An Impossible Choice: Who Is A Better Leader, Jeff Francoeur or Jason Kendall?
by Freneau on Dec 10, 2010 1:40 AM EST
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PrintSure, Jeff Francoeur is an amazing leader. Amazing. I'm not going to deny that. Dayton Moore knows Francoeur is:
"It is a young team, so hopefully I’ll be able to provide a little veteran leadership," Francoeur said.
He is, by all accounts, a great guy and an awesome teammate. He’s the sort of guy that you meet, you love, you hope.
And I can grant all that. Obviously, we know with basically perfect accuracy what athletes are good guys, leaders, winners, and which aren't. These qualities are immutable and reveal themselves with great clarity in the world of sports. So, plainly, no problem there. He's a tremendous guy. He should have a future in politics, only, that would be too tawdry for Jeff Francoeur. Too limited too. He shouldn't represent a single state, congressional district or even country. He's a gift to the world. And his eyes... are a gift to God. To God. Not from God.
However, I must ask, one thing. Is he a better leader than Jason Kendall? I take baseball leadership very seriously and I cherish its history in the game. My favorite bar argument ever is "Mt Rushmore of Baseball Leaders." Let's just put it this way... if you aren't putting Tino Martinez on that list, you better have dental insurance friend. So, I'm not going to sit idly by and let everyone just forget about Jason Kendall's leadership.
Have the Royals forgotten?
Can the Royals have too much leadership? How will the dynamic play out. If Mike Aviles talks out of turn who sets him straight? If Jarrod Dyson needs advice on hailing a cab in Seattle, does Kendall handle that, or does Francoeur? Who calls the first players only meeting? Ideally, of course, these two idols would work together. Or would that be disastrous? I believe it was Auden who said something to the effect of, "anyone who believes they've been in love more than once has never truly loved at all." I look at Kendall's wonderful work with this team last year, and clearly, he did a masterful job. Masterful. That's why the Royals rallied around Trey Hillman, improved in every single pitching statistic, and stuck around all season in the Central. Should we bother with something that isn't broken?
Then again, Dayton's thinking is rigorously grounded in empirical data. He knows what's best.
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Kendall
Francoeur didn’t lead his team to a World Series and catch a Cy Young winner like Kendall has
FIRE DAYTON MOORE and Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bhindepmo
This poll is bullshit.
No mere human could ever be a better leader than Jason Kendall. Is this April Fucking Fools Day?
by Black and Gold on Dec 10, 2010 1:51 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
that's how I'm starting to feel
Francoeur is nice. He’s a great leader. But let’s not get crazy here. Jason Kendall is… he’s fire AND ice. Mother and Father. He’s like the pillow AND the blanket.
by Freneau on Dec 10, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As a mere human being, I lack the capacity to choose between the two.
So I flipped a coin. It came up Kendall. Yes, Kendall’s head is on my coin. It wasn’t before I flipped it, but his teleporting abilities made it show up just at the right time to win this leadership battle.
by AxDxMx on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When asked to choose between two different options
I normally ask myself, “If these two guys were hardcore Aryan Brotherhood maximum-security lifers, and they were locked down in the same cell 23 hours a day, who’d end up being whose girlfriend?”
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
I think this is a LeBron-Wade all over again
The media’s going to make a big deal about having two of the consensus top five leadership players in the same clubhouse, and rightfully so. The issue is—and you alluded to it here—an opportunity cost. I wouldn’t call it too much leadership, but there’s got to be a ceiling. If Eric Hosmer’s getting a ranting, pointless, Norm-MacDonald-on-Conan esque anecdote about a pig loose in the clubhouse from Jeff Francoeur, he’s necessarily not getting one from Jason Kendall. We had the same problem in New York with Francoeur and Alex Cora.
I’m not saying there’s going to be conflict. However, you just can’t add up each player’s leadership to date like a lot of writer’s are probably going to do this offseason. No doubt there will be league-leading leadership, just temper your expectations a little.
by Sam Page on Dec 10, 2010 2:42 AM EST reply actions 14 recs
A frank and sober reminder to us all
My thanks and kudos.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Simmons is already working on a 50,000 word column
about how there can only be one alpha dog on the Royals
I will personally give Jeff Francoeur my non-existent MVP vote
if he throws baby powder up in the air in front of the dugout when lineups are announced before every game.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you can get away with being a cocky arrogant asshole...
if you’re the best person in the history of the world at what you do at your age
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 10, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, you've really changed your mind about Francoeur pretty quickly!
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Francoeur is going to mentor all the "young guys" on the Royals
Jeff Francoeur turns 27 in January. Here are the 2011 B-R ages of some of the “young guys” he might mentor next season:
Jason Kendall 37
Billy Butler 25
Mike Aviles 30
Yuniesky Betancourt “29”
Mitch Maier 29
Wilson Betemit 29
Alex Gordon 27
Chris Getz 27
Kila 27
Gregor Blanco 27
Brayan Pena 29
Jarrod Dyson 26
Luke May 26
Zack Greinke 27
Kyle Davies 27
Luke Hochevar 27
Joakim Soria 27
Robinson Tejeda 29
Gil Meche 32
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 2:59 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
you are merely bringing up facts.
And I reject all of them at this time.
"Shot by my own men."
by StonewallPDS on Dec 10, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap! I didn't realize so many of our guys are 27!
Isn’t that typically when a typical player reaches their peak? We’re gonna fucking rock this year! What are you guys all being such negative nellies for?
by Gross(est) on Dec 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if DM reads this site and only picks out bits and pieces.
Like:
27 is peak age for a hitter.
Lots of talk about this Francouer fellow, I must have him!
Defensive stats aren’t perfect.
by AxDxMx on Dec 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If Frenchy were a platoon leader in Nam
he’d have been the kind of glory-hunting lieutenant who kept volunteering his men for hazardous missions until they finally fragged him.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
by Juancho on Dec 10, 2010 3:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Furthermore this team also doesn't platoon well.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Dec 10, 2010 4:53 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
We have to get Brett Lawrie
He’d be the guy who frags Frenchy.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
What are you talking about? Olivo and Buck were both right-handed
and the Royals totally got the most out of using both of them!
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff Francoeur in action
“Knowing the vc weaknesses, I sent wave after wave of my own men against them, until they got tired and gave up”
Unless I'm wrong...
by Top Ramen on Dec 10, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Zap is Dayton Moore to me.
Francouer is better cast as Zoidberg. He thinks he’s a doctor, but doesn’t know basic human anatomy. Fits Frenchy I think.
Melky
Dayton likes fast guys.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 10, 2010 8:20 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
You know what, even if you’re right on every single point, I don’t care anymore. The pissing and moaning about Jason Kendall and Jeff Francouer is getting old really fast.
Let us then re-direct your fun times to the good ship lollipop, A.K.A. facebook.com
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Can't we all get back
to bitching about Yuni???
by Black and Gold on Dec 10, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I love the quotes around the "29"
So even when it’s not about Yuni, it’s always about Yuni.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
It's totally Yuni.
Last year I had tickets in the front row of the Crown Club. I was pumped about the game and the A’s got out to a 4 run lead. Yuni had an error early in the game that allowed 2 runs. I went into full on Chicken Little mode talking about how the franchise was devastated due to this asshole Yuni. What does he do next? Grand fucking slam. I was on my feet excited about it of course, but after he rounded the bases and I thought about it, I became enveloped in shame. It was Yuni for god’s sake. Fuck him.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 10, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and Jason Fucking Kendall struck out 3 times.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 10, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
But he did so with a demonstration of grit and determination
never before seen on the grass-covered ball diamonds of America’s heartland.
by Black and Gold on Dec 10, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes it is.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, then don't bother to read any Kendall/Francoeur-pissing-and-moaning posts
and please feel free to write your own sunshine-and-puppy-dogs posts whenever you like. As you can see, many of us still greatly enjoy the piss-and-moan-fest.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 10, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why shouldn't we complain?
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 10, 2010 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And here's the rant.
“Fan” comes from “fanatic,” not “sycophant.” We are irrationally passionate about the Royals, and thus we get upset when bad things happen to them. Our general manager is clueless about acquiring major league talent. Kendall is a gaping black hole of offensive “talent,” was defensively even or worse than the two better catchers he replaced, and every single pitcher on the staff other than Soria and Bruce Chen regressed with him catching. The team was worse with him than without, so whatever “intangibles” he brought had no positive effect on the team. And now to add Francouer as a “leader” when there will be no young players on this year’s team for him to “lead” is simply insane.
If you don’t want to read snark about Kendall or Francouer, then don’t read it. The title of this post was kinda a giveaway. For those of us who have survived our Royals fandom thanks to clever cynicism that helps take the edge off of the despair that would otherwise be too much to bear, I’ll delight in a post such as this every single day.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 10, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Well, yeah.
irrationally passionate about the Royals
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
What is also getting old
Is watching players like Jason Kendall and Jeff Franceour in Royals uniforms.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
THIS
Proud Founding Memeber of the UPAMTN Fan Club.
by la flama blanca on Dec 10, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, FRANCOEUR HASN'T EVEN PUT ON TH--
oh forget it
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
This question should be on the ACT exam.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 10, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions
More like a college philosophy final
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 10, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I tried to vote for Francoeur, but my computer exploded.
Thanks Jason Kendall.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 10, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Kendall on grit factor alone
I heard his rehab this off season is going to be a scene for scene re-enactment of the Rocky IV training workout montage, with Kendall playing Rocky Balboa, Ivan Draggo, Pauly on the sled AND Brigitte Nielsen simultaneously.
Kendall is the win-win situation.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions
No pain. NO PAIN!
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Clubber Lang predicts pain.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
ITS ALL ABOUT WINS YOU IDIOTS!
FRENCHY LED HIS TEAM TO THE WORLD SERIES. KENDALL LED A BUNCH OF LOSERS LAST YEAR. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF A SPREADSHEET AND WATCH A GAME FOR ONCE!!!!111
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Sausage, Ditka, Bears, Sausage.......
"2010: The year Mizzou gets over the hump. The year the Chiefs show the NFL that they're back. And the year Dayton Moore signs some washed up has been or never was to return us to the glory of the Royals not losing 100 in 2011."
by royaldaddy on Dec 10, 2010 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The fact that this poll
is so damn close speaks wonders of these two heroes.
Haters gonna hate!
Go Royals, Chiefs and Blues!
by theroyalblues on Dec 10, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
This one got recs from me all over the place
Seriously though, I love Franceour. LOVE him. It was an amazing signing, no one is disputing that. I know Dayton was “blown away” by what he was able to accomplish last offseason, but I would imagine this offseason he’ll be……blown awayer.
Still, a better leader than Kendall? What is this, a joke?
by big matt on Dec 10, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I Think You
Meant “blowner away”; common mistake.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Is that a result of the inevitability of the Francoeur signing?
It has been a years long prophecy…
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Francoeur - President of the World
Jason Kendall – President of the Universe
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions
Right !!! But which is better?!!?
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well it all goes back to the Federalists against the Republicans/Jeffersonians
Alexander “Kendall” Hamilton, as they called him, wanted a strong national government with financial credibility, while Thomas “Frenchy” Jefferson (odd nickname, must have had something to do with the French Revolution) and the Republicans opposed a strong central government. GMDWashington’s two top-leadership cabinet members argued relentlessly, though he tried and failed to moderate the feud. The Federalists prevailed and homeostasis remained until Washington left office, when John (Cabrera??) Adams succeeded and he and Jefferson oversaw turmoil with an often bipolar leadership.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
just brilliant
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
All that time Jefferson spent in Paris, you know
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 10, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that, but wasn't sure if I remembered my history well enough.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Bipolar leadership!
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 11, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I am trying to rationalize everything
1. Recall that Pods and Kendall were the mainly focused players on the official website,
2. The majority of people love guys like JoGu, Yuni, Kendall, Bloomquist. (e.g. Facebookers, and some certain JUDGE OF THE ROYALS)
3. Draft picks are ordered from the worst team to the best.
4. DM pays a lot of focus on prospect, rebuild, THE PROCESS, the long term.
5. Royals isnt rich
From 5, we know that
A) Royals can’t just buy players that can bring them to playoff anyway. So Royals would just be 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 5th in the division.
From 4, we can speculate that
B) DM thinks that the short term can be sacificed for the long term.
From 3, we know that
C) Being 2nd in the division is worse than being 5th in the division because of draft pick, so it is better to get a bad player.
From 2, we know that
D) Most people watch the game for the homeruns, divings, grand slams, rbi, grit, not for the walks.
From 1, we confirm that
E) Indeed the marketing strategy is to promote these former-playoff-ers, former-new-york-ers, famous-player-who-isn’t-famous-for-playing-well, …etc.
In conclusion, DM’s pre-2012-strategy is to:
- Lose more for better draft picks
- Bring in revenue and keeping fan support while subtlely losing more, by providing alternative attraction with bad players who dives or make tough nice play or home runs sometimes or are funny or are famous or are handsome.
Further speculatons
- Hope to looks dumb so that the rest of the AL Central don’t feel threatened, and would be too late to react when THE SUPERWAVE arrives
- Trade away fan favorites to promote jersey sales.
whoa
by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on Dec 10, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions
Good analysis - at least we have something to pin our hopes on
keeping fan support while subtlely losing more
Hope to looks dumb so that the rest of the AL Central don’t feel threatened, and would be too late to react when THE SUPERWAVE arrives
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
You apparently haven't started reading Schuerholz's book yet
Chapter 2 will assure you that the “Bravest Way” is not anywhere near that clever; it’s about using your “passion about a player” to make decisions, not relying on production-oriented statistics developed by “a roomful of sabermetricians with green visors and rubber bands around their sleeves and pocket guards with pens and calculators in their shirt pockets[.]” (Really?). Dayton thinks the guys he acquires are good guys to acquire for whatever reason. These are the types of players who will supplement the homegrown guys. Which means we will never, ever, ever win as long as Dayton Moore is the GM.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 10, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Is this actually a direct quote from that book?
"a roomful of sabermetricians with green visors and rubber bands around their sleeves and pocket guards with pens and calculators in their shirt pockets[.]"
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 10, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't have to be from the book to be a direct quote
Just like Frenchy or the Yunibomber can look good to the eye, but not actually be any good at all whatsoever by any measure.
See…….it’s so simple……….doesn’t it just make sense.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 10, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably just thinking about the "saberists" used by the Braves
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Will there ever be an answer?!?!?!?!
Haters gonna hate!
Go Royals, Chiefs and Blues!
by theroyalblues on Dec 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
great snapshot
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
lol polls 50-50
i can’t decide either i mean which one has more grit i think kendall wins in a landslide he plays through injuries and doesn’t tell the team oh wait thats a bad thing oh well i guess thats what makes him a great leader. HE’S OLD!! THAT MEANS HE’S GONNA HELP!
Who cares?!?!
The issue is not which one is the better leader, the issue is which one is is going to hit .290 with 25 HR and 100 RBI. Quite possibly the answer is neither and if that is the case the Royals are not likely to have a successful season.
Is Franceour seriously gonna win this?
I mean yeah, he is currently an excellent leader. One of the best, from what I’ve seen. Top 20 in the league, lets say. In ten years maybe he’ll have Kendall-level leadership. I think he has the makup for that.
But right now? Come on, some of you just aren’t being honest. Adding Kendall was like…..what were the Huns before Attila? A leaderless mob, thats what. At least I assume they were. I don’t know much about them, to tell the truth. Either way, you get my meaning.
I feel like there is a potential problem we’ve overlooked amidst all this high-fiving and back-patting about Franceour. There is such a thing as too much leadership. Just ask the communist party, they’ll tell ya. I think Franceour is a member of that group, actually. That sort of thing gets overlooked for a leader of his caliber. If he was a better player but worse leader like, say, David DeJesus, communist party membership would never be tolerated. The best leaders have always gotten preferential treatment. I heard Julius Caesar used to take baths in gold!
by big matt on Dec 10, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I voted Kendall
Because Frenchy was up by 3! High five?
these three comments just made my night
odd (and lame) as that sounds
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
Kendall and Frenchy have joined in a singularity
Soon their powers will combine and form an object with 1,000,000 times the mass of sun. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth as every object on Earth is inexorably drawn into he field Frendall produces. By day’s end, there will be no clean uniforms left on Earth.
by Narghile on Dec 10, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My HS French
Tells me his name should be pronounced more like Fron-cur. Make of that what you will.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Frog Cur?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I love how 250 votes in, the results are almost completely equal
Just goes to show you can’t measure leadership
batter nine you sucky
My vote just put Kendall ahead by one.
Kendall only winning by one vote? I call bullshit. Voter fraud going on here.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Had to vote Kendall. Frenchy has yet to play a game without his throwing arm.
(Oh yeah, and because Frenchy was 1 up.)
Dayton's an idiot
“His career hasn’t been the script that he envisioned,” Moore conceded, "but he’s been a part of winning, championship teams for his whole life.
That’s like giving credit to Will Perdue for the Bulls championships.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
And when the Bulls traded Perdue
to the Spurs in 1999, what happened with the Spurs?
Answer: CHAMPIONSHIP
Overgay is Destiny
by DCRoyals on Dec 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or 1995
whatever. Point is, Perdue, like Francoeur, was a winning-type player.
He was also a “nice-guy teammate,” according to Skip Bayless. Perdue’s probably a pretty good comp for Jeffypoo, overall
Overgay is Destiny
He's a "winning-type player"
in the sense that he’s played baseball on teams that have won things due in no part to his play.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
He's a "winning-type player"
in the sense that when he goes to Vegas, he plays roulette and wins about half the time.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
This is a complete war!!!!!!!!!!
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
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