Moore confirms Hillman to return as manager, says players accountable for poor season
I especially like the part where he calls out, of all things, Billy Butler's inability to turn a 3-6-3 double play.
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Note to Dayton Moore fans
Read this interview and then tell me the snark is unjustified.
My favorite two paragraphs:
"The biggest criticism that I’ve read that people have of Trey is he can’t manage our bullpen," Moore said. "I’ll tell you, I’m not sure the greatest baseball mind in the history of the game could figure the right matchups on certain nights.
"And I’ll clarify that by saying we have very talented relief pitchers in our bullpen who just haven’t performed up to their capabilities. To me, that’s no fault of Trey’s. That’s just a reflection of guys all having down years at the same time."
I just can’t.
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But he's 100% right
Even the greatest genius in baseball can’t figure out whether the right pitcher to go with is Farnsworth, or Bale, or Colon, or Wright.
You can’t trot Soria out in the 6th inning of every non-Grienke game, you know.
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by cmkeller on Sep 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh, i agree with that
it’s just too bad that talent is spread arbitrarily between teams, and the Royals just happened to get all the terrible relievers this time
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was just their turn, I guess.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not just the bullpen
Take Willie Bloomquist, he’s on his… what? 5th down year in a row?
Talk about bad luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warden -
get your butt back over to RCT. You were missed on last nights OGT…
Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter, Michelle Bachman, Elizabeth Hasslebeck...where do all these moderately attractive and immensely silly women come from?
by labbadabba on Sep 4, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite part is that
he moved on from calling out royals fans to people and society in general:
“In our immediate-gratification society," he said, "everybody wants to point fingers. But from what I’ve seen from everything that goes on in this organization, Trey Hillman’s leadership is one of the strengths of our organization.”
by wildthang on Sep 4, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the leadership of this organization must be outstanding.
So many guys playing up and over their ability levels…wait, that’s not happening either.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Sep 4, 2009 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and look what else he said to Dutton
But you can’t hold a whole front office responsible for the underperformance of a few good players. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the system of free agency? And if the whole system of free agency is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our economic institutions in general? I put it to you, Bob – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
how about tooth decay, Dayton? what of the children?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Sep 4, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow -
I usually save this for my political blogging, but:
Strawman, party of one…
Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter, Michelle Bachman, Elizabeth Hasslebeck...where do all these moderately attractive and immensely silly women come from?
by labbadabba on Sep 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing:
Trey Hillman’s leadership IS one of the strengths of the organization.
and that is the greatest indictment of the organization I have heard yet!!
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on Sep 4, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's brought accountability and professionalism back to KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by royalsreview on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he surely has.
Accountants are needed to add up all the runs this defense, and the pitchers give away.
While we have a group of professional clowns on the field.
by AxDxMx on Sep 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part...
was when he pulled out the injury excuse and said it would be a different team without Guillen/Gordon/Aviles etc… getting hurt.
by djk royal on Sep 4, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause those guys are game changers.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.... ummm... it would have been
No Yuni trade for one. Aviles likely could have hit .280 if he wasn’t hurt. Gordon increased produciton in the 2nd half last year, particularly his walks, which is usually a sign that power is coming. Gordon could have had a breakout year, instead he ended up flushing the season with an injury. The Guillen one is laughable though. He’s got nothing left in the tank, and wasn’t injured most of the year.
by AxDxMx on Sep 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the snark level to which I want to replie to GMDM would surely break the interwebs
NCAA Football; better than everything. That is an understatement.
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 4, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure the interwebs is built on snark
by marbotty on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
however the internet is not
Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter, Michelle Bachman, Elizabeth Hasslebeck...where do all these moderately attractive and immensely silly women come from?
by labbadabba on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh...there's GMDM's personal accountability again....
‘its not my managers fault…its not my fault b/c the players i brought in are good, its all on the players for having down years….oh, and baird for drafting that fat fuck butler’
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and not to be overly insensitive....
but someone tell me why the fuck i know trey’s father in law’s name? Why does this have to be mentioned in every single article? Are we supposed to feel more sorry for Trey for his father in law dying than for Coco when the grandmother that raised him died earlier in the year ? Why don’t I know her name?
And, sorry for this ridiculous post, but after seeing Tom Tigner in print 40 times it just really started to bother me. Yes, throwing this name out there as a sympathy ploy for Trey is something that I absolutely do not put past Dayton Moore.
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if hillmans leadership is one of the strenghts of the organization, were fucked even more than i though....
and yes, I will now stop reading the article 1/3 of the way through
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 4, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did moore do one of those
hold out the camera and take a pic of himself for that article?
by wildthang on Sep 4, 2009 4:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
it’s a glamour shot
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a picture from a JC Penney catalog, not sure which
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JC Penney.....Hamilton, Missouri's own
see, Dayton is just trying to connect with Royal roots
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Sep 4, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore will not allow reality to cloud his thinking
These Royals struggle to score runs while simultaneously displaying severe defensive shortcomings and an alarming inability to execute such basic fundamental skills as situational hitting and running the bases.
As for the manifold breakdowns and inefficiencies, mental and physical, that so often bite the Royals at key moments in tight games — Moore places blame primarily on the players.
"I don’t hold our coaching staff accountable for that at all," he said, "because I know it is stressed every day. I know when mistakes are made that Trey Hillman is the first person to confront (a player).
I think those two quotes sum up one of the problems I have been noticing about the Royals administration recently. It is not Trey Hillman’s job to “confront” players who perform poorly for months on end. It is his job to help them improve. No amount of Trey’s badgering will be of any value if the players he is coaching show no improvement. It is the difference between “wanting” to do a job well and actually “doing” a job well. And it would seem that Dayton Moore is evaluating Trey based on his level of desire rather than on his level of competence.
This all kinda makes sense in this organization. After all, Dayton Moore was just given a four year extension based on similar criteria. Moore constructed a team that is simply awful and likely to get worse with time, but he really tried to do a good job and things didn’t work out as he envisioned they should work out. Thus he refuses to accept that the team’s collapse in 2009 was in any way his fault. He really tried to be a good general manager. He thinks the team is “underperforming” because reality hasn’t conformed to his predictions. He blames reality (the poor performance of the players he acquired in a long series of heavily criticized moves) for not more closely matching his dream world.
Stories like this one make me believe that Royals fans can expect more of the same from Moore and Hillman next year. Apparently one of the things they do best is refuse to accept responsibility for their failures.
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
why accept responsibility for your failure
when you have 25 players you can throw under the bus? Does Dayton ever admit to any mistake?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction, 24 players you can throw under the bus. Dayton Moore could never say anything bad about his BFF Bloomy.
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Butler wouldn't fit under a bus
Is Ponson the bus?
by AxDxMx on Sep 4, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit B:
In our immediate-gratification society," he said, "everybody wants to point fingers. But from what I’ve seen from everything that goes on in this organization, Trey Hillman’s leadership is one of the strengths of our organization.
"People can debate that, and I know they will, but it’s one of the strengths of our organization because the guy is a winner and he works and he cares."
He’s a winner because he works and cares.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, what makes Hillman a “winner?” It doesn’t seem to be the number of games his baseball team wins.
Ah, crap. Why do reporters even print babble vomit like this crap without offering some commentary on how stupid it all is. Is the KC Star Dayton Moore’s PR agency?
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I liked that article as well. There might be something there.
Although, I would argue that Dayton Moore has certainly done a poor job of running a “professional looking” organization over the last couple years. In particular his acquisitions of Farnsworth, Bloomquist and Bentancourt pretty well made the organization look ridiculous in the eyes of most baseball people across the nation this season.
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trey is every bit the winner
that Dayton Moore said Willie Bloomquist was. You know, because of Willie’s contributions to those awesome Mariners teams of the mid-to-late 00s
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked that line a lot
because it made me wonder to whom DM was comparing Trey. Who are these non-winning managers that Trey is superior to? Where does one find that manager who doesn’t work and doesn’t care? Was DM thinking of Tom Hanks’ character in A League of Their Own?
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by royalsroyalsroyals on Sep 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does one find that manager who doesn’t work and doesn’t care?
Those guys must be the managers of teams who are out of the race by the end of July.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Sep 4, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience People
Long time reader, 1st time poster. Thanks to all the sabermetrics folks online who provide a additional ways to measure the ineptitude of the royals players.
With that being said, I for one appreciated the article in the Star as it did not demonstrate ignorance. Rather, Dayton demonstrated that many things went wrong, but believed that the approach to solving the problem is still on course. That is much more difficult to do than to be buffetted by the wind. The easy thing to do would be to fire Trey.
The assumption in that argument is that the people at the helm are not complete morons. Unfortunately, that assumption is difficult to assess since we are not there watching day-to-day interactions. Why do I have more patience? At the beginning of the season, significant number of people thought the Royals had a shot at being a 500 club. Numerous good baseball people thought that the bullpen would be a source of strength (Rany et al.). For multiple reasons, the experiment failed. Unfortunately, that is life and and building a baseball team is not a linear-progress job. Its important to remember when te dust settles at the end of this season, Dayton signed Grienke to a 4 year deal which covers a multple of Farnswarth/Mike Jacobs sins.
Patience to see the minor leagues develop. When the front office has 25 players and then they don’t perform, that’s the time to call for heads.
by BoStartedIt on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
he blamed injuries, instead of acknowledging the 18-11 may have been a fluke
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
18-11 WAS THE ONLY TIME THIS SEASON WHEN REALITY RULED
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Im sorry...
I will no go back to trusting the process.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More blather from the wailing masses
Moore recognizes this and openly accepts the mea culpa while apologizing to fans.
But that doesn’t fit into the predetermined opinions so let’s leave it out.
Having said that, I think it’s stupid to bring Hillman back…he sounds stupid when he talks, he’s sensitive and defensive which to me shows a lack of confidence, and he makes terrible tactical decisions. I think this is a bad move by Moore. There is a grain of truth in the fact that you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but Hillman is still a bad manager. My only hope is that if/when Hillman gets this team off to a 17-32 start next year that he’s shitcanned.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't understand that quote.
“Mea culpa” means “my fault”; who was he accepting a “my fault” from? Was he issuing one?
by stuckinstl12 on Sep 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"I hear some of that stuff," he said. "I should be blamed on that if anybody wants somebody to blame. I sat Trey and (pitching coach Bob McClure) down before the year and said I wanted these guys stretched out.
"Last year, I felt we were too conservative, that we didn’t let guys stay in long enough and work through situations and pitch deep into games. I wanted that mind-set changed."
Goodness I wish he would take some fucking responsibility for something already.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This worked in Texas...
of course though they started stretching them out in spring training and now mid season.
There is a fantastic article in the newest ESPN the mag about how Nolan Ryan started flogging their pitching staff in spring training so they would be in shape to go further in games.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if stretching them out is right or wrong
I can see a side of it that makes sense, that you’re building up arm strength but I could also see being very cautious. For whatever reason, the “injury nexus” thing makes a lot of sense to me, that once somebody’s body has matured to a certain point they’re less likely to get injured. Maybe you baby them up to a certain point and then you can let it go a little more.
I do think it’s clear that letting Gil finish that game was a really bad idea in the long run. Hopefully he can come back fresh and strong next year. I can see stretching the starters out a little bit but 132 pitches is way overboard for Gil and most pitchers.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Im just saying there is a right way and a wrong way to stretch out arms… And it looks like its working in Texas. They are also dead in the middle in injuries to their pitching staff, which would also lead me to believe they are doing it the proper where, their bodies have been developed to go longer and not get fatigued, I have a sneaking suspicion that the Royals did nothing different and instead implemented tough love when they are in game situations.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah and that would be the wrong way to do it
for sure (the Royals way, I mean). Look at Banny also, he doesn’t seem to be able to handle multiple 100+ outings. We don’t know about Hochevar or Davies b/c they can’t make it that far.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
if they were conditioned better maybe they would last another inning, so we only have to rely on Lamey Wrong for 2 innings instead of 3 innings.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God he better be gone
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference between saying you accept responsiblity and actually accepting responsiblity. If Dayton Moore actually accepted responsibility he would awknowledge that he made mistakes, and that he will modify his behavior. Instead Dayton Moore says he accepts responsibility but did nothing wrong and will change nothing in the future.
What you have here is Dayton Moore saying what he thinks is expected of him, that as the GM he is responsible for the clubs performance, but at the same time refusing to accept that he was responsible at all for the club’s performance. It is just more vomit babble. I wish Dutton had done a better job this time and actually called Moore on the disconnect between his statements and his actions.
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And
"I hold our players accountable for that," Moore declared. "They understand the situation, and they’ve got to execute. I also, at times, have to recognize that we’re just not good enough. When we’re trying to execute in those situations, the other club is trying to execute in a way to prevent us from being successful.
"I hold myself accountable with regard to that as well. Here’s why: If our players can’t be successful in those types of situations, they have to be held accountable. But it’s very difficult to hold them accountable when we don’t have enough resources at Double-A and Triple-A in terms of players — not in terms of finances but in terms of (capable) players — at this point in time."
What a f@cking pussy!!!1111111111111onnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee
No wonder the players don’t take accountability for their shitty underperformance this year, the fucking guy in charge won’t hold himself accountable.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, give Dayton a break
He’s holding himself accountable here while merely mentioning in passing that none of this is his fault because oh dear lord our double-A and triple-A cupboards are so, so bare. And as all knowledgeable baseball people are aware, it’s nigh impossible to find decent, replacement-level AAA players in a mere 3 1/2 years on the job. Patience.
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by royalsroyalsroyals on Sep 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good, more bad in this article
I liked the comment about not having enough resources in AA and AAA. It would have been better if he mentioned why (15 years of neglect by the owner prior to him changing his ways a couple of years ago). That’s the closest I’ve heard him come to stating the obvious – Glass screwed up this organization but good, and it will take more time than anyone is willing to admit to turn it around.
What I didn’t like:
He could have accepted some blame for assembling the bullpen that can’t be managed.
Saying injuries made a huge difference is really not accurate. Now, if he wants to argue it turned a 70-75 win team into a 60 – 65 win team – OK. But not acknowledging that the 18-11 start was not indicitive of true ability is disingenuis.
Worst offense, IMHO – throwing Billy Butler under the bus for not turning 3-6-3 DPs better. By all accounts, Billy worked hard and did everything he was asked to do to improve. More importantly, Billy SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEARNING THIS SKILL IN THE MINORS! This organization wasted his defensive development by having him briefly play third, then tried him as an OUTFIELDER. Are you kidding me? Nobody could take a look at his body type, speed, etc., remember the size of Kaufmann’s outfield, and decide back in 2003 that we need to move this kid to first base RIGHT NOW? In addition, if this was such a concern, WHY TRADE FOR JACOBS? Just move Billy to DH and be done with it.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Sep 4, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I also like the fact that
he is acknowledging significant changes to the roster, which I think is obviously needed. What I am really interested in finding out is what types of players he brings in. I really need to see some better judgment from him in finding better defenders and/or better OBP guys. I actually think Coco was a good move but the rest pretty much sucked.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is what people mean by Moore's failure to truly take responsibility
he seems to think that Jacobs, Guillen, Bloomquist, Farnsworth, HoRam, Betancourt, Mahay etc. sucking was just bad luck (underperforming) when pretty much everyone outside of the Royals front office saw it coming.
So maybe the issue isn’t so much that he dodged real responsibilty, and simply that he’s a moron.
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by devil_fingers on Sep 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere...
(and I really want to believe its true, but have my doubts) that Glass may have forced Moore’s hand into winning now to support “The New K.” Of course this argument was pretty much invalidated by the trade for Betancourt.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want someone in the org. to break out with the "They made us..." excuse
It would allow me to use one of my favorite quotes:
Homer: Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night! They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!
Marge: Homer, watch your mouth!
Homer: Oh, I Gotta go. My damn wiener kids are listening.
Lisa: We are not wieners!
Homer: Then what are you dressed like that for?
Bart and Lisa: They made us.
Homer: (Mocking) Oh, they made us! (Stern) That’s loser talk! You gotta start acting more like me and my team! The future league champions of the world! Nothing’s gonna stop us now!
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Sep 4, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glass very much insists on a win-now approach
only I don’t think it’s just because of the stadium – it’s just his way and it will doom us eternally. This has been the Royals approach for 15 years – the same 15 years that we steadily slid into this gutter of despair – the same 15 years Glass has run the team. No coincidences here.
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by royalsroyalsroyals on Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point
And I think what he does this offseason will tell us a lot about his true feelings on the matter. If he keeps Jacobs/Olivo or brings in their clones, or makes more HoRam moves, then I would probably have to agree that it’s time to close the book on him.
I don’t think he’s a moron, but he did make some bad moves no doubt about it. On top of it some guys did have bad years like Cruz but most of this he should have been able to see coming.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is acknowledging significant changes to the roster
You know he said the same exact thing last year, right? Those changes to the roster were magnificent.
He can get 4, NOT 5.
by Warden11 on Sep 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for next year
after Moore brings in all his new players, the Royals won’t even be replacement level. Greinke will win 20 with 20 shutouts, and the Royals will lose 142.
by AxDxMx on Sep 4, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding not having enough resources at AA and AAA
Moore seems unwilling to accept that he is largely respsonsible for the fact that the AA and AAA teams lack many good prospects. Moore has been on the job three years. He spent most of his first year tradeing away veterans for prospects. He had the #2 overall draft pick in 2007 and the #3 overall draft pick in 2008. He can’t dump the AA and AAA rosters on Baird at this point.
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by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore is ridiculous
I used to be a big supporter of his but his idiotic trades, FAs and excuses are just too much
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Sep 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome article on RamRam
Its an insider article on ESPN, its just the basic story of impossible journey to dominant Reliver
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Moore have to make personal appearances?
At the game? At the Winter carnivals?
Just what are you people doing to voice your concern over your ballclub?
by oc on Sep 4, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mea culpa
I’m not smart enough, steadfast enough, or good enough to appreciate Dayton Moore. I hold myself accountable with regard to that.
Yet, there will come a day when we have a trade for a bad defensive player with a low OBP for a pitcher with upside — and we’ll tell the GM to go home. Just goodbye. We’re not there yet.
by 2X2L on Sep 4, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moore is backed into a corner...
He has to live with the choices he has made (the past few years) and realizes that a management change isn’t going to improve the outcome of those choices. Some would say he is just buying time for the inevitable (his firing or a complete teardown that he orchestrates). But, he seems arrogant enough to believe that next year will be a significant improvement and will buy him even more time.
He is right though, bad bullpens and injuries can absolutely devestate a talented team (see: 2008 Yankees, 2008/2009 Indians). You cannot predict a bullpen’s performance based on previous stats (see: 2008 Rays). So, even the most brilliant baseball GM’s kind of cobble together a bullpen through their prospects, washed up stars and trades. A patchwork that is akin to catching lightening in the bottle and goes a long way to determining whether you are a playoff team or a .500 team (or much worse).
So, maybe Ryan has the answer. You stretch out your starters (arguably your best pitchers) so you can minimize the exposure (and possible poor performances) that your bullpen may endure. The only other option you have is to do what the Indians did this season and cram a bunch of “high 90’s, two-pitch” arms in your minors and hope that a few shake out as relievers down the road.
by Toxicadam on Sep 4, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another favorite quote
And first let me say this article made my day. A gem in every paragraph.
“I just believe Trey is the right leader for our baseball team, and I’m not going to waver in that at all.”
My translation: “It’s true because I believe it and if I believe it then it will never stop being true.”
Great decisions are always made this way.
Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?
by royalsroyalsroyals on Sep 4, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Moore is right but he should shut up
Of course he’s right that the manager doesn’t matter if the players are terrible, but there’s no need to go on and on about how bad the players are.
Not to mention it makes DM look like an idiot for signing all those crappy players.
He should just say “We’re not playing well and I take responsibility for that. I think Hillman is the right manager for us and he’ll be here next year.” No need to show up your own players just to give Bob Dutton an article in the Star.
by hippdoghipp on Sep 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope the criticism of Butler isn't forshadowing
picking up a Gload-esque player to be the everyday 1B.
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Sep 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or converting Teahen to a firstbaseman like he has been jonesing to do for two years now. 2010 is a new year so Teahen needs to be moved to a new position. That seems to be the rule. With 3B, RF and 2B already taken the options are dwindling.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on Sep 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RELIEF PITCHER!
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Sep 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just EPIC, EPIC fail
This team is going to make a run at 120 losses next year, mark my word. DM is completely deluded and refuses to even admit his mistakes to himself. He really believes he is on the right track. Wow, In a way it is an interesting study of human behavior in a scientific/observational kind of way. I imagine this is what it was like in the White House in the spring and summer of 1974.
by Olentangy on Sep 4, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a better analogy is what happened at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln a couple of years ago
there were problems in the athletic department, but the chancellor either didn’t know about them, chose to ignore them, or something and extended AD Steve Peterson’s contract. Peterson then gave a public vote of confidence to head football coach Bill Callahan and a contract extension. This came crashing down soon after and the chancellor had to eat both salaries. Interestingly, Callahan began his precipitous downfall with the media and fans alike when he decided that they weren’t intelligent enough to understand what the team was trying to do. I can’t say for sure that anyone said “Trust the Process”, but something similar was surely said.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Sep 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hilarious! It’s a fucking joke! It’s not Trey’s fault or his fault whatsoever! That’s the kicker right there.
If you watch Rambo backwards, it's Sylvester Stallone healing people with his magic bullet vacuum.
by ratherfantastic on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs













