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Through the Ages, the Different Meanings of Being a Royals Fan

The Royals have had one of the easiest to define historical archs of any Major League baseball team. While nearly every team has its wide swaths of good and bad years, the Royals are an especially extreme case. From expansion birth through the late 1980s, the Royals were consistently very good and considered to be one of baseball's model franchises. After a short period of mediocrity, the bottom fell out by the mid-1990s and the Royals have never made it back. Good, then bad. That's basically the franchise history. The team hasn't even had a "near-miss" season, really, since the 1980s.

As such, there's a stark generational divide amongst Royals fans when it comes to their experiences. The scary thing is this: now we're into the second generation of Royal rooters who have never seen a truly good team.

Let's work our way from past to present.

Star-divide

  • Royals fans age 60 & up: The older members of this demographic (65 & up) may remember the old Kansas City Monarchs, who left town in 1955. The Kansas City A's are also more than a mere reference point for these fans. A sixty-year-old fan would have spent his late childhood and early teenage years, always ripe baseball years, with the A's still in town. Considering their experiences rooting for the A's (who were a consistently horrible team in KC), they may actually have the best perspective on the current struggles of the Royals. Good times come and go.
  • Royals fans around age 55: These guys should also still remember the A's and may have been invested enough in them to take their move to Oakland hard. The Monarchs however, were ancient history by the time they were old enough to pay attention.
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  • Royals fans around age 50: Born in 1959, a fifty-year-old Royals fan is part of the first generation of pure Royals fans. They may have had a parent or an older sibling who liked the A's, but they were ten when the Royals were born, so I suspect they would have bought in all the way. This is also the last group of fans that may remember the old Municipal Stadium, where the Royals played until 1972. 
  • Royals fans around age 45: Possibly the most spoiled Royals fans out there. Born in 1964, these lucky guys spent basically their entire youth enjoying good Royals teams. They were 11 in 1975, when the Royals finished second in the AL West, and in 1989, these guys were 25 and the Royals were still good. Probably a little more loyal to the late '70s teams, these guys might also be the most intense Yankee haters amongst us. Amazingly, these same fans could now easily have 20-year-old children who have no memories of good Royals teams. Insane.
  • Royals fans around age 40: Equally spoiled, as the Royals' run coincided with their 5-20 years. When these lucky ducks were watching the Royals in their late teens, they had essentially never followed a bad Royals team. Of course Bo Jackson, arguably the biggest sports star in the world for a brief period, was a Royal. That was perfectly normal. These are the youngest fans that have a vivid memory of the '70s teams.
  • Royals fans around age 35: Here we start to see another demographic shift. A fan born in 1974 was 11 in 1985, old enough to really get the significance, as well as a bit of the context (the decade long buildup) of the Royals winning the World Series. Anyone younger (while accounting for individual variation of course) and 1985 is a much hazier point, probably only understood later on. I may be wrong, but I see two camps amongst fans this age: half gave up on the Royals by the late 1990s, disgusted by the downfall of the team, while half were hooked enough by that touch of glory that they lived to become lifelong fans.
  • Royals fans around age 30: No matter what they might say, their memories of 1985 are pretty fuzzy. The kind of memories that you reinforce years later, through talking about them and patching together details from your parents. These fans grew up in a context still dripping in Royals glory, and as 9-10 year olds in 1989, Bo Jackson was pretty much the coolest person alive. These are also the youngest fans who should have solid memories of Brett as a player and of Saberhagen as a Royal. May have strong feelings towards Danny Tartabull and not quite understand why their older brother raved so much about Frank White.
  • Royals fans around 25: The sadness begins. Some members in this demographic may have a few scattered memories of George Brett as a player, and they certainly grew up with him as an established famous person on the playground, but Brett retired in 1993, when these guys were nine. Personally, my really good sports memories as a spectator and fan go back to about the age seven range, so we're definitely shaky here. Unless they were really really with it, no one under 23 has anything other than a postcard's memory of the Greatest Royal of All-Time. Twenty-five year old fans were vulnerable 10-year-olds during the strike year of 1994, and spent their preteen years in a stretch of real bitterness and negativity towards the game. As teenagers in the late 1990s, I'm not sure how many of these guys stuck with the Royals.
  • Royals fans 20 and under: Here's their Royals experience: the Royals have had one ok season and that's it. As ten-year-olds in 1999, they watched the Dye and Damon get traded away. They grew up with Tony Muser. They've listened to their Dad talk about the glory days, which can be a positive and negative in terms of making you actually care. They do not remember artificial turf at the K, and frankly find the entire concept pretty amazing. The Royals have been a punchline for essentially their entire lives.
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    Me? I'm 34.

    And you nailed it. My first memories of sports are the 80 Olympics hockey game and the 80 World Series. Learned how to read and do math reading the KC Times and Star, and figuring batting averages. If the Royals played a west coast game I’d be dying until I got home to read the Star (which was an afternoon paper) and could read the results, check Brett’s average, Sabes’s ERA.

    And I spent last week in Denver and it was heartbreaking. The town there is all wrapped up in the pennant race. Every game is an event. They’re all talking about it. The enthusiasm is palpable. It’s easy to forget how great baseball is when your team is actually competitive. To think that an entire generation of Royals fans has never experienced a pennant race is terribly depressing.

    How is it that we’re still fans of this team when we’ve been deprived of the best thing about fandom for so long? Ugh.

    by billexgordler on Sep 9, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

    afternoon papers...

    wow…

    yea, I remember the west coast games as a kid: it was like they were taking place on a different planet

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I think that 2003 qualifies

    as a “near-miss” season.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Sep 9, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

    It was a bigger miss than a "near" one

    They started out really well and coasted the rest of the way. While a good finish would have put them in the playoffs, they barely ended up over .500. In fact, if you take away the fast start, the Royals played below .500 from that point on.

    by AxDxMx on Sep 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

    it was certainly a fun enough season that it probably got people hooked

    like me

    still, when you look back on it: that still wasn’t a very good team, they had everything go right, and they won 83 games in a TERRIBLE division

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Still...

    they finished less than 10 games out of first. I think that’s “near.”

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Sep 9, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I suppose

    But really, did you feel like they still had a chance in August? Once they started fading, I knew they’d never come back. I guess I just felt like it was all a mirage to begin with. Should have kept that gut feeling for the next season, instead I thought they were WS bound with the addition of Juan Gonzalez!

    by AxDxMx on Sep 9, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I had hope

    all the way until they were mathematically eliminated, which wasn’t until the final week of the season.

    Hence, “near” miss.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Sep 9, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'll give it to you, but

    being 6 games out going into the final week is kind of borderline, unless you are the Rockies.

    by AxDxMx on Sep 10, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Three of those games

    were against a team that was homing in on the 1962 Mets’ futility record, so hope seemed very much alive.

    Somehow, we got swept by them, saving the 2003 Tigers from immortal infamy. Sure, it’s still an AL record, but they didn’t supplant the Mets as the epitome of loser-hood.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Sep 10, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    2003 was a tank job

    it was unofficially over when Pena put Graeme Lloyd into a game in the 3rd inning when Appier went down.

    The best pitcher for 45 days was Jose Lima, it was a bizarre team that managed to stay in the race until September despite injury after injury

    Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

    by BHWick on Sep 11, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm 22

    And I’ve gotten so used to the jokes about liking a Minor League team that it’s kind of sad. It makes you wonder why people my age are still fans. Guess that makes us either really loyal or really stupid.

    by Bryan Ashlock on Sep 9, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

    are you a hardcore baseball guy?

    I would think the younger fans would almost all have to be…

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm 27 and it's weird for me.

    I’m a baseball fan, but far from being hardcore…it’s a distant second behind basketball. Yet for some reason, the Royals roped me in at a young age and I haven’t been able to escape.

    It could just be from attending a fair amount of games as a kid, whereas I didn’t have that opportunity with pro basketball.

    Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.

    by Rowyal on Sep 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yep, just about right

    i’m 33 and remember us winning it in 85 when I was a 4th grader. I don’t remember 80 at all, and I think my first baseball memories were in 82 when I started collecting baseball cards. I probably destroyed 25 Cal Ripken rookie cards. I remember the guys right before 85, like Aikens and AO, a little bit. I know I took 85 for granted at the time. I thought we would always be good. My favorite teams were the ones in the late 80’s because that;s when I was 11-14 years old and had to watch or hear every game. This is probably why Seitzer, Macfarlane, Stillwell, Tartabull, and others like that were my favorite players.

    by Matty486 on Sep 9, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 44

    Close enough to 45 to fit that category, and it you are exactly right. I became a Royals fan in 1976, at age 11, when I attended my first ever MLB game during a family trip to KC. I assumed that it was perfectly normal and expected for your favorite team to be in contention every year and to make the playoffs most years. And I was in college in 85, watchign the WS games in a bar and never dreaming that it would be decades before another playoff appearance.

    Meanwhile, my teenage kids know the Royals only as a national joke. When I talk about the great teams of the 70s and 80s they look at me like I’m talking about Ty Cobb and Cy Young.

    by Black and Gold on Sep 9, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

    Ah, memories

    At 38 (a little younger than the 45 crowd), I remember hating those Yankees so, so very much. My family moved from Queens—why weren’t they Mets fans?—to St. Joe when I was two, so the Yankees were always my older sister’s team and the Royals became mine in 1976 at the age of 5. You could even get T-shirts that said “Yankees Go Home” at Penneys at that time. ‘76-’78 remain a little fuzzy—I remember Chambliss, but the rest is vague. My first in person game was in ’79 and I more solidly remember losing the division to California that year, but 1980 was when I was hooked for life. Brett chasing .400 was the best (I got my parents to buy like 3 or 4 of the year end magazines with “Sportsman of the Year” Brett on the cover). The playoffs rocked: our 4th grade teacher even brought a radio into the classroom during the day games in KC that series so we could listen. And the homer in game 3 at NY while I was running around the house yelling “Cook the Goose!” (yes, I was just that clever) and watching my sister in unbelief because the Royals finally beat the Yankees was probably the greatest moment of my young life.

    If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."

    by CentralChamps2009 on Sep 9, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 31

    My parents sent me to bed during game 7 when I was in 2nd grade – I’ve never forgiven them for that. I listened to the rest of the game on my radio.

    If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably propaganda.

    by labbadabba on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 26

    And it’s been painful…

    Another awesome post RR. You consistently write excellent posts. Your writing is WAY better than anything on the Chiefs’ SB Nation site (although Arrowhead Pride is pretty decent for links and stuff). Keep up the great work!

    by hilladay on Sep 9, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

    26... yea

    so do you have any legitimate Brett memories?

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

    27

    Definitely have some Brett memories, including going to his last home game.

    Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.

    by Rowyal on Sep 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that makes me feel good

    I still think the Brett cutoff is now somewhere around 25, but maybe I’m being too pessimistic

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Have a few memories of Brett

    But they’re limited. I completely missed his glory years. :(

    by hilladay on Sep 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm 21

    I remember the excitement of the 2003 season. Well, it was exciting for me. And that was it. Couple that with living in St. Louis, and it’s been a hard time to be a Royals fan.

    by NotAHippie on Sep 9, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

    btw...

    when did the Negro Leagues Museum open?

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

    Lucky Me

    Yeah, born in 1964 and can remember the late 70’s and early 80’s like yesterday. Cannot count the hours I spent listening to the Royals on radio and living from pitch to pitch. To this day, still would prefer to listen to a Royals game on the radio over watching a game on television. Too this day would say the 1977 team was probably the best the Royals have ever fielded. P.S. The Chris Chambliss home run still hurts to think about.

    by kcfan4ever64 on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

    a best royals team ever would be a great topic...

    i love baseball on the radio… great to have on when you’re doing other things

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The Perfect Soundtrack

    To a lazy summer day in the yard. I’ll even listen to the national games on ESPN if nothing else is going on.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    exactly the same as me
    Born in 1964, these lucky guys

    I’m one of these “lucky” guys. Yes, agree lucky to see and rejoice in the glory years. But, also not so lucky by having grown up with that and become accustomed to the Royals being the class of the Western Division. I never thought it would come crashing down as it did and to last this many years in the wilderness. I’m freaking sick of it.

    Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

    by kabrink on Sep 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    1977 ALCS

    It had the wrong ending but if watching Game 5 did not make you a baseball fan, nothing will.

    by Gopherballs on Sep 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

    1976

    If your thinking about that Chambliss home run, that happened in 1976.

    by kcfan4ever64 on Sep 9, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    No, 1977

    The Royals are three outs from the Series. The Royals led 3-1 most of the game, but the game tightened in the 8th when the Yankees finally score again and chase Splittorff, but the Royals get out of a two on, one out jam when Minjori somehow retires Nettles and Chambliss. The Royals lead 3-2 entering the 9th, but the Royals fall apart and give up three ones (one on Brett’s error), and lose 5-3. Then George Brett cried.

    by Gopherballs on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That One Hurt

    Way more than the Chambliss shot, like pulling off a bandadge slowly instead of just ripping it off.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Patek

    That was Freddie Patek who was crying alone in the dugout after Game 5 of the 1977 ALCS.

    by RoyalsFan on Sep 9, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Patek

    I will never forget seeing that picture in the paper the next day. It is one of my most vivid memories of those years. I was 8.

    by RoyalsForever on Sep 9, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Chambliss' HR

    I remember watching that in my basement when I was 6 years old. Cried my eyes out, and couldn’t believe that a crowd could run onto a baseball field without being arrested.

    by RoyalsFan on Sep 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    its weird when you watch games from the 1970s...

    people running on the field/court was completely out of control

    we’re talking completely full of people within 5 seconds of the last play… maybe it was an anti-authoritarian thing or something

    weird trend that thankfully seems to be a thing of the past. (other than in tennis)

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    1970s rushing the field

    Yeah…after Game 6 of the 1975 Series (Fisk’s HR)……after Aaron’s 715th HR in 1974 (when security was probably tighter than at any baseball game in history up to that point)…..after Game 6 of 1977 W.S. in New York.

    by RoyalsFan on Sep 9, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    (And U.S. Cellular Field)

    Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.

    by Rowyal on Sep 10, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm 35

    So can remember ’85 pretty clearly. Although back then, it was more of a casual interest. I was still your typical Canadian preteen Hockey nut. And the Flames were really good around then too. But my dad (a Kansas Citian, who married my Canadian mother) was doing a pretty good job of converting me into a baseball fan, and I was pretty excited when we won it all in ’85.

    by kcbottom9th on Sep 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

    Thanks RR, if I ever want to feel really old

    (older then Bubbyball, that is) all I have to do is sign on to this site. I remember my brother talking about this really good young hitter for the A’s. We both would lay on the linoleum floor in our bedroom and he would read and explain the sports pages to me. He was ecstatic when the A’s traded that young superstar to the Yankees. Yes folks, you want to talk about bad trades. The A’s traded away Roger Maris for three has beens worse then our modern day hero, Willie Bloomquist. That was my induction into being an A’s fan. I always liked the total opposite of my brother. If he liked the Yankees, I hated them. If he laughed at the A’s, I stuck up for them. So, that is how I became a long long suffering A’s, now Royals fan. You know Dancing Dayton’s trades don’t look so bad in comparison to to the Roger Maris trade. After so many decades of losing seasons one would think that I would have developed a thick rhino like skin to their failures. But, then they come along and put together one winning season and the hope springs eternal again. I have tried to leave but that would only last maybe a half of a season at the longest. During that time I would still follow them from the safety of the sportspages. Somehow the losing doesn’t feel so bad if you can wad up the paper and throw it against the wall. Oh well, only 24 games left and we have an outside chance not to lose 100 games this season.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

    did you grow up in KC?

    I ask because I wonder if there were A’s fans outside of town.

    There were some bad trades back in the day, especially when you consider the number of horrible owners and completely non-competitive teams.

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The A's Were

    The first MLB franchise west of St. Louis, arriving in KC 3 years before the two NYC stepchildren fled to Cali. I’m sure this would have been one reason people outside the KC area adopted them.

    I posted a piece on the ‘64 A’s a year or 2 ago, the climax of which was the horrible trade that sent Rocky Colavito back to Cleveland in return for Mike Hershberger, Jim Landis and Fred Talbot. It crushed my 9 year old baseball soul. They proceeded to play Landis, Hershberger and a 23 year old Tommie Reynolds as the starting OF in ‘65; they made DDJ, Anderson and Maier look like world beaters. Talbot was an OK back of the rotation guy, and that staff featured the debut of a 19 year old Catfish Hunter, but they fell one win short of 60. Incredibly, that was a 2 game improvement over ’64, but it didn’t feel that way to me.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This franchise has been making horrendous trades from day 1.

    I forgot that Rocky was an A. One of my favorite players.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I grew up in North Central Iowa.

    We got some of the A’s games on the Shenandoah radio station. There was no televised games back then by our small local station. That is where the Everly Brothers got their start.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Great post RR

    And you are older than me Grudz96. However, my route to the Royals is somewhat different because I grew up on the East Coast (Mets fan) and didn’t become a Royals fan until 1976 when I moved to Lawrence for graduate school. My timing could hardly have been better. I have always been a Yankees hater and it seemed natural to root for the Royals, especially during that time. I have stuck with them ever since (even with a 4 year sojourn to Gainesville, FL). I watched the infamous game #6 of the ‘85 World Series in a hotel room with a grad school buddy who at the time was teaching at WashU in St. Louis. Somehow a whole bottle of single malt scotch disappeared that night…
    Now I am back in the Midwest and still a fan. This site is responsible for that in a large way. I don’t know if I should praise you or despise you, Will.

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Sep 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

    I think you have a fake birth certificate like the Cuban ballplayers.

    Despise Will, I think that ranks right up there with cardinal sins.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    of course, I don't despise you personally Will

    just what you might have done to me (similar to hate the sin, not the sinner).

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Sep 9, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Great Post

    I’m 26 and vaguely remember the George Brett era. I remember him getting his 3,000th hit and calling in to a number that was in the KC Star to hear the radio call on that hit. I just missed out on the good stuff. I moved to KC when I was six and I’ve been in the area ever since. It just never made any sense to root for anyone else (although I was born in MN, my dad grew up in MN, and we certainly cheered for the Twins in the Puckett/Hrbek days).

    The strike really pushed me away from baseball and I really didn’t pay much attention to it for a while. Eventually I started going to the K again w/ friends just for something to do, and that seemed to grow into doomed Royals fanhood.

    by Teabags on Sep 9, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

    nice

    someone’s earlier comment got methinking about all the phone-in services that newspapers used to do: movie times, weather, sports scores, etc.

    I used to call these things for sports scores all the time on summer afternoons when i was bored as hell

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I actually won something on one of the

    local TV shows. Every Saturday night they would run a horror movie from midnight on. If you were the 10th caller you won a free gift. I think my poster was of Mothfra attacking Godzilla, or something of that ilk.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I notice this at games.

    I consider myself a diehard and a baseball fan, so I get pretty annoyed at The K with all the hot dog races, mini-hot dog races, dance cam, etc., and I really don’t like being told to “Get Loud!” before a big at bat whatever. I find all that a bit pathetic.

    Hell, our own team advertises “You’ll never be stuck in your seat, that’s for sure” as a reason to attend a Royals game. Yikes.

    But hey, no one under 35 has seen meaningful baseball here, so few people really get into the games. The game experience on the other side of the state is what baseball is supposed to be. People here never get to experience it. Sad.

    by hippdoghipp on Sep 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

    Royals fans haven't earned a good team

    Cardinals fans have, because they know how to cheer.

    by NotAHippie on Sep 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Cardinal fans deserve a few 100-loss seasons

    Then see if they draw 3 million into their ugly stadium.

    by jbrocato on Sep 9, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Exactly

    I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. It’s easy to root for a good team. So very easy.

    by NotAHippie on Sep 9, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It seems

    They slowed down on that during the winning April/May. maybe it was my imagination.

    by StillTrueBlue on Sep 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    39

    That puts me in the 40ish group. I think this group also hates the Yanks about as much as the 45 year olds. I still remember losing in the playoffs to them 3 years in a row. After the third time (1978), a buddy and I got together and completely trashed our Yankees baseball cards. Ripped up. Shredded. Destroyed. Blown up with left over fireworks.

    And yes, I was the older brother that raved about Frank White.

    Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

    by aHorseWithNoName on Sep 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

    As I Said

    Randomly in yesterday’s game thread, either Mazeroski doesn’t belong in the HOF of Frank does.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Mazeroski

    Never saw him play so I can’t really say if he belongs or not. His numbers and Frank’s ARE very similar. Personally, I think Maz got extra HOF credit for his WS winning walk off HR against the Yanks, and Frank’s achievements are undervalued. Wasn’t Maz a veteran’s committee election?

    Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

    by aHorseWithNoName on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yep; 2001

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    love it
    After the third time (1978), a buddy and I got together and completely trashed our Yankees baseball cards. Ripped up. Shredded. Destroyed. Blown up with left over fireworks.

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    19

    I think I got stuck in the worst years to be a Royals’ fan… growing up through the terrible front office management (and still quite terrible, in my opinion). I’m definitely a die-hard Royals’ fan, but seeing Damon, Dye, Ibanez, Beltran, Randa, and Cone traded away, I almost lost faith. Hopefully we get some semblance of a team in my lifetime..

    by KCDom on Sep 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 43, became a fan in '75

    So those description are pretty accurate.

    And not only does the Chambliss HR still hurt, but I’m still pissed at Whitey for bringing in Doug Bird to face Munson in ’78.

    by Siberian Khatru on Sep 9, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

    23

    bah

    Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

    by BHWick on Sep 9, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

    31

    1985, Nevada, MO – I was in first grade and all I remember (aside from KC winning it all) was riding on a school bus with one half of the bus chanting “Royals, Royals!” with the other side screaming “Cardinals!” I will never forget that…

    I ALWAYS had to wear #20 on my little league team (as well as play 2nd base for the most part)

    by XBic on Sep 9, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 27

    Also from Nevada, though I didn’t really follow the Royals until I moved to KC in 2001. I guess I fall more into the under 20 fan type despite my age. Actually as a kid I like the Twins because I was a twin and Kirby Puckett. I do remember there being lots of Cardinals fans in Nevada despite being on the West side of the state.

    by Benny1982 on Sep 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Almost 50

    I am a lifelong Alaskan but since my mom is from KC I became a Royals fan in the early 70s, back in the days of Feddie Patek and Doug Drabek. I was in Tokyo on leave spending time with my wife-to-be in 85 and I was in 7th heaven as the George Brett led Royals won the World Series. Haven’t been very interested in baseball since 94 but maybe my work schedule will slow down a bit in the years to come and I will have more time to enjoy the games and stats again.

    I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

    by Arctic Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

    I Don't Recall

    Seeing you here before; welcome. I’m in Nikiski.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Glad to be here

    I am in Anchorage by way of Homer.

    I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

    by Arctic Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Doug Drabek wasn't a Royal

    Maybe you mean Doug Bird?

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Sep 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thanks for the correction, my memory of Royals from "back in the day" must be uber fuzzy

    I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

    by Arctic Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Glad to be here. BTW, I really like the color scheme on this blog.

    I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

    by Arctic Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OMG, 2 count them two, Royal fans in Alaska.

    I guess I have to take back all the strange things that I have said about Phil over the years.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Truth Is Stranger

    Than fiction, and that goes double up here.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, I used strange as a nicer term.

    WE have a new member to the AARP Group….see Gus Z.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He Tipped His

    Hand early on; I vaguely remembered his namesake from my baseball card collection.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zernigu01.shtml

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    first Grass Creek, now Alsaka

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Sep 9, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Take Alaska!!! Then attack Grass Creek from the North West!!

    They’d never see it coming!!!!!!!!!!!

    NCAA Football; better than everything. That is an understatement.

    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 9, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yep

    A new western front.

    Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

    by kabrink on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hasn't history taught us enough about trying to fight a two-front war?

    I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

    by Warden11 on Sep 10, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

    You're thinking of the wrong two fronts, or the wrong side, because that's exactly the reason

    Grass Creek would fall. The 2 fronts only suck when you are divided to opposite sides, or 2 completely separate places.

    by AxDxMx on Sep 10, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

    So more of a flanking maneuver?

    Brillliant!

    I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

    by Warden11 on Sep 10, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    as long as our

    Eastern front (for Germany) is actually heading in the direction of warmer conditions ie sweeping down from the North, I see no reason why “The Machine” (The Process) should have any problem.

    We are actually meeting in the middle, in esense squeezing the opotition in like a vice.
     A really big Miami Vice!!!

    Furthermore we are traveling away from Russia, that was the problem.

    NCAA Football; better than everything. That is an understatement.

    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Sep 10, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    the Great Pincer Ploy

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Sep 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    My Dad

    said he was a Cardnals fan till the Royals came to town. The Royals are still his team.

    by StillTrueBlue on Sep 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

    I Liked The

    60’s Cardinals. They were good.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm the weirdest of all things -

    Oops, that didn’t work. Sounds like a good slogan for Jim Morrison or Marilyn Manson, though.

    I’m a post-glory-hunter Royals fan. I’m 43, and my dad got transferred around the country when I was a kid. I became baseball-conscious very young, when my folks lived in Cincinnati. We went to Game 2 of the 1970 World Series when I was 5.

    I stayed a Reds fan through a couple of moves until all the players I knew and loved – Bench, Perez, Rose, Concepcion, Morgan, Griffey, etc. got old and retired and I couldn’t get interested in the new guys. When we washed up in KC in ´82 I didn’t know much about the Royals but Brett, but I became a fan of first the pitching staff and then the team as a whole. I officially transferred loyalties in about ´84.

    I figured I’d signed on to a competent, scrappy hometown team with some appealing players, like White and McRae, that would win a few more games than it lost, and I wasn’t expecting 1985 in the slightest. Then there were a few respectable years, and then it went all to hell, but I stuck with the Royals anyway, though I haven’t lived full-time in Kansas since 1994.

    All I can say is that I’m just glad my dad didn’t get transferred to Boston, or God knows what I’d be now.

    It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

    by Juancho on Sep 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

    you know

    I seem to recall a book about the 1970s Reds that’s about to come out, can’t remember the fella who is writing it though…

    by Freneau on Sep 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, I'll read it

    when it comes out in paperback. That fella’s a pretty good writer.

    It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

    by Juancho on Sep 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Bench, I think, was the last of the old Reds

    to stick around. I remember he was quoted as saying in about ’81, “Yeah, we got a great outfield this year, a rookie, a convict, and a fag.” (Paul Householder, Cesar Cedeño, and Clint Hurdle, respectively)

    It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

    by Juancho on Sep 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I Thought Clint

    Was a shoplifter.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I am 36 and he described me perfectly.

    I have vague memories of the 1978 playoffs. But, in 1979, I went to my first Royals game and was hooked. I was in mourning for the 1980 Royals (I never did like Tug McGraw after that) but was actually at Game 7 of the 1985 World Series. No matter how awful the last 15 years have been, it can’t cancel out those early years. I am a Royals fan for life whether I like it or not…and most often these days I don’t.

    "If a tie is like kissing your sister, then losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." -- George Brett

    by u l washington's toothpick on Sep 9, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

    nailed it

    i’m 23 (about to be 24). i remember Brett’s old days, mostly playing as a DH and a 1b every now and then. he was still some kind of god in KC, and i remember bo jackson, though mostly people just talking about him. the strike soured me a little, but it was the yankees resurgence and the spending of the late 1990s and early 2000s that made me bitter about the game. to be honest, the Royals never have a chance until a cap or better media-based revenue sharing is in place. until then, the occasional division win or wild card may be possible, but not the world series. steroids have not had an effect on my fandom of baseball, though my formative years of being a fan were mostly tainted. i, to this day, am probably the biggest Barry Bonds fan left, especially outside of San Francisco.

    Farnsworth's imitation tight-pants now on sale at Dick's!

    by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Sep 9, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

    25 and accurate

    vague memories of Brett, saw him play a few times, but he was not one of the better players on the team when I became cognizant. Mediocre is the perfect word for the early 90s Royals, but back then it seemed so much worse. The strike didn’t faze me at all, I have been hardcore into baseball my whole life. In fact, 1994 was around the time when I was into sending cards to players in the mail for signatures, and in each one I sent in August and September I would plead with them to do something to end the strike. August 12 has been burned into my memory ever since then, it was one of the more traumatic events of my young life to that point.

    by SSmanque on Sep 9, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 64

    I remember the Blues, not the Monarchs from my early childhood; then the excitement of getting a team; then they left for Oakland the same year I left for nearby Stanford Law! But I became a Royals fan, not an A’s fan.

    What most bugs me is look at 2003: it looked like we were a team on the way up; and Detroit was beyond sucking (isn’t that the year their record was terrible). Now look who’s in first place. Why couldn’t that be the Royals.

    My biggest memory as a kid was one year the always last place Royals won 11 in a row mid season and actually almost looked like a contender; but then the Yankees came into town and blew them away, that was the end.

    by Gus Zernial on Sep 9, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

    Hallujah.... welcome aboard....

    You have just replaced me as the granddad of the site. Welcome to the AARP section of this blog. Buddyball, Phil of the North, Hometown, and I are members. You will be getting your special card soon that will give you a discount for earlybird posts on this sight. I too did not remain an A’s fan when they moved to Oakland. Big smile on my face right now.

    by grudz96 on Sep 9, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    don't forget Steve Hovely

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Sep 9, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    33 and love the royals..

    FML.

    where's ross gload to explode the process?

    by blue bandwagon on Sep 9, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

    i'll be 21 this weekend

    thankfully I live in nashville most of the year and have only become really serious about the royals in the last few years. lets see… constantly mocked for being a royals fan? check. stuck listening to my dad long for the 80s? check.

    we had artificial turf?

    at this point, i’m hoping to see a successful team (or even a team that just avoids underacheiving) sometime while i’m still alive and young enough to give a shit about what’s happening. my dad definitely does not care anymore. it’s tragic.

    by kevinf on Sep 9, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

    43 and Horny, looking for sex kitten to share Oct nights at the Ballpark.....

    Spoiled? How about cursed….to have the deliciousness of post season play…nay, post season success, dangled in front of you as a more or less sure thing, and then have it cruelly and possibly forever taken away again before you even finish college? Better to have loved and lost then never loved at all? Bullshit. At least you youngins don’t really know what you are missing. As far as loyalty, I’d say just about every clown posting on here deserves high marks. Lets face it, its September, the Royals had their hopes crushed back in June, and we’re all here still talking about the team we love, for better or for much worse I guess. You don’t pick your teams, they pick you. Chris Chambliss hit that homer in ‘76 when I was a 4th grader…..I swear I saw Freddie Patek bawling in the dugout, I’ve been a Royals fan ever since.

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

    yes, excellent post!

    I’m a clown still posting on here – although I’ve been much more scarce since the Chiefs started camp.

    I feel like I have to offer one correction. The Royals had their hopes crushed back in April as soon as Farnsworth pitched one or two.

    Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

    by kabrink on Sep 9, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thome.....Brilliant, Trey

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm 18.

    The first few players I remember from my childhood are Tim Belcher, Chris Haney, and Mike Macfarlane. I did not fully grasp the concept of budget limitations when Johnny Damon was traded away.

    Pecota, watch over us.

    by castille on Sep 10, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

    Nailed it

    I’m 28, I remember 85 clearly (I think, but maybe RR is right) and saw Bo and Brett play a ton. I wish I still had that “three silver bats in three decades” poster… I just moved 25 miles from the stadium in June and I’m kinda glad I held off on those season tickets. I’ll probably get all hot and bothered in April and buy some though…. Man, just one year it’d be nice to play into October. You know, so I could make fun of other teams that didn’t. Please…

    "red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp

    by grantfunk on Sep 10, 2009 1:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

    I have the silver bat keychain they gave away from his Royals HOF induction in 1999

    As a bonus, somehow my dad was throwing out the first pitch that day. He got some great pictures from the waiting area at the side of the field.

    As a sidenote, RR has you pegged, there’s no way you can remember ‘85. You were 4. That’s pretty young to remember October of 1985 “clearly”.

    I moved to Missouri in 1986 at the age of 6 and missed the World Series win in ‘85. In fact, I don’t remember any specific MLB baseball until the Twins-Cardinals WS in 1987. Best I remember of the Royals is listening on the radio at night in the late 80’s. Those teams weren’t horrible and still had some pretty good players. Unfortunately, the talent level kept going down just a little bit, so by the time I realized the team was horrible it was too late. I was a fan for life.

    by AxDxMx on Sep 10, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I think the 1989 team won more games than 1985

    Unfortunately, Oakland was dominant and there was no wild card.

    by jbrocato on Sep 10, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Without looking...

    I remember it being really unfair that the Royals would miss the playoffs and had a better record than at least one of the playoff bound teams.

    And now looking, it was unfair. The Royals had tied for the 3rd best record in all of baseball. Damn that old system!

    by AxDxMx on Sep 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I was there on the silver keychain day as well,

    senior in high school and shitfaced.

    I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

    by Warden11 on Sep 10, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm not saying

    I remember pitches, but I remember listening to the cardinals call (I hate that drunk ass) with my parents, dad cheering for the cards, mom cheering for whoever was down (she’s into under dogs) and me beaming with my less than complete understanding and love of loud noises.

    "red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp

    by grantfunk on Sep 10, 2009 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Ah....

    I suppose I have some memories like that from that time as well. The family event is probably what made it memorable. :)

    by AxDxMx on Sep 11, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    45 here

    I grew up in Miami when there was no pro ball there. The Marlins didn’t start until ‘93 I think. I was long gone by then. In "93, I was in Germany playing with tanks. Anyway, I grew up more as a football fan, than a baseball fan. My dad had spent time in Baltimore after med school and was an Oriole’s fan and he would listen to a game from time to time on the radio on the weekend if we could get it.

    I grew up actually in the Keys, Islamorada to be exact, and about a half mile from where Ted Williams retired to after baseball. He and my dad would go fly fishing most weekends. I have memories of Ted when I was about 6 or 7, and he was a huge hulking man, very loud, very boisterous. To a small 7 year old, he was flat out scary. I can actually remember shaking hands with him and seeing my tiny hand disappear in his, and being scared of that. I guess my first team was the red sox because of him. I didn’t pay close attention to them or any other team because I liked football.

    I joined the Army in ‘88, served 8 years, met my ex wife in Tacoma Wash, near Ft Lewis, and she was born and raised in Topeka. We decided to move to Topeka in ’96, and I’ve been here ever since. I started following the Royals loosely at first, then after ‘03, I became more interested. I do remember wondering what the hell owners were thinking when they traded away Beltran. He was sooooooo good, and they needed him. That pissed me off. I think that was when I got hooked. I’ve been keeping track since. Went to my first games this season.

    Oh yeah, I’m part of the generation that doesn’t need a reason to hate the Yankees, I just do. I hated the Yankees when I didn’t care about baseball.

    Superstitious? I'm not superstitious
    *spins Frank White bobblehead conterclockwise three times

    by topekaroyal on Sep 10, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

    I lived In

    Topeka from ‘69 to ’77; nice town in a lot of ways, but I wouldn’t go back. This is coming from a guy who has lived in Nikiski, AK for 30 years, for what that’s worth. Fuck the Yankees, Cowboys, Duke and Notre Dame.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Sep 10, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    By the way RR, where is the game thread...

    It is the Italian Stallion starting for the Royals. He is going to kick butt.

    by grudz96 on Sep 10, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

    21

    The stars of my youth: Chili Davis, Jeff King, Gary Gaetti

    I have no idea why I still follow this team

    by gilmeche55 on Sep 10, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

    Im 27...

    and I was only 4 when the Royals won the world Series, of course I don’t remember this season but one of my earliest memories was my dead screaming for joy jumping up and down watching our little black and white TV. I didn’t fully understand what had happened till years later. I guess I can’t say with out a doubt thats what was happening, but I grew up in Wyoming so I can’t imagine what else it could have been.

    As for me going to a Royals game was a major event and I remember George Brett, but by the time I saw him he was playing 1B and never understood how he was the greatest 3Bman of all time because he played 1B. I lived far enough away that I didn’t realize how bad the Royals had been getting, probably because I was mesmerized by the Bash Brothers when I was young. I didn’t become a Royals fan until after the strike, so I guess I fit in the fans 20 and under, and when the Royals had their 2003 season is really the first year that I became a die hard, and they have slowly been killing me ever since.

    Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures

    by averagegatsby on Sep 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

    As a 23 year old, let me note that

    the Royals would have went to the playoffs in 1994, and fuck Bud Selig and the owners for screwing us over right when we were due for a playoff run.

    And perhaps a 1994 pennant run provides needed funds to keep players like Cone, leading to us being a wildcard contender in 1995. And so on.

    The Strike was too much for me for a period of almost 4 years, and even after 1998, I really began to full-time fandom in 2003. (But I remember seeing Gamboa get attacked in 2002)

    Graduate with a B.S. from the Dayton Moore School of Stats Analysis

    by BHWick on Sep 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

    30 and Depressed

    The first series I actually got to watch was ’87. Thinking about that makes me want to strangle my parents; although perhaps it was best that the success I now yearn for was never realized at an early age.

    Saw a ton of Bo, though, and he was our last folk hero.

    by Old Man Duggan on Sep 12, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

    I'm 29 and you nailed it

    I wish I had better memories of 85, but I really don’t. I was 5, so I went to games and I liked the Royals but I had no sense of what the World Series meant. Bo Jackson was absolutely the coolest person on the face of the earth, I had a big collection of Bo cards. I remember a bunch of them were cheap off-brand cards, but I probably had 100+ capped with the “Breaker” card.

    The strike knocked me out for a while, till probably 2000 or so. Without all the memories of Bo and Brett, I don’t know if I would still be a Royals fan, but I’m glad I am and look forward to Grienke, Butler, and Soria leading the new young crop to glory.

    by TampaRoyal on Sep 16, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

    This guy nailed it!

    I see my Daddy in this article. He was blind, but listened to the A’s faithfully on our old white plastic kitchen radio. He passed away before the Royals came to town, and never had the thrill of rooting for a winner. I see myself and my three kids, 34, 31 and 25 in this great commentary, too. I took my two oldest kids to the Liberty Memorial for the 85 World Series celebration and that has stayed with them all these years. My oldest son always wore #5 in Little League, played 3rd base and regaled his little brother with tales of George Brett’s greatness, and both of my boys have always batted left and thrown right. My poor 13 year old grandson, a Royal’s fan because his Dad tells him faithfully about George Brett and the glory years, patiently and faithfully waits for the Royals to rise again.

    Better days, they are a coming!!! But boy this has been a tough year! Come on Royals!

    Randy L Vick
    Executive Police Advisor
    Int'l Police Coord. Board
    Jalalabad Road, Kabul, Afghanistan

    by Loyal Royal on Sep 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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