Royal's Cleanup Hitters Worst in Majors
No real surprise here, but 8 HRs. I know to trust in "The Process", but our team sucks, therefor The Process sucks. Dayton has finally restocked the minors so we should be seeing all those prospects next year right?
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Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)
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Umm...yeah.
Man, check out just how awful the Royals’ cleanup hitters have been. They are nearly 100 points below the second-worst team, and the entire range of everybody else is about 200 points. It’s not like their producing in any other way, either. The Royals’ #4 batters have a collective batting average of .211 and OBP of .278. Sheesh. The cumulative OBP for all of MLB is .333, meaning that the guys on the Royals who should be in the upper echelon of power hitters have an OBP that’s more than 50 points below leave average. And they have struck out a ton. Umm…yeah.
It must be those damn Allard Baird signees!!!
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by Royal Kingdom on Sep 14, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its all because of injuries!
Mike Aviles, Alex Gordon and Coco Crisp would have made our cleanup hitters better!
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 14, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe that OPS
is record-breaking awful
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by Royal Kingdom on Sep 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THT looked at individual cleanup hitters, not as a team
They only counted players who spent at least half the team’s games in the cleanup spot. No one on the Royals technically qualifies – both Jacobs and Guillen have each spent 49 games in the cleanup spot.
But Jose Guillen would be tied for fifth worst.
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 14, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be interested in a comparision on the #3 hole hitters....
Especially now that Baconater is out fulltime 3 hole….
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by 306008 on Sep 14, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only non-pitcher lineup spots that did worse in baseball than our cleanup hitters
Detroit 9th .217/.265/.291 4 HR 59 RBI
Seattle 7th .214/.267/.299 6 HR 45 RBI
Cincinnati 8th .211/.297/.281 6 HR 38 RBI
Colorado’s #9 hitters – their pitchers and pinch hitters – outperformed our cleanup hitters:
Colorado 9th .217/.293/.307 4 HR 56 RB1
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 14, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
that is crazy to see...
absolutely disheartening , maybe this can change soon. Let’s hope eh?!!!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retro -- Mind if I take this information and run a piece on it at BtB?
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please do!
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could bring Ross Gload back as an improvement
2009 .262/.336/.386
We know he has grit.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 14, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ that is depressing. I am not easily shocked by “look how bad the Royals are” statitics, but this one shocked me.
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by James Quinn on Sep 14, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome!
In a satirically rotten sort of way. Luckily Jakers has been dinkin it to left field once in a while now, so he’ll certainly be given arb and allowed to continue this bit of high farce, along with the immovable man, Hoagy.
by hunter s. royal on Sep 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Criticism of clean-up hitters is silly.
Did you guys ever hear of someone named Guillen, Jacobs, Gordon and Butler? They are, for the good or bad of it, the Royals cleanup hitters. Guillen and Gordon have been out all season with injuries. Both of them were walking wounded when they showed up at the stadium. How do you compare your middle of the order hitters without two of them being present? That why this discussion is just silly.
I will admit that Jacobs performed awfully – that’s Jacob’s fault for his ridiculous swing (until recently) and GMDM’s fault for trading for him in the beginning. We would have been better off failing with Kila and Shealy. But in reality we wouldn’t be better off, neither of those two guys would have got it done either. At least we would have known it. Now that I think of it, Shealy was injured 2/3 of the season also.
A better discussion is why don’t we have any clean-up hitters that we’ve developed ourselves? That’s the only place they come from – a club with our finances and in our position can’t pick them up as free agents. And the blame for that is with Glass. Until GMDM came along, Glass had taken the approach that no draftee is worth more than $100,000. Plus the ones we had developed were let go – Dye, Beltran, Ibanez, or got injured, Sweeney. With $70+ mill payroll, we probably could have kept them all. Plus with Glass’ new attitude towards the draft (pay as much as it needs), we would have had at least one or two more young ’uns in AAA by now.
Basically, the whole fault for this is due to David Glass. It was his penny pinching approach that got us into this spot since he bought the club. However, now we have a chance. We had one going into the season but it didn’t work because of injuries – and we have one going forward into next season, given healthy players. In 1 1/2 to 2 seasons from now, me’ll have Moustakas, and maybe even Hosmer (who came alive during the Rocks losing play-off run).
by doctordave77 on Sep 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, it's too bad that David Glass screwed Dayton Moore over
by only giving him the budget to pick up guys like Mike Jacobs and Jose Guillen, and not giving him enough to afford Russell Branyan or even Eric Hinske
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by devil_fingers on Sep 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Ross Gload
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20/20 hindsight
There are reasons why Branyan and Hinske have been journeymen.
by jbrocato on Sep 15, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and so was Guillen, but no one paid Branyan or Hinske 12 million a year.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 15, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except d_f called for those guys last spring.
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by Warden11 on Sep 15, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better discussion is why don’t we have any clean-up hitters that we’ve developed ourselves? That’s the only place they come from – a club with our finances and in our position can’t pick them up as free agents.
How small market teams acquired their cleanup hitters:
Tampa Bay – Carlos Pena – minor league free agent
Oakland – Matt Holiday – trade
Cleveland – Shin Soo Choo- trade
Minnesota – Justin Morneau – drafted
Florida – Jorge Cantu – minor league free agent
Milwaukee – Prince Fielder – drafted
Cincinnati – Brandon Phillips – trade
Pittsburgh – Adam LaRoche – trade
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's not counting guys who could bat cleanup
Like minor league FA Jack Cust, Rule 5 pickup Dan Uggla, Travis Hafner (acquired for Einar Diaz), minor league FA Casey McGehee, or minor league FA Garrett Jones.
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't pick them up as free agents???
Apparently the Nationals were not aware of this rule last year.
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by James Quinn on Sep 16, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs














