DDJ is gone
So the Royals traded David DeJesus.
It's like when you know a relationship is ending, and you know it might even be for the best, but it still kind of shocks you when you actually hear the words.
As is typical, five bloggers will give you six different opinions about what this means for the Royals.
Will McDonald provided a more negative point of view on this site, while Beyond the Box Score comes in on the slightly more optimistic side.
As this is my first foray into Royals blogging, I should probably make a few disclaimers before we jump in:
- I will from time to time use some so-called "advanced statistics." Please do not take this to mean I am putting myself out as a devout sabermetrics guy or even that I actually fully comprehend them. I dabble.
- I tend to look at things from a "glass half full" perspective. I say it's objective, others would argue it's unrealistic. Really it's more of a defense mechanism from years of being a Royals fan.
Now that we have those out of the way, let's begin.
This is, in my mind, a trade the Royals were never going to "win." With the value being placed on prospects these days, most of these trades are not straight "wins" for the team getting rid of the veteran without dumb luck five years down the line or sheer unadulterated stupidity along the lines of AJ Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser.
Basically, we knew DeJesus was going, and we weren't going to get a top 10 prospect for him, we just needed to get some serviceable players.
Yes, we didn't HAVE to trade David DeJesus. Barring a move to the outfield from Wil Myers or Eric Hosmer, there are no super-prospects knocking down the door to play a corner outfield spot.
He's making a good living, but he's not making THAT much.
But, as much as it pains me to say it because I love him, DDJ just wasn't going to be around much longer.
So, the question is, did we get serviceable talent in return.
Vin Mazzaro
Mazzaro is a 23 year-old right handed starter who in just a shade over 200 innings of big league pitching has been slightly below average (91 ERA+) and dead-on 0.0 WAR. He doesn't get you extra wins, but he doesn't cost you any either.
Certainly not a budding Cy Young candidate, but he looks like he can be an innings-eater that will give up some hits, walk a few batters and strike out a few more than he walks.
The way I see it, having a 23 y/o starting pitcher who is -- at 23 -- right about league average, can't be a bad thing.
In 2010, his ERA+ of 97 would have been bested by only Zack Greinke (101) and Bruce Chen (100) on the Royals.
Not the best of standards, for sure, but the reality is Mazzaro improves our pitching staff for 2011 with or without Bruce Chen.
Yes we have Montgomery and Dwyer and Duffy and Teaford and all those guys, but many of them are at least a season away and the chances of ALL of them panning out are slim-to-none.
Vin Mazzaro is a league minimum guy who can come in and improve our pitching staff immediately in 2011 and probably in 12 and 13 as well.
Justin Marks
Like most people, I don't know a lot about this kid. He's 22 years old, a lefty, and from what I've read, grades out as an average prospect with a chance to contribute down the line but far from a sure-thing.
His ERA is slightly high, but his strikeout rate is strong (136 in 129 1/3 innings, to only 56 walks).
Basically, anything Marks contributes at the major league level for the Royals in the future is gravy.
Conclusion
As I said, I don't think is a trade you can ever really expect to "win," but I think the Royals did respectably well.
Consider the Alberto Callaspo trade, which most people kind of rolled their eyes about, but nobody really said "THE ROYALS GOT HOSED." (Especially after Callaspo posted a 0.5 WAR and an OPS+ of 67 in Anaheim)
Sean O'Sullivan is Vin Mazzaro and Will Smith is Justin Marks.
O'Sullivan has slightly fewer innings and is a little younger, but his ERA+ is a mere 77.
Sure DeJesus is a much better player than Alberto Callaspo, but Will Smith is a stronger prospect than Justin Marks, so I think the trades are both fairly even. Neither team really wins on paper, but nor does either team lose on paper.
In the end, would I have liked to have received more for DeJesus? Sure.
Does the sentimental side of me wish DeJsus could finish out his career in Kansas City? Absolutely, but this doesn't even move the needle on the "Neifi-Perez-for-Jermaine-Dye-meter."
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I think the Royals will "win" the trade
Simply because DJ is a poor fit for the A’s who really needed a big bopper for a COF, not yet another good OBA, good defense guy, and thus will trade DJ at the deadline for diminishing returns, while the Royals will have a serviceable back of the rotation starter in Mazzaro for five years.
Nice write up by the way, I look forward to reading more of your posts.
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I missed the point in time where a team didn't need these guys.
Simply because DJ is a poor fit for the A’s who really needed a big bopper for a COF, not yet another good OBA, good defense guy
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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It helps
I’m just saying he’s kinda redundant with what they already have.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
DDJ is not redundant because he is better than what they already have
DDJ instantly becomes the A’s second best hitter and best outfielder. He should be a 1 win upgrade over Rajai Davis. The A’s were not going to get a better player in return for a surplus 1 win starter with nominal upside. A smart team takes the upgrades where it can get them, and a 3.0 WAR player who gets there through on base skills and defense has the same value of a 3.0 WAR player who gets there through home runs. This also does not prevent the A’s from also acquiring a power COF, as Davis or Sweeney would not block them and can be traded for an upgrade somewhere else, and the DH slot is open if Carter is ready.
by Gopherballs on Nov 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice point Warden11....
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by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Nov 12, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, a 100+ ERA does not mean a 0.0 WAR, it means a 2.0 WAR
If Mazzaro, and that is a big if, is leauge average, the Royals will win big on the trade as he will be worth about 10 WAR or so over 5 years, or about 40-50 million on the open market. DDJ had about 10 million in added value over his contract including being type B, or maybe around 15 million if he manages to get type A status.
Go Royals!
WAR does not use ERA
His shiny ERA in 2010 was largely due to the A’s league leading defense, which obviously does not come along with him in the trade.
by Gopherballs on Nov 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I like the optimism
I also like the chances of Marks developing in the Royals minor leagues. Somebody down there has a knack for teaching southpaws how to hurl.
I’ll comment on here on how low Dejesus’ value is right now. It was it’s highest at the trade deadline last year. He was having a career year, everyone thought he was going to be type “A”, there were a number of contenders that were specifically looking for OF help that also could trade prospects instead of money/major league talent, and teams could control him into next year.
Now, he he isn’t type A, there is no pennant race, and he is coming off and injury. The Royals had problem getting value for Dejesus last year. This is probably around Dejesus’ market value.
I'd like to disagree and say we could have received a Top 10 guy from someone
if DM had pulled the trigger last year. The timing is terrible and gives the Royals ZERO leverage in the trade.
Yes, that was last year. When he broke his thumb he probably blew up half of his value as a trade chip.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Nov 11, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, according to Coco Crisp, the As win.
His reaction on twitter:
“Yeaha!!!! We (A’s) just got my boy David Dejesus from KC. We gotta have the best looking OF in the league lol… No homo.”
Well written...you made me feel alittle bit better...but,
I still disagree. I trust this team a lot more to draft than trade so I’d take the Arb comp pick.
If David is a Type B I believe we would get a 2nd rd pick & we could draft who slips or atleast good value like Eiber, Lamb, Melville, Gio, Duffy, Myers, Dwyer, Adam ect…
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by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Nov 12, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions
Rollerskate, that’s a gamble, IMO. If he has a down year (hand injuries, especially horrific ones like that, can be problematic for hitters) he might not be a Type B or he could lower his stock enough that he would accept arbitration and we’d be stuck with him for another year. I love DDJ, but I feel this was the safest move.
Even if he become a type B, we’re looking at AT LEAST two years from next years draft before we have the slightest amount of major league performance from our return. This gives us a guy who will contribute immediately and is young enough that he can still be a meaningful, back-end starter if/when we field a competitive team.
Gamble yes...I am a there is no REWARD w/o risk...also...
DDJ could pick up where he left off & be a Type A FA. I took the type B approach above bc I felt it was the most likely outcome.
As far as when the comp pick(s) would contribute, I don’t think that matters bc our farm system is top heavy already. DM wants prospects in waives so the comp pick(s) would be in line w/ the 2nd waive consisting of Cuthbert, Adam, Ventera, Simmons, Yambati, L Santiago, Avinazor, Antonio, Caxito ect…
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by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Nov 12, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
2011 is a lost season why do u need serviceble pitching...
just throw the line up out there & play ball…
just run all the minor league FA up there til we don’t have any more & keep DFAing them…maybe we sign Bruce reasonably in the end…
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by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Nov 12, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

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