Soren Petro: Dayton Moore said there was a concentrated effort to extend guys, to try to get the starting pitchers to go deeper into games. That's obviously a process, its a great idea in theory. Is that process one of the major reasons why Gil Meche and Brian Bannister are finishing the year on the disabled list?

Trey Hillman: I think its a possibility that people don't understand the mental part of this game. You asked me earlier whether or not it was part of the philosophy. Yes it was. And it was ingrained in these guys from February on when they came into the early camp. You know there are a couple of things that we haven't done any differently than we did last year when we had much fewer sore shoulders and breakdowns so to speak...The adjustment we did make this year was we asked pitchers, we asked our starting pitchers, to expect to finish the game. And its a mindset.