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Can Juan Cruz Bounce Back in 2010?

Heading into 2009, Juan Cruz was supposed to be the team's second best option out of the bullpen. Instead, amidst struggling to stay healthy, he turned in one of the worst seasons of his career.


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2009 - Juan Cruz 3-4 46 0 0 0 2 4 50.1 46 34 32 6 29 38 5.72 1.49


 So heading into 2010, where are we at with Juan Cruz?

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Items that may or not be relevant:

  • 2009 was Cruz's age-30 season.
  • In 2009 Cruz returned to the American League, which he had avoided since an inglorious season in Oakland in 2005.
  • Despite a good three year run with Arizona, teams were extremely hesitant to sign Cruz.

Each of these points are facile and purposefully misleading. Each of them simplfies and overstates. Look at the third point: we all thought that nobody signed Cruz because of the draft compensation penalty. Nevertheless, when you look at them together, it isn't hard to retrospectively see that Cruz would take a step back in 2009. Maybe that draft penalty was 80% of why everyone else shied away, but, relatedly, we can also see that that's only part of the story. Those other teams didn't think that Cruz was good enough to justify the price/penalty.

Looking closer at Cruz's 2009, we see that the advanced stats mostly reflect what the Murray Chass/Karl Ravech stats are saying: Cruz was simply worse in 2009. His BABIP and related numbers weren't noticeably out of line with what he'd posted before.

Cruz has always posted high walk totals, but during his good seasons he's been able to more than make up for that problem by striking everyone else out. In 2009, his K-rate collapsed.    

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So much for Dayton's "power arm" strategy for the 2009 bullpen.

It would be folly to bury a reliever because he had a down season. There's too much randomness inherent in their activity to do so. That being said, what stands out in the graph above is just how much Cruz's 2007-8 run was his true peak as a strikeout pitcher. I'm tempted to say that that stretch coincided with a real bottoming out of talent in the National League, as well as the late 20s period that we've generally associated with a baseball player's performance peak. Ok, I did say it.

Cruz has been a tantalizing player since his days with the Cubs and he's posted some truly insane numbers at the minor league level. However, for all that jangle, from 2001-2006 he was exactly a league average pitcher according to the problematic ERA+, a poor figure for a relief pitcher. Over those 402 Big League innings, Cruz struck out 8.4 men per 9 innings, but also walked 4.5, which is how he turned into a guy that three teams thought they could fix, and three teams thought they could do without.

In 2009, Cruz was even worse than his previously established level of mediocrity.

It would be easy to say, "RPs are volatile, Cruz is a decent bet to bounce back in 2010". Unfortunately, I don't know what he's going to bounce back to.

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Excellent analysis as always Will

Tell me again why you are in English and not say, finance?

by jsolo on Jan 17, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

To clarify - there's nothing negative about English

I thought about being an English lit major myself before switching from history to economics. However, usually those who are able to do heavy mathematical analysis choose something like finance, engineering, or stats because the paycheck is quite a bit bigger.

It’s an interesting anomaly – especially when you throw in the whole big time Royals fan thing to top it off. We need a Matt Klaassen analysis on this immediately!

by jsolo on Jan 17, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't He Have

An injury last year? He was very effective at first IIRC.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2010 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

strained shoulder

may have been part of the problem, may not have been

I’m not in a position to say

by Will McDonald on Jan 17, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

With Our Crack

Training staff his right arm may have been detached at some point.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

the other thing i noticed

on Pitch F/X Cruz threw way more changeups last year and less FBs than before

could be nothing, could be something

by Will McDonald on Jan 17, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

IIRC, He Was

Supposedly telegraphing the change, too. I blame Hooch.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

WRONG

it was Buck’s fault

So you know Cruz is gonna be lights-out in 2010

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Buck, Olivo

Remember how Olivo couldn’t hit anything offspeed? And how he carried that strategy with him from the batter’s box to the behind the plate?

I blame Olivo.

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Jan 18, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

doesn't matter if it was Buck or Olivo

we have Kendall now, baby!

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 18, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect a bounce-back season...

Possibly not to his ’08 level, but I have no doubt he will be a productive reliever out of our ’pen this year.

We didn’t see a great loss of “Stuff” *, as is evident by Pitch FX, which shows his average FB velocity was down .6 MPH on avg. from ’08…This was coupled with an average increase in his changeup of .8 MPH on average over the same time span…

When that data is coupled with the data provided in the post above by RR, I think you have a large piece of the puzzle…That is a One and a half MPH difference in his changup & his FB over those 2 years. ’08 – 11.6 MPH difference compared to ’09 – 10.2 difference. THat looks like small number, but it is a LARGE difference.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jan 17, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

so the changeup wasn't as slow?

I noticed too that the FB was still basically the same

by Will McDonald on Jan 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

The Changeup was thrown with greater velocity than it was in ’08 in AZ.

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jan 18, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I'm looking at the same stuff other people are

but if you look at his Plate Discipline numbers, one thing that stands out to me (and sorry if it’s already been mentioned) is that in 2009, no one was swinging at his pitches outside of the zone. With the Diamondbacks, his “O-Swing” percentage (pertentage of his pitches outside of the zone that he got opposing hitters to swing at) was about 25% in 2007, and 30% in 2008. Those were his two best recent seasons, FIP-wise and tRA-wise. In 2009, all those numbers were worse —tRA, FIP, and, of course, his O-Swing percentage was under 20%.

Hitters were also making better contact off of Cruz in general in 2009, all the way up to 78%, as opposed to 70% in 2007 and 66% in 2008.

I’m not Pitch f/x guru or scout, so I won’t lean too hard on it. We know that the AL is superior to the NL. The average hitter in the AL is less likely to be fooled by junk pitches. PItchers “stuff” rarely gets better with age, although the decline isn’t as steep for relievers.

Strictly from a statistical point of view, as has been discussed, Cruz is likely to “improve” next season simply because, as a reliever, we only got a small sample size of his talent. Then again, we always had those. It’s unlikely he’ll ever be as good again as he was for Arizona in 2007-2008, particuarly in the AL. CHONE sees him as about a 4.4 FIP reliever; Marcel is less forgiving — 4.57. Marcel sees him as basically replacement level, but, of coure, it’s a “baseline” system. CHONE likes him better, and like Kyle Farnsworth, while he’s not as useless as he may have seemed last season, Cruz (like Farnsworth) aren’t really guys you want to have as your “high leverage” guys — they’re middlemen. They’re worth running out there, and won’t kill you, but for a team in KC’s situation, both should be traded to the first genius GM who is willing to take on more than a pittance of their salary, and little should be demanded in return. The Royals have better (and cheaper) options already in Tejeda (if he’s in relief) and Rosa, and Davies (if he’s moved to the pen), Merkin Valdez, and Matt Herges are at least as good as either (and probably better), too.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2010 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

what a mess of writing that is

sorry

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

relievers are impossible to write about

but I get what you are saying

the real question is: what the hell was going on in 2007-8?

we need to sign whoever was catching for the d’backs those years

by Will McDonald on Jan 18, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

lots of juan pierre

andruw jones, garrett atkins, the padres…

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 18, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

it's all the parenthetical cruz/farnswoth mess that really sucked

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 18, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

I’ve always hated “pitch to contact”. I think that our offense and pitching “philosophies” have been backwards. Instead of “pitching to contact” and “swinging aggressively”, we need to “pitch aggressively” and “swing to contact.”

OK – maybe “swing to contact” sounds a little odd. How about “make contact…aggressively!” Either way, at least the emphasis would be on something that only MLB players should be able to do (i.e. make contact with MLB pitching). After all, even I can wave a bat around with bad intentions – that doesn’t mean that I’ll actually hit anything though (but stand back just to be safe)!

Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

by aHorseWithNoName on Jan 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I can hear Trey saying this
make contact…aggressively!

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 18, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what with our

new emphasis on OBP, I'm sure we will be walking agressively!

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid snark font

new emphasis <code> on OPB, I'm sure we will be walking aggressively!

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, ferget it

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What was his

“we didn’t impact the ball well” quote from this summer?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Most All Our

Releivers did so quite successfully.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

lol.

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by 306008 on Jan 18, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I am expecting a bounce back

to somewhere between his good seasons of 07-08 and his bad season of 09.

ERA somewhere between 3.75 and 4.25 sounds about right to me.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Jan 18, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Ditto.

Provided he’s healthy. – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Jan 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the big factor, which you sort of mention

is how much of his 2009 decline was age-related/AL-related (can’t fix), and how much was injury-related (can fix). if a shoulder strain was holding him back, then maybe he can bounce back, but if his arm is growing old, not so much.

Conversation b/t Special baseball operations consultant Zapp Brannigan and GM Dayton Moore: "...but paper covers rock and rock crushes scissors...we have a conundrum. Get me some paper, a rock, and some scissors."

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 18, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forger the Mac Magic factor

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 18, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Will, what's your own...

…answer to your question? Do you think he’ll bounce back to his 09, 07, or 06 numbers? Of course it’d be safe to say 06 because that represents something hear his average.

What of coaching? The real question seems to be whether McClure can harness his talent in way that approximates his Diamondback years. Perhaps the shoulder explains everything, but just turning 30 doesn’t magically explain such a steep drop off. – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Jan 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

no, he shouldn't have collapsed so much just by turning 30

I would definitely think he will be better than in 09, beyond that, I don’t know.

maybe mcclure can help him, but he really didn’t seem to help many guys last season

by Will McDonald on Jan 18, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

he needs to listen to the

arm whisperer

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jan 18, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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