What's Been Your Biggest Royals Mistake?
This might be an interesting off-day discussion topic: what's been your biggest mistake as a Royals fan? Many of us have been quite critical of the Royals this season, so maybe it's only fair that we also come forward with all the times that we were wrong about what we thought.
No, it isn't the same of course, at least not until we also start getting paid full time to make baseball decisions, complete with people working for us. However, in the spirit of fair play it's healthy to admit that sometimes, everyone is wrong: the professionals, the players, the media, the fans. No one is right all the time.
In all your years as a fan and an armchair general manager what's been your biggest mistake? I'll get the discussion going with some of my own.
- I thought the Royals were lucky and fluky in 2003, but that, thanks to Juan Gonzalez and some internal improvements, the Royals would contend in 2004.
- I invested way too much time and feeling into the Calvin Pickering/Ken Harvey position battle.
- I have, at various times, seriously thought that Jimmy Gobble was sent to the bullpen too quickly, that he wasn't given enough of a shot as a starter.
- I always really overrated Mike Wood.
- I hated the Bannister-Burgos trade. I was wrong about it in 2007. Then, I thought Bannister was more or less done in 2009. Wrong again.
- I loved the Shealy-Affeldt trade.
- I hated the Gil Meche signing.
- I did not hate the Guillen signing nearly enough.
- Tony Pena Jr. was way better than I thought he would be. In 2007.
- I was once pretty worried that Dayton was going to aggressively bring in Born Again Christians, when in reality, he's been incredibly willing to bring in guys who have character issues.
- I once called for Costa Now! Believing that Shane had developed a power stroke.
- I spent too long not appreciated David DeJesus enough.
- I never really believed that Greinke would blossom the way he did. Until last season, I always thought his strikeout rates were too low, and that he would always give up too many home runs to truly be an elite pitcher.
- This is more of a general mistake, but I spent way too long mostly ignoring or questioning the value of defense. As such, I raged against the Doug Mientikiewicz signing, when it really wasn't that bad.
It's hard to say which one of these has been my biggest mistake. Hating on the Meche signing is up there, surely, as is dismissing the Bannister trade. Worst overall, however, might be the misreading of the Shealy-Affledt trade. Shealy has done nothing since joining the Royals, while JA has done well for years now: a double whiff.
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I tell you all about my mistakes
as soon as I make one
BOOYAH
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
My mistakes
I thought Dayton knew his shit.
I bought the “we’re gonna use sabremetrics” line
I thought Gorden would be a sure thing
1977 & 1989 Royals - We shoulda won it all dammit
by Trey_has_no_pulse on Aug 20, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Confession time: I've made tiny big mistake(s)
- Hated the Meche deal at the time (although there’s still time for me to be “vindicated” on that one, I hope I’m not)
- Thought Emil Brown sucked, when he was actualy decent for the money in 2005 and really good in 2006
- LIke everyone in the pre-defensive stat days, hated the Dougie Deal
- Didn’t say anything publicly, but part of me gave up on Bannister after last season’s fiasco
- Vastly underappreciated Mark Grudzelaniek
- Even more vastly underappreciated Justin Huber’s
- Most vastly underappreciated Buddy Bell’s wisdom: “I never say it can’t get worse.”
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"Justin Huber's pinch-running expertise"
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropping the Ball ...
Which leads me to number one …
1. Had an almost torrid love affair with Esteban German. Still think he could have added valuably to the offense and should have been the leadoff hitter we were always missing, but the less he played, the more I practically deified the guy. Hated Mark Grudzialanek just because he got in the way of Esteban German playing the same position (at which he wasn’t awful, probably not quite Callaspo bad). Come to think of it … we pretty much have Esteban German again, don’t we? Viva Callaspo!
2. Hated every 2008-2009 offseason free agent signing and trade, except one: Juan Cruz.
3. Thought the Royals should have traded Grienke this past off-season if they weren’t going to sign him longterm, figuring his value had peaked and that the roster assembled wasn’t good enough to compete. Right on the second, dead wrong on the first.
4. Was happy when Mike Sweeney’s contract trigger kicked in after the 2003 season. If not for that, he gets traded the next season when he still has value, and the Royals get better pieces for the long term.
5. Thought Chip Ambres might have some MLB use as a platoon vs. left handed pitching. Top that one.
I also fell for the Shealy/Dohmann for Affeldt/Batista deal.
by Walter Fulbright on Aug 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Next year
The things that everyone is missing here is that the Royals have NO tradeable veteran assets.
Many of the other struggling teams were able to dump veterans for a collection of young rising kids. The Royals did not. We kept Meche, Guillen, Buck, Olivio and the rest of the bums we have.
The Royals will not win unless they vastly improve all three areas. HITTING, pitching and defense….and they did nothing to help themselves at the deadline. They can’t even get their top draft picks signed.
This franchise is a joke and run by a bunch of stiffs.
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by Peterman700 on Aug 20, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What draft picks have the Royals not signed lately?
Unless I’m missing the obvious, I can’t think of any.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when I told you to do some research?
You didn’t do it. Name me one player that we did not sign in the top 10 picks the last 3 (GMDM) drafts.
Don’t help him guys, there’s 3. That’s counting Crow. So you only have to come up with 2 on your own. Here’s a hint: One of them gave up $1.5 million to go to Vanderbilt out of the 7th round last year.
Here’s your other hint: The other has been terrible at Iowa drafted the 9th round two years ago.
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by 306008 on Aug 20, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty sure that the Royals had signed all the "important" ones
and that there were a few who chose to go to college after telling the Royals that they would sign for X amount.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty sure that Mike Jacobs was going to catch fire when he hit in Kauffman Stadium
I may have been a bit high on Ryan Shealy too, I forget if I was
but Pickering over Harvey was not a mistake. Tony Pena screwed Pickering over with stuff like putting him in to face Moyer
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by BHWick on Aug 20, 2009 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Shealy has been injured and mishandled a bit by the Royals
Affeldt finally developed into a quality reliever. I was sad to see him go, but didn’t feel the trade was lopsided like the ones we’ve seen lately. That seemed to be a fair swap of upside potential, with the Royals coming out slightly ahead if Shealy could deliver 20-25 homers a year. I wouldn’t beat myself up about that one if I were you, I mean, you can’t win every trade (though it would be nice if the Royals would win at least 1 every once in a while).
I think the Royals are going to contend every year. That’s my biggest mistake. Being a ridiculously optimistic homerrific idiot every spring because baseball is back, and I have some hope that every single Royals player will come together in gigantic breakout seasons, and everything will fall correctly, and the Royals will make the playoffs!
Another that was mentioned above would be the Sweeney clause that 2003 triggered. I was so happy that Sweeney was staying. I still love the guy. He made Royals baseball bearable in the early parts of this decade. Then the 2003 mirage, and Sweeney’s back gives out the next year. I wonder how he’s even in the league at this point. He plays for love of the game, that’s for sure, because he has more than enough of Glass’s money.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 3:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Mishandled a bit by the Royals"
This is why the “We took Gordon instead of Braun or Zimmerman” or “We took Hochevar instead of Longoria or Lincecum” complaints can ever be fully valid—you can’t possibly predict what being in a different system would have done to all of them. Until the process starts showing that the big draft picks are being developed into actual good-to-great major leaguers, the process can’t be (dare I say) trusted.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But I think people are way too worried about Alex Gordon. This is a lost season. Has been since he injured his hip. He’ll be back next year, hopefully on the Billy Butler breakout path. And even if he doesn’t, he can be league average.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shame...
I believed in the bullpen in April.
I thought Hochevar would deal.
Bats would be tolerable.
by bas on Aug 20, 2009 5:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My biggest mistake
I bought the Direct TV Extra Innings for the first-time ever on the day the Royals were 18-11. Seen a lot of dropped pop-ups by Callaspo and botched 3-6-3 double plays since then.
by Toothpick on Aug 20, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
whoops
we have a winner
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Aug 20, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's your fault.
where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!
by blue bandwagon on Aug 20, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few before I go play 36 holes of golf...
1) I thought Ken Harvey should have been given a longer look
2) I thought (still think) Costa is a solid 4th OF’er or better.
3) I thought Chris George was going to save the organization
4) I thought Jeremy Affeldt was going to save the organization
5) I thought (still hope sort of) that GMDM was going to save the organization
6) Earlier this year, right after the epic 18-11 start (is that # destined to be as immortalized in KC as 83?), I was calling for Billy Butler to be sent down. Not to learn anything, but because he wasn’t producing @ the plate.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Aug 20, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mistake
Ripping Rob Neyer for not buying into “Born Again Glass and the New Regime” circa late 2007/early 2008…
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Aug 20, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I taught my son to love the Royals
Does that legally obligate me to pay for the therapy he’ll be getting the rest of his life?
Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?
by royalsroyalsroyals on Aug 20, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Life can be disappointing
You’re just thickening his skin. It’s good for him.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blast from the past
I thought A. J. Hinch was a real sleeper and would blossom.
I ate crab legs with George Brett. [insert stupid smiley emoticon.]
by BrRoyal on Aug 20, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought the Royals would be mediocre this year
instead of terrible.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Aug 20, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- After they finished just 6 games behind the A’s in ’73, occupying first place as late as August 16, I thought the additions of Briles and Pattin in ’74 would put the Royals over the top in the AL West.
- I was devastated when the Royals lost Ruppert Jones in the 1976 expansion draft (Mariners/Blue Jays).
- Hated the deal that sent Quirk, Wohlford, and McClure to the Brewers.
- Bet my college roommate that the Royals would beat the Yankees in the ‘77 ALCS. Well, that wasn’t the mistake. The mistake was that the loser of the bet had to do the winners’ laundry, and as an oarsman he piled up a lot of laundry. Actual money would have been the superior loss.
Extremis malis extrema Soria.
by 2X2L on Aug 20, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ruppert Jones
Seems like he was a decent player for a few years. Probably was a mistake to lose him, although I guess we really didn’t have room for him with Cowens/Wilson/Otis already in the OF and Hal at DH.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Ruppert had a nice career, and it would have been nice if the Royals had been able to hold onto him through the expansion draft, if only so that they could trade him later on. If they chose to protect Poquette over Jones (I don’t remember and can’t find the info just now), they made a mistake.
But there was really no way to know this at the time, and my reaction was way overblown. The Royals had their best won-loss record ever in the season immediately following the loss of Jones, and even if that record was inflated somewhat because of the usual expansion effect, I guess I can admit in retrospect that life went on without him.
Extremis malis extrema Soria.
by 2X2L on Aug 20, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually-The decision at the time
was between Willie Wilson and Ruppert Jones. I guess my mistake was being pissed that they protected Wilson and let Jones go.
Is it safe?
by KHAZAD on Aug 20, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my mistakes
liked the mike jacobs signing
also though grienke shouldve been traded last year
did not like the meche signing, too much money for a projected 3rd starter
WHAT I think still needs to be done
trade teahan now, his value IS at its highest
trade Gordon for someone who hits over .275 with same or more power then gordon
find suitor for meche trade, and get a young promising starter at all costs, play hardball.
find a way to dump Guillen/Jacobs salary, either one, both prefferably
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by DESTROYER on Aug 20, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs is on a year to year contract
from arbitration eligibility for the next two years (meaning, we can just let him go if we want at the end of the year)
by bigmark14 on Aug 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few
I wholly endorsed Dayton Moore for GM and endorsed Trey Hillman for manager even before either were publicly made candidates.
I hated the Gil Meche signing
I loved the Ryan Shealy/Jeremy Affeldt deal
I thought Luke Hochevar was a great draft pick, and would be the next Brandon Webb while Tim Lincecum would spend his entire career on the DL
Didn’t like the Minky signing
I thought we shouldn’t re-sign Raul Ibanez because he would decline rapidly
I thought Dan Reichert would be an All-Star
I hated the Jermaine Dye/Michael Tucker trade
I asked my dad for playoff tickets the day we signed Mark Davis
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot one
Thought letting Ruben Gotay go was a huge mistake. I thought he would eventually be an All-Star.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye/Tucker
I remember Tucker having a pretty good season the BRAVEST WAY™ that year and also being disappointed in the trade.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mistakes
I was in KC the day of Game 4 of the 1980 World Series, but DID NOT go out to the stadium to see if I could scalp 2 tickets for my Dad & I.
Did not go to the 1985 World Series championship parade
Asking former Royals pitcher Vida Blue for his autograph in 2 more occasions in 2 years after he blew me off the first time
Thinking Pat Sheridan deserved the 1983 A.L. Rookie of the Year award
by RoyalsFan on Aug 20, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ack
I either posted or considered posting something about Trey Hillman being a guy who “knows how to win” and then deconstructed how “knowing how to win” actually can mean something, tactically and strategically, meaning that the phrase can mean putting your players into position to win, instructing them how to execute those things critical to winning and then following through in game situations. Adapting to changing circumstances as demonstrated in his Japanese/MILB successes, etc etc. I feel shame.
THAT SAID (or, appearing in a “What’s Been Your Biggest Royals Mistake—2012 edition” post coming to you soon), in my mind, Hillman’s not a problem. Every manager makes stupid decisions, but I think Trey’s been okay. Soria’s getting six-out saves regularly now, which probably 80-85% of managers wouldn’t do. He benched Jacobs when it was clear he couldn’t play the field or hit lefties. He plays Butler virtually every day.
The problem with this team is not Hillman. The problem with this team is bad players.
Archive the above. That’s gonna be priceless in like two years.
by billexgordler on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes Hillman has improved his management a little...
but that doesn’t change that he is way too goddamned stubborn before he makes changes.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Aug 20, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'll learn not to be stubborn
I’d still rather see somebody else managing the team.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll limit this to the recent Royals teams
Share some of the same mistakes as RR, actually:
Did not like the Burgos for Bannister trade (in my defense, I did not have inside info on what an asshole Burgos was, nor did I know how intelligent Banny was)
Also loved the Shealy acquisition. (that sorta worked out for the first half-season, when Shealy actually produced semi-ok)
Thought Pickering would be good, if given a chance (in my defense, he wasn’t really given a chance, if you believe in sample size theories)
Compared Butler/Gordon combo to Frank Thomas/Robin Ventura. (Well, at least I can still hope that Butler becomes Thomas lite) That was too optimistic!
On the positive side, I did envision Greinke being this good. I also advocated for using failed starters as relievers over the years (Tom Gordon, Witasick, Gobble); some of these suggestions would have greatly helped the Royals, but they didn’t do them.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Aug 20, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mistakes
1. Liked the Crisp deal
2. Sorta liked the Cruz signing.
3. Paulo Orlando’s 2011 centerfield debut looks a little shaky.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Aug 20, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The injury to Crisp was unfortunate...
but I think if he had not been injured (which is a longshot) he could have had a very solid season.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Aug 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it still doesn't mean it was a good trade though
Giving up RamRam, who has done nothing to dissuade me from thinking he’s a closer-in-waiting, was too much for somebody the Red Sox might have cast off like they did with Julio Lugo. Crisp really didn’t fit their plans with Ellsbury there. I think Crisp could have had a good season here, and I like the guy, but I still don’t like how he was brought here.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you imagine how many more wins we'd have this year with RamRam in the 8th?
Not Wright, Colon, or Bale?
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by 306008 on Aug 20, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I can.
I did a post on that about a month ago… They’d still be terrible, but a lot closer to .500.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this one is easy. believing (initially) that Trey Hillman can manage.
and thereafter an entertaining transformational thought process concerning Hillman. such as— hmmmm, post spring training 2007, to where’s the small ball, will 2007 Meche’s arm fall off, to— good managers find players—this fellow is failing miserably in that respect, to— good managers improve players—ain’t happening, to good managers prevent injuries—ain’t happening, to— good managers implement rudimentary game strategy to—this is ludicrous, to— this fellow instead of controlling the ebb and flow of competition is without any clue, preparing your team for game, having your players ready for situations, ain’t happening, to this year’s personal transformation that this fellow lacks a few marbles to that this manager has a dysfunctional thought process to—how can GMDM allow this to continue.
Hillman’s success in Japan remains the great mystery. Was there possibly a shadow Jap manager that ran things?
by Coach Feb on Aug 20, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His style of management in Japan probably worked because the players didn't understand what he was actually saying
The interepreter took the Hillman-isms and turned them into actual literate Japanese. He probably came off as a poet. Credit the interpreter with the success.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking this question to heart
and exploring over three years’ worth of my Royals-related blog posts. It’s been a hilarious journey so far, and will turn into a (hopefully) interesting post.
One gem I’ve found so far: in early 2007, I was excited that KC’s rotation was about to become “respectable” because Scott Elarton and Luke Hudson were about to get back up to the Bigs.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Aug 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ah, Luke Hudson
is he still alive?
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND PROBABLY STILL STEALING MONEY WITH ALL OF THIS "INJURIES!!!!one"
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he retired this year after ST
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Aug 20, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked Luke Hudson
But there’s no excuse for liking Scott Elarton. That guy stunk.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Hudson retired this spring.
People have suggested that he should do TV broadcasting, but cameras terrify him. He could do radio, though? He’s good people.
As for Elarton, I know I liked him a lot because he had THREE labrum surgeries. Having ONE of those is miserable enough, but three? That’s madness. But that doesn’t excuse me from thinking he’d actually be helpful a the ML level.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Aug 20, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's rough, I did not know that about Elarton.
If people’s talents were equal to the size of their grit, heart, determination, and hardships, the Royals would win the World Series for the next 5 years.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in no order
1.i liked the jacobs deal, thought we might be able to get him to play a little better.
2.thought guillen was expensive, but we’d finally be getting a competent player
3.i’ve never lost faith in hochevar (shown flickers of not-wrongness)
4.biggest worry about hosmer and moustakas was re-signing them
notice how all of the areas i was wrong point to this organization not being a mess.
by 9il on Aug 20, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i've also thought we had a reasonable chance to be a .500 team
just about every year. and that Alex Gordon would have been a two-time all-star by now.
by 9il on Aug 20, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine
1. Thought Storm and Mark Davis would lead us to the promised land.
2. Hated the Dye for Tucker trade.
3. Thought Felix Jose was going to be an all-star.
4. Liked the Jacobs deal.
5. Bought partial season tickets in 2004 and like the Gonzalez signing.
by Stook on Aug 20, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So no one thought Carlos Febles was going to be a star like me.
Also, I liked Fat Elvis before he turned into Fat Elvis.
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Aug 20, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can remember the days when the royals always had a good offense
or seemed to
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney, Grudz, and Gload will explode....
those were the days….
by grudz96 on Aug 20, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was also maybe wrong about the new K
I was more or less against both a new stadium and the renovations plan, but now have softened a little bit and think that it may have been worthwhile to renovate
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more games I watch there, the more I dislike all of the new stuff.
It’s like going to the fair one too many days.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 20, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking about this
I am heading down to KC in September, which will be my first time at the “new” K. The thing i loved above all else about the old K was the grass beyond the outfield fence. Not sure I’m going to like it as it is now, from pictures I’ve seen and on TV it now looks like pretty much any other stadium.
by kcbottom9th on Aug 20, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea... loved that old look as well
tryly unique
they halfway killed it a few years ago with the truck, etc. and now it’s all mostly gone
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked both versions
But I’ve always thought they should put seating out there in the outfield. They were the only stadium I’ve ever seen where only 10% of the homerun balls hit make it into the actual seats.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The seating doesn't bother me as much as taking out the grass in CF
and all the shit behind the fences. However, I understand the desire to get the families and idiots out there.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 21, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the grass might have stayed in CF, but traffic flow was more important
With the fountains, there was no way to get anyone out of the outfield except where they came in if they left CF as grass. But I miss it a bit too.
If there was some kind of skylilne behind the stadium, it would have looked really cool, but it just seems like you are at a baseball game in the middle of nowhere. The old Kauffman with the downtown in the background would have looked phenomenal. But I’m plenty happy with where the stadium is.
by AxDxMx on Aug 21, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought letting Ibanez go was a good idea
by brokenbatsingle on Aug 20, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think it was a good idea
Had the Royals used those picks in a better, or perhaps luckier manner, then it would have looked much better.
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by JM Barten on Aug 20, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On 4/12/2005, I wrote this email to Joe Posnanski:
(Just cut and pasted it right out of my email)
“…We could rationally expect two of our big three to reach
whatever potential they have next year (as Glavine and Smoltz did) and
hope for Bautista to be our Steve Avery, who matured much more quickly
than the other two. We could rationally expect to win 60 something
games this year and gear up for a 90 win breakout next year. It all
depends on a lot more than this, but if we can spend a little money
and keep this team together as Baird says we can, then we every right
to be hopeful for a several-season run with our big 3 starting as
early as next year.”
I really did write that. This might be my most embarrassing moment ever. Looking back on it is like staring at the sun.
Optimistically yours (and I’d say reasonably optimistic),
Jack Campbell
*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"
by jackie ballgame on Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Denny Bautista
That’s another guy I was REALLY high on. Thought he could be Pedro-lite.
I never had much faith in Runelvys, but yea, I thought Greinke/Bautista/Affeldt was going to be a pretty solid rotation for years.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he still?
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's currently on Pittsburgh's AAA team
and his BR profile says “Relatives: Cousin of Pedro Martinez and Cousin of Ramon Martinez”
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where to begin?
-I thought Berrora was the answer at shortstop
-I thought TPJ was the answer at shortstop
-I thought Aviles was the answer at shortstop (may not be entirely wrong)
-thankfully, I did not think YBJ is the answer at shortstop
-inexplicable love of Justin Huber
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 20, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
which means he will be the answer.... lol
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by 306008 on Aug 20, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping Teahen was a great idea
because having him would be a great injury insurance policy and probably be all we need to keep consistency through an injury
by bigmark14 on Aug 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got
myself all excited about the Juan Gonzalez signing.
not really proud of that one.
If I were a drag queen, I'd go out as a Sarah Palin look-alike and title my character 'Miss Information.'
by labbadabba on Aug 20, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Butler or Callespo
I didn’t think either would develop into anything special. Butts has a way to go to become special and Calle may just be a filler. But, they are better then I thought they would be.
I assumed that Fuddo the Clown was as bad as it could get. Hillfart is now coming dangerously close.
by grudz96 on Aug 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mistakes
I loved the Jacobs trade
I really thought Craig Brazell needed mote of a chance.
Mike MacDougal was my guy.
I thought we should’ve traded Greinke last offseason.
Lastly, I thought Mark Teahen would be an elite player.
Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.
by royaldaddy on Aug 20, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I held out hope
that Colt Griffin would be the savior of the franchise long after it was clear that he was a bust.
by Dan Holmes on Aug 20, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My mistake:
Believing the Royals will ever sniff the Playoffs again.
by royalstern05 on Aug 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those people that thought that Baird was getting better by the end of his term
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you for letting us cleanse our souls
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by buddyball on Aug 20, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest thing...
…was spending way too much time and energy worrying about low risk/low upside plays like Matt Diaz and Brayan Pena.
I advocated for a lot of pickups that never happened and didn’t turn out well in the long term anyways. Warren Morris and Bobby Estalella were notable examples. There were a lot more of them in the early part of this decade.
My principled draft policy of no pitchers in the top half of the first round would have resulted in no Greinke. I endorsed Scott Moore as the draft pick of that year.
I ignored said policy the year that they took Hochevar and gave my full endorsement to Brad Lincoln, ignoring my own good sense given that I had loudly agitated for Evan Longoria for at least 6 months prior to that under the guize of “best available player regardless of who you have in the system. Figure out where to put Longoria and Gordon when it becomes an actual issue”. It’s not often you can say that you ignored both your intellectual principles AND your gut feelings all at the same time. I consider it a personal achievement.
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by JM Barten on Aug 20, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meche
I liked Meche as a sleeper his free agent year, but thought of him as a mid-rotation pitcher at best — 6.5 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 4.50 FIP type. He had four usable pitches, including a plus curve. He had seasons where he had posted individual good peripherals — a good K rate here, a good BB rate here, a decent batted ball profile here — just never all in the same season. His last year before free agency he went from a flyball pitcher to a neutral pitcher, which was encouraging. But at the same time, he had been abused pretty badly coming up, the odometer on his arm had been flipped once already, and he had the type of shoulder surgery from which, at the time, the only “successes” were basically him and Carpenter. Perhaps more importantly, he had come-and-go command, and those types of pitchers tend not to age well as their velocity starts to erode. I liked him as a target for a nice mid-career run, but only on an Adam Eaton-type deal (3 years/$24 million) or less.
Meche has certainly performed better than I expected, as he not only put all of the components together, but has improved some them (most notably his BB rate). He also paid dividends on the first couple years of his contract. I am still not a fan of the contract overall (or really, any 5 year deal for a pitcher, especially one with Meche’s profile), but just over halfway into it, it is more of a concern now than outright dislike.
I hated the Guillen signing because of his defense, among other reasons, but thought he would at least hit at a league average clip to make the contract merely bad, not the disaster it became.
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh dang gopher, I agree with gopher, but in less words
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 20, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest mistake as a Royals fan.
-not liking the Meche deal
That is the biggest one. There are others, but I don’t, nay, can’t think about the others.
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 20, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John Buck
sniff
"red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp
by grantfunk on Aug 20, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think my Top 100 countdown
Most of the post on John Buck was dedicated to how he was going to be the next Mike MacFarlane.
We’ll change that in the revised edition.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he really that much different than Mac?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you can cover that
in the Mike Macfarlane (IIRC, he did not capitalize the f) entry.
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by cmkeller on Aug 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is hard to admit...
but before the 2004 season, I steadfastly proclaimed to everyone that I knew that Brian Anderson was going to win the AL Cy Young.
Anderson in 2004: 6-12, 166 IP, 217 hits, 53 BB, 70 Ks, 5.64 ERA.
by SeattleChief on Aug 20, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow... I probably didn't think BA would be that bad
but Cy Young good? Just wow…
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he
like 8-1 with a low, low ERA in his playoff run in 2003. I also thought he was the anchor the rotation was waiting for (well, he turned out to be a different kind of anchor…).
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be confusing some stuff
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/anderbr02.shtml
He went to the playoffs in 2001 and pitched ok. He had some above average years, and some below average ones. He just didn’t stand out, and on a “normal” team, he would have been no better than a #3 starter, though I think I probably expected him to be a respectable #1-2 for us. But I also had some skepticism as good players didn’t sign with the Royals, they left them: Paul Byrd, Carlos Beltran, Dye, Damon.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Boyfriend of the Year candidates
2008: John Buck
2009: Mike Jacobs
I probably should reserve Yuni in 2010 and Willy Tavares in 2011 to make sure I keep that streak of awesomeness going.
Also
—Thought Dean Palmer was the best acquisition ever
—Thought Denny Bautista was going to be an ace
—Thought that no manager being hired could possibly be worse than Buddy Bell
—Wanted to see a lot more of Chip Ambres
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh
And I thought Lima-time part 2 was a brilliant acquisition.
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Aug 20, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the biggest two
Happy about Sweeney’s contract extension kicking in after 2003.
Really excited about the Juan Gonzalez signing.
After those disasters, I grew somewhat more pessimistic, and have fared better.
I was for Burgos for Bannister, but against Sisco for Gload.
Strongly against Howell for Gathright.
Strongly against the 2008/09 offseason (aside from Greinke) – although the one pickup I did like (Cruz) has bombed.
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Aug 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danny Tamayo
Probably no one remembers Danny Tamayo, but for a long time I thought he was going to be our sleeper prospect that became a mid-rotation starter. I don’t think he ever sniffed the big leagues.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't help myself
I’m back, and this is the perfect way to reenter.
1) I thought Dee Brown would be an All-Star caliber player and the face of the franchise on offense for years to come.
2) I thought that both Chris George and Jimmy Gobble, two soft-tossing lefties with great minor league numbers, would be solid MLB starters. Forgive me if I am skeptical about Danny Duffy because of this.
3) In 2004, I believed a rotation of Brian Anderson, Darrell May, Jimmy Gobble, Jeremy Affeldt, and Zack Greinke (5th starter!!!) would be enough to carry the Royals to the AL Central title. WTF was I thinking.
4) I thought Denny Bautista would be a useful pitcher, if not in the rotation then at least in the bullpen as a setup man or closer.
5) I thought the Mike MacDougal trade was awful. But turning MacAttack into Yuniesky Betancourt and Jordan Parraz is not bad, though i would still prefer to have Cortes in the minor league system.
7) I liked the following FA signings at the time – Juan Gonzalez, Reggie Sanders, Yasuhiko Yabuta, Juan Cruz.
8) I disliked the following FA signings at the time – Gil Meche (did anyone actually like this one), Mark Grudzielanek.
9) I didn’t think J.P. Howell would amount to anything useful.
10) I thought (hoped) that Alberto Callaspo would be able to provide league-average defense at 2B.
11) I thought Joakim Soria would be a starting pitcher by 2009. So much for that one.
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Aug 20, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dee Brown absolutely looked like a can't miss prospect
Man he had some power. JoPo documented how the Royals messed him up (and in fairness, he messed himself up). Tragic, he could have been the next Danny Tartabull.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, Callaspo's defense
When he was coming up with the Angels, Baseball America and others said that Callaspo was a decent glove who could hold his own at shortstop. When he finally got to play last year, it became apparent that was not going to happen, but he still might be adequate at 2B. Now, he might be playing himself off 2B for good (which his recent playing time at 3B suggests might happen sooner than later).
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
Gordon to First Bert to 3B, Blomquist to 2B
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon (and Bannister) to White Sox for Paul Konerko
Callaspo to 3B, Bloomquist to 2B
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DDJ to Atlanta for Adam LaRoche
Butler and LaRoche platoon
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in addition to your suggestion
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen non-tendered
to help pay Jason Marquis $52 million over four years.
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know ,we should really stop "oking" about this stuff
After Farnsworth, Betancourt, and Josh Anderson, you’d think we’d learned out lesson
oh to heck with it:
Jermaine Dye’s option isn’t picked up, so he’s signed to be Jose Guillen’s RF platoon partner
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an exchange of "bad" contracts
Juan Cruz for Carlos Silva.
by Gopherballs on Aug 21, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carlos Silva ends up on this team
with the Royals picking up any of his contract, I will quit as a fan until Dayton is fired. That would be pure lunacy. If Dayton hasn’t already “jumped the shark”, that would be it.
by AxDxMx on Aug 21, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought mark redmond would never make it as an all-star...
oh how i was wrong…
where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!
by blue bandwagon on Aug 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or redman
where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!
by blue bandwagon on Aug 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was the same with Ken Harvey
Such the All-Star
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Aug 20, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every year
I bet on the Royals/Red Sox, Royals/Yankees season series. I’ve lost some good stuff: spanking new Louisville Slugger, pizzas, cash and a lot of booze. The payoff came in 2006 (I think) when the Royals actually swept the Sox in a series.
More recent mistake: believing that Mark Teahan was probably going to be THE MAN this year. Saw him in spring training and began to believe. FAIL!
by LaFLamme on Aug 20, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've too many mistakes to count and remember
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I say a lot off the wall shit...
2 things come to mind, the dumbest bet I ever maid was when the Royals were like 17-9 and I bet a friend the Royals would have a better record than the Yankees (gonna lose an Andrew Jackson on that one). Im not surprised Im gonna lose this bet, but i can’t believe how completely different these two teams have been since I made the bet.
And I really thought Gator was gonna be better than he turned out to be. I realize batting average doesn’t mean much but he did hit .300 and I just felt with his speed he had potential.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Aug 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at Fenway in my Royals garb
a day after the John Lester no-hitter. The appreciative Boston fans were all over me. Literally, all over me. Royals got crushed that game, too. The only consolation: Joey Gathright’s ninth inning persnicketiness caused the game to go late and my Red Sox fan friend missed his train home. And it was raining.
by LaFLamme on Aug 20, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Quinn 2000 anybody?
He hit 20 homers and had an OPS of .830. Thought he was gonna be a star.
Also thought if Jeremy Giambi could develop into half the player his brother was, we’d be lucky. We didn’t even get 1/10th.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Giambi should have had a nice little career
but man did he self-destruct.
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
you think it was all him? Exactly what does a baseball player have to do to get traded for hitting bars and clubs too much? (That’s what Moneyball made it sound like).
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all him
He had classic old player skills, so he might have already been in decline even though he had a few years left in him. And at the time, few teams understood the utility of a three true outcomes hitter like him. But his reputation probably kept him from another team giving him another shot. Cleveland probably thought why mess around with this f*** up when we can get a good citizen like Travis Hafner for Einar Diaz.
by Gopherballs on Aug 20, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get exactly what happened with him
he had a great seasons with the bat in 2001 with OAK, 2002 split between oakland and phil — about +25/150 each season. Even for a DH, that’s good. Then he got hurt and had a down year in Boston in 2003, and still had a .342 OBP even though he hit .197.
DId he just never come back from injuries?
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a DH-only coming off an injury, a .197 average, a bad reputation, and a prior drug bust
I don’t think anyone was lining up to sign him in the offseason. It looks like the Dodgers signed him to a minor league deal mid-year, but he only played a few weeks, and he had a cup of coffee in the White Sox system the following year. Around the same time, he started talking to grand juries and publicly admitting steriod use (one of the first players to admit it, so it was shocking at the time), and he was done.
by Gopherballs on Aug 21, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a good strategy for the fringe players, especially for a fringe player with a brother in the middle of a shitstorm.
publicly admitting steriod use
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine
I though Mark Teahen truly did break out in 2006, and would be a true middle of the order powerhouse.
I too hated the Gil Meche deal
I didn’t like Jay Bell when he arrived (what would we give for Jay Bell back?)
I thought Billy Buckner was going to be really good.
I thought DDJ had 4th outfielder stamped all over him.
I was excited when DM was appointed.
I was too harsh on Allard Baird (this isn’t just a reaction to Dayton’s crappiness).
by kcbottom9th on Aug 20, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, DDJ would be a 4th outfielder in an outfield of
Ichiro, Ellsbury, and Holliday. He would be like Mitch Maier compared to those guys. :)
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest this year that I can think of:
Was believing in McClure. I thought he was the reason we were studs in the pen last year and I remember saying something like, if he can do that with what we had last year, think of what he can do with this year!
Also, I thought Olivo had turned around his pitch calling at the beginning of the year when every pitch Grienke threw turned into gold.
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by 306008 on Aug 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea...
McClure used to get A LOT OF LOVE around here
I also fell for it… had an idea that Dayton would always have at least OK bullpens
by royalsreview on Aug 20, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Arm Whisperer
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 20, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like the "he lands on his heel, make him land on his toe" whisperer
One. Trick. Pony.
by AxDxMx on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not down on McClure
I’m not saying he had the magic touch, either, but sometimes talent just wins out. Or, in the case of this years bullpen, the lack thereof.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 20, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was totally awesome
when we got Jefferies, McReynolds, and Miller from the Mets.
I thought we actually made out well on the Beltran deal. It wasn’t the usual deadline payroll dump disaster we’ve come to know and love, but it hasn’t been nearly as good a deal as I thought it would be.
I was also excited when we hired Hillman.
This space for rent.
by jonfmorse on Aug 20, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I BELIEVED in 2003 and didn't learn.
I Believed in May.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 20, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CreĆ
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Aug 20, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I realized there's no Royals game on tonight
and actually felt disappointment.
by LaFLamme on Aug 20, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hated the Joe Foy/ Amos Otis trade at the time.
Jesus, this feels like an intervention …………………and I am so embarrassed…………………
by Steve Hovley on Aug 20, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Foy could have made good use of an intervention.
by 2X2L on Aug 20, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a huge Mark Quinn fan
boy was I wrong.
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 20, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I stayed a fan after moving from KC in 1991.
Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!
by kabrink on Aug 20, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
mine
not in any particular order
1.Thinking Shealy was long term answer at 1st base
2. Thinking Jacobs was going to continue Marlins production.
3. Thinking DM was doing more than sitting at his desk sharpening all his pencils
4. Thinking chris lubanski was our saviour(sounds really stupid right?)
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto - BouJouma
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by The_Fan on Aug 21, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Royals Can't Hit
I purchased ticket to a Royals fireworks game. Because the fireworks are after the game, you have to stay for the entire game.
by Royals Can't Hit on Aug 22, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least you didn't go to the games where the fireworks get rained out
or they don’t happen because of technical difficulties. They do you allow you to use your ticket as a raincheck for another game though, so that’s a plus if you like the torture of sitting through more Royals games.
by AxDxMx on Aug 23, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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