Dayton Moore Incompetence Tournament - #3 vs. #14 + Meche
From now on, I'm just going to refer to the Dayton Moore Incompetence Tournament as DMIT. I've got to cut down on my typing workload. Anyway, all of the #1 and #2 seeds made it to the second round, except for the Meche signing and that is still up in the air. So I'm going to list the matchups with a little bit of information about them and then we can vote in the comments. We'll try this and see how it works.
#2 Gil Meche signed a five-year deal vs. #15 John Thompson signed
Dayton Moore signed Gil Meche to a five-year, $55M contract back in December of 2006.
The good:
- Meche had two excellent seasons (4.4 WAR in 2007 and 5.0 WAR in 2008)
The bad:
- Five years, $55M. That's a lot of money and a lot of risk over a long-term contract.
- The deal was almost universally panned by both traditional and sabermetric analysts at the time. They didn't think Meche was that good of a pitcher, and he'd had a significant injury history, and the Royals weren't likely to be in contention over the course of the contract.
- The contract hasn't worked out well for the Royals. Meche performed very well in two lost seasons for the Royals and then performed poorly for two seasons. Now he'll be a reliever with inherently limited value to the team in the fifth year. Were those two excellent seasons really worth a $55M guaranteed commitment? One could argue that there is a hell of a lot of wasted money in that contract.
Back in 2007, the Royals had some injury issues and need a starting pitcher at midseason. Instead of going with some younger, in-house option, Dayton Moore brought in an over-the-hill, sub-mediocre former Brave re-tread John Thompson.
The good:
In two starts, Thompson racked up 0.3 WAR
The bad:
He was a crappy pitcher and his acquisition was pointless and wrong-headed. In a move which would become a pattern for Moore, he chose a crafty veteran who wasn't any good anymore and had once played for the Braves over some younger in-house options who could use a MLB start or two. He could have given someone else a chance; instead he went for an old former Brave.
#3 Willie Bloomquist signed to a two-year deal vs. #14 Roman Colon acquired by trade from the Tigers for a PTBNL (Danny Christensen)
Bloomie signed for 2/$3.1M despite having been a replacement level player. He ends up performing below replacement level for the Royals. Roman Colon was acquired for cheap and ended up pitching like crap for the Royals, but only for 52.1 innings.
#3 J.P. Howell traded for Joey Gathright vs. #14 Josh Anderson acquired by trade
Dayton Moore traded a young pitching prospect with upside for an older OFer whose only skill was speed. Gathright never panned out. Howell turned into an excellent reliever for the Rays. The Royals gave up next to nothing for Anderson and then he had an awful 123 PA's.
#3 Horacio Ramirez signed to a one-year, $1.8M contract vs. #14 Kip Wells signed to a minor league deal and eventually promoted to KC
This is HoRam's second signing. The first one was a minor league deal, where he was eventually called up to the majors and actually performed fairly well as a reliever. The following December, Dayton Moore doubled down and gave HoRam a major league deal for $1.8M. HoRam failed dismally and was DFA'd after only 19 appearances. Kip Wells signed a minor league deal in 2008 and pitched 10.1 crappy innings.
#3 Ross Gload signs a 2-year contract extension vs. #14 Josh Rupe signs a minor league deal and eventually is promoted to KC
After a barely above replacement level 2007 season, Ross Gload was rewarded with a two-year, $3.2M contract extension. He then had an horrific, below replacement level 2008 season and was traded to the Marlins for the 2009 season. KC paid all of his 2009 salary, minus league minimum. Josh Rupe got a minor league deal, was promoted to KC and pitched poorly for 9.2 innings.
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#2 Gil Meche vs. #15 John Thompson [REC TO VOTE FOR MECHE]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions 32 recs
Wait -
I think the John Thompson transaction was worse than the Meche signing. In that case, I want to rec the below option, right?
Yea ≠ Yeah
Yeah, rec the worst of the two transactions
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
You've explained this well, and I get it but...
…in future installments it might make the process easier if the subject lines said something like:
#2 Gil Meche vs. #15 John Thompson [REC IF THE MECHE DEAL WAS WORSE]
by kcemigre on Dec 13, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec (since I can't actually rec my own comment)
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
@banned@
impartial administrator
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 13, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
#2 Gil Meche vs. #15 John Thompson [REC TO VOTE FOR THOMPSON]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 43 recs
#3 Willie Bloomquist vs. #14 Roman Colon [REC TO VOTE FOR BLOOMQUIST]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 59 recs
#3 Willie Bloomquist vs. #14 Roman Colon [REC TO VOTE FOR COLON]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
#3 Howell-Gathright vs. #14 Josh Anderson [REC TO VOTE FOR HOWELL-GATHRIGHT]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 65 recs
Joey Gathright
It must be nice for players like old Joey [and in the days of yore Tom Goodwin] that there are still GMs out there who believe that pigeon-holing players into specific roles based on some mythical roster construction framework. The ways I hate this trade are numerous.
by ajblobaum on Dec 14, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
#3 Howell-Gathright vs. #14 Josh Anderson [REC TO VOTE FOR ANDERSON]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Josh Anderson is my least favorite baseball player of all time...
Yet it still doesn’t overtake the Howell Gathright trade
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden
by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Call me crazy...
….and I know you will, but at the time, I was willing to believe that Gathright might work out.
We were still in the honeymoon, I guess.
I did too at first.
This was back when I only looked at batting averages and not OBP.
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden
by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Count another one
Something about jumping over the car. Or the speed.
Nah, it’s cause he was black.
#3 Horacio Ramirez 2 vs. #14 Kip Wells [REC TO VOTE FOR RAMIREZ]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 57 recs
#3 Horacio Ramirez 2 vs. #14 Kip Wells [REC TO VOTE FOR WELLS]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
believed that ho-ram was ultimately worse
but voted for wells as this shouldn’t be the most lopsided loss. wells was a bad move
batter nine you sucky
#3 Ross Gload vs. #14 Josh Rupe [REC TO VOTE FOR GLOAD]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 63 recs
The Gload extension
was just mind-numbingly stupid. Did DM honestly think Gload was going to be so awesome in 2008 that he should buy out a year of arbitration to save a few bucks? This might take the cake for a move that was: a.) stupid at the time b.) had zero upside and c.) wasted money and d.) completely blew up in his face.
he was gonna explode
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden
by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and
Buddy Bell had a man-crush on “Gloady”!!!!1111
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 13, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think this could possibly be a #1 or #2 seed
It’s not just that Gload was really bad, it’s that he was blocking guys who, if not quite prospects, were at least demonstrating a knack for getting on base at a tremendous clip in AAA. The Gload extension basically ended the careers of Ryan Shealy and (very possibly) Kila Ka’aihue.
batter nine you sucky
#3 Ross Gload vs. #14 Josh Rupe [REC TO VOTE FOR RUPE]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, this one isn't even green yet
And it’s been 12 hours. We really hated the Ross Gload Experience, didn’t we?
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 14, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
My dad doesn't know how to turn a computer on
so he’s obviously not reading, but he LOVED him some Ross Gload. So those guys are out there. They’re probably not reading RR, but they’re out ther.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 21, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
You're probably right
I hated having to look for all those meaningless pitcher acquisitions.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Beautiful and horrible
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
NY - You should use Forms in Google docs, really simple, but no real time results.
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
Yeah, I considered that, though I've never used it before
While a little goofy, the comment rec’s might end up working.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Only negative is I dont think lurkers can vote (rec comments, thought I could be wrong)
Otherwise, there are no secret ballots!
Yeah, I don't think I mind limiting it to people who join RR
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 13, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
So...
the AP crowd is a no go then?
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden
by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Some apparently are RR members too
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I joined RR...
…so can they. “It’s a free country”
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 13, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
It’s like voting in third grade. Everyone put your heads down on the desk and raise your hand to vote. The teacher is the only one who will know who voted for what…
I like the comment voting. The winners turn green and te landslides stay yellow. It’s pretty funny.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 14, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I like it
Haters gonna hate!
Go Royals, Chiefs and Blues!
by theroyalblues on Dec 13, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't you put up each round in one post?
Go Royals!
I could certainly do more than 4 matchups per post
But I wouldn’t put a whole round in one post. Once we get down closer matchups (8-9, 7-8, etc.), I think there will be a fair amount of discussion. It would get unwieldy to have more than a dozen matchups in one post.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I love this voting/playoff thing for GMDM.
There can be only one true screw up. right? RIGHT?
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 13, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions
It's like Highlander
There can be only one. Except there always seems to be more out there, waiting to pop up.
This has photoshop written all over it.
We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden
by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ill put it on my to-do list
Which sometimes gets done
Also a larger version of the bracket. This stuff is serious.
Thompson the worst
record Thompson trade as worst
Record all 3 vs 14s as worst
All 3 number 3 moves move forward for me
DMIT
Or it could be the Dayton “Atlantaphile” Moore Incompetence Tournament (DAMIT).
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 13, 2010 10:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Throw "Nincompoop" in there...
…and you have DAMNIT.
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 13, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Anytime I see bigger than should be money being thrown at a disastor player, that is going to get my vote. I dont mine failure of the league min. variety or better yet minor league.
Proud Founding Memeber of the UPAMTN Fan Club.
by la flama blanca on Dec 14, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
I think for me that is a large percentage of the decision.
When paying for a projection in a live system you will always have problems, it’s whn one blatantly OVER pays for it that it then gets my condemnation of the move.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 14, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess this is what
bloggers do when they don’t have a good team and the prospects for this year are the same,
by BlueBloodRoyal on Dec 14, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
By the way
If I can prove that Dayton Moore’s middle name is Alan or Andy, can we refer to these posts as “DAMIT” instead of “DMIT” ?
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
Oh, Good Lord
you people are GOOD – I didn’t read the comments and didn’t see that Patek to Rojas already beat me to this joke!
Well played, sir!
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
Actually...
I assume that NYRoyal was implying “damn it” from the very beginning…I just embellished it. But thanks.
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 14, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish Dayton Moore's name was Sam Hall
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Then just for you
tomorrow, Dec. 16th, will be “So Happy It’s Thursday” day (in the spirit of TGIF).
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 15, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
What about a Hillman tournament
It could be the “SABRTrey” Hillman Incompetence Tournament.
Wonder what his biggest blunder would be?
Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.
by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 16, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions




















