All Part of the Process: Miguel Olivo Beginning to Reach Playing-Time Bonuses
And now, your Miguel Olivo playing time bonuses update. As per Cot's, Olivo's current contract with the Royals includes a number of playing time bonuses. Since John Buck was injured & exiled earlier this season, it looks like Olivo's off-season demand/complaint to be the starting catcher has been fully satisfied.
performance bonuses based on games, plate appearances:
$25,000 each for 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100 games
$50,000 each for 105, 110, 115, 120 games
$25,000 each for 275, 300, 325, 350, 375, 400 PAs
$50,000 each for 425, 450, 475, 500 PAs
Olivo's contract history with the Royals is really fascinating, as it's a chronicle representative of a number of moves Dayton Moore has made. For no real reason, as he did with Ross Gload and Mark Grudzielanek, the Royals keep tearing up old contracts, renegotiating, adding option years, etc. It's almost as if Dayton thinks he's running an NFL team. At the moment, Olivo is set to earn a base salary (again, NFLism) of $2.7 million, with a $3.3 million mutual option for 2010.
As you can see from the data above, Miguel can also earn an additional $700,000 -- 26% of his base pay -- if he hits all of his playing time bonuses. (The CBA between MLB and the MLBPA does not allow performance clauses, per se, although awards based on playing time, playoff appearances, attendance, and, get ready to laugh, tie-ins with awards like the Gold Glove and the other major BBWAA awards are allowed. )
I don't necessarily have a huge problem with all these minutely laid out bonuses, there's just something a bit amateurish about the whole thing. For one, why does Olivo need a $25,000 bonus for all those five game increments that begin after 80 games played? Why do bonuses need to be given for games and plate appearances, which over the course of a 162 game season, are basically reached at the same pace, once you factor in the math. Why can't Olivo just have a $50,000 bonus at 80 games played and then, say, a $75,000 bonus at $100,000, and so on? When you add up all the bonuses, yes, the figure is actually sorta impressive, but the smallness of the figures themselves... I dunno, boys... it just looks out of place in 2009.
Now, Moore has done contracts like this in the past, most recently with the Ross Gload extension (though Gload's was only in plate appearances, which seems somehow more professional), but it could very well be Olivo's camp that pushed for these escalators. Or maybe they wanted $3.0 million, and Moore offered $2.7 with a chance at $3.4 as a compromise. I don't know.
In any case, Miguel hit his first thresholds very recently. He played in his 75th game of the season last week against Baltimore, then reached game number 80 today in Tampa. Likewise, during his 80th game, he also hit PA #275. To date, he's earned an extra $75,000 in bonuses on the current road trip.
Really, you have to know the ins and outs of the contract negotiations to understand what's really going on with these bonuses. I think most of us tend to think of bonuses as just that, borderline acts of corporate largess, though in many fields, from banking to baseball, it's an accepted, and expected part of how you're compensated. Obviously, in the baseball sphere, they're nice bits of quick and dirty injury insurance, which is nice. However, it's also a chance to add acrimony to the clubhouse for no real reason.
I'll throw one more, semi-silly, thing out there: maybe this is all to sooth ownership. The Royals have long underreported what their salary actually is, as NY Royal, has pointed out multiple times on this site. For awhile there, everytime we saw a story discussing the size of the Royal payroll, the stated number was $5-10 million dollars lower than what was actually being paid. Is it possible Dayton has some number he's supposed to remain under, and these contracts are a way to ostensibly do so? In both the case of Gload and Olivo, everyone with the Royals quickly fell in love with both players, and these bonuses were laid out with a more than reasonable expectation that they would easily be met.
Finally however, there is one last bit of evidence suggesting this is more of a "Dayton thing". Would you be stunned if I told ya that St. Willie Bloomquist also has similar bonuses built into his contract? Would you be stunned
Do you want to look it up, or should I?
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Would we get compensation for him?
According to this, Olivo is on the verge of being a Type B free agent. Would we get compensation if we declined his option by offered him arbitration? Could we offer him arbitration? Do you think he would accept arbitration?
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 3, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he would accept
Why chance going somewhere else, when you know you can get paid here?
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(side note)
someone really needs to raise Holy Hell about how stupid the Elias Rankings are
it’s amazing that they’re used
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would teams complain?
it benefits them on sucky players. And you aren’t going to complain about the player while you are trying to sign him, or he’ll go elsewhere. Won’t happen.
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it also hurts them when actually valuable guys are Type B instead of A, etc
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The players and owners almost scrapped it in the last CBA
The early draft eliminated free agent compensation altogether, but the final version kep a water-downed version. The players association does not want to eliminate it altogether because it is the one hook that it has into the amateur draft, which keeps the owners from unilaterally changing the draft. The next CBA will probably refine it even more to address the problem that Juan Cruz and the Orlandos (Cabrera and Hudson) faced. But as long as free agent compensation remains, I doubt they radically change the Elias formula just because it is not a priority and making changes to the CBA is almost as difficult as changing the Constitution.
by Gopherballs on Aug 3, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am honestly not sure...
I don’t know if “declined player option” = losing a player to free agency or not
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's a player option we're screwed
if it’s a team option, we don’t pick it up, offer arb, and then he accepts or he doesn’t. I actually bet he wouldn’t accept as he’s had a career season and could be in line for around $4M somewhere dumb enough to sign him. Hey! That’s us! Nevermind.
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Dayton’s anxious to renegotiate I’m sure. He’d hate to have to deal with a camp holdout next spring in St. Joe.
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Options do not affect ability to offer arbitration
A team can decline an option and still offer the player arbitration — they are separate issues.
Some contracts, however, include a provision in which the team agrees to not offer the player arbitration at the expiration of the contract. I think Orlando Cabrera’s contract included such a clause after he struggled to obtain a contract his offseason due in part to the fact that the team signing him would lose a draft pick. After last offseason, this type of provision may become more common.
by Gopherballs on Aug 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't surprise me a bit that Bloomy has these escalators
It would surprise me if he didn’t. Dayton isn’t good at contract negotiations. It surprises me how often we’ve signed our draft picks under him to be honest. Then again, Dayton does like to offer more money than he should.
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3/3 in bringing in a part time player
giving him escalators if he becomes full time, then that player getting the most PT of his career
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The contract is silly but whatever
I’m more upset that Olivo was named the starter in the middle of the offseason for no apparent reason. Yes, he hits some HRs. But he’s not, and was not in the offseason, demonstrably better than Buck.
And as d_f is always point out, why are we paying him and Buck to be the starter?
by hippdoghipp on Aug 3, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
remember when we all thought one of them was going to be traded?
by royalsreview on Aug 3, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was a good chance that Olivo would be traded to Boston for Crisp during the off-season.
Now that one would have made much more sense than Ramirez for Crisp. But then why would anyone make a fair trade with Dayton Moore when they know they can take him to the cleaners by dropping a few buzz words and putting their thumb over the on base percentage number when they show him the player they are offerings recent statitics.
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by James Quinn on Aug 3, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and why the heck would Boston want Miguel Olivo anyway?
when Jason Varitek is still an average to above average player (as statheads everywhere pointed out last offseason), albeit a husk okf his former self… Olivo for Crisp would have been a screw job far beyond the capacities of just about any GM.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston was looking for a back up catcher during the off season.
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by James Quinn on Aug 4, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But CoCo Crisp was clearly worth more than a backup catcher
There might be GMs dumb enough int he game to trade a guy like Crisp for a backup catcher, but Theo Epstein isn’t one of them.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if it was a salary dump
Crisp was nothing but a backup on Boston this year.
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he had value
more than Miguel Olivo. Way more.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 4, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree he had value
Olivo has a 1.1 WAR to RamRam’s .6. Olivo has value too. He mashes lefties off the bench and is a decent backup C, and they save some money in the process.
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
compare RaRam and Olivo contracts, th en factor in team control
and also that not one out have responsibly projected Olivo to be this good this far into the year, that he wouoldn’t have played as much as a backup, and that fangraphs doesn’t take into account his below average defense.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 4, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I just think backup C = relief pitcher. Who would I rather have? RamRam obviously. RamRam might throw 80 IP this year. As a backup C, Olivo would have played around 50 games. It really depends on what the Sox wanted I guess. I just don’t think Olivo or Buck were that far off for them if backup C was a need.
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston already had Kotteras for free
plus Bard virtually for free on a non-guaranteed deal without giving up anything in return or paying them $2-$3 million. Boston is smart enough to pay backup catchers what they are worth in terms of salary and talent.
by Gopherballs on Aug 4, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet they block Buchholz by
signing guys like Smoltz and Penny. How does that make sense?
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the contract is silly but...
I am not a baseball player/coach/scout/manager so I obviously can not be educated about this type of contract structure. It is too complex and full of quirks!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jamie Quirk is involved in this somehow?
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by buddyball on Aug 3, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olivo has 7 games where he played 13 innings (entering in the 8th or later)
only 3 more games, and he can get $50K for a minimum of 16 innings
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by BHWick on Aug 3, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've Always Assumed
That GMDM thinks these players are worth the highest possible compensation these bonuses could afford and looks at them as a hedge against injury or failure to perform.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 3, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps part of the problem is that
Dayton really does believe you can build a team like you did in the 1980s. Can’t wait until Greinke gets that lifetime contract.
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by BHWick on Aug 3, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha - when I first read the table, I read AB's instead of PA's
and immediately thought “So that’s why he refuses to take a walk”!
now I have no rationale explanation…
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by buddyball on Aug 3, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see the deal that Dayton and...
Master P would put together for Ricky Williams if he decided to quit football and go back to baseball. That would be absolutely epic.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 3, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard we have an offer on the table to Michael Vick?
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by 306008 on Aug 3, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't rule it out -- he was a hero in Atlanta
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by devil_fingers on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we should trade both...
oh… no one wanted either of them…? sigh. Must be kept by the Royals…
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by 306008 on Aug 3, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why was Buck exciled again?
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by 306008 on Aug 3, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He did break his back
And we know hoe Trey likes to protect injured players (- Meche)
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Aug 3, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gentleman
3 to 5 years before we can talk about a competing in the division. Those are the cold hard facts.
by Cardnal on Aug 3, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not if we finished 2nd worst in MLB
Do you know what that means?
We will have the best rotation in all of baseball
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Royals they'll find a way to screw it up
And even if they are there in position to take Harper or Strasburg, I bet they don’t do it. They will cite signability concerns.
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or trade Strasburg to Seattle for Carlos Silva
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 3, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg went to college
Crow is bad enough… they don’t want two smart guys in the high minors. Banny’s already corrupting the other players by doing an end around on The Process. What if they get first round picks doing that?
Harper is def. Dayton’s kind of guy.
I can’t wait to see what pitches he brings to Rookie Ball.
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by devil_fingers on Aug 3, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Harper was a hitter
If he’s drafted as a pitcher I wouldn’t be too happy. He’ll make his MLB debut at 26 after he’s been traded 3 times and finds his way back to the Royals. He will be cut 2 seasons later, to reverse TPJ him into a SS from a pitcher.
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was layin the sarcasm on pretty thick i think....
although, he does throw like 98 off of the mound…allegedly
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2009 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was pretty sure he could do both
So if that was sarcasm, I didn’t catch it. It’s happened before when really good players get drafted. For some reason, teams think it is a good idea to always make them pitchers if they can throw a 96+ MPH fastball. They see the numbers and their eyes pop. What they should really be thinking of is all those 30+ homer seasons they’ll miss while the guy either doesn’t make MLB, or is less than a league average pitcher.
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was sarcasm
Hosmer also allegedly hit 98 in HS
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by devil_fingers on Aug 4, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark McGwire Was
A pitcher when he played for one of the Anchorage teams in the ABL.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 4, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's one thing when they're really good at both....
the things we hear about harper’s hitting ability and the fact that he does it as a catcher, make it a no brainer that he’s hitting…even to dayton
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to the decision as a no brainer
Or Dayton has no-brainer?
I wouldn’t put it past him. GMDM KNOWS PITCHERS!
by AxDxMx on Aug 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He typifies the team
Like most other starters, he is in the lower 20% of major leaguers at his position by almost any measure. I can’t see the team ever going anywhere with these guys.
I was on vacation for a week, and barely catching scores. How did Gordon’s BA get so low? Do all now concur that Betancourt is a weak fielding TPJ? Is Mike Jacobs playing at all, and is he in a permanent slump? How long is Guillen out for?
by Gus Zernial on Aug 3, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only good news in all your questions
is that Guillen is likely out all season
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by kabrink on Aug 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon's BA was low when he came back from the DL
so it’s actually going up.
by AxDxMx on Aug 3, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can i be part of the process?
where i'm "day-to-day" but i won't play again happens!
by blue bandwagon on Aug 3, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Is There
Still a team?
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by philofthenorth on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Olivo still on the team?
They are essentially the same player offensively, with virtually even OPS every year.
Defensively, one can’t block a pitch to save his life, but can throw out basestealers just fine. The other can’t throw out a basestealer to save his life, but blocks pitches just fine.
I think the answer to your question could be one of 2 possibilities:
1) No other team wanted to trade for either at the deadline
2) GMDM is too dumb to recognize a trade opportunity when he sees one
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look for Olivo, Buck, and BP to all get plenty of playing time this week
We face lefty starters 5 out of the next 6 games. Assuming Hillman continues to bench Jacobs (as he should) against lefties, that means he will probably start 2 of the 3 catchers most of this upcoming homestand.
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay catchers as PH
it’s too bad that right-handing hitting platoon 1B/DHs are like the hardest thing to find.
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