Texases), here’s mine:

1. Fenway (it’s absolutely electric. hate the bosox, love the stadium)
2. Wrigley (a blast)
3. PNC (what a ridiculously good view. great sightlines and they relegated the press to the upper deck. it’s a huge deal for the fans)
4. PacBell or whatever SF’s called (siting is perfect, weather is almost always wonderful)
5. Kauffman (no joke. it’s a great great stadium. it was top-10 before the renovations, but it can’t get any better than the top-four…)
6. Dodgers (it’s like old Kaufman with palm trees and 15,000 extra seats
7. Camden (it holds up very well. saw it again a month ago and it’s still a great place to see a game)
8. Safeco (mostly because I love Seattle and they didn’t screw it up at all)
9. CitiField (really. it’s wonderful. been there three times already. going again tonight. they did a very nice job with this one)
10. Coors (solid stadium in a great location)
11. Angels (very good)
12. Petco (san diego weather and otherwise solid)
13. Chase (a little too gimmicky, but fine)
14. Comerica
15. Citizens Bank
16. Yankee Stadium (meh. nothing to get all that excited about.)
17. Nationals (blah)
18. Jacobs Field (or whatever it’s called. i never liked it that much, even when it was a trailblazer)
19. New Busch (wretched use of a wonderful view. too loud (the music, not the fans), too hot, too craptastic)
20. Miller (the roof is too preponderant…it dominates everything and the scale is all off as a result)
21. Great American (the worst of the new breed. average in every sense)
22. A’s (the weather’s usually great and it’s kind of a fun place, but can be a tomb)
23. US Cellular (obsolete the day it opened. they’ve improved it some, but it’s still pretty bad
24. Skydome (i don’t remember a thing about it other than it’s very big)
25. Metrodome (thank god it’s over)
26. The Trop (bad building bad fans)

As I look at the list, I realize that many of the mediocre ones are the ones i only attended one game at. Miller, Petco, Angels, Citizens Bank, Nationals, Great American. The rest I’ve seen multiple times. It’s possible that they improve on multiple trips…

by billexgordler on Aug 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Are you referring to New Yankee or Old Yankee?

I haven’t been to all that many stadiums, just Yankee (old), Shea, Citi, Camden and the K. And I think I can safely say without bias that Kauffman is the best of the lot.

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by cmkeller on Aug 19, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Yankee

Old Yankee was a toilet. The new one is just average…

by billexgordler on Aug 20, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome, envy-inspiring list, by the way

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by devil_fingers on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I’ve been pretty lucky. Took a motorcycle trip around the country a couple years ago and knocked off most of them. I live in NYC so I can get to Fenway, Citi, Yankee, Citizens Bank, Camden and Nationals without too much hassle. That plus whenever I travel I try to take in a game.

by billexgordler on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most of the stadiums I go to seem to get demolished (or are slated for demolition)

Aside from Kauffman (haven’t been to the new one yet, but I just moved back to KC for at least a little while and should go soon) and Wrigley Field, I’ve been to:
Exhibition Stadium (ca. 1988 to see the Royals play the Blue Jays…probably a nice CFL stadium, but it wasn’t a good baseball one)
the Kingdome (kaboom)
Yankee Stadium (replaced, soon to be gone)
also, I saw Chiefs games at erstwhile baseball stadiums Mile High (gone) and the Metrodome (soon to be).

None of the many more venues where I’ve seen college sporting events have been torn down, however. I guess, though, colleges are more likely to keep obsolete arenas (like Barnhill Arena in Fayetteville, AR, or Allen Fieldhouse) at least as secondary facilities or simply expand and renovate their football stadiums. Even Kemper is still out there—though Madison Square Garden is just as bad or worse. Unfortunately, I never made it to see Rocky vs. Apollo Creed at the Philadelphia Spectrum. Wachovia Center isn’t bad, though. I’m sort of joking about the Phog.

by mikewormdog on Aug 19, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hating on MSG?

Really? That place is pretty freaking cool. It’s very odd, yes, and not easy to get around, but something about the way the bowl is situated or the lighting or whatever or the way the suites are stuck up in the rafters makes it the most intimate 20,000 seat arena I’ve ever seen. A great, great place to see a game.

by billexgordler on Aug 20, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MSG isn't inherently bad...

But of all the indoor sports arenas I’ve been to, I’d say only Nassau Coliseum is worse, and everything in MSG is insanely overpriced, which magnifies the lack of greatness.

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by cmkeller on Aug 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MSG is a horrible place and

an extension of Penn Station, a horrible place in its own right. The destruction of the old Penn Station (a wonderful building that should have been renovated like Grand Central) to build that arena and the new underground station adds to its low marks. It’s basically Kemper Arena with lots of escalators, but not quite as nice. It’s dark, cramped, expensive, and sort of like LaGuardia Airport. The only thing going for it is that it’s in New York, which makes it famous and adds to the cool factor. Stick any arena built since 1985 in that setting, and it’s an immediate improvement. MSG 4 is now somewhat historic (simply because this version’s been around for 40+ years), but like the old Yankee Stadium (at least in its post-1970s form), isn’t architecturally or aesthetically pleasing.

by mikewormdog on Aug 20, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will concede ALL of your objections...

…and STILL argue that MSG is one of the best arenas in the country. Yes, the destruction of Penn Station is one of the great tragedies of American preservation—and as an architecture guy, I’m horrified by its demise. (and yes, the “new” Penn Station is an abomination.) Yes, it’s an eyesore. Yes, it has terribly cramped concourses with poor facilities and preposterously overpriced food. And but still it wipes the floor with almost every new arena in the US, in terms of atmosphere and “feel.” The suites are all on the top—many the new places have TWO tiers of suites between the bottom and top levels. The tiers aren’t as well defined as many new places, which makes it simultaneously both coherent and charmingly in-. The floor is lit brightly and the seating areas are dim, which makes the court/ice feel like a stage. I can’t argue with your context argument, because who knows whether it would feel the same in some other city, but in NYC, the Garden is every bit as legendary as billed.

I hated Yankee stadium, I hate the Knicks, the Rangers and every other NY-area team. If anything, I have an anti-NYC bias. If you want HDTVs and sports bars and indoor fireworks shows and clean bathrooms and so on, go to Staples Center or American Airlines Center/Arena or Sprint Center or wherever, but if you want a great spectator experience, go to the Garden.

by billexgordler on Aug 20, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting subplot on Mad Men this week

Sterling Cooper is asked to do PR for a group that wants to bulldoze Penn Station and build Madison Square Garden.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So glad you enjoyed the park, and that our fans treated you good. When we went to Minnesota (albeit, for football) we had stuff thrown at our heads.

I’ve read a review of CoPa once where someone thought the skyline and the city looked like trash, but I have nooo idea how anyone can look at the skyline from the park and think it anything but beautiful.

And yes, those scoreboards need MAJOR upgrading. I’d love to see your scoreboard in KC. I’m thinking of moving to Missouri so maybe I’ll have a chance sometime to do that.

We just visited Houston’s park, there’s no service fee or taxes on the tickets, it was awesome. And their stadium is real nice too.

by anaaki on Aug 19, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Football crowds seem to be much bigger jerks to opposing fans

I don’t think I’ve seen a Chiefs game that didn’t have a scuffle between Chiefs fans and opposing fans.

I always wear Royals gear to opposing games, and have never had anything but friendly banter. It helps I guess that the feeling towards Royals fans is mostly sympathy, not hostility.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

Yeah. When we saw a game in Toronto, the fans were super nice, and mostly chatted us up about how bad some of the Jays players were at the time. Of course, we were coming off a bad year too. I guess we can all relate to each other in some way.

by anaaki on Aug 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2004 season opener when Da Meat Hook broke his leg or whatever?

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by devil_fingers on Aug 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed Comerica Park.

Saw the Royals win 2 of 3 there in 2007. The fans were really nice, particularly when I said I cheered for the Tigers in the World Series.

Unfortunately, from a tourist standpoint, Detroit is not as interesting as many of our other major cities.

by jbrocato on Aug 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you guys make one "baseball trip" in your lifetimes...

Make it to PNC Park. Absolute stunner. Everything about it is top notch (aside from the product on the field).

Pittsburgh has also done a great job of maintaining it’s downtown area, too. Very clean and safe, with plenty of activities going on during the summer weekends.

by Toxicadam on Aug 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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