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DMIT - #4 vs. #13 and #5 vs. #12

Again, vote in the comments for the worst transaction in each matchup.  We'll knock out the four #4 vs. #13 matchups and the four #5 vs. #12 matchups here.


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 #4 Scott Podsednik signs a 1-year contract vs. #13 Bryan Bullington signs a minor league contract and eventually makes it to KC.

Before the 2010 season, Moore signed Podsednik to a one-year $1.75M contract.  It was less than unnecessary, but Pods performed ok.  He was eventually traded for a couple minor leaguers.  Bryan Bullington was signed to a minor league deal, got promoted and pitched poorly for a little while.

 

#4 Rick Ankiel signs a 1-year contract vs. #13 Horacio Ramirez signs a minor league contract and eventually makes it to KC.

Before the 2010 season, Moore signed Ankiel to a one-year $3.25M contract.  It was less than unnecessary, foolishly expensive, and he was promised to start at his worst position.  He was injured a lot, and didn't play very well.  Eventually he and Farnsworth were traded for one decent prospect and some scraps.  Before the 2008 season, HoRam was signed to a minor league deal, was promoted to KC and actually performed pretty well as a reliever before being traded for Paulo Orlando.

 

#4 Jeff Francoeur signs a 1-year contract with a mutual option vs. #13 Ned Yost hired as Royals manager.

Moore signed Francoeur to a one-year $2.5M contract plus a mutual option for $4M.  Enough said.  During the 2010 season, Moore fired Hillman and hired Yost.  You either like him or you don't like him, or you really don't like him.

 

#4 Trey Hillman hired as Royals manager vs. #13 John Bale re-signed to a 1-year contract.

After Buddy Bell was fired, Moore hired Trey Hillman.  He didn't play the right players, he liked small ball and he overused some pitchers.  He wasn't good.  After a not so great 2008 season, Moore re-signed Bale to a one-year $1.2M contract.  The signing was defensible based on Bale's peripherals, but he didn't perform well the following season.

 

#5 Sidney Ponson signs minor league deal and is eventually promoted to KC vs. #12 Gaby Hernandez claimed off of waivers and is eventually promoted to KC

Going into the 2009 season, Dayton Moore thought the Royals rotation needed a veteran presence.  So he dragged Sidney Ponson off of the scrap heap of baseball history and quickly slipped him into the Royals rotation.  He really stunk and was eventually DFA'd.  Gaby's stay in KC was cheap, brief and ugly.

 

#5 Ramon Ramirez traded to for Coco Crisp vs. #12 PTBNL traded for Luis Mendoza

Moore traded Ramirez coming off a great season for Coco Crisp, his contract and his fragile body.  Crisp was pretty good for the brief period he was healthy, but spent most of the season on the DL.  Luis's stay in KC was cheap, brief and ugly.

 

#5 Ron Mahay signs a two-year contract vs. #12 Hideo Nomo signs a minor league deal and is eventually promoted to KC.

Mahay was an overrated, aged LHP and Moore gave him too much money and too many years.  He performed well for half a season and then tore his plantar fascia and stunk for the remainder of his contrct.  Nomo was an ill-advised signing, followed by an ill-advised promotion to KC.  The good news is that he only pitched 4.1 innings.

 

#5 Jeff Keppinger traded for Russ Haltiwanger vs. #12 Lenny DiNardo signs a minor league contract and is eventually promoted to KC.

Keppinger made a wise trade to acquire Keppinger for Ruben Gotay.  After a brief stint in KC, Moore then gave him away for a crappy prospect.  Now there wasn't much reason to be optimistic about Keppinger's prospects, but Moore really screwed up becaue Keppinger turned into an all-hit, no-defense middle IFer who has been pretty good, albeit inconsistent in the majors since then.  Dinardo is another crappy pitcher signed to a minor league deal who ended up pitching too much in KC.

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pretty sure Gaby was never in KC.

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by doublestix on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

#3 seed?!!??!!

Yeah, that’s fair.

Good work all around on this project. At the end, be sure to put up the Dayton Moore Competency Tournament, which should be a lot easier, as it would feature Soria Rule 5 Pick and Greinke Extension as Number One seeds and 62 “Byes.”

by Gopherballs on Dec 14, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hell of a lot better than not doing anything...

he’d have been cliff leeing it this offseason

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Dec 15, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Moore could have gotten club option years and he just passed?

I think Moore did very well to get what he could get. He got a couple FA years out of Greinke for way under market value. I mean, I wish he could have gotten several club option years at $1M per but Greinke and his agent aren’t retarded.

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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's 4

1) Soria Rule 5 Selection vs. 4) Brian Bannister for Ambiorix Burgos
2) Greinke Extension vs. 3) Soria Extension

The Podsednik and Ankiel/Farnsworth trades could possibly be good depending of future developments.

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 15, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

ram ram for cash considerations

callaspo for buckner, german for nothing i believe, etc…theres been a bunch

that being said, you wouldnt be able to fill outa 64 team bracket…for sure

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Dec 15, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

German

Was acquired in Baird’s last Rule 5 draft (2005)—the Royals drafted the Rangers’ preferred player with the first pick and then traded for the 2B of the future (and then almost immediately signed Grudz). Of course, Dan Uggla was selected later in that same draft (sigh).

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 15, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Few more

Betemit, Several draft picks (Not first rounders, Myers, Monty, etc), …?

by Boots 58 on Dec 15, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The rule said

draft selections didn’t count, which is fair, as no one doubts Moore et al.‘s ability to identify good amateur talent. That makes him a great scouting coordinator. He’s not our scouting coordinator, he’s our GM.

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 15, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually went for the "favorite" for each of these

I dont think many of these will last too long though. Other than Frenchie.

by Boots 58 on Dec 14, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

I voted Mendoza...

Because he is the most useless pitcher I have ever seen… And I was at Elartons last game

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden

by averagegatsby on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Mendoza was horrible

I almost went that way, but I like that we try out several relief pitchers. If only we selected the correct ones, one of which was certainly not Mendoza

by Boots 58 on Dec 14, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Any time you can acquire a pitcher with a career era over 8

YOU DO IT!!!

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden

by averagegatsby on Dec 14, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

it is a tool, I guess

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Dec 14, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never actually heard of any of

Jeff Keppinger, Russ Haltiwanger, or Lenny DiNardo. I hope they’re happy, wherever they are.

"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947

by Juancho on Dec 14, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

How is the Frenchy signing a #4 seed and DDJ trade a #1?

I’m not complaining at all because of the work that went into this whole proposition, but really? They’re both pretty fresh and I think the Frenchy deal is Ankiel part deux.

The prophecy has been fulfilled.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 14, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

There must be a lot of lingering hate for Hideo Nomo

Or Ron Mahay’s two good months due to good luck on his home run rate created such a lasting impression that many overlook that Mahay was paid nearly as much as Farnsworth yet was considerably worse.

by Gopherballs on Dec 14, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

At least Mahay got a few hitters out

Nomo’s most useful contribution was helping Yabuta order his dinner.

Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.

by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 14, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Nomo thing was just a sign

That this organization values weird intangible things other than “This guy is a good baseball player.” That they then let him start regular season games was criminal.

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

mahay was a beast

up until the trade deadline of that first season.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He pitched as well as anyone could hope

That would have been a great time to flip him for a prospect.

Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.

by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 15, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But he's much better now

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 15, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Why was HoRam's minor league deal a bad move?

It got us a 24 innings of decent relief work and a good prospect.

by RoyalKila on Dec 14, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

I might agree with your reasoning there,

but you have that signing on you bracket as well. This was a minor league deal that turned out as well as anyone could have hoped and I think DM deserves credit for it.

by RoyalKila on Dec 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Voted against Yost

Simply because we dunno what WE have in Frenchy yet. He’s been nailed to the cross based on his RECENT past, but his RECENT RECENT past shows upside. I mean, all these times you hear players make excuse after excuse for how poor they played but not often does a player OWN it..he kinda did at his presser and I am game to see what we have for a half season with him. maybe full season if he walks away as a B-ranked player (last years stats count in with this years)…pretty sure I read this on Rany.

Anyways, back to my topic…i voted on Yost being a worse move…because Dayton plugged in “his boy”…no interviews. no possibility of getting someone top of the line. Just interim tag, then whammo..removes it. tailor made. Wasn’t happy about it AT THE TIME….but am ok with Yost now.

by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Dec 14, 2010 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

[drink]

Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 14, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Upsets

So far it looks like most people don’t think a transaction was bad if the player had a 2-3 good months, regardless of how much money or talent (in trade) was wasted on the player. And if that player is up against a player that sucked but was only a Royal for a handful of games and made league minimum, the latter player is going to get more votes. It kind of seems like people aren’t realizing the importance of wasted millions and how sucking for longer periods of time is worse than sucking for shorter periods of time.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I know you know the rule

against campaigning in a polling place.

Or is it against carpooling in a parking space? I forget.

by 2X2L on Dec 15, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This place has no rules

It’s like Thunderdome without the violence.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No parking spaces either

which maybe makes it like The Plaza during a parade?

by 2X2L on Dec 15, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

TWO MEN ENTER! ONE MAN LEAVES!

The only question is who is Master Blaster here at RR?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 15, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

I am putting more emphasis on what was known at the time of the transaction itself than how it eventually worked out. Stuff happens. While Mahay was older, I don’t recall him otherwise being a bad injury risk, and that foot injury really did wreck what had been a good 2008. You can have a general objection to ever spending that kind of money on the bullpen or on veterans of a certain age, but that doesn’t mean you always have to conclude that that kind of deal was the worse of any given two. As I said above, I hated the Nomo thing because it was a publicity stunt, not a real baseball decision, and it showed that Moore and Hillman cared more about other things than having the most competitive team you could have. That to me was worse than spending too much money on Ron Mahay.

I probably agreed with you on the other “upsets,” so I have no interest in defending them. But, even for those who were "wrong "about those, I defend their use of other legitimate criteria for evaluating a transaction other than “it cost too much money.”

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 15, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

NY, thanks a LOT for putting this together

even though I think we’re being too hard on Moore and I still have some hope, this has been wildly entertaining and I can’t wait to see how it turns out. Thanks again,

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 14, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

How in the hell did Mahay get upset?

he put up an amazing 0.2 fWAR for the low low price of 8 million.

The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman

by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Dec 15, 2010 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

Everybody forgets about his price tag.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why he got that high of a seed

1. $8M
2. An old reliever past his prime.
3. Rebuilding team that had no business spending millions on a middle reliever.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it is the level of suckage.

Mahay silently sucked (and still does), but Mendoza was predictably going to blow the game every single time out there and they still trotted his sorry ass out to the mound. See averagegatsby’s post above. Worse than Elarton. And Elarton set the bar for horrible Royals pitchers. We wanted Ron Mahay to go away after the season. We wanted Mendoza to get struck by lightning on the mound. I think that’s the reason for the upset.

I started out with nothing and I still have most of it.
-- Source Unknown

by royaldaddy on Dec 15, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

But Mendoza was there for 4 innings and it only cost pennies. The damage Mahay did was far greater, and he cost millions.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That may be...

But at least Mahay was capable of being decent probably not 8 million decent, but when has Mendoza ever shown that he should be anything other than a beer league underhand floater.

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden

by averagegatsby on Dec 15, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Mendoza is just one of the cheap guys you take a flier on, give them a quick dip and quickly jettison

Every team has some of them every season. But as long as they are dirty cheap and aren’t left on the roster to do much damage, it’s no big deal. However when a pitcher is given millions and is left on a roster for two years, that does a ton more damage.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Trading Mahay

At the deadline was the big mistake. That should be a separate vote. He was very good until his injury. Mendoza was just an inconsequential mistake, but he was so bad it’s hard to understand a scout thinking he was anything of value.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 15, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Mendoza was so awful

that he has to be the starting pitcher in the Röyals vs. Over-90 All-Stars game. Musial would take him deep.

"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947

by Juancho on Dec 16, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Albie Lopez

set the bar for horrible Royals pitchers.

Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.

by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 15, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I switched my vote...

though it doesn’t look like it matters.

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars... But we wont, and we're slowly learning that fact... and we're very very pissed off --- Tyler Durden

by averagegatsby on Dec 15, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's acceptable...

but if dead people start voting like they do in Miami, we might have to start an investigation!!!1

Look on the bright side...we could be Pirates fans.

by Patek to Rojas to Mayberry on Dec 15, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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