MLB Winter Meetings Day Three: Zack Greinke Rumors Continue, Jeff Francoeur Talk Slows Down, Michael Young Reportedly Shopped
by Freneau on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 AM EST
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- The Greinke rumors continued, but with an unclear direction. Early in the day, the buzz/leaked comments were all about nothing happening and the Royals generally asking too much. (Or however you want to interpret that.) There was also a new wave of "no way he wants to come to the East Coast" talk. Then, later in the day, that shifted to word of continued talks and more possibilities.
- The Francoeur talk went nowhere, in terms of the Royals. I know this is going to be dead wrong, but I'm starting to think that, from Francoeur's end, he really had/has little desire to come to KC. It might also be possible that the Royals like Francoeur at a certain price point, but not at what is currently presumed to be out there. Or, it's still 90% that he's coming to KC, and Francoeur's agent has been adept at spreading the word that multiple teams like him. Then again, I bet Ruben Amaro does want him.
- And since we're required to have an eye on the Rangers at all times, the web was aflutter as the sun start to drop that Texas was shopping Michael Young. I'd make a joke that the only team that would want Young in a trade would be the Royals or the Phillies, but that would just be piling on.
Many links (before and after the jump):
- Royals Prospects " Possible Rule 5 Guys
- Winter Meetings notes: Royals willing to deal Greinke in division - KansasCity.com
- Northwest Arkansas Naturals Baseball America’s Team of the Year | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
- Royalscentricity: Why am I still rooting for these Royals?
- Yost points to next season as 'pivotal year’ in Royals’ turnaround - KansasCity.com
- Royals Kingdom: Hello from the Winter Meetings
- Grant: Not signing Cliff Lee and/or Zack Greinke doesn't mean Rangers can't compete | Texas Rangers Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | The Dallas Morning News
- Hot Stove Tracker: Royals haven't found the right deal for Zack Greinke yet - MLB - Sporting News
- The Nationals inquired about Zack Greinke | HardballTalk
- In Lake Buena Vista, the waiting is the hardest part - Baseball Wires - MiamiHerald.com
- Full Count " Hot Stove roundup, 4 p.m.: Teams offering more for Greinke?
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Dear Dayton,
Please wait until Cliff Lee has signed before you make any deals involving Zack.
Please do not pay any attention to any media reports that don’t jive with what somebody has told you to your face.
Please do not sign Jeff Francoeur.
Or obtain Michael Young.
Or, whatever you do, for God’s sake, don’t re-sign Scotty Pods, Bloomy, Ankiel, Jake, or Farnsy.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
Probably more accurate to say
Please don’t obtain Michael Young’s Contract.
Although Young is getting to the age that, even if the Rangers ate a huge portion of the contract, he would be unlikely to help the Royals during this heavily anticipated “Contention Time” I keep hearing about.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if this was posted else where, but Diaz signs with Pirates
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/diaz-to-pittsburgh/
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4.25? Wish the Royals would've done that instead of the 2/8 they are gonna give Frenchy
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DJ Carrasco to the Mets
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2010/12/7/1862663/dj-carrasco-mets-contract-sign-pitcher
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Carlos Pena to the Cubs
1 yr $10 mill. Very good deal for them.
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Does that get them back on the Greinke talks?
I heard they made an offer during the season…. That was centered around Brett Jackson.
I don't know their system real well
But I would guess they don’t have the prospects to pull it off.
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weak system Brett Jackson the only real commodity
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Why is GMDM holding up the return the Pad's got for A-Gon as a good example?
maybe its just me, but it seems like the Pad’s failed on that one….none of the BoSox big name prospects, etc….if KC gets that kind of return for Greinke, I’ll be crushed. Secondly, saw Rays manager Joe Maddon on MLB’s hot stove show last nite…..he deserves trendy glasses. Articulate, intelligent, engaging…..he was tossing out wine suggestions at the end of the interview. And then I thought of our very own Neddy…..friends with Jeff Foxworthy. What a rube by comparison. Unfortunately, the analogy is apt for the current state of the overal orgs as well….Rays = Macy’s, Royals = Wal Mart.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions
I agree with you on this. And I don't know if it's accurate.
Because it sounds like the Royals want more than what the Padres got (keep in mind they got 4 players…. ). And it’s been leaked what we want… and that is more than what the Pad’s got…
that's pretty weak
really, because one guy is apparently a high-society metrosexual and the other is more down to earth? come on…
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
"none of the BoSox big name prospects, etc…"
????
SD received Boston’s #1, #3, and #6 ranked prospects.
I based my opinion off the Baseball Prospectus analysis of trade from Christina Kahrl.....
and the rube Yost vs sophisticate Maddon on common sense and a sense of culture.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 9, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't necessarily agree with the criticism of Yost
But I do have a man-crush on Joe Maddon.
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The glasses do it for me.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
they got the sox 1,3 and 6 prospects....
kelly is in the same range on prospect lists as all of our top pitchers
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell's wrong with Jeff Foxworthy?
You do realize that this team is located in Kansas City, right? This isn’t Saint Louis. Blue collar folks, farmers, etc… That sorta thing. Clint Eastwood movies and beer. Not wine and trendy glasses.
"2010: The year Mizzou gets over the hump. The year the Chiefs show the NFL that they're back. And the year Dayton Moore signs some washed up has been or never was to return us to the glory of the Royals not losing 100 in 2011."
by royaldaddy on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rutabaga,
Rutabaga,
Rutabaga, Rutabaga,
Rutabay-y-y-y…
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
....bay-y-y-y,
bayyyy
Overbayyy
Overbay, Overbay, Overbay!!!
Destinay!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
This has kind of become an annoying meme of itself
But what’s the over/under on Greinke/Frenchie fanshot/posts today?
My gut tells me 4.5 is a good number.
I saw
I was thinking of countering with a “Top 5 teams not interested in Greinke” post. It took supreme willpower to stop
I'm thining of doing a you compse the trade deal.
Posting a teams top 20 and young players… then having people put together the trade.
Starting with…… the RaNgErS!
Lol… You think it would be a hit? :)
I Liked Compsing
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I would be pissed, but not surprised at all
He was one of only 4 Royal’s Players taken in a recent fantasy draft.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'd feel good for Mike
to finally go to an organization that values him.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
As if his playing "skills" weren't enough, Francoeur shouldn't be acquired because he's not a real American
- His Nickname is “Frenchy”
- I’ve never seen his birth certificate. ’nuff said.
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If he signs here
He will change his name to Jeff Freedom.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I Blame Canada
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Blame St Pierre and Miquelon
The last bastion of the French empire in North America.
I bet Jeffy boy vacations there every year.
Guadaloupe and Martinique are also North America
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
A little humor for you
One of my students yesterday (a Freshman) asked me the following question:
Coach, what is Obama’s last name?
After a few minutes of stunned silence, one of my kids answered Barrack.
I thought it was O. Bama
I forget what the O stands for.
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No, It's O'Bama
Black Irish.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Nationals really slowed down these meetings.
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A Good High School Baseball Site to check out Missouri
PrepBaseball Reports – Missouri
btw, District assignments/classes come out tomorrow….
Any rumors on your new conference's TV deal yet?
I don’t think TCU to the Big East is official yet. Maybe you can steal them away with a good enough offer.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Keith Law- Rangers said price too high on Greinke.
I think that means they aren’t will to part with Martin Perez and the Royals are standing firm that he has to be included. Thank you because I wasn’t excited about the Hunter-Holland combo.
Perez-Holland-Profar or pass
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Maybe we can send them Mendoza back as part of the trade
Maybe we can send them Mendoza back as part of the trade
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Really makes no sense
In all likelihood, Lee is heading to NYY.
Texas is built to win now and needs to replace Lee’s position at the top of the rotation to really push for a WS.
And the holdup to doing this is not including a 19 year old pitcher that put up a 6.00 ERA in AA?
Rotoball looks out the Royals Outfield
http://www.rotohardball.com/2010/12/8/1861528/royals-fantasy-focus-any-worthy-outfielders#storyjump
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I voted no
But maybe I’d take a flier on Gordon in a deep league. I’d be happy with his 2011 Bill James projection for the Royals’ sake.
I guess I am only in deep leagues and anyone with any value gets taken
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
That lineup is looking good.
I really want o break out my WAR calculator, but I will wait until the meeting are over.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
The deal looked good to me at first
I have Konerko being a +23/700 hitter next season, but then I looked at his defensive numbers from the past season. Everyone says he was awful. Now, all defensive stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially at first base, and especially in a one season sample, but it was really scary. Still, the Sox probably didn’t go too nuts here, and there is deferred money.
Konerko might have really hurt his chances on the market when he (or is agent or someone) said they’d give Chicago a chance to match any offer.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Does the deferred comp come up very often?
Basically pays Konerko $1M a year through age 44 after the three-year deal is up. If you are wise as a player and manage your money correctly, you’d probably make more by bearing interest on the lump sum throughout those years, but it’s also nice to have a guaranteed stream of income for a while, especially if you just want to go hunt/fish and be with your family after your playing career is over.
Well, if Konerko really sucks at 1B
then they can always put Dunn there. That should help.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Konerko In LF,
Dunn in RF, pitching staff swinging from a shower curtain rod.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal tweets:
Source: #Royals getting close with Francoeur. One year deal, club option possible. #Mets #MLB
^yep
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Translated
Club option possible = club option definite = effectively a two-year deal.
So I’m guess 1/5 with an option for the second year at $6 5.M
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
why is your head exploding we all knew it would happen
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I really didn't think it would happen
thought it was more media driven due to the Atl connection.
God this sucks.
yeah the evil ol' media is always out to get Dayton Moore
despite his long track record of well-thought out, rational free agent signings
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yes all potential FA/trade ideas from the media come to fruition
and DM has signed every FA that has ever had an Atlanta connection.
hard to beat the Podzilla signing
but darn close
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Oh no.
The Royals are getting close on a deal with outfielder Jeff Francoeur, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. He says it’s a one-year deal and a club option is possible.
The Royals blogospher has just pre-exploded
This is the mini-explosion before the big explosion when he signs.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Especially because we know the deal will be much worse than initially reported/thought
See, e.g., Farnsworth, K.; Kendall, J.
We Have To
Overpay and give the extra year to attract talent like Frogger
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Really, in this day and age of the media
MLB Network should have a little segment where they have 3-4 potential contracts drafted up, sitting on a table, with each new team’s hat sitting next to one. They would have a camera on Francoeur, pen in hand, and cameras showing sports bars/webcams of each team’s fans. It would be great to capture the reaction from each fanbase as Frenchy goes to sign. 3 scenes of joy/relief, 1 of heads exploding, things being thrown, etc. = Great TV.
Sadly, this would never happen.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe almost half of the voters on the "Will the Royals sign Francoeur Poll" voted 'No'
I hope this brings them closer to reality.
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2-3 years
6 to 10 per year
Maybe we should do a series of polls on it.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
2/6
I originally thought 2/8 but Diaz should’ve lowered that
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2/7
Agreed that Diaz set the market for crappy right-handed outfielders. DM will overpay compared to the Diaz deal, but not as much as we think. I’m going 2/7: $3M in ’11, $4M in ’12, and club option for ’13 @ $5.5M with a $500k buyout.
We always bid over the market though
So I wouldn’t be shocked to see $5MM per.
Weeks ago, I predicted 2/10 plus a mutual option for a third year
But if the above report is correct, I’ll guess 1/5 + a CO for $6.5M
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Those sound reasonable, I just usually add 2 million and year onto every Dayton deal
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
For crappy players, I try to add at least 40% over market value
Anywhere elase, I’m guessing Francoeur is a 1/3 player (and that is for the few teams that might be interested in him).
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I Would Gladly
Pay him that (with Glass’s money, of course) to drink colorful cocktails with umbrellas in them somewhere warm for a year or two, as long as I didn’t have to watch him play.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
About freaking time
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
stix with a good point at least he'll be here next season in total sucktitude
Team is beyond horrible 55-65 wins. GMDM gets fired and a new smart GM is brought in right as the young talented kids come up.
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He'll definitely help get a Top 5 draft pick maybe even #1
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Yeah, I don't think even a 125 loss season would get DM fired. Everyone knows the only shot for this team is the kids coming up.
If a bunch of top prospects fail, Dayton is gone, but that will take a few years to pan out.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
stix is only hopeful that this is one of those things we knew would happen
and will be a one and done deal. like Jacobs.
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Barring a career ending injury, what are the odds that his club option is picked up?
I’d say in excess of 95%. Of course I’m hopeful that I’m wrong.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
he was in love with jacobs and it took less than a season to fall out of love....
so, maybe theres hope?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
But I think he’s going to be spending more money on Francoeur, but we’ll see.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt give up nunez though...
so thats gotta be worth an extra million or two
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Frenchy is going to be good trade fodder
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
He might be
On July 31, 2012, after 1 2/3 awful seasons of full-time play and masterful grittiness. The Royals will get an exciting pitcher with the potential to be come a decent #5 starter (but more likely to become an utter failure in the majors).
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, It Could
Be far worse, given Moore’s stated desire to have this RH POWERBAT! around when the kids start to come up. Even if we’re subjected to him through 2012, the actual damage is minimal.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
But the damage to my soul is significant
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
True, Because What
It says about Moore is worse than what’s going to happen on the field, and that’s going to be godawful.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
This kind of shit is why I still don't think the Royals will get to the playoffs even when all of the good prospects are in KC
They won’t all succeed, and DM will have to surround them with other players who can contribute. And Yuni, Kendall, Pods, Ankiel, Francenshit, Guillen, Bloomquist are the kinds of ML players Moore likes.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
she has big cans, Frenchy supposedly has a cannon?
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They really aren't very big
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
What she lacks in breast size she more than makes up for in brain power
Has anyone ever seen her on G4? Chick cannot read the prompter to save her life. But yes I definitely would hit that.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
they'll do
thank you very much
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
too bad we couldn't turn this hype back on Minaya
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How about a little comparison between Francoeur and Podsednik?
That would be an interesting post.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
See now thats a challenge I can get behind
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
Here's a simple breakdown between the two, with a couple of nice little charts
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApuhyGnakKNBdEVZUW94S21CNUJVdEJOQ1FZMVlYT3c&hl=en
Nothing fancy, it is interesting to note how eerily similar their careers have been.
Oh and almost all of Francouers defensive value stems from his arm, so odds are even more balls will drop with Frenchy out there instead of Pods.
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
Very nice
But I saw no column reflecting contrasting levels of dogshittiness. Please revise and repost.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
updated to reflect levels of dogshittiness
Surprising results to be sure.
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
I couldn't do it
My incessant weeping would short out my laptop.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
There's Our Answer
For CF!
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly why I want to read NYRoyal's Francoeur vs. Podsednik post
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps I could manage a Dogshit vs. Horseshit post. Probably more of a fanshot though.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
The kind that gets stuck to your shoe and you can never get it off of you and so you are surrounded by its stink wherever you go
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Until you finally just give up and throw out the pair of shoes
after you spent way too much money on them and got very little use from them.
An appropriate analogy.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
And Dayton Moore
Is that damn rascal that keeps lighting bags of dog poop and leaving them on our door step.
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simple and straight to the point
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yet complex, nutty, then slightly peaty
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Could You Condense
That a little? It’s kind of wordy.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, that is officially my new nickname for Francoeur
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
We Can Only
Hope it sticks, and he stumbles across this blog somehow.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
On the bright side
with Kendall injured and prime Yuni bashing period behind us (due mostly to boredom with the topic) we now have a new symbol of DM’s ineptitude to focus on for 2011.
That is a genuine positive
Yuni bashing is getting tired. It is more appropriate than ever, but I’m bored with it.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
When you put those three together...
Good God.
What were Francoeur's stats last year with the Rangers?
Can he even handle AL pitching?
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
iirc
he wasn’t bad, because they used him in a platoon role. the optimist in me is still hoping that that’s a possibility here, but the realist in me is laughing at the optimist.
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by doublestix on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He hit well with the Rangers
I wish that meant more than it does.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Good, but it was a platoon.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4792&position=OF
remember to show partial season
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
How bad will Frenchy's numbers be in a ROYAL line up.
195/245/335. That is a legitimate guess on my part.
He will be flirting with the Mendoza line all season
But his grit and arm will get him through. And I just threw up all over myself at work.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Frenchy is my fault
I didn’t have a post ready to go, which would have reverse jinxed it. My bad.
My projection spit out .259/.307/.399, although that doesn’t take into account parks/league. I’ thinking the Mets park probably cancels out the NL pitching, though.
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Just looked.
2005 to 2007 = 8 WAR
2008 to 2010 = 0 WAR
it is nice to see him improving now that he is entering his prime production years.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He's slid right into the Dayton Moore groove
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly you're forgetting all of those LHP's Francenshit is going to face in the AL Central
That changes everything
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Kenny Williams is considering trading Jon Danks for Jose Lopez as we speak
Francisco Liriano is considering retirement.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Lee, CC Sabbathia, Johan Santana
All played in the AL Central around 2005. Which we know is Dayton’s gold standard year…
okay, gotta save the rest of my material
Hopefully Francoeur mess up the deal by demanding the Royals become a Delta team while I’m eating lunch.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
When will there be the first "Don't hate Francoeur. He's just doing his best. Hate Moore for signing him and Yost for playing him" post?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget "how can you say he'll suck before he's even taken an at-bat in a Royals uniform."
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, that one will come sooner and more frequently
It might be April before the “don’t hate the player” post.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait til he's hittting .308 after two weeks
And we get the Mellinger “Franceour proving doubters wrong” column.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Terrence Mann?
I wish I could beat Francoeur with a bat until he went away. Moore, too, for that matter.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Frenchy made this himself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0gvVPmC_9ao#!
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Well, back in a couple of hours, I am sure Frenchy will be a Royal by then
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
get out while you still can. RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Who loses playing time to accomodate Frenchy? Gordon or one of the no-hit speedy guys?
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Mitch Will Be
DFA’d before ST.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
As much as one has a right to expect the worst, stupidest decisions
I think Gordon is a fixture in LF at least for a few months. If he’s an utter failure, then things coulc change. And I think Francenshit is a fixture in RF. And then a speedy guy or three play in RF (I wish they could all play there at the same time).
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
So Gordon-speedy no-hit guy rotation-Frenchy is our outfield you think?
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Probably not really a CF rotation, but more of a trial and error. They give one guy the job for a month, he fails, go to the next guy. Again and again.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
MITCH will succeed
With regular ABs. Yeah, his upside is an average guy, but that makes him better than anyone we got.
I think Maier will get the least shot of any of them
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
maier's already gotten a shot....
he’s a 4th OF. i want dyson and his defense out there for the next couple of years
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Gathwrong
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. The problem is that Maier is better than Francoeur
(if stats matter)
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I have a hunch one of Blanco or Maier does not survive spring training
My guess would be Maier. If they are serious about Dyson starting in CF, one of them will definitely have to go
See Above
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's how I see it panning out
with Mitch seeing the greatest decrease in PT
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FWIW, Bill James
2011 .267 .318 .425 .320 wOBA
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Power on the corners
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Bill James projection system is notoriously optimistic. Even still, that would still be pretty bad for a right fielder with bad defense though.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
James has a .355 wOBA for Alex too. A little too optimistic on both
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I Hold Out
More hope for Gordon based on his last half of ’07 and ’08 performance. This should be his first completely healthy season since then.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Guillen
2010 .255 / .314 / .429 (Royals time only) and .321 wOBA (for combined 2010 season).
Have to replace that stick in the lineup, looks like Francouer is a perfect fit.
am i the only one who doesnt really mind us signing francouer
as long as its not a ridiculous contract? It stops DM from making a really really dumb, franchise killing Jogui part 2 signing.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions
No one minds that
The real question is whether it’s possible for a major league contract for Frenchy not to be ridiculous.
Yeah, this is the same problem as with the Pods and Ankiel signings
He’s a less than 1 WAR player. You can pick up that crap off of the scrap heap for free. Hell Mitch Maier can do that easily and he’s not even close to a good or even average player. So why go out and give guaranteed millions for a guy who is worse.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely....
im not for whatever deal that francoeur signs, im just less against it than some of the options
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Mitch might be able to do that
but can he bat right handed? It does not matter if Mitch can hit right handed guy, only which side of the plate he stands next to during the at bat. Why is this so hard to understand?
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
What is your ridiculous threshhold?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Or another way to put it
How much do you think a maybe 0.5 WAR player should be paid when the Royals have one or more other players who could manage that or better already?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
he should be paid nothing....
but if its less than $4 million per and two years or less….im not going to flip shit
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
You have a higher tolerance for GM incompetence than I do
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
buddy bell taught me
‘it can always get worse’….
imagine being a nationals fan right now
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just got around to reading Rany's blog about Crawford.
And I’m usually really, REALLY against a team in our position spending that kinda $$$ on 1 guy…but I have to admit that he made a pretty strong case for it.
"We had opportunities when we smoked balls," manager Ned Yost said.
that was 2 years and 40 million ago though....
even rany couldnt convince us that 8/180 is a good idea
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Terms? (twitter’s blocked at my work)
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
#Royals to announce deal later today with OF Jeff Francoeur.
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
from @royals_report
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
(from and @ redundant?)
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is so hilarious.
Someone search the archives and see how far back it was called.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Time to lighten up, RR
George Brett isn’t walking through that door! Carlos Beltran isn’t walking through that door! Chipper Jones isn’t walking through that door (unless we’re in a Hooters)!
Jeff Francouer might be, though… (shudder)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Jul 7, 2008 12:16 AM CDT actions
2008. Wow.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
All the ex-Brave pickups really telegraphed this move long before it happened.
It really was folly to believe this wouldn’t happen.
That, And The
Fact that no one else really wanted him.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I barely remember that
but the rumors had been in the air for a while before that. I think I remember Poz talking about how he thought Francouer would be a Royals at some point basically since Dayton came to KC.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
My official guess:
2.5 million base with stupid and reachable incentives (think bloomquist) that would push the total possible value to 4.35. Some kind of weird option on the second year that’s like partially mutual based on a weird vesting.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Could be, but I doubt Francenshit would come to KC without all of the millions guaranteed
I’d be shocked if he were guaranteed less than $4M for 2011.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought one of the earlier tweets mentioned incentives?
You’re probably right though, we’d have to guarantee more of the money to beat out the Dodgers/Phillies.
YOU"VE GOT TO OVERPAY FOR FAs in KANSAS CITY
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing lots of guaranteed money, plus incentives
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
stupid question -
is Frankur any different than Ankiel? aside from being right-handed?
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Francenshit has less power and better defense
But their overall production is similar
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ankiel is a little better
Ankiel has more power and more walks, which make up for the more strikeouts. Ankiel is a bad CF, but would probably be a little above average in a corner spot. Francouer’s only real advantage is that he is entering his age 27 season, while Ankiel is 31.
I apologize, this will likely be huge
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Strange things you learn while perusing google images: Jayson Werth does not smile. Ever.
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by RoyalPug on Dec 8, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thats not too big
But if you didn’t know, you can add width"XX" in the coding to condense the size
What does that say about us? We pick up both ends of a trade where both involved players were released…..
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
For some inexplicable reason that particular sentence was a veritable epiphany of GM suckitude.
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Epitome Of
An epiphany.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Will – how long ago did you write the shell for the post titled “Royals Sign Jeff Francoeur for Some Reason” ?
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Francoeureuer:
1yr $2.75M w/ 500k buyout for 2012… same as Ankiel. Right???? It can’t be more, right?
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions
More
I’ll bet anyone right now
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take that bet.... foolishly I suspect
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ankiel was coming off an injurty, I think... or at least a horrible offensive year...
Francoeurerer got traded around and released… counts as a horrible year, right?
I hope he didn’t get more than $3.25M guaranteed.
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Money, Within
Reason, doesn’t bother me, it’s the years. No more than two and I won’t be suicidal, jus angry. I’m used to that.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's just insane to give more than $2M a year to a 0.5 WAR guy
And only do that if you have no one in house who can do that. And the Royals have guys that can do that. This is insane.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm At The
Bargaining stage.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm locked into the anger stage
I’ve been there since the Yuni trade and can’t get out of it.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Frenchy was better in 2010 than Ankiel was in 2009
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
That Stint Of
Platoon play in TX did wonders for his 2010 line, I’m sure.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless of the money
I would be more concerned if they “promised” Francouer he would play every day, like they did Ankiel.
Don’t get me wrong – he’s a bad player regardless of utilization – but he’s less of a bad player if he is used against LH pitching only and is limited to say, 200 ABs on the year.
(Yes, I know that is HIGHLY unlikely. Francouer probably came to KC precisely because Moore promised him a starting job)
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mlbtraderumors: Royals announce one-year deal w/ Francoeur with mutual option for 2012
Haven’t seen anything about $$ yet
From the MLB site
Francoeur, at one point a top prospect and still considered one of the best defensive right fielders in baseball, is a career .268 hitter, with a .310 on-base percentage and 101 home runs in six Major League seasons.
RT @Royals_Report: OF Jeff Francoeur gets $2.5 million guarantee from #Royals with bonuses that can add $500000. Mutual option for 2012 …
Twitter – seconds ago
how much do you owe me, NYRoyal?
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
You are the winner
If only we’d laid out the stakes of the wager. D’oh!
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like Moore is thumbing his nose to both blogs and the mainstream media
Has this been said already? I didn’t fully get through the comments before I showed up. I was trying the “stay completely away from Royals Review til the end of the day to give the baseball world time to stir something up for me” move, equivalent to putting a roast in a crock pot. I was hoping for something tastier, need to check the recipe.
Moore is thumbing his nose at both the media and the blogs right?. I mean, isn’t him basically saying, ‘I may have made this move or may not have, but since both of you have been guaranteeing that I’d do this for three years now, I’m DEFINITELY going to do it.’
Because otherwise he’s saying ‘How do you guys know me that well?’
And he’s definitely not saying that, right?
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Back on the Greinke front...
you know some serious strumpeting is going on when the Marlins are in on the trade rumors. I think I may have called that several weeks ago, but I’m too lazy to look for it right now. I’ll just pat myself on the back for even coming up with that wild hair bidder.
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions
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