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Trade Grade - Greinke: B

 

I'm going to say it, I like the Zack Greinke trade.  I don't just tolerate it, I like it.  I may even come to like a lot.  It's not the trade I liked the most out of the litany of transactions tossed around the rumor mills, but who knows how many (if any) of those were even close to being reality. 

First, let's not kid ourself.  Zack Greinke wanted out, and he wanted out now.  Even if you don't believe the reports that he formally asked Dayton for a trade last week, anyone who still held out hope that he was going to stick around and be 2009 Zack Greinke, let alone re-sign, is delusional.   If disinterested Zack underwhelmed again in 2011, which I have no reason to believe he wouldn't, he would've made 2009 look even more like a fluke than it already does and lowered his stock significantly.  Yes, he could've pitched better in 2011 than he did in 2010, but I find it unlikely and even if he did, for what?  How much MORE could we have got in return in July and was it worth the risk?  In my opinion, it was not.  We didn't HAVE to trade him this offseason, but really it was best that we did.   When I defended the DeJesus trade, I granted that the timing was suspect and that there was a good chance if we waited until after Werth signed his ridiculous contract, we may have been able to get a tick better prospect.  I don't feel that to be the case here.  This was the time to trade Zack Greinke.

Now to the players.  Some will argue Dayton was too obsessed with getting particular positions in return for Zack.  This is understandable given the Carlos Beltran trade, but Melligner argued this point quite well in a recent blog.  We are in a different position as an organization than we were when we shipped Carlos Beltran. Would you rather the Royals have acquired a more highly touted prospect that played 1B/DH?  3B?  A left-handed starter?  Of course not, because that would be ridiculous.  When we traded Beltran the cupboard was bare from top to bottom.  There was no reason to limit yourself by position because there was no one to block.  Now there is.

Even so, what beef could you have with the haul the Royals received?  Four players under 24, three of whom have major league experience already.  Even without factoring progression of these players over the next several years, this is an upgrade for the Royals (excluding of course at SP, but that was inevitable - we were never going to get an upgrade at SP out of this trade).  Escobar struggled offensively after getting full-time duty in 2010, but put up strong numbers in limited time in 2009 and has respectable minor-league numbers (.293/.333/.373).  He turned 24 on Thursday and is a well-regarded defender.  Did I mention we get rid of Yuniesky Betancourt?

Lorenzo Cain put up very impressive numbers in limited plate appearances for Milwaukee last season (.306/.348/.415) and had an OPS+ of 107 and those numbers are fairly close to his minor league line of .296/.366/.414).  He'll 24 this season and is also regarded as a capable defender.   This would not be an upgrade but a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade to anything in the Royals system.  If he posts anything close to these numbers over the long term it will better than even the most optimistic projections of anyone in the group of Jarrod Dyson, Gregor Blanco, Paulo Orlando and Derrick Robinson

Jeremy Jeffres is a righty and will be 23 all of next season and was a September call-up for the Brewers in 2010, posting respectable numbers in 10 relief innings.  Like so many prospects, he has high strikeout totals (10.6/9) but also high walks (5.5/9) in the minors but has a career 3.99 ERA in 306 2/3 minor league innings.

Jake Odorizzi  is another righty who turns 21 in March and was the 32nd overall pick in the 2008 draft.  He spent last season in A-ball and threw 120 2/3 innings over 23 games (20 starts).  He had a 3.43 ERA, a solid 1.15 WHIP.  More importantly, over his career he is averaging only 2.8 BB/9 and boasts a SO/BB ratio of 3.38.  

This trade is not an A+, by any means, but trades rarely are.  The whole part where you have to find someone to AGREE to the trade usually means you aren't going to rob someone blind.  General Managers, contrary to what you read on the internet, generally do not get where they are by being stupid.  We can throw around hyperbole and armchair quarterback all we want, but at the end of the day another human being (or 10) with competing interests has to agree to the deal.  All in all, I give this trade a solid B.   

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I can respect that..

We didn’t hit a home run like we hoped we would…

but it was a triple off the wall …even though i harshly over-reacted at the start. I saw the pieces in place come 2012 with our other studs and it clicked that Dayton did good. not GREAT…but i will take the trip off the wall and a runner in scoring position as opposed to a whiff.

by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Dec 19, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Escobar will have a nervous breakdown

when he finds out there’s no one to field at third and 2nd next year. His fielding, already erratic last year, figures to crater next year

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Dec 20, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

ALL IS DOOMED!!!!!!!!

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

next year?

pretty much

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Dec 20, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

FOREVER!!!!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to play poker with Dayton Moore

I have a feeling he’d be paying for my kids’ college fund by the end of the year

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Dec 20, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

wanna

bet?

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Dec 20, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on the view of the trade.

By all that I read today (and I mean several hours on several blogs and written articles), Grienke:

1) …asked to be traded after signing with a new agency. Even if he decided to stay, there’s no reason to keep him here in 2011, and 2012 might not be enough to convince him to stay longer if, surprisingly, he decided to stay.
2) …has a general group consensus that his trade value would decline once he realized he’s playing for an even more godawful team than last year. The only one who believes entirely in the opposite direction is Posnanski, which I’m have a hard time understanding how.
3) …declined a better deal from the Nationals and several other teams weren’t meeting our demands or weren’t interested

There could have been a better deal out there, but I bet if it did exist it wasn’t a whole lot better. We “probably” did as well as we could given the circumstances. I’m excited to watch this new group develop (good or bad). Way more so than watching Yuni suck everyday.

MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?

by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

B is a good way to describe it

Its not a Texeira-type deal, but its better than the Dan Haren deal last year.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

This trade will decide GMDM's fate...

Opinion on RR has pretty much solidified on Moore is Less… if the suck is on full force in 2012 and none of these pieces have developed even the SABRphobes will want blood.

The greatest moment of my childhood was when [insert name] did [insert insane thing].

by 2motley4thetitle on Dec 20, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Rany had pretty

much the same view point on his blog. I don’t mind DMGM being fixated on specific positions in this deal. I think B is a fair grade for this trade.

by don_jerovanni on Dec 20, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

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