D-Backs shopping Justin Upton
Wow, I'd love to be all over this. Has virtually no chance of happening but that doesn't stop me from dreaming. Perhaps a 3 way trade--sending off Greinke and getting Upton? Or perhaps Gordon/Montgomery/? for Upton.
FYI J. Upton has 5yr/$50 million left on his contract.
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I dont know if he is "fast" enough for Moore
But that would be an amazing grab. Definitiely willing to give up one of our top pitchers. Not sure about Greinke though.
How About Soria
And throw in Getz and maybe a MiLB pitcher, maybe Crow. Upton could save us from Frogger, too.
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Gordon/Montgomery wouldn't be enough for me if I was the Dbacks
IT’s really nuts that they are even thinking of trading him. He has so much value that to to get a fair return they’d have to send him to a team basically willing to either send one of the best prospects in the game and then a “lesser” A prospect, or at least one “A” and then a 3-4 good Bs.
Trading for Upton is similar to trading for Longoria — a fair trade would require stripping your farm system pretty badly . Are you ready to give up, say, Lamb and Moustakas? Because I don’t think it would be crazy for the DBacks to ask for that.
Then again, these are the guys who got Joe Saunders and change back for Dan Haren (maybe the prospects are better than I remember), so, yeah, offer them Butler and Mazzaro.
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these are different guys than those that made that trade i think....
i think that was byrnes and co
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't it the interim crew?
and it was not a great return—Skaggs—the big prospect in the deal was just rated a 4 star prospect by BP—so he’s a good but not great prospect.
yeah, it was after Byrnes was canned
but you’re right, it was the interim group.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Quite A Haul
July 25, 2010: Traded by the Arizona Diamondbacks to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim for a player to be named later, Patrick Corbin (minors), Rafael Rodriguez and Joe Saunders. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim sent Tyler Skaggs (minors) (August 7, 2010) to the Arizona Diamondbacks to complete the trade.
I would definitely go in with a lowball offer and see if they take it.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I figure they must be down on him if they want to shop him
and they seem to value Stephen Drew higher than Upton.
And, yeah, I would be tempted to give up Lamb/Moose for Upton.
me too
Lamb/Moose for Upton
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 16, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
No No No No!!!!
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Only if we can dump Hosey's contract on them, too.
What’s that?… Hosey’s gone? It’s a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lamb/Moose was just an example
and maybe the Royals should do it, I dunno. Basically, I think the D-Backs could ask for any one prospect out there, plus another really good one. Given pitcher attrition rates, pitching prospects aren’t as valuable, so if they wanted Hosmer/Montgomery, you could make an argument for it. THere are other permutations, naturally…
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Dan Uggla!
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I would make a trade in a heart beat.
I would Lamb and Moose in a heart beat.
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and break up the menagerie?
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by Royal Kingdom on Nov 16, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
D-Backs need a first baseman, don't they?
Butler/Montgomery for Upton? Maybe add a third piece.
Honestly, they'd need a pretty good third piece to go with that
I’m not sure how the other pitchers all shake out in overall prospect rankings, but the Royals would have to send at least another high-end B prospect in addition to Monty/Butler, I least that’s what I think would be fair.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
of course, I'm not sure how the shoulder injury may have effected him
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
A starter
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Butler Montgomery Mendoza
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by averagegatsby on Nov 16, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
That seems a hair high
But I realize you can’t fall THAT much in love with your prospects, as they are still just prospects. And I actually am a big fan of trading Butler and giving Kila 1B until Hos is ready to come up. I wouldn’t necessarily give up Montgomery or Lamb if I have to throw in a third guy, but I’d go with the next to LH, Duffy or Dwyer, in the second spot, and a guy in the third slot like Tyler Sample. Is Butler/Duffy/Sample enough for five years of Upton?
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by CentralChamps20?? on Nov 17, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it at all possible
that GMDM anticipated Upton’s availability and that’s why he moved DDJ early?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
So Lamb and Moose for
a 2010 OPS of .799? Or if you prefer, a .349 wOBA?
Let’s put that in perspective, DDJ just had a wOBA of .363 and an OPS of .827 and we got nothing for him. You guys are talking about giving up a top chunk of the farm for what was worse than DDJ in 2010. I know there are differences in the player’s ages and Upton can be expected to improve because of that, but I think it would be a rash mistake to jump at a name player like this. I would lowball them Soria and one of our pitchers (like Monty) and see what they think. To be clear, I like Upton, he’s only 23, but I just wouldn’t throw away our top prospects for him. Maybe a 4 player deal with out mid-tier prospects like the Haren deal.
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If you don’t ask.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
How about the top chunk of the farm
For a 4.6 WAR player the year before who you are comparing to the partial season of DDJ who was having a career year and is old(er)
So down year for Upton or a trend?
You move those numbers to 2005 and you are evaluating players the same way DM does. I prefer to rate recent performance more heavily.
He’s a strikeout machine too.
He Does Maintain
A decent OBP, and his walk rate is improving. His power was down last year, and I’d expect that to come back. I wouldn’t let Seitzer anywhere near him.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
As said above, Upton's iso was down last year
It can be expected to go back up to his previous rates. He strikes out a lot, and has a good walk rate as well. He will also steal close to 20 bases.
DDJ had a .355 BABIP last year, a career high
Heard Upton had shoulder issues last year
that zapped his power—would expect it to jump back up this year.
Wow, He Absolutely
Massacred LHP in 2009; .377 .445 .762 1.208 in 137 PAs. He maintained his performance vs RHP in 2010, but his LHP split went to .276 .390 .378 .768 in 155 PAs. SSS, but still striking. Maybe the league is figuring him out to some extent. Also, only 2 HRs vs LHP in 2010, 12 in 2009 in fewer PAs. You’d think that would have to even out.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Would Greinke for Upton straight up be fair?
Or would one side or the other have to contribute more?
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The More I
Look at Upton, the more I think he’d be worth Greinke. Good power, good speed, good RF defense, and still very young. His peak could be HOF; I’d roll those dice.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Especially with the upside of the myriad arms we have in the minors. Club control for I think four more years.
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by Old Man Duggan on Nov 16, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt have to think twice about 5 years of Upton for 2 years of Greinke....
I’d even think about throwing in a 2nd tier prospect
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding
Upton for Greinke straight off would be a ripoff
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
FYI--Keith Law thinks Upton would be a good fit in KC
I don’t have insider so I can’ read the whole thing—just what I’ve picked up on the Twitter
I have insider, but can't find the article
Do you have the link?
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 16, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
even the thought that its a remote possibility makes me
approach tumescence ……. which is significant, considering my age
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Nov 16, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what that is but I’m going to look it up after posting this because I’m sure it’s awesome.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking Duffy or Dwyer plus Melville or Sample and
Duffy/Dwyer + Melville/Sample + another b or C prospect.
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If they will.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone's drastically overvaluing upton...
Billy Butler + Melville should be enough. If they thought upton were a superstar that warranted a greinke-like haul, they wouldn’t be dealing him. or mark reynolds for that matter.
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If we were to land Justin Upton
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Justin Upton is a beast and if KC can give up Greinke in a 3 way deal to get him its a no brainer
Pull in the Braves toss Greinke towards ATL get Upton while the Braves give up Mike Minor a B/C Prospect and have the Royals sweeten the pot by tossing them a Dwyer or Duffy.
Everyone wins AZ gets 3 solid prospect plus saves off the contract. The Braves get a #1 starter by only giving up a B+ starter and the Royals win by getting Upton plus just giving up one prospect.
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I'd be all for it
but I think the Braves might rather just have Upton—they really want a RH OF
Minor and a B/C prospect for Greinke seems like an absolutely steal on their end though
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3 way with Texas?
Rangers get: P Zack Greinke
Royals get: OF Justin Upton
Dbacks get: Their pick of two of the best minor league systems in baseball
Beats the hell out of the Joe Saunders/Dan Haren deal
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No shit
Do it now Dayton.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 16, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
this makes a ton of sense
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
No Moose, Myers, or Hosmer
Then, I’m probably with you.
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That would be great for the Royals
no way the Dbacks should do it without one of those guys being included, unless they get Montomery and their pick of 2 or 3 other players from both systems.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm More Inclined
To give up pitching than one of the big three position players. That’s probably not rational, just my gut feeling.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 17, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Completely rational
Weird to say, but we’re loaded with pitching prospects, especially power LHs. Pitching is the currency of baseball, and for once, the Royals have something to spend. We’re starved for offense, so yeah, you’ve gotta keep those prospects and add a player like Upton. Plus, Upton and Gordon in CF/LF when they were drafted 1-2 at SS/3B just satifies at so many levels.
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by CentralChamps20?? on Nov 17, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's a crime
if we don’t at least try.
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Nov 16, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions
do we think glass is willing to take on this contract?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions
$10M a year? Why not?
He’s been willing to pay more for lesser talent.
And especially if Grienke’s contract gets traded away as part of the deal, for sure it suits the bottom line.
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Before these kids are ready.
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Do this
Trade Billy as the centerpiece of the deal (Plus, say, Monty and another prospect) then turn around to the Yankees and work out Soria + prospect for Montero.
That’s a team that competes in 2012, no need to trade Greinke.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Nov 16, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
age
DM’s age dyslexia will hurt us. He clearly thought JoGui was 23 instead of 32 and Upton’s 23 just seems a little too risky.
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by SittinByTheFoulPole on Nov 16, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions
Sign me up – this is EXACTLY the type of player we need to be targetting – the combination of ‘track record of success’ plus ‘young with reasonable expectation of improvement’ is uncommon, throw in the reasonable contract and years of control and it’s a no brainer.
Moose+Monty+random minor leaguer is fine with me.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Nov 16, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions
This would be crazy
I think i’m more hesitant to trade any of the pitching prospects though. I’m fine w/ sending Billy off and using Kila until Hos is ready. We’d still have to throw in a pitcher, but like Matt suggested, I’d throw them Vinny. I doubt that would get it down though. Who knows though.
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Remember Billy Butler will be just 25 next year!
He’s still 3 years from his peak value! Billy is not a player I would include in this deal.
I'm not interested in trading Billy but I also believe a tad in hitter protection.
I think Billy could be outstanding with a hitter like Upton hitting behind or in front of him. I wouldn’t trade Moose or Hosmer.
As much as I love Myers(my #1 prospect) he is the one I would give up if had to just because his probable move to the OF is filled by Upton.
In reality though KC shouldn’t have to give up any of the Top 5 prospects with the depth of their system.
Duffy or Dwyer are easily solid enough to be the cornerstones of a deal toss in a Top 15 type like Giavotella or Melville and a back half of the top 30 is a solid haul for a team looking to unload salary.
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That's understandable
but no way should Arizona do a deal with KC without 1 of Hosmer, Moustakas, or Myers, and at least one good pitching prospect. Either that or about 3-4 pitchers.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 16, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of Moose
Call me a hater, but his OBA and his weird splits still kinda scare me off. I’m a much bigger believer in the other two – Hos and Willlllll.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wil And Justin
On the corners would be fine with me. If Gordon comes anywhere near living up to expectations he could be traded for more prospects or moved back to 3B.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
agree entirely
and in every way even
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The Royals should really give up some good pitching prospects for him
Pitching prospects have a really high failure rate. It would make sense for the Royals to use them as trade bait. I’m not saying that they could get Upton just for pitching prospects, but if they could get him for Butler plus two pitching prospects, I’d do it in a second.
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I wonder, if they thought about doing that, if
they would hire an extra team of scouts to sit in a boardroom and pin down the young pitcher most-likely-to-fail (if that’s even possible) and then really push those guys when in discussions.
Wow that sounds kind of stupid, but….I still wonder.
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The secret to spending the “capital of baseball” wisely, and I’m sure they think they know something about them that other organizations don’t, but it seems to be an inexact science at best.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is, their criteria are
“who smokes the most ganja” and “who pees on the most fences”
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 16, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think you would have to be more coy...
Me being a very cynical person, if someone is really pushing one guy hard, I then begin to question why.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 16, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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Time to start spending the currency of baseball
This seems like as good a place as any to start
Unless I'm wrong...
by Top Ramen on Nov 16, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Currency, Not Capital
I knew that phrase didn’t sound right, but it still makes sense.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
in no way related to justin upton....
but Mazzaro/Marks looks like a steal compared to what uggla brought in…WOW.
NYRoyal and any of the others who HATED the DDJ deal care to rethink?
Uggla is the better player. While being more expensive, he’s also a better player with skills that are much more expensive. There’s a good chance he brings a similar surplus value with him when you consider his value and contract as Dejesus and he’s a near lock to be a Type A FA who definitely will decline arbitration.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions
The Marlins are doing some odd things this winter
I’m not sure they’re a good example, although their track record is pretty good.
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Yeah, the existence of another bad trade does not make a previous bad trade any better
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by Scott McKinney on Nov 16, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
but it does make a better statement about the value
of good players with one year left of team control, much moreso than, “this deal sucks, our gm sucks”.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
It is one piece of evidence among many
of good players with one year left of team control, much moreso than, "this deal sucks, our gm sucks".
I’m glad that my criticism of the DeJesus trade (and the criticism of many, many others) went far beyond “this deal sucks, our gm sucks.”
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by Scott McKinney on Nov 17, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
it didnt....
mazarro is very likely to provide more surplus value than dejesus. you have no idea what DM was offered at the deadline or after the season. the market changes. prospects are more valued. a very successful gm just got less in return for a more valuable trade commodity.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 17, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
thats why i said surplus value instead of WAR...
there’s a very good chance that uggla is going to be worth more than $4 million more (guessing at $10 million in arb) than Dejesus next year…along with the strong likelihood of being a type A instead of the outside chance of being a type A.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 17, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
You keep ignoring that the actual value of a player (in terms of dollars and/or players in trade) is about more than WAR and the dollar value thereof. The price of any commodity is determined by what the market will bear. The speculative value of DDJ’s speculative WAR is a meaningful datum. But it is far from the end of determining his current trade value.
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by Scott McKinney on Nov 17, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
the market has had two somewhat similar players traded in the past two weeks....
and DM got far more than Beinfest (i think thats his name). we’ll see if there are more.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
It didn't?
I didn’t talk about how Moore ignored DDJ’s market value this offseason given the thin FA market for OFers? I just said that the trade sucks and Moore sucks? I must have dreamt it. My bad.
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by Scott McKinney on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
its much more meaningful then
vague anecdotal evidence of players who might or might not have been offered 6 months ago
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 16, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
any noise if the Royals tried to get Uggla?
they could have put together a better package than Atlanta did. I wouldn’t mind seeing him at second base.
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Or 3B
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't seem to make much sense
He’s only signed through 2011 I believe, and that’s not a competitive year for us
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be an interesting addition.
$50 M over 5 years. I think he strikes out an awful lot and I don’t know if his defense would be equal to Dyson or Blanco. His bat would be the tool though.
If you give up a pitcher make it Duffy. Maybe you can get Carlos Rosa back in this deal.
I'm going to go out on a limb
and say that Justin Upton is a way, way, way better baseball player than Blanco or even Outfield TPJ Jarrod Dyson.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
That's one really, really sturdy limb.
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by CentralChamps20?? on Nov 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There has to be a way to make this deal without dealing Butler or Greinke.
I understand the idea of trading those guys for more prospects in order to increase the chances of hitting when the crop comes up. But Upton in the the league and making money now. I know you would be doubling the number of years of team control of a proven player from 2 with Greinke to 4 with Upton, but we would be absolutely destroying the pitching staff for another year.
There has to be a formula to make this work that will allow us to either keep Greinke or get a position player and a hitter back when we trade him.
If we did the three-way with Arizona and Texas, why couldn’t Texas send us a pitching prospect back as well? Just a thought.
All that being said, I’d love to get Upton.
Four years of Upton > Two years of Greinke
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
It's five years left, isn't it?
But yeah, I can’t believe people can’t see this, if the Greinke for Upton straight up would be a total ripoff in the Royals favor. Can’t see it happening: aside from the ripoff factor, if the Dbacks are really interested in moving a guy under control for half of a decade, why would the do it for a guy under control for two years?
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 17, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
What Max Said
Max says:
November 16, 2010 at 7:38 pm
I would guess a three team trade is more likely. If the D-Backs are in full rebuild mode, Greinke does them little good.
How bout Greinke to the Rangers, Upton to the Royals, and a ton of great prospects to the D-Backs? The Royals and Rangers are two organizations that have the prospects to make this happen.
Makes sense for the Rangers because they are in win-now mode and Greinke gives them the ace they need to replace Lee if he goes (and just imagine if Lee stays! What a rotation!)
Makes sense for the Royals because it helps sell the team while the prospects come up, Upton is young and signed long-term, and they have the depth to give up a prospect or two.
Makes sense for the D-Backs because they get a ton of A/B+ prospects.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Im sold
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by averagegatsby on Nov 16, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
i like it
the team has to be willing to use some of its prospects to acquire talent…as NY and others so astutely pointed out, the pitcher failure rate is very high.
i would start with teaford, melville and a reliever and work my way from there…ultimately one of the big 4 plus maybe a giovatella to get it done
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 16, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Always Go For
The total anal rape first. When that is refused, ratchet it up. When that is off the table, ratchet it up. I’d go as high as Greinke and a pitching prospect, but I’d insist on a C+ throw in. Maybe throw something their way, too.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 16, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I realize this isn't "fantasy sports"
but if I get a total low ball offer I tend to just tell them to fuck off.
Of course, there has also been the occasional time that I’ve countered with an inversely proportinally ridiculous offer to find a happy medium.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 16, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
i think people are way overvaluing upton
as was mentioned above, his OPS was similar to DeJesus…plus, you are taking on $50 million worth of obligation to get him…plus the fact that they are apparently clueless about trades with the take from the haren deal.
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 17, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
He's 23 goin on 24 and has already posted a .898 OPS the year before and was injured last season
to drop his totals. Don’t think its an overvalue at all.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
He's fn 23 years old
and is a 3-4 WAR player already.
This guy will be a perennial All Star and is a potential HOF player if his tools fully pan out.
You always try to get the other guy to tell you his number/price first
If I were Dayton, I’d call them, tell them I’m interested, let them know that no one is off the table, and ask them who they’d want for Upton. Make them throw out the first offer. It will tell you a lot about what Arizona’s mindset is. If it’s offensively-high, then you can always hang up, or come back with a not quite as offensively-low counter.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
This. You Can
Go either way, but making a lowball offer can be effective, too. You never know unless you ask. It’s called haggling. I suck at it, but my wife was all about it.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Surely the fact that Upton is "available"
really affects the Carl Crawford market doesn’t it? I realize they are different players, and the acquisition of them isn’t similar. But which player is more desirable, I would assume Crawford, but Im sure age plays a big part of this.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I completely looked that over
good point. I think Crawford still has the overall upper hand, but I’d much rather take on the younger Upton with his salary. Hard to say what Crawford will get, but I’d venture a guess that it’ll be every bit of twice what’s owed to Upton over the next 5 years. That being said, Upton gets the better “value” nod.
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i meant "overlooked"
ugh to mornings
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Depends though
Some teams have money, others have prospects, few have both.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
well yeah, and I tried to sum that up in the simple
and the acquisition of them isn’t similar
But a team like the Red Sox who can realistically go after either player… Who would be more desirable.
Thats like saying: "Sure you didn’t get a hummer from Jessica Alba, but at least you got anally raped from Shaquille O’neil" --- Craig in Calgary
by averagegatsby on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
After reading MLBTR the Royals are gonna probably need to bring the Yankees into this.
Which might mean they need Greinke to soften his stance on NY. If the Yanks are struggling with Cliff Lee they could get Greinke give up Montero and another prospect while the Royals could give up a SP prospect.
Yanks-Greinke
Royals-Upton
DBacks- Montero + 2 prospects.
The Yanks would also have money available to them to sign Lee as Greinke’s contract probably doesn’t limit them from that..
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Why do the Yankees need to come into this?
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 17, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Greinke and Lee both in pinstripes would make me vom
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I might stop watching baseball if that happened
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by averagegatsby on Nov 17, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a great trade for the team getting Montero
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 18, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
from mlbtr
The Red Sox are on the “backburner” in the Upton talks after a mystery team made a strong push yesterday, according to Ken Rosenthal
He’ll be wearing Royal blue in a matter of hours.
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by Scott McKinney on Nov 18, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions
Blue Jays
Per Rosenthal. He added:
Low-revenue club such as the Royals, Rays and Marlins appear to be less likely landing spots, in part because of the steep price in prospects and because Upton will earn $14.25 million and $14.5 million in the final two years of his contract.
For fuck sake we paid Guillen nearly that...
UGH!
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by averagegatsby on Nov 18, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
But He Was
A proven POWERBAT in his Moorean prime
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by philofthenorth on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
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