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Buster Olney
Buster Olney thinks that Greinke should get the Cy Young but you have to have ESPN Insider to read why.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
ERA,
His ERA is far and away the best in the AL this season, at 2.32, and it’s more than a run better than Verlander’s, more than a run better than Sabathia’s and three-quarters of a run better than Roy Halladay’s.
K/BB,
Greinke’s ratio of strikeouts to walks is 5.05; only Halladay’s is better at 6.60. Greinke has 202 strikeouts; only Verlander, with 215, has more.
Greinke’s dominance is reflected in these bedrock numbers:
HR allowed among starting pitchers with at least 140 innings, opponents’ OPS, and even steals allowed.
Money quote:
Greinke is 100 yards ahead of the others as baseball’s marathon enters its final few miles. My AL Cy Young ballot today would look like this: 1. Greinke, 2. Halladay, 3. Verlander.
From his public chat:
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/28081/mlb-with-buster-olney
I think Greinke set himself apart as the clear front-runner, but as we’ve seen with Beckett in the last couple of weeks, things can change quickly. My 1-3 today would be 1. Greinke, No. 2 Halladay and No. 3 Verlander. If anybody is going to run down Greinke, I think the best shot probably belongs to Verlander, because he has a chance to pitch in some games that will matter in the AL Central race.
Also mentions Zack in context of the NL race:
I’d have Lincecum, Carpenter and Wainwright No. 1-3 on my ballot right now, but I don’t think the gap is as large in the NL between Lincecum and the two St. Louis guys as the gap between Greinke and the rest of the AL field.
by swing and a miss on Aug 31, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the sympathy vote will push him over the top
I remember when Berroa won ROY most statheads though Matsui really deserved it, but for some reason the national media rallied behind Berroa and the loveable losers in KC.
Maybe Greinke/KC will get some similar love this time.
also, the voters didn't realize what a hitters park Kaufman was that season
that was right before they moved the fences back, I believe
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was more
Anti-Japanese player sentiment that helped Berroa. Not racism, just “he’s not a rookie”-ism.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a lot of that
Matsui was definitely not a rookie, and it helped Berroa to win. All things being equal, the East Coast usually wins stuff like that, so you had to figure it played a role.
Berroa's stats were equal or better
and shortstop is often thought of as a position where lesser offense is acceptable than for outfield, so that magnified Berroa’s stats a bit.
Also, that was the “miracle year” for the Royals, which probably got some love for the Royals from writers.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
"He's not even throwing off-speed pitches yet, we're f*cked!"
- Random quote from a Mariners behind me in the third inning.
I heart Greinke.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on Aug 31, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
RR, stand by your Baird revisionism
It makes sense to me – because I have never been shy voicing my opinion that the blame for the last 15 seasons falls squarely on ownership. It’s the Glass family that ran this franchise into the ground, and NO GM, no matter how smart, could have prevented it given the constraints of working for the idiots who own the Royals.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Then why
were the Glasses willing to hire a man who insisted that he be allowed to spend?
Quite frankly, Baird didn’t inspire any confidence in them. For all the rumors we hear about Baird’s supposed brilliant moves that were squelched by the Glasses, I’d love to see a single one that was confirmed either by Baird (he works for a rival team now, he doesn’t need to be a gentleman) or by the Glasses (who I’m sure would love to feel justified if they believed they were right).
We’ve seen so, so many trade rumors, before Baird, during Baird, and after Baird (i.e., under Moore), that were never anywhere near true, or that had a grain of truth but were far from being the complete story.
The fact is that somehow, when the Royals had Sweeney, Dye, Beltran, Ibanez, and Damon, the only one the Royals shelled out for was the one whose subsequent years proved to be the worst investment. Could $11MM a year for five years with a “.500 season” clause have kept any of the others? Aside from Beltran, I think it’s possible. Whose job was it to evaluate which of the pending free agent departures were worth going to the mattress for?
Who interpreted career seasons from Jose Lima, Brian Anderson and Curtis Leskanic as worthy of re-signings? Who gave us Albie Lopez and Chip Ambres and Ambiorix Burgos? Who hired a manager who never led a team to better than an 82-80 season? No, Allard Baird was not good. 2009 may have been a disappointing season, but it’s only disappointing because we had hope. Dayton Moore, if only by virtue of being able to project the confidence necessary to loosen the purse strings of the Glass family, is better than Baird. Hillman may be disappointing, but at least he was hired after two winning seasons in Japan, and a solid minor league track record. This off-season’s trades and signings may not have worked out well, but the prior two years were net positives. Seriously, we may have overpaid for Jose Guillen, but didn’t he look better on the roster than Reggie Sanders?
If I may be allowed a Biblical parable, we’re like the Israelites in the desert, who, every time something bothered them in the desert, said, “Let’s go back to Egypt, where we were well-fed.” i’m not saying that Moore is a Moses who can faithfully deliver divine salvation, of course. He’s a man, and he makes human mistakes. But the Baird revisionism is forgetting what the Baird era was like. Hopelessness is not better than disappointment.
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Baird was no Solomon
But Moore is looking a lot like Rehoboam
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
were the Glasses willing to hire a man who insisted that he be allowed to spend?
I think an explanation may be that during the Baird years, Glass was trying to “fight the system” and cry poor. He finally had enough of it in 2006, and said “I’m sick of losing, I’ll spend a bit more money and hire someone new.”
Just a theory, I have no idea if its right at all.
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If Glass didn't trust Baird, why was he the GM?
That’s a huge indictment of Glass, because either he doesn’t care, or your assumption of trust was wrong, and Glass was just a tightass that wouldn’t spend any money back then.
Organizational inertia
He was the heir apparent to the job, but didn’t necessarily inherit any know-how of how to build a team.
I’m not saying that it was a good thing that he was placed in the GM position then. However, the Royals front office had always been more about internal promoting than poaching other teams’ talent. It took EXTREME suckitude to get the Royals to go looking outside the organization. And it took Allard Baird to get there.
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When your owner mandates you trade Jermaine Dye within 48 hours to dump salary
that’s on the owner. The other GMs smelled blood in the water and killed Baird with their offers. Neifi was probably the best offer.
Baird didn’t get Beltran signed to a long-term deal, but as it happens, it wasn’t for lack of trying, or even for lack of succeeding – negotiations with Beltran were proceeding well until factors outside of Baird’s control intervened. (The more I learn about the Allard Baird Era, the more I’m convinced that the Allard Baird Era was not the fault of Allard Baird.)
That quote above is from a Rany article.
Also, Ibanez would have stayed for 3 years, but we would only offer 2. He didn’t want more salary, just another year.
Baird’s drafts have produced Greinke and Butler, one absolute stud, and an ascending stud. Even Gordon still has a chance to be pretty good.
I admit I still have high hopes for Moustakas and Hosmer, and anyone in the Royals system really. I just don’t know what to think about Moore, as his decision making process does not seem to be sound. He admits that this year was a win now year designed to maximize Greinke and Meche in the rotation. Only problem is that, over half this site knew that the moves were backward moves, or questionable at best. Other GMs have called Jacobs and Crisp nontender candidates. It just doesn’t make sense.
Loved the article on the team website about Sept callups
especially the part that slams Kila for his homeruns dropping off. Never mind he is 5 walks away from drawing 100 walks in the minors for the second year in a row, and that for an organization that is STARVING for hitters with good plate discipline. Nope – his homers fell off a tad, so he is no longer a prospect, apparently. Fuck me.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Olivo contract extension now!
If Zack wills it so, it will be done.
Updated Cy Predictor standings:
1 Zack Greinke 138.6
2 Justin Verlander 133.5
3 Felix Hernandez 131.4
4 CC Sabathia 127.6
Despite the substantial population of doofuses in the BBWAA, I believe most writers above all love a Good Story. And Zack Greinke has the Best Story of 2009: Player overcoming great adversity (including his own team) to accomplish great things.
by swing and a miss on Aug 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
3-5 callups? really?
they should bring up at least 5 field players at least, and then some pitchers as well. what don’t we know about those guys who have been stinking up the joint all season long? let’s see what we have in the minors.
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