Game 109 Open Thread - A's at Royals
by royalsreview on Aug 7, 2009 7:30 PM EDT
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Oakland Athletics at Kansas City Royals, Aug 7, 2009 8:10 PM EDT
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FRIST
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Aug 7, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't think we'd be able to claim Alex Rios... btw. Too expensive.
The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com
by CollininCalifornia on Aug 7, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineups
Oakland
AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
A. Kennedy 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
R. Davis cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
S. Hairston lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
J. Cust dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
K. Suzuki c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
T. Everidge 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
R. Sweeney rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
M. Ellis 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .246
C. Pennington ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kansas City
AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
J. Anderson cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .243
B. Butler 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
B. Pena c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .325
A. Callaspo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .296
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .282
M. Jacobs dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .219
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
Y. Betancourt ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .229
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Oakland
IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
V. Mazzaro 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.68 5.73
Kansas City
IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
B. Bannister 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.28 3.59
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moneyball versus The Process
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Aug 7, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to take a moment to enjoy the fantasy
before the bubble gets popped. Rios would be a good get, it would really push up next years payroll but Guillen is gone after 2010 and Rios contract is pretty friendly . . . if he rebounds.
by Chyladin on Aug 7, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pena batting tcleanup as a LHB is stupid
that is all
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is everyone out on this friday night?
by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Aug 7, 2009 8:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Gametracker
thinks we have a 57% chance of winning. That’s cute.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Aug 7, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
S-Key range!
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chuck norris checks under his bed every night for s key.
by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Aug 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
S Key checks under his bed for ground balls
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Aug 7, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he swings wildly at them.
by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Aug 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There will be no quarter here!!!
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YUNI
new favorite royal
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Aug 7, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God we have a lot of shitty players
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Aug 7, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's the probability of
that double play being pulled off if Jacobs didn’t slide into the second baseman and cause his throw to go wild?
Knocking over second basemen is one of the fundamentals you need to do
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Robert Ford
hey.. his real voice sounds nothing like his radio voice, and he looks like a douche
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he really does. I listen to 810 so I don’t know much about him…but yeah…total tool.
by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Aug 7, 2009 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Scott Hairston as a player
Finally got a chance to play everyday.
by Royal from Queens on Aug 7, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
White Cleats
Always found it weird and cool that the A’s get to wear white cleats.
by Royal from Queens on Aug 7, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Butler: The Baserunner
should have done a 15 foot slide.
I'm hiding out in the big city blinking.
by bludevil33 on Aug 7, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brayan is looking a whole lot like Miggy right here.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Down 5-1 and the Nats tied 5-5
could be within 4.5 games of the #1 spot very soon.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Aug 7, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we keep the whole game thread
Under 70 posts?
knock yourself out.
by theverbs on Aug 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
7-1 in the 4th should help.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay…i won’t do any frivolous posts like this one
by WhenWillDavidGlassDie? on Aug 7, 2009 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This Alex Rios situation could be very intriguing...
I hope we claimed him.
by Bart41 on Aug 7, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for Ryan and Frank to pretend that Mike Jacobs pulling the ball is a bad thing and that Mike Jacobs problems come from pulling the ball, despite virtually all of the positives from Jacobs hitting being hits to right-center/right
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or they're just pointing out how one dimensional he is
and that MLB pitchers will exploit that until the cows come home.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's see
you have one-dimension where you’re pretty good (pulling the ball), and one where you generate less power, less contact, and less results (spraying the ball)
but Ryan and Frank have to pretend, after all, if Seitz’s advice works, then KS is responsible, and if it fails, then Mike Jacobs is responsible.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we're blaming the hitting coach for trying to help a guy on the team
become a better hitter. Interesting.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again, diluting a power hitter’s power does not make him a better hitter
Mike Jacobs #1 problem this year has been hitting. His walk rate has gone up, he’s seeing more pitches, but he’s not getting much in regards of the balls that he hits in play.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in other news
Mike Jacobs is trying to kill the second baseman on his slides
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ddj doing well tonight
should have had a two run double earlier as well
by wildthang on Aug 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so...
who was the last team to lead the league in triples and be last in runs scored?
by Bart41 on Aug 7, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello
This is my very first comment here on Royals Review. I see I picked a great game to start.
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And a bad gamethread
Where the hell is everybody? 38 comments?!
by kcbottom9th on Aug 7, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
But the place is a ghost town right now for some reason. It’s usually not like this.
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just gonna say this...
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how many times are the A's gonna need to kick our asses before
we realize that their process is the one we should be emulating, instead of the Atlanta Braves process?
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nationals rally to go up 7-5
4.5 games back within reach …
by swing and a miss on Aug 7, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Betancourt
Anyone else a little annoyed that Yuni has started every game at SS since coming over? We did that Neifi too.
He can’t hit and his D isn’t great (didn’t quite get to that ball tonight), so let’s sit him like we sit everyone else every few games.
That’s my contribution to the dead thread tonight.
by hippdoghipp on Aug 7, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like the Brayan Pena cleanup experiment will end after tonight
Butler gets on base 3 times, Pena makes 3 outs
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to expand
If you split Pena in two, with his LHB side and RHB side being the basis of this split… LHB Pena would be one of the worst hitting catchers in baseball. RHB Pena would be one of the best hitting catchers.
And we’re starting LHB Pena, and batting him cleanup
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Jacobs and Gordon will bring Butler home.
How do I do the sarcasm font?
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Type the word "code" with < > around it and it gives you sarcasm text
like this
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
You are a scholar and a gentleman.
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip Chop Chip!
Jacobs RBI!
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's just seeing the pitches so he can get a feel for it
He’s going deep next time.
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two hits and a walk from Jacobs
after his MLB career ends, Iceman will devote his second career to encouraging parents to not let their kids become LHPs.
(I’d mention how many pitches Jacobs has seen, but Gameday has the 4th inning in the 2nd and 4th innings right now, Jacobs saw 9 pitches in the 5th, and 5 in the 4th)
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a pitcher who walks 4.5 per 9 v. SKey
should be fun
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yuni!
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SKey has 7 singles and 6 extra base hits
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DDJ!
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit...
this may become a ballgame.
Oakland’s offense is as pathetic as the Royals, so there’s a chance.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like a series of high scoring games between the two worst offenses in the AL
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like being such an awesome hitter that you are shown bunting on your card.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That picture was taken out of context.
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing TPJ's card shows him grounding out
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one handed
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep chipping
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon hits a home run in the sixth
A grand slam, no less
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has spent the whole game setting them up for it.
by Chyladin on Aug 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of the park for $25,000
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did I say sixth?
I meant seventh
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in from DC: MacDougal gets his fifth save in six days
NATS WIN!!!!!!!!!!! 7-6 squeaker over Arizona
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Aug 7, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more evidence
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahahaha
Beckett and Greinke have similar talent, however it’s Josh’s mental toughness and bulldog mentality on the mound that makes him an elite front of the rotation pitcher.
Because Greinke would be 10-7 with the Red Sox? Hahahaha, shit like that cracks me up.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That John Buck AB was worth it
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the last time Gordon hits cleanup
by NotAHippie on Aug 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was batting 8th
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hit it pretty hard - just to the wrong part of the ballpark
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Trey
there’s a reason why relief pitchers don’t throw 45 pitches in an outing in 2009
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would tell you why I let him throw 45 pitches
But I can’t educate.
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Bale!
time to hit the exits, people
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That poll was stupid
And 47 percent of the voters are stupid for guessing the Royals.
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People we are TOO damn close to winning this game. Do the players not understand the mission objectives of OPERATION TANK?
1. You lose ball games.
2. The Nationals win ball games.
Pretty simple folks, you only have 1 of 2 tasks to carry out.
by Uscbalto on Aug 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whens the next RR mailbag
i’m wondering why batters always seem to look back at the pitcher after a strikeout
My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!
by AvilesRotY on Aug 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As for that Greinke "article" above
I wish that chowd moron would have had the balls to just directly mention that Greinke isn’t as good as Beckett since he had an anxiety disorder in 2006
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So since it's a slow night...
How about a random poll… Participation is encouraged, but it’s a slow night so not expected…
What’s the first thing the Royals need to fix?
a. Bullpen
b. situational hitting
c. back end of the rotation
d. illogical defensive positioning (i.e. Olivo over Pena at C, Callaspo over Teahen at 3B)
e. general manager
f. other?
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Their offense
finishing last in virtually every offensive category is disgraceful
Anybody who thinks the bullpen is costing us more games than our offense is completely wrong
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree in a way
i do agree that defense is key, but fixing a bullpen can also be very cheap.
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 7, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OFFENSE is the problem
the defense hasn’t been helpful.. but this offense needs to be fixed and the people adhering to this speed/defense = good times nonsense are living in the 1970s
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need more pull hitters who hit 15 homers a year!
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect
Jacobs isn’t a great fit for this park due to a lack of doubles power
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, where can I find that picture you use for "I demand the Royals get a hit"?
I’m thinking of making a poster with it
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT I know
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please?
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here you go
http://heystupid.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/goldberg.jpg
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
Thanks dude.
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
is relatively easy to get and can make a significant difference…good starting+good relief+good defense=competitive team. while i think there’s more than one way to skin a cat, if i was the royals i would focus on the defense and relief.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all relative...
When half your starting pitchers can’t take the game past 5 innings, the bullpen suffers.
When the offense produces goose eggs, the bullpen has no reason to care.
When John Bale comes into the game, the offense gives up.
When Jacobs/Olivo/SKey come up hacking at balls 10 feet off the plate, the baserunners could give a shit less.
When your GM and coach are tools who can’t educate about the process, no one on the entire roster gives a fuck.
So really, any argument could be right. Our offense is an absolute joke, though.
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's so many problems
You can’t pinpoint just one thing as the main cause of our ineptitude. Some days it’s offense, somedays it’s bullpen, some days it’s our starters having a shitty night, some days it’s a combo of many problems, ect. ect. ect.
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think that points to a lack of leadership
by trey, i really do. of course it can’t be quantified, but the guys on this team don’t seem to be playing for one another. it also could be that, for whatever reason, the individual pieces on this team just don’t fit for some reason.
soren did an exercise with mike macfarlane yesterday where they compared the 2006 and 2009 individual players…while the offensive players were deemed slightly better now, almost a push overall, the difference in pitching was just astounding. in 2006 our top two pitchers were redman and elarton…yet the record is close to the same. that tells me that there’s something besides talent going on.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 7, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
right on
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trey and Dayton really are little pussies
Excuses excuses excuses it’s all that is. I want him and Dayton gone, and a want some guys who can take criticism and learn from their mistakes to take over.
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to get Whitey out of the nursing home
so that we can have buntgasms all day
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs is seeing more pitches than anybody on this team
If we Josh Anderson murdered someone with a lawnmower, you’d get at least one guy whose post is “I’m sick of players like Josh Anderson and Mike Jacobs murdering people with lawnmowers”
Jacobs is striking out a lot, but his walk rate and pitches per PA has improved
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask how the defense of Mike Jacobs became your personal fight this year?
Honestly curious.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it had more potential last year when
none of the enlightened ones were paying any attention to Jacobs hitting numbers being dragged down by hitting in Miami. As for this year, he has had the same lack of luck as he had in 2008.
If Kila Kaaihue’s hitting numbers were better, then I wouldn’t be doing this as much. But Kila’s not performing in Omaha and people are piling on a guy who isn’t a clubhouse cancer asshole (unlike Guillen).
If we had Leo Nunez and not Mike Jacobs, we would still suck.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you do understand that at his cost, he shouldn't be on the team next year?
Kila should get a look to see if he can produce what Jacobs does for far less money.
Jacobs is just another player that brings only one thing to this team, the Royals cannot afford a player like that. Low OBP, low avg, no defense, and awful against lefties is the type of guy a small market team just cannot have.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Jacobs won't bankrupt the Kansas City Royals
You play the better player. And Mike Jacobs is better than Kila Kaaihue.
BTW, 3 of 4 marks you have on Jacobs could be applied to Kaaihue.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 of 4 are assumed.
Jacobs is going to cost close to 8 times as much as Kila.
Why go with the expensive guy?
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem w/ Jacobs is
Butler has 1B on lockdown probably until/if Hosmer pans out.
So that relegates Jacobs to DH duty. And the only thing you want from a DH is a high average and/or power. Jacobs has some power right now, but it doesn’t justify his average, because he can’t “cleanup” the basepaths.
It’s not all Jacobs’ fault. Seitz has done a masterful job fucking up something that wasn’t broken. But how do you justify keeping a DH on the roster bordering Mendoza?
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then again
Kila Kaaihue doesn’t provide a high average and it’s nowhere near proven that he can provide power
that… and i’m drawing blanks on people who have been full-time DHs before 26 and had ML success. It doesn’t seem like that happens, perhaps due to the bias against the AAA slugger
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that high OBP is
totally worthless
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that high OBP in Omaha translates to
around average OBP in KC, with below average power.
And Kaaihue hasn’t exactly shown a lot of doubles power in the minors either. His power in 2008 screams “outlier”
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming it translates to around average in KC.
We are all left to assume because Jacobs has wasted the spot all year.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that around average OBP
is miles better than Jacobs.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacob's OPS is higher than Kila's MLE OPS
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate to find out if the MLE is accurate.
Better keep Jacobs around, since he’s part of the future.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also gotta love that
someone who can be released after this year is a burden on this team..
as opposed to Guillen, who is going to cost $12M next year, and may not hit good enough to justify being a DH
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a burden, but a replacement player that is probably just as good
is already in the organization for $400 K.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
you say the Royals can’t afford Jacobs, but that he’s not a burden on them… ok
Imagine a world where we had Shealy and Kila playing, then Shealy gets hurt, Kila slumps, and people rant about how we needed a power bat at 1B/DH
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 4 million a year saving isn't worthless,
especially when a team has the holes the Royals do. You understand that, right? Especially when the payroll isn’t going up?
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
payroll likely has $15M+ coming off with Jacobs and Crisp and Buck and Olivo
I’d non-tender Mike Jacobs at this moment and let the cheap 1B/DH sweepstakes begin
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
like the guy the Royals have in Omaha?
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can beat out the crowd, sure
but bring on a few AAAA sluggers, have the best two in KC, and the other two in Omaha.
Keeping in mind that in this scenario, you can open a spot for Kila if Kila finishes 3rd and one of the top 2 flops.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he wasn't seeing more pitches
But he’s striking out (which he always has), and you have to agree that he doesn’t swing at the best pitches.
Whereas someone like Gordon is the complete opposite; a pitcher could dump one 90 mph down the center of the plate and Gordon would never fathom a swing.
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs has a large strike zone and the umps will call strikes on him that are balls for others
it’s a fact of life
but Olivo and SKey are in a class of their own when it comes to swinging at junk. You said “hacking at balls 10 feet off the plate”… when Jacobs has laid off stuff like that.
In fact, the percentage of strikes looking from Jacobs is 30%, a new personal high.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and his K % is still right with Olivo's.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
92 Ks in 287 PA and 92 Ks in 312 PA
Miggy is leading on the K% race
Olivo makes contact on 62% of swings this year, swings at the first pitch 40% of the time
Jacobs makes contact on 74% of swings and swings at the first pitch 24% of the time
they’re in different leagues this year.
Mike Jacobs is wandering through the ally as all the old hacktastic friends mock him for taking pitches.
No word on if dancing ensued
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
33.6 for Olivo
31.9 for Jacobs
Both terrible numbers and both lead the Royals hitters. Are you sticking up for Jacobs K% by using Olivo as your defense? That’s very similar to the “he’s an upgrade FOR US” defense.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
the guy brought Jacobs into a “hacking at bad pitches” rant and Jacobs is not in the league of Olivo and Betancourt when it comes to pitch selection
Miguel Olivo misses the ball on 38% of his swings. Even Mark Reynolds can top that.
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so Jacobs look at more strikes but still strikes out as often.
Is that better?
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Aug 7, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would disprove the whole "Jacobs hacks at obvious balls" claim
I’d love for some computer genius to show us where all the called third strikes are on Jacobs. I’m suspecting he’s getting a lot of high/inside called third strikes
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
S-Key is awesome
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shut the fuck up Ryan
this team bunts as often as the average AL team and it doesn’t mean a damn thing
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See, if I ever see signs of a Ryan buntgasm
I just listen to Modest Mouse. Works every time
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
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by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The stars are projectors, yeah..........
I’m guessing that Ryan has no idea what the total AL HR numbers are over the last 10 years. I’m guessing their pretty static. This smallball shit is so stale. I could deal with it from the booth if it didn’t also emenate from the front office, apparently…………….
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally, i am a big fan of smallball
growing up with the royals, that’s what i saw and i became a fan of that style. i still think it can work, but the bottom line is you do need guys that can hit the ball. while i would rather see a smallball approach with us just wearing other teams out on the basepaths, if you gave me a lineup of jack custs and we were in the playoffs every year, i’d be ecstatic.
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 7, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smallball might work provided
you had guys with high OBPs, stolen base success rates of + 85%, and someone like Whitey Herzog managing the bullpen. I think KC can get it done with Butler and Gordon if they each pump 40-50 2bs into the gaps each year, but it would make things a helluva lot easier if they had a Custian presence, instead of Cust-lite-lite (jacobs)
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyyyyyy
It’s Poppin Fresh!
Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro
by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Next, Frank is going to provide......
a plot summary of his favorite movie: Shane
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 7, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with giggles
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere far away
Bryce Harper/ Strasburg are crying as the Royals inch closer to ruining their careers before they start.
by KyleM on Aug 7, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John Buck really contributed tonight
does he know how to take a pitch or two?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vargas just got optioned, so I guess whomever is keeping track of SPs that get...
optioned after facing the royals, that’s one more…..super
When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on a related topic
Luis Hernandez (TPJJ) went yard tonight in Omaha
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Aug 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so
weird how Ryan doesn’t mention that Oakland’s offense is terrible when he talks about how they bunt and steal more bases
Cue the anti-moneyball morons to claim that Bannister obviously didn’t perform because he was thinking too much and not working hard enough to prevent hits
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how boring was this game?
the 610 post game is a discussion of why Trey should have let Jacobs hit against a LHP late in the game
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by BHWick on Aug 7, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game tonight with my grandma
She was complaining about it being boring.
First game I’ve gone to this season though. The K is sweet!
by kevinf on Aug 8, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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