With Another Great Start, It's Time to Give Zack Greinke the Cy Young Award
by Freneau on Sep 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT
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PrintSo Zack Greinke was able to shut down the Red Sox, just like he shut down everyone else. Are you, the incredibly small group of baseball writers that we take way too seriously, satisfied yet?
Greinke threw six scoreless innings against Boston on Tuesday night, allowing just two hits, while lowering his ERA on the season to 2.08. A patient Boston lineup did draw three walks, although Greinke also struck out five.
Late last week I heard Peter Gammons discussing Zack Greinke's Cy Young chances on ESPN Radio. Like everyone else, Gammons agreed that Greinke was the best pitcher in the American League this season, although he did not hesitate to add that one weak part of his resume was that he hadn't faced the Red Sox or Yankees in 2009.
(Of course, the Royals only play the Red Sox and Yankees twice a season, and half of those games had yet to be played. Greinke was slated to face Boston in four days and is likely to pitch against New York later this month. Not surprisingly, this point was not made. Never let the factual details get in the way of your point, I suppose.)
Last year, Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay had similar numbers (save in the win column, essentially the least helpful stat) and I argued that Halladay deserved the Cy Young over Lee by virtue of facing the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays a total of sixteen times, while Lee seemingly pitched against the Royals once a week. Zack Greinke, it must be said, not only has to be teammates with the Royals, by rule, he is also not allowed to pitch against them.
The strength of opposition argument is valid... when we're comparing two pitchers who are close. However, this season, no one is close to Greinke. He's the best pitcher in baseball this season. There's no one in the same ... oh, hell, ballpark, right now. He's having one of the best seasons of the decade. He's even got a great off-field story, which does matter to people. He's the Cy Young.
Give the man the damn award.
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That picture
is pretty sweet
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Nice Greinke pic there
And way to split the series early!
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by ratherfantastic on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
6 out save
4 out save
3 out save
1 pitch save
Soria can do it all
hope he’s available tomorrow
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its the special greinke treatment
as I said in the game thread, I havent seen a manager gun this hard for a meaningless september game since pete rose managed the reds
by Freneau on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
these are the games that you have to win
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It probably happens more often than you think
if you watch closely. Last year Joe Girardi used every good pitcher in the Yankee bullpen in game 161 about a week after the Yankees were eliminated to save Mike Mussina’s first and only 20 win season. Personal milestones for your ace are a big deal to every manager.
by swing and a miss on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
we should bet on it
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP!
Dear Peter Gammons:
How does my ass taste?
Love,
Zack Greinke
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Is a sub 2.00 ERA possible?
Greinke has currently given up 50 ER which means he would need to throw a total of 225.1 IP in order to have an ERA of 1.997. He has currently thrown 206.1 innings, so he needs exactly 19 IP without an ER in order to make it. Unfortunately he only has 2 starts left, so barring two extraordinary efforts (plus maybe a relief appearance thrown in there), it does not look too good.
by Mac'n'Seitz on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why I care about the award.
But I really do. We need some sort of thing to be proud of with this team, other than they play above replacement level baseball only in September and occasionally April.
the Angel Berrora ROY wasn't good enough for you?
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by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it was good enough
but i need at least one meaningless award every 6 years
the Grudz Gold Glove means nothing to you?
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Win # 63
means we’re guaranteed another season with losses in the mere double digits.
And now we’re a full 1.5 games out of last place.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
they're less likely to fuck up a lower pick
it’ll zone them in on a larger pool of players so they don’t get herded into picking someone just because they’re supposed to be a high pick
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I agree...
though it would be fun to have a run at Bryce Harper
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by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And let's not forget the gloating factor
for those of us in New England. That’s ewwwwwwwwwwwge!
by LaFLamme on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was out all evening and I don't know if this was covered
but I saw John Kruk discussing Xaq and they were talking about his league lowest ERA, but Kruk said that he has to win the final three games to win the Cy Young in his mind. “He needs 16 wins”. Nice analysis Krukie.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Don't Question The
Judgement of a one balled man who has shot a deer from his hot tub in West Virginia.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 23, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL I'm watching the NESN postgame
Fun to hear dave roberts say zack didn’t pitch that great tonight, was getting all the calls on the outside corner, and he’d still give the cy young to sabathia.
……….wtf???? like what planet do these people live on?
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Wasn't Greinke getting squeezed?
I wasn’t really watching every pitch, but I know everyone was bitching about it.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I didn't watch
but if the ball is on the outside corner, it is a strike…
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
He lives on the planet
‘Red Sox Nation’
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Kanye West just interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to let everyone know
that Michael Jackson's funeral was better!!!
Splitty is starting to sound a little better...
maybe its the talking everyday, “stretching” the chords a little
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
I really hope he gets back to normal
I can’t really continue to make fun of Lou Holtz and now Split
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not Split^^
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that Hochevar blows them out and we CRUSH Beckett.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
SVP was givin him love
saying he should have well over 20 wins
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
I really like SVP...
and I hope he gets that emmy so he can have his Scott Van Melt
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by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I listen to SVP and Ryen
everyday during work…I wish they didn’t give way to Doug Gotlieb at 3 o’clock
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't get AM where I work...
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by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
terry francona just said greinke has the best slider in baseball
“any adjectives, you could use, and he’s all of him”
RESPECT
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no thanks, I prefer to have my opinions informed by experts like John Kruk and Dave Roberts
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate John Kruk more and more every day
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
John Kruk is another example of a guy I used to love...
and he has one of the greatest shirts ever…
On the front it says “If I can’t play in the game …”
and on the back “… I’ll take my ball and go home.”
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't catch the game
did z’attack come out of the game after 6 because of his 91 pitches? was it precautionary for the arm? end of the season reasoning? or was our bullpen too good to keep on the bench?
sidenote: did brayan die?
I'm hiding out in the big city blinking.
We will never understand how one of the greatest baseball minds in a generation works.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Joyce reference is hilarious.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
More Like Burroughs.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 23, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i bet he would have stayed in if it was 2-0
all in all, not a bad gamble on hillman’s part to yank him early
Colon looked good tonight.
He’s like a box of chocolate…
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Kanye West just interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to let everyone know
that Michael Jackson's funeral was better!!!
I'm guessing
that after blowing out ever other arm on the staff, Hillman wants to limp Zach along to 17 wins 6 innings at a time.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Kanye West just interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to let everyone know
that Michael Jackson's funeral was better!!!
In McClure's postgame interview with Joel in place of Zack (who was in the clubhouse before the end of the game)
he said that it was more precautionary than anything, but that Zack was really tough. It was sort of left unspoken that the 5 run lead was enough for even the Royals to hold. Also, I kind of felt like sending Zack back out for the 7th left the possibility of finishing the game out completely out there. He had a shutout through 6, if he gets through the 7th with it intact, he’d probably lobby for the 8th, and then the 9th. They cut all that crap out by taking him early. I totally agreed with the move.
I attended the game tonight, and the first inning was great! The only thing better would have been if Billy’s blast to the wall later in the game had gone over, or dropped for his 50th double.
Wow how quickly does Kruky change his tune
now he says Grienke should win
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
Did he really?
I figured he’d just make something stupid up and say Zack still shouldn’t get it.
nope he did a complete
180 from what he said just hours ago
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it looks like espn is going to really push the Grienke angle
now that he’s proven himself (cough cough)
He still hasn't faced the Yankees
Never mind that Sabathia hasn’t either.
by NotAHippie on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also very surprisingly
there is a poll on espn where Greinke has 60% of the vote between himself, King Felix, and CC
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
But keep in mind the average ESPN voter
“It happened today, thus it’s the biggest deal!”
by sterlingice on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he had 50% of the vote
in a poll that’s was ongoing all month for AL Cy Young on ESPN sportsnation between him, Doc, JV, CC, and Felix. And he won every state that’s not part of the home territory of the Yankees, Mariners, or Tigers.
by swing and a miss on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
WAR update
pitching 18.8
positional 8.1 (awful)
total 26.9 = 27
projected wins per WAR = 75
hmmmm
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
from WAR, basically replacement level wins is 48,
then you add WAR at the end of the season. But it would be like 69 projected wins right now because there are 11 games left. Basically, the Royals have been unlucky this year by this measure.
Go Royals!
good point
but I think you get the jist. however, i don’t think it’s luck, more likely terrible defense at catcher and horrific baserunning accounts for a large part of the difference. some bad luck for sure (seagulls) but they’ve also done plenty to hurt themselves.
if DM brings back Jacobs and/or Olivo my head will fucking explode.
Kansas City Royals - rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic since 1994.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
royals are 15-23 in 1-run games
which is pretty amazing considering they have had soria for 80% of the season
I'm not totally sure its unlucky...
WAR is an excellant measure of Individual Value, but not the best predictive tool.
The main problem being that baseball is a team game, and while you can calculate someones contributions, the amount that that contribution affects their odds of winning the games varies by the cast around them.
Theres a saying that a 6 WAR player on a team of replacement guys is less valuable than 3 2WAR players on a team of replacements simply because much of the 6 war guys contributions are gonna go to waste (See Adrian Gonzalez and Zach)
The Royals this year are probabyl a bit of an extreme case simply because the contributions of their best player have been mollified by the suck of the rest of the team.
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although...
the royals are now 16-15 in games started by greinke, which still amazingly sucks, but is nevertheless considerably better than what they do in all other games
lol yep, which really just illustrates how horrific this team is
With Zachs numbers the Royals should be about 22-5 in games he starts, which accounts for the discrepancy in his predictions
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At fanfest...
My friend tried to get Zack Greinke to sign a baseball: “Zack Greinke 2009 Cy Young” He wouldn’t do it
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
I totally froze when I "met" Zack at the caravan
I chatted with B-Mac, Kila, and Dennis Leonard, but Zack’s sheer aweomeness intimidated me
Duffy*, Montgomery*, and Melville* for Willy Taveras and Paul Janish
*currency of baseball
by McClure 'stache on Sep 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't remember what I asked him
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by averagegatsby on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Minda made it on the radio
yay, internet people are able to use the phone :D
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you can get phone service from your mom's basement?
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
she drove in from Lincoln
so phone reception is no problem
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Tonight is the first time I have heard the talking head
mention all of the times Greinke has had an amazing start and not gotten the win
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
John Kruk
“Put him in New York with that lineup, and he’s got at least 22 wins right now”
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
Really -- How many people are truly arguing against Zack?
I know we’re paranoid. I know there’s big-market bias. But really, how many writers/analysts have truly embraced the cause of Halladay, CC, Verlander, or Felix? From what I’ve heard, not very many.
Now, someone may make a stray remark here or there that Greinke advocates will (rightfully) tear to shreds, but that’s not the same thing as how they will cast their vote when they sit down and look at the whole picture.
Maybe I’m just naive, but that’s how I see it.
I dont think anyone is saying Halladay...
he has pretty much crumbled since the trade fallout
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 23, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
the last week has changed the game
greinke’s snagged two Ws… which seems to have sealed it for a lot of people
how is that even possible
Felix has one more win…otherwise Zack dominates him
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I nearly fell out of my chair when i saw it too
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by averagegatsby on Sep 23, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
and the lack of a playoff bonus
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 23, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
King Felix doesn't get that bonus though
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by averagegatsby on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
true....i cant imagine how the 1 win can make that much of a difference...and i even looked at the formula
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 23, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
six points for one win, six points for three losses
12 point advantaged Felix has based solely on W-L
by swing and a miss on Sep 23, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
and
check out the 31 less earned runs than CC
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 23, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The points will update tomorrow morning
I have a spreadsheet with their formula, and Greinke has 166.3 points now. :P
by swing and a miss on Sep 23, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
well the ERA and wins updated
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 23, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah the regular stats update instantly with the ESPN database
but the Cy predictor is recalculated every morning, partially because they change the victory bonus at whim and it’s different every day.
by swing and a miss on Sep 23, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
no, but i've been watching the Cy Predictor every day
since about mid-August. Plus I have the spreadsheet that tells me what they change when I compare it to my numbers. /dork
by swing and a miss on Sep 23, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple of people already brought up this point, and I think it's hilarious
Sabathia never had the face the Yankees!, yet he doesn’t get penalized by the voters for obvious reasons. Grienke also never gets to face the Royals so he doesn’t get a a couple of automatic wins a year (sorry, no disrespect to the Royals).
Also, if you’ll take a look at BP’s Quality of Batter’s Faced stat (incedentially, one of the few reasons I got to BP anymore), here are the opponents OPS’s for Grienke, Sabathia and Felix:
CC: .748
Grienke: .752
Felix: .760
So Grienke has actually faced tougher opposition than CC, and slightly easier than Felix (of course Halladay still has the toughest schedule in baseball).
good stuff
you ready for the Missouri Cy Young sweep this year?
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Sep 23, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
San Francisco isnt in Missouri
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 23, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
halladay...
he’s probably always going to be the king of this
just imagine next year if the oriole lineup is as good as people think it can be
I don't know why FanGraphs doesn't adjust for opponent
It’s the same theory as a park adjustment, and just as relevant.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 23, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Pujols' oppenents OPS allowed is .730, which is below average.
Or I could be reading this wrong:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=537956
by vivaelpujols on Sep 23, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesnt take into account the shittiness of the NL
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 23, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
he's better off in that regard than Chase Utley
even Tango wondered whether Chase Utley might not be white, he’s so underrated relative to his talent
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 23, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
AL Cy Young voting
2 voters per city… let’s size it up
28 votes
10 AL Central, 10 AL East, 8 AL West
the Central voters should be pretty friendly to Greinke.
Texas, LA, and Oakland are somewhat good possibilities. Greinke faired very well against LA and Texas.
Seattle is an odd one since they might knock Greinke down a few pegs to enhance Felix
Boston will vote Beckett, and neither of their votes actually came to KC for this series
New York will vote Sabathia and/or Mariano. Because nothing says Cy Young like being 2nd in your league in saves.
Baltimore and Toronto are unknowns
Tampa Bay may not help since Greinke sucked down there.
So we have 16 promising votes out of the 28
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I just don't think that Rivera can get to 16 wins
so I couldn’t vote for him.
by KCScuba on Sep 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's a good sign when the associated press is pointing out the lack of run support
being a huge factor in W-L record. Greinke has a pervasive and persuasive narrative in the media, and nobody else does.
by swing and a miss on Sep 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
My favorite thing...
…about this stretch from Greinke, is that most of us here have been fretting about Greinke getting a screw job by the writers because his record wasn’t as good as it needed to be but if you really looked at the numbers, Greinke was the best pitcher in the AL and arguably the best in MLB. But now, over the last few weeks he’s basically taken matters into his own hands. Three weeks ago, there was some argument, a weak argument, but still an argument to be made for Verlander or Felix or even CC. Now, there is no argument. His ERA’s dropped from a wonderful 2.44 to a borderline historic 2.08. He’s not backing into the award. He’s not hoping for a split vote from the east coast. He’s going out and making sure there’s no doubt that he’s the best pitcher in the world. And it’s been fun to watch. Incidentally, I can’t believe that Mo Rivera is in the discussion. His era is now only .17 better than Zack’s in 160 fewer innings. 160! It’s not even close. Three weeks ago, maybe. Now? No way.
It isn't a debate anymore
I’ll be pissed if it isn’t unanimous. There is no reason, other than local bias, that you could possibly make any half decent argument for anyone other than Greinke. Especially if the person you vote for is CC Sabbathia or a friggin reliever who doesn’t lead the league in his magic stat. Felix I could just about tolerate.
Kudos to Minda
heard her call in a couple of questions on the 610 post game. She even managed to stump the ridiculously prepared Greg Schaum with a minor league question (Parraz – what was his final injury? In defense of Greg, apparently the Royals have never quite gotten around to letting anybody know in the first place)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
New Greinke goal
Even though I think that he looks like he will win it now anyway, I am rooting hard for the following:
14 or more IPs over the last 2 starts; 1 ER or less.
That’s what he needs to do to get his ERA below 2.00
May seem trivial – but don’t discount the psychological impact that might have on an “old school” voter.
Interesting dilemma: say he pitches a shutout Sunday, thus lowering his ERA below 2.00 Do you decide and sit him the last start, guaranteeing he finishes below 2? I say no – because I also would like to see him beat Leo’s team K record. Needs 16 for that now, so it may not be easy.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
I would like to see break that record as well
and sitting him out the final day would be a really bad move, especially if the Twins and Tigers are in the hunt.
Players of the last fifty years with a better ERA+ than Zack's current 210
Roger Clemens 1990- 213
Kevin Brown 1996- 216
Pedro Martinez 1997- 219
Roger Clemens 1997- 221
Roger Clemens 2005- 226
Dwight Gooden 1985- 228
Pedro Martinez 1999- 243
Bob Gibson 1968- 258
Greg Maddux 1995- 262
Greg Maddux 1994- 271
Pedro Martinez 2000- 291
so funny...
i was JUST looking at that…
by billexgordler on Sep 23, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
and 50 years was chosen arbitrarily
i could have said 78
Greinke deserves the Cy Young award hands down. It’s a shame he’s not on a better team because if he was he would already have 20 wins and there would be no further discussion. The problem is he’s playing on a lousy team in a really small market. I hope the writers are smart enough to overlook that because he really does deserve it.
Just a little love from Anaheim
Mark Gubicza on the Cy Young-
“CC Sabathia will win it, but Zach Greinke deserves it.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Rex Hudler for President.
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