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Royals Destroy White Sox, Continue Storybook September

Kansas City Royals' Miguel Olivo hits a sacrifice fly, scoring David DeJesus, off Chicago White Sox relief pitcher Tony Pena during the seventh inning of a baseball game Friday, Sept. 18, 2009, in Chicago. Earlier in the sixth, Olivio hit a two-run home run off White Sox starter Mark Buehrle. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

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2 months ago: Kansas City Royals' Miguel Olivo hits a sacrifice fly, scoring David DeJesus, off Chicago White Sox relief pitcher Tony Pena during the seventh inning of a baseball game Friday, Sept. 18, 2009, in Chicago. Earlier in the sixth, Olivio hit a two-run home run off White Sox starter Mark Buehrle. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)


A day after an unlikely offensive explosion, the Royals did it again. Kansas City banged out thirteen hits and drew six walks, en route a 11-0 whitewashing of a lifeless White Sox team in Chicago. At 72-76, the White Sox might now finally be out of it, even in the wimpy AL Central.

  • Luke Hochevar picked a good night for a comeback start. Hochevar threw a complete game shutout, allowing just three hits and a walk. Perhaps the pitch tipping issue has been resolved. If anyone thinks they have Hochevar figured out, let us know.
  • Miguel Olivo, perhaps enraged that he was traded by Chicago five years ago blasted two homers, drew a walk, and added a sacrifice fly. Revenge game!
  • Billy Butler, David DeJesus, John Buck, and Alex Gordon also had big nights. Hmm... what do all these dudes have in common?
  • And, of course, we got our usual ration of late-game defensive switcheration and pinch-runners. Josh Anderson is pretty much the greatest late-game defensive sub of all time, although it hurts to see him come in for St. Willie. We need those guys on the field together!
  • The Royals are now 10-6 in September.

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buck, dejesus, gordon, butler

all part of losing for several years? other than that I got nothin…

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 18, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if baird only would have had some real talent to work with

say guys like damon, beltran, dye, sweeney, randa. man, i bet he coulda done sumtin real good-like with them dudez. but, it was probably the shitty pitching of guys like durbin, rosado, suppan, and ascensio and greinke that did him in. all those injuries, what bad luck!

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 18, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Butler, David DeJesus, John Buck, and Alex Gordon also had big nights. Hmm… what do all these dudes have in common?

Easy. The guys who also had big nights all had big nights!

What do I win?

by 2X2L on Sep 18, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did we win?

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Sep 18, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else PISSED?

I am. I am really fucking pissed. I’s much rather have seen this team limp toward the finish line, at the same win rate the had from May-August, as opposed to reverting back to ’27 Yankees form to lend some sort of validation to this seasons un-mitigated fucking disaster.

What havoc is this last month going to play on the ’10 roster?

Does Olivo now warrant a 2 year $10 M deal to fill the gap until Wil Myers (may, if everything goes swimmingly well) arrives in KC?

Do we remove one of our better relievers from the Pen & insert him into the starting rotation next year?

I can’t even face the reality of all the ways this hot streak could be fucking up next year, much the same way last years hot September UNDOUBTEDLY led to some of the shitty decisions that were made last Winter.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Sep 18, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im with ya....

i was hoping for a 6-20 september or something like that

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Sep 18, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some plans just take longer to come together

because, see we don’t have any injuries now….oh, wait…never mind

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Sep 18, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am very pissed

because I wish that they’d played better from May-August. I do agree with you, though that this shouldn’t change in any way the fact that significant changes have to be made to The Process™ going forward. I hope that DM isn’t fooled into thinking everything’s OK because it’s not…hopefully he notes that Hosey has been gone for most of this hot stretch and acts accordingly.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 18, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accordingly*

“Jeez, if Jose was healthy we might have gone unbeaten in September!”

GMDM

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Sep 18, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I’m fearful they will look at September and argue that once the team was back together after all the injuries they played great. They will go out and sign Livan Hernandez to a 2 year deal, Austin Kearns as a corner outfielder. Put DeJesus back in center and let Maier languish in Omaha. Hopefully they will pay attention to May-August and just ignore September.

by stram#1 on Sep 18, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because this will ruin 2010
Put DeJesus back in center

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kearns should be a cheap option at least with his BA issues

He’s batting .195, but has an OBA of .336! This is a player like Russell Branyan that could have a breakout year, seemingly out of nowhere.

Now I have no idea how good he is in the field, but Fangraphs says he’s been ok out there the last few years, especially RF. A $1M Jose replacement? I wouldn’t be against it, but it would seem to be a win now move, as Kearns will be in his age 30 season (Oh god, I just realized I’m older than Kearns by 6 months, I’ll also be in my age 30 season).

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is your birthday before or after July 1?

Last I checked, kearns is a very good defender in RF.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It's December 12th of this year.

So my age 30 season approacheth.

We can’t all be as cool as Justin Huber and be born on July 1st.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

If anyone knows how to avoid being sucked in by wiles of the Culture of Instant Gratification, it’s Dayton More

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by devil_fingers on Sep 18, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

except when its him buying in with this group after a 18-11 start

by royalsreview on Sep 19, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to overtake Cleveland more than anything

Escaping the basement would at least slightly reduce the Cardinal fans’ gloating.

by jbrocato on Sep 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said, and I am with you

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

how is that possible with their defense? they must hate him like the royals hate zack…

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 18, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe his scorers actually like him...

unlike zack’s like the other night when davey’s clusterfuck out there cost zack a run and it was still earned

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Sep 18, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they field a lot more balls due to range

so they make more errors (but still not as many as the Royals) due to the additional chances.

by swing and a miss on Sep 18, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they definitely don't hate him

their horrible offense has somehow managed to save him from seven losses after he left the game this year and turned two of those potential losses into wins. Zack has lost all the games he left down in the score.

by swing and a miss on Sep 18, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only going by wins and losses,

even Trey tells us that is not how you should judge a team.

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things are looking up!

Of course, there isn’t a whole lot of down from this vantage point. But still…

by LaFLamme on Sep 19, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and the mariners probably just won felix hernandez the cy young

ichiro walk off 2 run homer with 2 outs off marino rivera

unbelievable, sorry zack, your luck sucks

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by slayor on Sep 19, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that might actually be a blessing...

i think rivera might be a bigger threat than felix for some reason

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Sep 19, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hernandez is the hybrid of high wins and low ERA

Sabathia has a lot of wins but too high of an ERA.

Greinke doesn’t have the wins, but a ridiculously low ERA.

Hernandez has a fair amount of wins, and a relatively low ERA.

by NotAHippie on Sep 19, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Mike Sweeney

for getting the hit before Ichiro with two outs. Sweeney also hit a home run in the 9th against the Angels to save Felix from a loss.

by swing and a miss on Sep 19, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know nobody cares

But before tonight’s’ games

Here are the WAR values I calculated for the top five pitchers in the AL. Yeah, I know it’s nerdy… I just use a “dynamic” version of FIP and a different way of figuring replacement level. Note that the park adjustment for the New Yankee Stadium will probably up CC’s numbers after the season.

1. Greinke 8.8
2. Halladay 6.9
3. Verlander 6.8
4. Felix 6.3
5. CC 6.0

Now, even if Felix jumps by a win (Zack sometimes did after his best starts, I think), he’s still almost two wins behind Zack. Not that any Cy Young voter gives a crap about what my stats say,b ut whatever.

That’s just how awesomem Zack has been. Not just Felix, but Verlander, Halladay, and even CC after his sorta bad start, are all having great years. None of them are in Zack’s league. MVP.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 19, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to divide by 5 because a pitcher only plays one ever five games.

by NotAHippie on Sep 19, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a reply to BabyBlues

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by devil_fingers on Sep 19, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 29 have 23 or more HRs with 23 or fewer walks

The fewest walks in a year with 23 or more HRs was 14 walks and 24 HRs by Juan Gonzalez in 2003.

Olivo has 23 HRs and 13 walks right now

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by BHWick on Sep 19, 2009 2:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miggy

I know all of you sabertards hate Olivio but seriously look at this team. Does anyone else have 20 HR’s on this team? Yea he doesnt get them walks you all blow loads over but walks dont drive in runs. I understand the Royals need guys who get on base but all 9 guys dont need to have .400 OBP. A Catcher who hits 20+ runs, calls a good game, and has a good arm isnt easy to come by. Plus who has caught Greinke all year? You can hate on Olivo all you want but the facts are Miggy has done a fine job this year, and Zack loves him. Miggy needs to be on this team next year without a doubt.

by KCG816 on Sep 19, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

didn’t one of his walks tonight bring in a run?

by Gross(est) on Sep 19, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take your "he hits HRs" and counter it with

23 HR, 64 RBI

13 bases-empty HR

going into tonight
hits .229 with men on
hits .224 with RISP

5 HRs and 29 SO with RISP

You know the great thing about Olivo’s bases-loaded walk?

it was the first time he reached base with the bases loaded this year. He’s now 0 for 14 with a walk with the bases loaded.

If Olivo calls such a good game, how come the mortal parts of the Royals pitching staff absolutely suck?

If Olivo calls such a good game, how come he keeps calling for pitches that he can’t catch?

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by BHWick on Sep 19, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more thing

have you ever noticed that Olivo is terrible at blocking the plate on throws coming in from the OF? He’s just awful… always setting up at least 5 feet in front of the plate and forcing himself to make a head-first dive towards the dish if he hopes to tag out the runner. That could be the Royals coaches, and in fact, probably can be blamed on them… but Olivo isn’t doing the team any favors with his lack of fundamentals.

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by CollininCalifornia on Sep 19, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deion Sanders is more open to contact than Miguel Olivo

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by BHWick on Sep 19, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Howie Mandel is more open to contact than Miguel Olivo.

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by jonfmorse on Sep 19, 2009 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The best thing that could happen from Miggy's big ending

I like that Olivo is hitting well (relatively speaking). I think it was posted that he has a 3+ mil mutual option. He is a Type B free agent, so perhaps this will inspire him to leave and get a contract from another team that will overvalue his power, and then we could get a draft pick for a 100K buyout.

I’m not sure how all the contract details work, but it seems like that would be the best case scenario.

by bas on Sep 19, 2009 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dayton!!

Welcome! None of us thought you knew how to use a computer!

Chiefs roll. 'nuf said.

by kabrink on Sep 19, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if it werent for may, june, july and august...

we would have had a good year… damn mlb process.

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Sep 19, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really don't understand the Miggy bashing.

     He is now our third most valuable position player, he just passed Bulter, and is .1 behind Callaspo. He now has a 2.2 WAR (9.8 million). A leauge average catcher for 3 million instead of 10 million is a good thing. This does take in effect his low on base percentage. Olivo is having a career year at the age of 31, right when he becomes a six year free agent. Olivo is starting to ajust, finally, to the fact that if he waits a few pitchers, and gets ahead, then pitchers have to throw him a strike. If we lose him to free agency, or if the option gets picked up, or if he accepts arbitration, I am fine with any of them, Olivo is not the problem with the team, and catcher is not a hole for the Royals, its a strength.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Sep 19, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

people don''t care for his plate discipline

personally, i’ve never had much of a problem with olivo. he’s not great, but he’s also not the reason we are losing. if moore was an awesome GM, he’d parlay olivo’s decent season into a prospect or two, and then we’d rely on brayan and buck as C. i

by marbotty on Sep 19, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buck is worthless.

Although he did come up with a big home run in the 9th inning of a blowout, which is when I’m convinced he does all his hitting.

I have no problem with bringing back Olivo. The team is already short on power, dumping Olivo for a defensive specialist would make the problem worse. I would much rather have a below-average defensive team that can hit, rather than the other way around.

by jbrocato on Sep 19, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's cheaper to a have a below average hitting team that can play defense.
I would much rather have a below-average defensive team that can hit, rather than the other way around.

Not saying defense is better, but the Royals aren’t going to be able to field a team of guys who can hit unless they are from within the system. It’s just too expensive to do that. Defense is still cheap.

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Him and ARod man.

And you and your selective memory.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about the WAR for catchers,

but I do know there isn’t a defense component. So, catchers are getting a position adjustment (for catchers it is a plus) without taking into account their defense. Most rational people readily admit that Olivo is below average behind the plate. To me, the wins above replacement seems high for him considering that.

Question for the real saber guys on the site, am I missing something when it comes to catchers?

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a "real" saber guy

But I was thinking the same thing you were.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, they don't have d numbers for catchers yet

It’s complicated to do it well (WOWY); I cam do a simple evaluation that others do w/ basic stats. It tales a while, so I probably won’t run it again until after the season.

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by devil_fingers on Sep 19, 2009 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

and see my sig. re; "saber guy"

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by devil_fingers on Sep 19, 2009 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You're as close as it gets around here.

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about the man formerly known as Tucson Royal?

There’s others. d_f is just on here constantly though.

The Royals seem to have more than their fair share of these guys.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team

was 18-8 last September and what did it do for them this year ? As Olivo says " I feel no pressure at home plate" well, yeh, Its September and the teams they are playing are on cruise control. Look at how Dejesus is padding his stats after hitting 240 under pressure. The only good thing about this game is that if Hochevar was tipping his pitches, it may have been resolved.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Sep 19, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

his .316 in July, .324 in August, and .328 this month is just padding his stats. Not real talent.

Wow, just noticed his numbers the last 2 1/2 months. He’s been pretty freaking hot, huh?

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was nodding with you

Until you threw in the DDJ jibe.

It amazes me, stupefies me infact, that there are still people out there who think DDJ is anything other than a very good outfielder.

by kcbottom9th on Sep 19, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like everybody

makes a play sometime that someone will never forgive him for. DDJ has now been around for 6 full seasons, so he’s made a bunch.

by 2X2L on Sep 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a good outfielder who routinely makes retarded plays....

see the shoo ‘triple’ last week, the 9 bounce throw into 2nd base, the consistent misplays at the wall, etc

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Sep 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would a good outfielder "routinely make retarded plays"?

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he gets to alot of balls that most OFs wouldnt....but then fucks up alot of balls that average outfielders make...

he’s like the shortstop that can cover the entire IF but will still boot the routine DP play more often than the average guy.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Sep 19, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Sep 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TPJ?

DDJ is no Emil Brown or Chip Ambres in the OF, that is for sure.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing about DDJ is

that he’s past his peak (nearing 30) and eventually he’s gonna have to be dealt

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by BHWick on Sep 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He need to go to the Yankees

Suzyn Waldman loves him. DDJ & Aviles for ???

by 2X2L on Sep 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell

Throw in Gordon too, and get A-Rod. It’s time that deal was finally done.

by kcbottom9th on Sep 19, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

but only if we can get Ransom too.

by 2X2L on Sep 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon

is going to be a star and maybe the team captain in the coming years. I think he will be better than that Evan guy at Tampa Bay. Yes, Gordon Beckham is the real deal.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Sep 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Olivo's HRs

(D_F or Gopherballs, correct me if I’m wrong…)

His HR/Flyball ratio is a ridiculous 20.9%, which is nearly double his career ratio. What this means is that balls that usually fell for doubles in the past 7 years of his career are now making their way over the fence. He’s not hitting more XBH overall though — the doubles are just turning into HRs. This is likely to reverse in the future, and he’ll likely be back to a ~22 2B, ~13 HR type guy. (Still good, but the SLG won’t make up for the lack of OBP as easily)

Of course, the counter argument would be that his number of ABs ending in a K has increased to over 30% — so maybe he’s selling out by swinging for the fences more. That could be, but expecting him to continue to be a 22+ HR threat going forward would be the equivalent of expecting Mike Jacobs to be a perennial 32+ HR hitter. (So I expect a 2/10 deal with 3 player options announced any day now)

Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Sep 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy answer:

Juice

/not really, but had to say it

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we could fleece Omar Minaya

the way the Marlins fleeced us with Jacobs? Only we get more in trade because Olivo is a great catcher.

by AxDxMx on Sep 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omar and Dayton should right a book together

On how to be a good GM.

Guaranteed it would top the comedy charts for 756 consecutive weeks.

by kcbottom9th on Sep 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chapter One

I don’t understand how ROI is evaluated. I really don’t.

by 2X2L on Sep 19, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd probably be read in GM schools across the nation,

teaching a great lesson on what not to do.

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by Warden11 on Sep 19, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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