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Royals Lose Again, Fall to 41-65. Really.

I've resigned myself to an understanding that this team is horrible for so long, that sometimes I almost know it so well that I end up forgetting it a little. The Royals are 41-65. They're now easily the worst team in the American League and getting closer to the Nationals, now 35-72, each day.


This is a team, by the way, that was rather meticulously built by Mr. Dayton Moore to win now. Between the scores of free agent signings, the rushed promotions of Billy Butler and Alex Gordon and the non-moves of the last three deadlines, there really was a process. And the process was a total, complete, unmitigated and nearly unparalleled failure.

Star-divide

Everyone knows all of this of course, although sometimes we need to take a step back and re-remember it. Especially given the continued parade of excuses being peddled by the ever more cowardly leadership team. Dayton fell in love with the 2007-2008 Royals. Why, I'm not sure. So here we are.

The Royals are already, at least, two years behind Cleveland, who remains better at the Major League level, and also has a better minor league system, which they've restocked over the last two seasons. If you aren't building, you're falling farther behind.

The Royals didn't wake up in 2009 and suddenly found themselves in this situation. This a rotten banquet with fruits gathered from across an entire vineyard of mistakes.

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At least current "leadership" is inept AND arrogant

Most suffering fans only get to deal with one of those magnificent qualities but we get to deal with both!

Hooray for us!

by jsolo on Aug 5, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

we just have to hope dayton can turn it around

something has gone terribly wrong here over the last few years… I don’t know if it’s fixable or not

i do know that hunkering down is not going to get it done

the sad thing is, had the last three years been handled differently, the royals could have really been set up to have a really good 2010 team

by Will McDonald on Aug 5, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really thought the team was on the right track before this past offseason

I’m not sure how they so thoroughly hit the wall. It’s not just the poor free agent signings – it’s the complete and utter lack of any meaningful moves happening during the season. Freel? Anderson? Chen? Yuni? Come on!

Why haven’t we seen Kila, Rosa, Hayes – heck even Lisson? This team is only going to lose so why not see what there is at the AAA level.

by jsolo on Aug 5, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why haven't we seen Mario Lisson?

because he sucks and there’s no reason why he’s on the 40 man roster.

Dayton must have thought there’d be a run on shitty middle infielders in Rule V last year.

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not suggesting Lisson is any good

However, back when TPJ and Luis were starting at shortstop, he should have been called up. He would have been at least as good as TPJ and at least he was considered a prospect at some point.

After the Yuni trade there’s no point in bringing him up but they should have given a look before they went out and traded real prospects for an underachieving aging shortstop locked into the starting spot for 2 and a half years.

by jsolo on Aug 5, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hitting better than TPJ is not a standard

and Lisson’s hitting is way worse than what Hernandez put up in Omaha.

Also, Lisson getting promoted from Springdale to Omaha was.. weird

Lisson’s Springdale line this year: .206/.287/.279

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what kills me

i’ve just moved to the KC metro, and i can’t stand it. after attending a bunch of games early this season… i just don’t let myself think about the team too much. it’s nice being around other fans who feel my pain for once. it just…. well, it sucks. we’re better than we have been in a long time… except we aren’t. bullshit.

"red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp

by grantfunk on Aug 5, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ladies and gentlemen

Your 2010 Royals!
Because according to royals.com, Dick Kaegel, and Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman’s quotes, expect no major changes in the team. We all just cross our fingers and hope that everyone is healthy so we can possibly-maybe-hopefully finish with a .500 record!

by Royal from Queens on Aug 5, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Hi, my name is Cole

and I am a Royals fan.

(“Welcome Cole” response in the context of a support group)

Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?

by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Aug 5, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

it all started when i was 4 years old

in 1985.

"red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp

by grantfunk on Aug 5, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the lucky ones it sure did.

The first game I remember watching on TV is the 1987 world series. I moved to Missouri in 1986. Lucky me.

by AxDxMx on Aug 5, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

1987 ALCS

Was when I first started following baseball. I watched the ‘85 Series, but I didn’t really care about it.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 5, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was in 2nd grade.

During the 85 WS. One of my most vivid childhood memories is mom and dad sending me to bed during game 7. I had to jerryrig an old radio in my bedroom to listen to the rest of the game on radio.

I've got crazy flipper fingers!

by labbadabba on Aug 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Was 14

And playing Babe Ruth League ball in Topeka in 1969. Lou Piniella was awesome.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it isn't all on Dayton

it goes back to baird, the glass family, herk robinson etc

the royals have NEVER actually committed to a rebuilding process, which is why they’ve never rebuilt

by Will McDonald on Aug 5, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

and

i’d say that the Allard teams were more committed to rebuilding than Dayton’s teams.

the eras kind of go like this from 1995 on

Old veterans + some youngsters
More youngsters + assorted other dudes
Homegrown dudes + young dudes + other dudes
Young dudes + reclamation projects
That year that Allard thought replacing Ibanez with Juan Gone was a smart idea
Reclamation projects
Some young dudes + Shitty players

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It only gets more fun

such as the people who will point to Jacobs hitting home runs in another city and that we gave him up and didn’t get anything for him. Trust me, if people can find nostalgia for Leo Nunez, the most generic reliever possible. Then it’s possible. Same goes for people who will bring up trading Affeldt as if it’s a horrible thing. They will keep grinding on anything.

Especially if the person replacing Mike Jacobs doesn’t have a higher batting average and/or more home runs than Mike Jacobs.

Dayton Moore is past the point of no return, but he did manage to inject his own kind of junk into the Royals system. While the pitching seems to be going in the right direction, Moore’s 1970s offensive philosophy has led to the Royals minor league offenses being some of the more feeble in all of minor league baseball.

Runs scored and given up are what separate winners from losers. The 5 tools are not created equal. Some tools are better than others. But this organization prefers to draft track stars and hopes that they can figure out how to swing a bat.

That doesn’t cover the fact that the commentators and media idea of what makes a good team is so ridiculously wrong.

You can have all the pitching and defense that you want, but when you don’t have offense, you do not win. You DO NOT WIN. I’d like more of a balance between offense, pitching and defense, if possible. But anybody suggesting that we trade one of our best bats (Callaspo) to get some no-hit middle infielder is a fucking moron who doesn’t know how baseball games are won.

That being said. It was nice to see S-Key show up for his third good game as a Royal.

Also nice to see Mike Jacobs keep up his trend of reaching on defense fuckups and being involved in weird plays (such as the hit to the wall in Houston). Voodoo Mike strikes again. If only his dad would have taught him to switch hit.

And the day that we fire Trey Hillman and give John Gibbons an audition will be glorious. We wouldn’t have lost by just 1 with Trey running the ship. Did you notice that John Gibbons press conference was conducted in a way that didn’t make you think that he was on downers?

Fundamentally, this farm system is fucked up. We probably wasted several 1st round picks, we lost a shot at a 2nd round pick to get a guy who fucking sucks, we’re keeping John Fucking Bale around for no god damn reason. Jamey Wright’s existence on this club is pointless. On any given night, you can only find 7 or 8 guys that you’d want in a lineup.

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

gibbons presser seemed major league...

compared to trey who seems like he just lost the HS state championship and he’s being interviewed for the first time

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 5, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's the lists

who i’d want in a lineup is more of a statement of “they could be useful” as opposed to anything else

v. LHP: Bloomquist, Teahen, Butler, Callaspo, Pena, Betancorpse (kind of), DDJ (sort of), and maybe Freel if he’s not nursing an injury from a dumbassed dive

I would not bat David DeJesus leadoff against a LHP. It’s just not a smart idea to have a leadoff guy with a .284 OBP against the sort of pitcher he’s facing. But considering limitations, he has to be in there. Also, Gordon might emerge onto the “sort of” list when he heats up. But Gordon has problems there too.

Olivo would only coast on rep, he probably sucks hard against RHP and LHP unless you want a guy to play Home Run Derby.

v. RHP: Butler, Teahen, Jacobs, Gordon, DeJesus, Callaspo, Joey Gathwhite (to see what he can do), and I guess we have to take the field with a shortstop and catcher.

This team has a few too many LHB.

I don’t know what the 1B/DH field looked like last fall, but I’d take Russ Branyan over the deal that brought in our current DH. Granted, Russ Branyan would be the most hated man on this site by some because Russ’ OBP/Power combo would block Kila and his OBP.

A good portion of Royals fans are like people who grew up in the Depression and can’t kick their addiction to either getting rid of good players, staying cheap, or trying to keep the average team age around 25.

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is....

very few of those players listed are even average….

and as far as criticizing those of us that want to trade players like dj, teahen, banny and meche…we have very few prospects in our system and EVERY one of them is either in A ball or has just arrived at AA. By the time they come up, if they come up, the older group of players will be gone…and we’ll be in the exact same situation again. Why not try to load up on guys who will be ready in 2-3 years and form a nucleus and try to win for a few years rather than trying to catch lightning in a bottle…which is what we’d be asking for…all of the veterans to have career years and for the rookies to adjust immediately.

The lightning in a bottle strategy could work, but its unlikely and would probably last a single year…then all of those guys listed above are gone…and we’re starting from scratch again.

The Pirates are doing exactly what we shouldve been doing. They traded every useful major league part for prospects. I’d be $100 straight up that they’re better than us in 2011 and very likely 2010 and 2012 as well.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 5, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

Even if you turned Gordon into Longoria and Butler into Pujols, this still wouldn’t be a .500 team, not even really all that close.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they would make everyone else so much better

because they would “protect” them

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 5, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweeny

Even when you try to hate him, he is just so awesome!!! Coolest move to congratulate Ichiro ever!

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

D--- you MikeSweeney

I wish I could quit you. POssibly the coolest thing Mike has ever done. Okay, that’s not a long list..

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is anyone not excited about the Royals are playing?

We will definitely have a worse record than the Nationals. That team can really hit and Lannan, Zimmerman, Stammen, now Balester have pitched ok as a group.

Their bullpen is better too.

The only thing that can save this franchise is a once in a lifetime player and it looks like Strasburg or Harper are it

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 5, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I think what you had

and what a lot of fans thought was 75-87-Gload+Jake-Gathright+Crisp-TPJ+Aviles=contending team.

A LOT of things have gone wrong this year (and some things have gone right, no doubt) but this team of players should not be this bad. The bottom line is, however that the record is what it is and something needs to change.

I’m going to wait and see what Moore does this offseason. If he takes the same approach to constructing the 2010 roster as he did with 2009, then he probably needs to be let go once his contract is up.

I think there is a significant group of people that have written him off and are ready for him to be fired; I’m not in that camp (yet). People CAN learn and improve their decision-making.

We have the makings of a good rotation, and a bullpen can be re-constructed fairly cheaply. The baserunning issues we’ve had are something that I believe can largely be fixed by replacing Dave Owen. I would assume that Gordon will improve and Butler will continue to improve. There are moves that CAN be easily made that would help, such as non-tendering Jacobs/Olivo.

I’m not being Pollyanna here, because I realize that things aren’t looking too great. But, it can get better, and eventually it will get better, whether it’s with Moore/Hillman or another combo.

I realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with stats, so take it for what you will, but there seems to have been something about this team that goes beyond stats, just a general lifelessness and lack of teamwork. Other than at the very beginning of the year, this team has just lacked energy. I realize that could simply be random variation or how a team with a bad offense looks, but it just seems like there’s a lack of leadership. It reminds me in a lot of ways of the 2004 team, that had a false belief in itself and once things started going bad it went really bad.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 5, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

What d you expect a team to look like when Greinke, Meche, Bannister pitch well and get no run support

Or Guillen, Jacobs and Olivo bat 4th, 5th, 6th and average 1 combined hit per game and 1 combined walk per month?

How can a team expect to show energy when its impossible to win a tie game after the 6th inning?

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 5, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well, that's the culmination

of the season to date, but even when they were hanging around .500 it was just not working.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a load of crap

You want to give Dayton Moore more time because he can learn, but then you say fire Dave Owen after less than one year on the job at 3B, because he can’t learn and get better at his job? We have seen all we need to know about Moore, who isn’t likely to change his philosophy and has straight up said so as he’s bringing this team back for more misery in 2010 and blaming it on injuries. Owen has at least become less noticeable I think.

Kick all the bums out. None of them deserve to be in MLB, including the owner.

by AxDxMx on Aug 5, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair point

on owen, although my thinking is that the further you go up the chain, the longer you get b/c you don’t have as much of an immediate impact. plus, from what i’ve read, owen doesn’t really have the qualifications/experience (DM had been groomed for the GM position and at the time of his hire was the top prospect out there).

look, the baserunning is just one of a myriad of issues that torpedoed this season. but, when you have a failure this massive, sometimes there’s not one “magic bullet” that will fix everything.

i think that’s what some people are looking at, is that if we fire DM suddenly everything’s going to get better. while that’s certainly possible, i also think that he deserves more time. that’s just my opinion.

assuming that he’s sticking around, i think there are several “pieces to the puzzle” that need to be fixed that, taken by themselves aren’t huge but could add up to a significant change. the question is, will DM do these things? as I stated above, if he comes at the problem the same way as he did last year, then I would say yes he definitely needs to go.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 5, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's the problem. I fear for the offseason.

If he does nothing, that might be ok, because the alternative is probably much worse. How do you judge a GM on doing nothing though? And if he does screw up, that’s at least 1 more year away from contending. I’d say the chances he negatively impacts this team this offseason are 80%. I wouldn’t sit by and watch it as the owner, he’d be gone the day the season ended, along with Hillman.

by AxDxMx on Aug 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's got to turn around

really quickly. I think i’ve posted this elsewhere, but at a minimum if I was DG I would expect significant improvement in the major league team as well as a farm system ranked at least in the top 10 but more likely top 5.

there needs to be an acknowledgement by everyone involved that this season is patently unacceptable.

there is absolutely no reason this team should be this bad.

Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 5, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

by "this team" I assume you mean the Royals in the abstract,

not this particular assemblage of players, right?

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

referencing the Royals ‘in the abstract’ , as in the idea of a Royal team, just not the current idea/epic fail

awesome!

I will like to now tender my offer to be a fan of the KC Royal Abstracts!!!

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't agree
I realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with stats, so take it for what you will, but there seems to have been something about this team that goes beyond stats, just a general lifelessness and lack of teamwork. Other than at the very beginning of the year, this team has just lacked energy.

I don’t think it’s a lack of energy; it’s a lack of talent. We have a bunch of poor hitters, poor defenders, and poor baserunners. I’m sure they’re trying hard, but they’re not very good.

by hippdoghipp on Aug 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Process update

2004 39-67
2005 38-68
2006 37-69
2007 47-59
2008 47-59
2009 41-65

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 5, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yearning for those giddy days

of 2008

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Aug 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm sold with TeH Process!!

Iz working guys Iz working!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have time to elaborate on my thoughts right now...

But something occurred to me last night during the game…

We aren’t last years Rays (obviously), but we MIGHT be last years Mariners…A team that came in with a lot of expectations, an inflated payroll, a shitty bullpen, a below average offense and a manager that doesn’t exactly inspire greatness.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Aug 5, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

They fired their Gm and manager

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mariner's GM Bavasi was fired in June of last year

after about 5 seasons

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dayton has to be mad about that

given that he’s been trying to have a 2005 Mariners’ reunion

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

why haven't we picked up Bavasi for the

FO roster?

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by benfunke on Aug 5, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent stuff

I’m angry. I can’t wait until next year when we don’t have all the injuries but still go 75-87. I guess that will be a success.

by hippdoghipp on Aug 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's just it.

If we replace the holes in our payroll, cut our losses (Guillen, Jacobs, Crisp, Farnsworth, Cruz), make a couple smart trades (DH, RF, CF, SS), and see continued progress from Alex and Billy—and accept the defensive hole at 2B with Callaspo…we could easily compete as a 500 team!

:(

by Justin Bopp on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Dayton Moore TRYING to make this team bad?

I mean, it really looks like they are trying to pull a “Major League” and make the team so bad that no one comes out to watch it, so they can move it? The thing is, there is no other city out there that would put up with such inept performance.

by Olentangy on Aug 5, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use this pic for when Jamey Wright is shown warming up

Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

by BHWick on Aug 5, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

LIke I said several times

He’s throwing the season to get a top pick.

Honestly, only Strasburg or Harper can save this team.

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 5, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But to me, that's grounds for a dismissal in itself

And if that’s the case, he wasn’t throwing it until after the team actually tanked. Which was probably late June before he gave up.

by AxDxMx on Aug 6, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In stead of head essplode

Is there a gif for bullpen meltdown or something…..for a perhaps more comedic angle on what is surely to be the highlight of every game. Or the only reason now Royals are featured on ESPN…….how many blown saves/non-holds can the cumulative Royals bullpen incur?

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing Royals fans forget

is that many teams virtually never go 41-65. It’s difficult to play sub .400 baseball over a 100-game stretch.

We’re desensitized since we do it pretty much every year.

by hippdoghipp on Aug 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I blame the TV for desensitizing us, because it just can not be THE PROCESS

There really is no way to educate me to think otherwise.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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