Anatomy of a trade(s)
I wanted to do a little analysis of some of the differences between the Royals' path and the A's as it pertains to some of the trades that each team has made over the past several years, just to demonstrate how much this particular aspect of the organization has hurt the Royals over the past several seasons:
First, a sampling of what Billy Beane has done:
Mark Mulder-1st round pick in 1998. Traded in 2004 for Kiko Calero, Daric Barton, and Dan Haren. While Calero is long-gone and Barton hasn't made any impact, the A's got several outstanding years of Haren, and then traded-
Dan Haren, traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Brett Anderson (minors), Chris Carter (minors), Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith. Anderson and Eveland are still a big piece of the A's future, Cunningham is currently on the team although not performing well (only 23), and Gonzalez and Smith were traded-
Gonzalez and Smith traded along with Huston Street for Matt Holliday. The A's got 1/2 of a year of Holliday's services and then traded-
Matt Holliday for Brett Wallace, who is a top prospect in AAA and also expected to be part of the next A's core.
So, for Mark Mulder the team ended up with 2 pitchers and 2 hitters who are all projected to be a part of the core of the next generation of good A's teams. The point is, that the trade of a single good player drafted 11 years ago is still producing results for the A's, both now and into the next several years.
Let's look at a couple of Royals' trades for reference, shall we?
Johnny Damon-35th pick in 1992. The Royals got several productive seasons out of him and then traded-
Damon and Mark Ellis! to the A's for Angel Berroa, AJ Hinch and Roberto Hernandez. Other than a RoY campaign in 2003 from Berroa, the Royals ended up with jack squat. Meanwhile, Damon has gone on to win a WS ring and continue to be one of the better hitters in baseball, and Mark Ellis has been a fixture at 2nd for the A's for several years.
Not convinced? OK, how about this?
Jermaine Dye-acquired via trade for Michael Tucker. Had several productive years with the Royals, including an All-Star campaign in 2000, and then was traded-
For Neifi Perez. Enough said, let's move on.
I could do the Beltran trade, but we all know how that one's turned out. I could also mention the Appier trade (D'Amico, Rigby, Stein) or David Cone (Sinnes, Medrano, Stynes) but that would be piling on.
What is the point? The point is that while Billy Beane has made trades that have continued to help his team, the Royals are STILL digging out from trades of the few productive players they had for NOTHING. Trades that were made several years ago can and do have a very lasting impact on an organization, both good and bad. We are still seeing the negative impact of this series of historically bad trades in KC. It's not going to get fixed overnight.
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Good Post
the ne factor you left out was that we have crappy gms while Beane is amazing and revolutionized baseball
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto - BouJouma
Please takeyour latte circle jerk to another thread. -WU
babies are young and under team control for at least 12 years -Billyok
i heard kenny williams' mother bought a lottery ticket and lost so kenny williams traded his mother - Billyok
That was kind of the point as well
These personnel moves, whether they be trades or draft picks, just kill you for years if you blow them.
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 19, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
true
sometimes teams can make up, like the pirates(even though they are terrible right now,as are we), they trade players for other 1st rounders so it’s kinda like they made up for it
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto - BouJouma
Please takeyour latte circle jerk to another thread. -WU
babies are young and under team control for at least 12 years -Billyok
i heard kenny williams' mother bought a lottery ticket and lost so kenny williams traded his mother - Billyok
Beane happened to be in the book Moneyball, he didn't revolutionize baseball
Branch Rickey loved OBP a long time ago. Billy Beane is just a smart guy stockpiling what used to be a cheap resource. And do you honestly think he would have agreed to do the book, if he thought that his “secret” wasn’t already out there? Why would he give the other teams the secret to his success?
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Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto - BouJouma
Please takeyour latte circle jerk to another thread. -WU
babies are young and under team control for at least 12 years -Billyok
i heard kenny williams' mother bought a lottery ticket and lost so kenny williams traded his mother - Billyok
Roberto Hernandez wasn't terrible.
He wasn’t Soria, but the Royals have had worse closers.
Oakland has a "process" I could actually trust
In fairness, the Beltran trade wasn’t nearly the disaster that some others were. At least we got several league average (for their position) seasons out of both Teahen and Buck. In addition, Teahen could still probably be turned into a couple of more prospects, so this trade could still be evaluated further in the future.
That being said, you make a great point – Oakland GM is not afraid to trade his assets and rebuild when appropriate. KC GMs (both Baird and Moore) have been extremely reluctant to trade current wins for future wins. Frankly, I have to go back to ownership, at least partially. There almost HAS to be some WIN NOW pressure from the Glass family, right? Want proof? Well, it’s fairly well documented in the past that certain potential trades that Baird had worked out were nixed by ownership (something they should NOT due, IMHO). In addition, on at least one occasion a gun was held to Baird’s head and he was told to trade a player no matter what with only a day or two’s notice before the trade deadline passed. This resulted in the infamous Dye fiasco.
Please note – I’m not necessarily defending Baird/Moore – just feel that you can’t evaluate either in a vacuum, given the likelihood that they are operating within unreasonable constraints dictated by a tight-ass, dumbshit, piss-poor owner.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

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