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Was Hosmer really that bad in 2009?


A comment in one of the other threads challenged me to give some thought as to whether Hosmer was really as disappointing as he seemed to be last year.  Certainly, he did nothing close to "rake," which, based on the hype, we expected him to do.  However, maybe due to unfounded optimism, but I wanted to think that Hosmer's season was not the bust it seemed to be.  Admittedly, he was horrible in Wilmington, but I don't think that was entirely his fault.  First, the decision to bring him up to Wilmington was incredibly misguided (I'd like to think it was all part of Dayton's Lost Summer, but probably not)--he simply was not ready.  Couple that the fact that he only played less than 30 games with both the untreated astigmatism and, later, an apparent hand injury of some kind, and I think Wilmington was an aberration.  Thus, I think we should only look at his time in Burlington to get a real sense of what he did last year

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I also think part of the problem is that we tend to compare Hosmer to the college players we could have had, which is unfair to him.  Even as an "older" HS guy (19 all last season), he was still a high school draftee, and should be compared not with Smoak or Gordon Beckham, but with the other H.S. bats.  So, I picked some offensive stats to compare him to the other first round HS position player draftees to see how he faired with the most comparable players developmentally.  I picked something really old school (BB/K), kinda old school (isolated power) and stats I barely understand (wOBA--weighted on base percentage, and wRC+, which is supposed to park (and league?) adjust wOBA) to compare.  To be fair, I may be cherry picking these stats, and they do tend to lean on OBP more than other things.  With that said, here's the comparisons:

Hosmer (3) at class A (327 PA):  wOBA=.340, 44/68 BB/K, wRC+=108, ISO=.129
Tim Beckham (1) at class A (537 PA):  wOBA=.327 (with a far better BABIP, showing more luck), 34/116, wRC+=103, ISO=.114
Kyle Skipworth (6) at class A (286 PA): wOBA=.278, 18/91, wRC+=71, ISO .140
Aaron Hicks (14) at class A (297 PA): wOBA=.337, 40/55, wRC+=106, ISO=.131
Brett Lawrie (16) at class A (423): wOBA=.362, 41/70, wRC+=122, ISO=.180
Anthony Hewitt (24) at short-season A (NYP league): wOBA=.294, 9/77, wRC+84, ISO=.172

In comparison, I think Hosmer comes out looking as good as almost everyone else at his level.  Only one player completely outplayed him--Lawrie, who was promoted to AA by the end of the year and held his own for the couple of weeks he was there.  Other than that, Hosmer was even with or better than all of the rest.  Hewitt's ISO was quite a bit better, but it was in a less competitive league.  Hosmer's ability to take a walk is promising--I fully believe that plate discipline is not a learnable skill.  I also believe that power does take some time to develop in a high school draftee.  Add to that that every other player on the list (except Lawrie, who is looking like a stud) got at least a month of playing time in 2008, and Hosmer acquits himself against similar competition.  His closest offensive comp of that group last year was the Twins' Hicks.  Hicks, who also disappointed last year, is still the #1 Twins prospect according to, well, everybody (Sickels, Hardball Times, Baseball America, FanGraphs).

Yes, last year was a disappointment, but I don't think it was at bad as it seemed.  Given his plate discipline, his eye surgery, and the fact that he now has a season of pro ball under his belt, I don't think there's any compelling reason to think of Hosmer as a bust.  The power has to come along a bit this year, but he's still young enough that it can.

Now, if the organization can just keep from screwing him up anymore...

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if his eye problems (I can’t spell astygmatism) were bad enough that the brain trust decided to operate to fix it instead of glasses or contacts, that must have had an impact on his performance. I remain optimistic that he will have a strong season.
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by buddyball on Jan 30, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

well, maybe an imperfect analogy here

this past summer, I got new prescription glasses and (shudder) this included bifocals. When I played golf later, I couldn’t figure out why I was always topping the ball. After I ditched the bifocals (fixed my vision for golf), I was back to the old golf game (slices into the woods). It was an immediate difference. I hope for the same with Hos.

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by buddyball on Jan 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s MUCH more likely that the hand and finger injuries caused the ground balls because it was probably affecting his swing.

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by doublestix on Jan 30, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...hopefully he'll be 100% in all aspects this year...

and hit like we expected…the system really needs a shot in the arm hitting wise….b/c even if our pitchers do pan out, we’re going to be looking at the late 90’s royals in reverse otherwise

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 30, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The hand injury was probably the cause of all those GBs

He probably was just a little slow with his hands and wrists due to that. Probably didn’t get as many reps on the side as he should of…

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad.... good point doublestix.

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why astigmatism

Wouldn’t cause some problem with ground balls. My understanding is it causes generally blurred vision, especially for fine detail. Making out the shape of a baseball at a high rate of speed seems to be “fine detail,” and, if he’s swinging at a blur, I could see him missing high an inordinate number of times.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jan 30, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Because if you "miss" high on a baseball

You are hitting the top half. High with the bat….

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Failing to identify pitches, being late on pitches, being early on pitches

Not having good vision doesn’t mean you can’t see the ball at all.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

true

in fact, i recall that Giambi’s vision was often credited for his ability to hit so well (read: plate discipline). i think he credited something else for his ability to hit homers

by marbotty on Jan 31, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

George Brett's also

Didn’t I once read that he had better-than-normal vision, like 20/15 or some such?

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by cmkeller on Feb 1, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

good post

a lot of it is a matter of perspective

by Freneau on Jan 30, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

are we kidding here?

he was awful. no power, shit ton of ground balls. all he did was take a few walks.

if we want to give him a pass because of the hand injuries, eye surgery, and unnecessary promotion, that’s definitely reasonable. but let’s not act like he somehow wasn’t bad last year. he was.

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by doublestix on Jan 30, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He was

But people rush to the defense of Cap’n Moose at every opportunity (not necessarily you). What’s so different? Hosmer has an excuse, at least in part, for his lack of power. And despite crappy vision he still had a decent approach at the plate. What’s Moustakas’ excuse?

by kcbottom9th on Jan 30, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference for me is that Moustakas has shown something...

he’s shown he can hit and hit the ball hard. and i think a lot of people are forgiving for the ballpark he played in, and his line was much more respectable away from Frawley. yes his approach is crappy right now, but as I see it, that’s almost the only thing that’s holding him back from “elite” status as a prospect. i’ll take my chances that it improves enough to be respectable.

i am excited to see what they do next year.

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by doublestix on Jan 30, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Moose has shown he can make outs

He posted a sub-300 OBP at Wilmington. (His road splits were modestly better.) He hasn’t “shown” a damn thing; he’s still living off that quick bat, and the glowing scouting reports that made him an uber-prospect in the first place.

Hosmer, on the other hand, has shown a disciplined approach, and despite adversity, he had something less than a disastrous season just one season removed from high school. I think you’ll find that prospects with a good approach develop power much more often than prospects with power develop a good approach.

by aquaman213 on Jan 30, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

right

if he was still “living” on old scouting reports, he wouldn’t be listed as high as he is on so many prospect lists, would he? nope. but hey, like i’ve already said in a few threads, this place has basically written him off and burned his house down, so I’m not surprised at this comment.

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by doublestix on Jan 30, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he did league his league in homers his first full season....

while being very young and having a godawful first couple months of the season. Also, in my world, power is likely to follow him. With Hosmer, he’s not going to be able to draw any walks which will kill his decent OBP if he doesnt start hitting the ball with some authority.

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 30, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

it helps the case that he was being compared to

a shortstop, catcher, center fielder… i think he’ll bounce back. i was a big hosmer fan, and while i’m skeptical, i’m hanging on to optimism there.

by 9il on Jan 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to concede that

The other guys are all premium position players. But, even as a CF prospect, Hicks is considered a power prospect, so I think the comparison, at least to him is fair. There isn’t a lot for direct comparison, as no one else took a HS 1B in at least the first five rounds (I’m sure that means something). I didn’t notice a lot of HS from the next few rounds, other than Jaff Decker, who raked in A ball last year. Plus, even if they’re not power positions, I’d like my SS, C, or CF to also be able to get on base, and Hosmer is showing some skill in that, so I don’t think it’s a completely illegitimate comparison.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jan 30, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that in honor of "Mous"?

I love it…. lol

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm... no reference in the story to a licensing agreement...

…is it possible that the Blue Rocks have failed to obtain permission from the estate of Jay Ward, or whoever hold the rights to the character(s) they have clearly swiped?

by kcemigre on Jan 30, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there is more to Hosmer's dreadful season

He had a lot of questionable things on his facebook account, remember? I wonder if he had issues with partying, drinking, even drug use?

I hope he has a few things behind him now and will have a break out 2010 season at A+.

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

He's be gone wouldn't he?

Moore doesn’t like minor leaguers with a life.

by kcbottom9th on Jan 30, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I just think there were some funny, typical 18/19year old being young pictures

that we all say — the “HOS” seat covers in the SUV, golfing while smoking stogies with Moustakas, no big deal, I don’t think. We had some fun with it here (although some people thought it was “mean”), if someone wants to look it up.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 30, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

"we all saw"

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 30, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i've heard ...

well… i think he might be beyond a typical 19 year old partying wise

by Freneau on Jan 30, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

as have I....

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

remember

he had a commitment to Arizona State

by 9il on Jan 30, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I attended Arizona State for grad school

and I spent a weekend there during undergrad. The difference was extreme. Since the new president took over, ASU is nothing like the party school it used to be. It’s actually a top 25 school now for finance, if you can believe that!

Anyhow, I’m sure the undergrads, particularly the athletes, still know how/where to have a good time. Also, the baseball program there is excellent every year of course.

by jsolo on Jan 30, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit

I don’t remember seeing any shocker signs from hot coed chicks when I was there. That really would have made my MBA worthwhile.

by jsolo on Jan 30, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

so the mba is worthless

except for the hot chicks dropping the shocker at ASU you didn’t see? haha. funny.

So you wouldn’t recommend the ASU MBA? It isn’t something I really want to do, that is the MBA, but I’ve been debating options. Seems like I hear a decent amount of regret when it comes to getting an MBA.

Currently attending a PAC 10 school, so it would be cool for the bball games once a year and the football every other year.

Not sure if Tempe is my scene. Fun place, but I don’t know if I want to deal it.

by wildthang on Jan 31, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I should clarify - ASU was great, worth every penny

The MBA program is top notch and the school itself provides a great college experience. The real problem is Phoenix. There are NO jobs here, particularly for finance.

 A vast majority of the MBA graduates had to leave the city to find work. I married a local, thus I made the error in judgment (career-wise, not personal) to stay here. I’ve been underemployed or unemployed ever since. It’s really not the fault of the MBA or the school.

by jsolo on Jan 31, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Also Tempe is great

Laid back college feel but all the benefits of an urban location. Plus you have the whole desert and outdoors stuff going on.

I’ve had the chance to live in a college town that is more rural – U of Illinois, Champaign, and the more urban college town in Tempe. They both were excellent places for college, just for different reasons.

I seem to remember you being at UCLA. Not sure how that would be because of the whole in-danger-of-your-life thing if you leave campus.

by jsolo on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

UCLA Is In

West Hollywood, the gay capital of the world. You must be thinking of USC, which is just SW of downtown LA.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 31, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

close

UCLA is westwood, surrounded by Beverly Hills, Brentwood, Bel-Air, and Santa Monica, which keeps rent nice and sky high.

USC definitely has some shady stuff going on if you venture a little bit too far from campus, which generally forces some usc students out to westwood on weekends.

by wildthang on Jan 31, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, duh, I was thinking of USC

I knew that too – not sure why I confused the two. Well, forget that comment then, though UCLA would be an expensive place to go to school, so there’s that.

by jsolo on Jan 31, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I Believe It's

Less expensive than USC; UCLA is a part of the U of C system, where USC (AKA The University Of Spoiled Children) is a private school.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 31, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, USC is ridiculously expensive

Although, the U of C schools are pretty damn expensive for out of state students. It’s the reason I chose Illinois instead of Cal back in the day. I’m not from Illinois (from Kansas City, of course!) but even their out of state costs used to be vastly lower than the U of C schools.

by jsolo on Jan 31, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I had a lot of fun when I visited Tempe a couple years back, of course I had just turned 21 then so anywhere with more than 2 or 3 bars was awesome to me.

I could probably live there long enough to do the MBA, but I’m not sure if I’m a desert kind of guy.

If I ever do decide to do an MBA though, I will keep ASU on my list. I’m still in surveying the job market in horror mode, hoping something is there when I graduate.

by wildthang on Jan 31, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yes...

but probably normal 19 year old with a $6 million professional baseball contract. And shit, if he didnt get arrested given those circumstances, he’s doing alright

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 30, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was the Royals and I was handing out $6 million

I would have gone for the guy that didn’t have any questions about his character… Justin Smoak… but that’s not important now. The important thing now is, don’t draft character guys….

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by 306008 on Jan 30, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

there's been nothing even questionable about Hos' behavior....

if we’re judging guys based on being cocky, which Hos seems to be, then we’d have a pretty limited draft pool.

And Smoak hasnt exactly torn the world apart….I’ll be shocked if Hosmer isnt able to post a whopping 723 OPS in AAA in 3 years. Dude hit 10 HRs last year in 400 ABs.

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just going off of what baseball insiders have told me

I hope Hosmer puts his troubles behind him… but when a scout tells me that there were more red flags around Hosmer than we knew about… that gets me a little worried… he asked me if I had ever seen Hosmer’s facebook page predraft… I said no… he said, well, let’s just say that it raised more than a few red flags…

… the MLB guys don’t judge you just on your past, they judge you on the future… what is this kid going to be like if I put 6 million dollars in his pocket… that kind of thing. And for a 6 million dollar investment, I want no questions.

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by 306008 on Jan 31, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a bad guy

He is a ball player…I do not worry about kids or men that want to enjoy being a pro ball player off the field…after last week I am far less concerned about HOZ than I was…He had some bad luck…Keith Law has followed him for along time and is a big believer still…But, he was not the one that changed my opinion…I like Eric…I like his moxy and I think he will have a more suitable line to a tp draft pick at Wilmington this season. As far as his early promotion I knew it was coming…I jnew in ST it would happen. But, this season I think he is at High A the whole season while his buddy is at AA

by gregschaum on Jan 30, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 30, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Great post

The number of HS hitters who showed good power their first pro season are few and far between. I’m still confident the power can come, and even if it doesn’t, if he can become Casey Kotchman, that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

Exhibiting good plate discipline – particularly when there is little power – is encouraging I think. He has a frame where you would still expect power.

Now, if his power doesn’t at least improve somewhat next year…yea, I’ll start to worry.

I remember reading reports before the draft that he was athletic enough to play OF. Should the power never really surface, can you envision a position move to get more value out of him?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

not to mention that

even when we reduce the sample to just high school draftees, Hosmer is second to last in ISO. I’m by no means giving up on him, particularly in light of his health problems in 2009, but I still find it easy to be a bit skeptical about him right now.

by marbotty on Jan 31, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post

And I agree that it is unfair to Hosmer to compare him to older players. However, it is within our rights to be critical of Moore for not picking up Smoak or another college bat.

Just like if we had drafted a dwarf, and he didn’t play as well as the average sized person, it would be unfair to criticize the dwarf.

by marbotty on Jan 31, 2010 7:24 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't that illegal in MLB now?

And isn’t that discrimination? Maybe we should try that… run out a team of shorter gentleman… and have Zack throw every game. at 139 pitches a pop.

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by 306008 on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it's illegal or just a gentleman's agreement not to do it

but after Bill Veeck’s experiment in 1951 we never saw another little person in the game.

It certainly seems like discrimination, but I doubt it would be a winning lawsuit, as they discriminate on physical ability all the time. The league’s lawyers would make an argument along the lines of “they would sign a guy if he could throw it 95+ mph.”

by marbotty on Jan 31, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of legality...

…the example isn’t that good, since the collective OBP of all dwarfs to play in MLB currently stands at 1.000

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gaedeed01.shtml

…and that’s the real reason the Royals can’t draft a dwarf.

by kcemigre on Jan 31, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the sample size isn't big enough.

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by 306008 on Jan 31, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Sample size has nothing to do with it...

…being short is a TOOL. Dwarves (and midgets) OWN that tool.

by kcemigre on Jan 31, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't try to change my mind

With “sample size” arguments. I’ll always consider Matt Tupman and his 2.000 OPS to be the greatest hitter in Royals’ history.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that

In looking at the other HS picks in the first five rounds or so, they all seemed to be projection types for tougher positions (C, CF, SS). If you want a 1B with a power bat, it makes too much sense to get a college guy, since you don’t have to wait to see if he finds his power swing—you know what he’s got when you get him.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Jan 31, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

also compared to Teixeira by several scouts.

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by 306008 on Jan 31, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

He was very good, just missing power. A strained Oblique will do that to you. He’s still a stud.

by kcbottom9th on Jan 31, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ok...but since he was injured we assume he's some sort of god....

but when hosmer is injured it was just b/c he sucked?

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 1, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still high on Hosmer

For the same reason as Smoak, he has a good plate approach despite his lack of power. When the power returns after injury, they are both going to be excellent. Moose is hitting longballs plenty, and still can’t get on base. That concerns me. A lot.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 1, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I am also a fan of taking elite college bats higher up if u are a 2nd division team…I was all over Smoak

I also can not blame u for being critical of a top 5 pick. I just feel better about him now than I did…he had some awful luck and learned sone lessons..I am not saying we should expect him to not act like a 20 year old…I think he will rebound nicely

by gregschaum on Jan 31, 2010 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If Hosmer has the type of 2010 year at Wilmington that

Moustakas had there in 2009, would it be considered a great year? It would certainly be an improvement but Moustakas has been ripped for his production.

by daveyork on Jan 31, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Moustakas's OBP isn't very good

That’s really the concerning part. If you can’t take a walk in the lower levels where the pitchers like to post BB/K ratios that are astronomically high compared to MLB, it doesn’t bode well for his future OBP.

by AxDxMx on Jan 31, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Even coupling Hosmer's OBP numbers

With Moose’s power numbers would likely not cross .800 OPS, which about 25 guys in the Carolina League did get last year. His BA was only around .250 even in the Midwest League, and his BABIP doesn’t suggest bad luck. He’s either going to have to make more consistent good contact or mash beyond what Moose did to have a “great” year. With Frawley Stadium being one of the worst stadiums in the entire minor leagues for power hitters, the odds of the latter are low.

If, however, he had Moose-like power production and had an OBP 100 points over his average—which he did in Burlington—I’d say it was a “promising” year, and would be looking forward to his 2011 in NW Ark.

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by CentralChamps2009 on Feb 1, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

What?!

It’s A ball, he should be blasting and making a push to move up to AA. Sorry, but when you demand the kind of money he did and push the signing deadline you better be able to back that up.

by TampaRoyal on Feb 2, 2010 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

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by kcemigre on Feb 2, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, I don’t think Hosmer pushed the deadline. Selig has put himself in the business of delaying “over-slot” deals. Hosmer just got caught up in that (and then, as a result, in the Alvarez mess).

Someone correct me if I’m remembering this wrong…..

by kcemigre on Feb 2, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think he was genuinely was gaming

I remember Boras on the deadline day saying it probably wouldn’t happen.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 2, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And there is nothing wrong with that

The deadline is the deadline. Guys are entitled to use it to their advantage.

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