Top 2009 Royals By WAR

Zack Greinke - 8.3
David DeJesus - 3.6
Brian Bannister - 2.7
Alberto Callaspo - 2.1
Billy Butler - 2.1

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What's not shown...

…is that I’m actually in the top 10, at #9.

by Marc Normandin on Sep 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions

Remember when David DeJesus was having a bad year and we needed to get rid of him?

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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions

remember when some guy was doing a countdown of the greatest Royals?

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by averagegatsby on Sep 16, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

Gotta admit RR, that was actual pretty funny

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Trust my process!

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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

this comment nearly made me lose it...

In Class

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by averagegatsby on Sep 16, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Will do

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 16, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Now he's having a good year and we need to get rid of him

Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Sep 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

fasho

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

it is nice of davey to once again start playing good baseball when the royals' season is over...

we should trade him to the mets, im sure his september performance would actually be a positive there

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by billybeingbilly on Sep 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

Um, since the middle of April?

Or do you accuse him of accumulating 2 wins in the last two weeks?

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by Warden11 on Sep 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

For the record, DeJesus should be traded because he is good, not because he's bad

DeJesus is a good baseball player. He’s the best position player the Royals have. If the Royals were anywhere near contention (as in likely to contend in the next couple of years), then the Royals would be stupid to trade him; he’s a major asset to the team. But because the Royals are rebuilding and not close to contention, he should be traded for younger talent to help rebuild the team.

Anyone who doesn’t think DeJesus is a very good player just isn’t paying attention.

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by NYRoyal on Sep 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions

fasho, II

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

They aren't not (!) paying attention

They just hate him and his smiles

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Sep 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

John Buck's downfall

If only this picture had Alex Gordon moping in the background, we would have a perfect illustration of how those three guys killed the Royals season

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 16, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i dont know about 'very good'

good, i can concede that

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by billybeingbilly on Sep 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Hard to say where the boundary line is between "good" and "very good"

But for my money, a player who has averaged 3.4 WAR over the last 5 years is a very good player.

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by NYRoyal on Sep 19, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Im a little surprised that Bannister has more value than Butler...

is this because Butler is such a poor fielder?

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by averagegatsby on Sep 16, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

It's because the positional adjustment for 1B is huge

by AxDxMx on Sep 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I figured that.

Which really says something about Pujols, but he is a good 1Bman too I guess.

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by averagegatsby on Sep 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, the fanshot I put up showing the make-up his WAR

was partially to show how good Butler’s bat almost has to be due to his fielding and positional adjustment.

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by Warden11 on Sep 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

WAR and culture

Are “wins” really an appropriate basis for measurement of player value on this club? They’re so — stop me if you’ve heard this one — immediately satisfying.

by 2X2L on Sep 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey D_F, what is the correlation between WAR and wins for a team?

It looks like it is pretty good, is it better then Pythag?

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Sep 16, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Haven't looked very closely

My guess is that it works better for individual players and projectoins, but that for particular season, Pythag (or better, PythagenPat) will correlate far better.

With WAR, it would be more interesting after a full season to calculate aech teams total WAR (adjusting for leagues, which FanGraphs hasn’t set up yet, although apparently they will this offseason), then re-run all the matchups using the odds ratio method (I think) so see how it turned out.

But I’m sure more informed people than i have thoughts on this.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 16, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

i'll crank it out later tonite

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

The r-sqaured is .74, so fairly decent up not great

Will put something up on BtB on this in a few days for all to see.

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 17, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions

that's better than I thought

how does it compare to pythageanpat?

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions

I will see how hard it is to crank out the query for 30 years

It won’t be inning adjusted. That would just take too much time

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm listening...

go on

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 16, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions