Royals Complete The Inevitable, Sign Former Brave Outfielder, Out Machine, Jeff Francoeur
by Freneau on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM EST
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PrintDayton Moore is the most reliable joke in baseball.
It took longer than we expected. It didn't happen in 2008 or 2009. It didn't happen during the 2010 season, despite strong indications that it was finally time then. It happened today, in December. The Royals have signed Jeff Francoeur. According to Bob Dutton, the signing will be announced later today. The deal is believed to be for one or two seasons.
Look, Dayton Moore makes bad moves. His understanding of the game is outmoded when it comes to building a Major League roster, especially when you factor in the budget. He's busily fighting the Spanish-American War in the jungles of Vietnam. Nevertheless, when you just examine what Jeff Francoeur is it still doesn't add up.
I understand that Moore is going to overlook or ignore the fact that Francoeur is an out machine. That's a given. (Nevermind that OBP is the single most important offensive stat and he'll absolutely kill the lineup.) Sure, we can all get that. Getting on base is widely understood now, in the heady days of 2006, to be important. But Moore doesn't live in that world. However, all of that being said, the amazing thing is that Francoeur still isn't good!
This is the Bloomquist situation all over again. It would be one thing if Francoeur had superficially inflated batting averages. He doesn't. In 3443 career plate appearances his career batting average is .268. Overall, his BA/OBP/SLG line is an-even-smaller-than-you'd-expect .268/.310/.425. Generally, when you project a player's immediate future, you look at the last three years as being the most relevant. In the last three seasons, in 1783 PAs, Francoeur has hit .256/.301/.389.
Those are appalling numbers. Appalling. Francoeur's horrible approach at the plate doesn't just erode his ability to walk, it hurts his ability to... you know, hit the ball hard. In the last three seasons, Francoeur has been worse than Mark Teahen's career numbers, worse than Scotty Pods, and worse than Jose Guillen's Royal Era performance. Guillen "hit" .256/.308/.420 as a Royal. Compared to Francoeur, Mark Teahen is a team defining quality utility man ala Mark McLemore. Compared to Francoeur, Scott Podsednik is an on-base machine in the mold of Rickey Henderson. Compared to Francoeur... Jose Guillen is slightly more attractive at the plate.
And yes, he's basically competent in the field. However, his days of being a true asset are long gone. Remember, this is a Dayton Moore signing, so it's not like he's still young. There's little reason to believe that his glove will be good enough to make up for his hollow piano-legged bat. At best, he's just going to be a more expensive version (overall production-wise) of someone like Blanco or Mitch Maier.
Like a baby or a beautiful woman, Dayton reduces us all to cliche. His rote predictability, years encrusted now, has done the same to us. The Royals signing or trading for Jeff Francoeur has been a joke for over three years now. Francoeur's the perfect Moore target: former Brave, former scouts darling, hacktastic out machine with some RBI myth/mojo from years back, supposedly a great clubhouse guy (which is why he's on his third team I guess), older, getting more expensive. He's the whole package. For Moore, Francoeur still roams the outfields of 2005. On some hot summer night in the South, Francoeur's still ripping the cover off the ball.
On the field, the signing perhaps doesn't mean much. Francoeur is going to play for bad Royals teams and he's going to be bad. He's probably worse than the internal options, but the Royals didn't believe those options were worthwhile anyway. He's going to be overpaid. However, Francoeur is supposedly being brought in largely for his off-the-field contributions. The Royals are right. That will be his largest legacy. He's further, maybe final, proof, that our General Manager doesn't know what he's doing.
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Just kept in reserve til now
by Boots 58 on Dec 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
OMG QUIT BITCHING!
I am tired of all the royals “fans” bitching about everything moore does. Have faith or don’t be a royals fan. “but im tired of waiting… i have put my heart into them and havent seen anything to cheer for” THEN GO ROOT ON THE YANKEES! I have too and i don’t bitch. I stick up for them. I still go to games and cheer them on. Moore helped build THE BEST minor league system in the MLB, he said when he started that it would take 7 years or whatever to complete and we are not there yet, every signing is a “HORRIBLE MOVE, WORST EVER, I CAN DO BETTER” shut uppppppppp.
Who did you want him to sign and for how much???? I would rather have francoeur in RF with a gold glove in 2007 under his belt… yes he won a gold glove and had 19 outfield assists, than have Maier out there again… he had his chance. What hurts paying this guy only 2.5 million (compared to what other FA are getting i think its pretty good for some potential) dollars to see if he can work with the coaches and try to be more patient and get back to somewhere close to 29 HRs with 103 RBI and the following year hit 19 HR with 105 RBI and hit .293 average. If he sucks, we dont pick up his option next year and we let a prospect that is ready take his spot. We don’t have an OF prospect ready yet except dyson, have him play CF see if gordon can figure out hitting this year in LF, and see if this guy can figure it out in RF for only 2.5 mill. If gordon or francoer dont firgure it out, see ya next year you had your chance. What if francoer hits .275 with 18 HR 85 RBI and has 13 OF assists…. I take that but probably not good enough for you guys huh? The Phillies wanted francoer so obviously its not just the royals who wanted him the phillies have had some success and should know what they are doing you would think. listening to will mcdonald and anyone else here responding to this would say the phillies are horribly and suck ass. I am tired of all the negativity. You want to win now and talk shit on everything the royals do? GO BE A YANKEES FAN! they will spend what you want to spend, they make the moves you want to happen. If you want to accept the royals process and has to win doing things similar to the rays and have to build from within, then be patient, be optomistic, and cheer for all the royals including francoer who is now one, instead of bashing everyone.
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you can't "Support the Troops" and be against the war at the same time
Goddamn you people that think you can hold 2 somewhat opposing ideas in your head at the same time!
The Royals: Love 'em or Leave 'em
You F’ing commie!
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
When the Royals GM does something which hurts the team or is a bad move, we’re going to tell it like it is. Should we pretend the move is good? Or just ignore it and say “Rah-Rah-Rah Go Royals! Royals are #1!”
Who did you want him to sign and for how much????
Nobody, for nothing. Mitcher Maier isn’t good. He isn’t even average. But if stats in recent seasons mean anything, he’s better than Francoeur. So why spend millions on a guy who is worse than a guy currently on the team? Because of a 2007 Gold Glove?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
seriously, this
it’s not like we HAD to sign anyone. we’re going to suck horribly next year anyway and… most importantly Francoeur isn’t good so the whole issue is kinda irrelevant
Francoeur is better than anyone we had in the outfield. Gordon, Maier, and Francoeur is still probably the worst outfield in the league, but there is at least some talent and maybe a reason to watch a game.
The move for Francoeur obviously has inspired some fan reaction. Good or bad, he makes this team more interesting this season.
Francoeur is not better than Gordon
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean better than gordon, (although the argument could easily be made) i meant better than anybody he is playing in front of. Maier, lough, robinson…
by fightwookies on Dec 8, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
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The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
makes this statement GREEN!!!
Green I tells ya.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
RzBzIzez!!!
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
how many times are you going to post this in one thread?
why dont you start a fanpost with this as well?….LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS TOO…please
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh goody-goody
Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe, please, please, please respond to the replies you’re getting. We haven’t had this sort of entertainment around here in quite a while.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
scroll down i posted it down there after posting it here for some entertainment
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
God I could do my freaking thesis on how ignorant and inaccurate this post is.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 8, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
who mine? if so i would love to hear what is wrong with my stats and items i posted
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think RBI are a good indicator of how good of a hitter a player is?
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
RBI's help but not the biggest...
the royals were what 2nd in the AL in batting average and were horrible in runs scored. we didnt get hits when runners were on and didnt get enough extra base hits. rbi’s help score runs yes
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
So not enough clutch hitting, right?
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
the also had a terrible On Base Percentage...
So theres that.
If the Royals would have had more base runners their hits would have driven in more runs.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
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getting on base isnt everything… i agree its important. however. lets look at this
KC 2010 OBP was .331 runs scored 676
Red Sox 2010 OBP was .339 runs scored 818
the difference? slugging percentage was .399 for KC and .451 for BOS
scoring runs you need either people on base and pop in your lineup to score the runs. or you need a ton of speed to steal bases then get runs in
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's more profound than that
It was that the Sox had a far higher ISO. Their Slug was higher despite a lower BA…
Singles trains are useless, and the 2010 Royals are exhibit A
It would be worth your while
to learn some more advanced baseball statistics if you’re interested in providing insight or criticizing others on this board. It would at least give you some credibility.
If I were going over to AP to talk football, I would want to make sure I had at least a basis of knowledge so I could converse with the intelligent people on that site.
Overgay is Destiny
dont be disrespectful. and you dont know me... bill james handbook... have it and read it
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Then check out Francoeur’s wOBA, UZR and WAR in the last three seasons. Pretty ugly, huh?
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
i know its ugly the last few years i admit it...
my entire point is he has the power to hit the homeruns, had a season near 300 average, etc etc. for 2.5 million whlie waiting for a prospect to get here is not bad. what would you say would be successful season for him for 2.5 mill for us next year?
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
and we repeatedly say
that was several years ago, and has gotten worse every year since. He peaked at 22, and will keep getting worse.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think I was disrespectful
was trying to give genuine advice. If you’re familiar with some more advanced statistics, it doesn’t show from your analysis.
Overgay is Destiny
HR and RBI's!
Those are Bill James’s favorite stats!
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
He’s holding back the advanced stats for a really powerful finish.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
no im done with both of you fucks nyroyal and dcroyal
its like talking to a middle schooler. the attitude and comments you make when talking to someone about sports who you dont agree with you get attitudes and team up and get ridciulous. yes i have experience with middle schoolers cuz I am going to be a teacher. talk shit on that too why dont you
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
appreciate it
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, don't drag us into this.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
the same could be said about your bullishness
you keep pointing to a season 5 years ago, instead of focusing on the present, and refusing to acknowledge that that season was the fluke and not the 5 since.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
read what i put.... i admit he has some bad years.
the only reason i mention the past is what he has done and if we can look optimistically for 2.5 million maybe he does better than what he has done the past few years and gets some back from a few years ago. he is still young. just tired of everyone being negative
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
why should we be optimistic though?
he is trending downwards… Going from bad to worse. We can be optimistic or realistic.
Whats better to believe this is going to work out, only to be crushed when it inevitably doesn’t work… Just like everyone else GMDM has acquired at the major league level.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Because it's fun!
It’s not realistic at all, but I guess it’s fun if you can pretend/assume that the unrealistic good outcome will occur.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
im guessing u really do live in NY?
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
At the moment
Born and raised in KS and went to K-State.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
went to kstate and lives in ny...
both explain a lot about u
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
what is the purpose of a statement like this?
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
You should be optimistic because....
of our “murderer’s row”, of triple crown threats…..
Getz, Jeffy, Gordon, Blanco, Kendall, Yuni….
Who wouldn’t fear us.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Actually, I'm pretty fond of Blanco...
that kid plays like Pete Rose.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
just without the hitting.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I mean...he runs it down to first base
every time, out or not.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I think DBowe needs to realize that first...
1. if you post on here you need to bring the heat…these fans are hardcore…I thought I was hardcore ’til I found this site
2. don’t pull up in here with a fantasy football name scoured from the internet…its like parking in a handicap space and not being handicapped
3. however snappy and sneering NYRoyal may come off, he is nomally right, and will argue relentlessly with facts…he is a lawyer…and a damn good one i will assume (other than the whole 10 hours a day spent on here)…got an axe to grind…he isn’t the man for that
4. being positive for the Royals signing Jeff Francour is like thinking the Royals will win the division every year…the guys on the site know what they are talking about and can tell you within reason how good the Royals will be…which has somewhat soured me on the offseason
5. mouthing someone on royalsreview for their other preferences (KState and the what-not), is a moot point…we come here for Royals info and in-your-face snarkiness, not to pick another useless faceless internet fight because we are mad we didn’t have the beanbag to mouth a guy face-to-face at the bar last night
6. Viva la royalsreview
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on Dec 10, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
First, don’t be hatin’. Second, we’re just asking some questions. Third, Peace and Love…Peace and Love…Peace and Love.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
That escalated quickly
Overgay is Destiny
by DCRoyals on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I step away from the francouer post for a few hours, and I miss this?
Damn work.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
when they act like that they should haha
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well, one HUGE flaw in your "logic" (and I'm doing you a favor by even using that word) is your insistence that Maier has "had his chance" and thus we should go with Francouer.
Francouer has had nearly FOUR TIMES MORE plate appearances in the majors than Maier…yet Maier has been a better player over the past three seasons than Francouer has.
So..that would be one….and pretty much all I’m going to go into. I don’t have six months of consecutive free time to go into more detail.
Killing time until time kills me
So what if Maier's stats are better???
Francoeur had a good season five years ago.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I hear there's another OF on the market...
I would have rather seen Dayton sign Crawford to an 8/160 contract than see him sign Frenchy to essentially a 2/6. At least it’d be a different f’ing direction and we’d have a superstar to possibly keep Greinke here.
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
your rooting for the wrong team buddy... wont every happen
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno...
It could have if it weren’t for the retarded Jason Werth deal, it was a long shot. The Royals will have to spend something in the next few years because their payroll is going to get really small starting next year.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is the cherry on top of Dayton's shit sandwich
The inevitability is so delicious!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I agree - if you're going to go down,
go down in FLAMES
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
So do we get to say "We told you so!" now?
I mean we’ve been calling this for 2 years.
And timlacy, do you believe us now? Are you on the DM is terrible bandwagon yet?
Who's going to start calling out people from the poll?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
It's only for...
…one year, but this is bad signing. I’d rather give a weak-armed, AA outfielder a chance to exceed expectations.
As for GMDM, if his team doesn’t break .500 next year, he’ll be consigned—-for the rest of his career—-to minor league director positions. – TL
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
IF!?!??
What the hell do you mean if?? There is no chance in hell this is a .500 team next year..hell, being a .500 team in 2013 is a stretch at this point with the way this assclown is running things.
Time to adopt a 2nd team if you want any chance of watching meaningful baseball in June for the next few years.
To end…fuck Dayton Moore.
Killing time until time kills me
When timlacy can't get behind a DM move,
You know it’s bad.
by Dadunca on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
It’s one thing to think you can predict a move, and another for everyone in god’s country to predict this dumb move. Sad. I love my Royals, but GMDM is making me sad.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
this is how I felt after Farnsworth signed
try though I may, I could not explain it away
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
In the words of Frank Zappa
“Remember, there’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.”
Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
My Twitter feed.
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hey...
…Be nice. I might be a contrary voice, but I don’t bag on people.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
I didn't mean it as a shot to you
it was a (admitttedly obliquely relevant) statement on Royals fandom. My apologies for any misunderstanding. I just like the line.
Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
My Twitter feed.
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
But the Farm System!
The Farm System. But the Farm System. You know the Farm System. But the Farm System.
by scobes on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
One step up
and many steps back. Jaysus. Forever the Polyanna, I didn’t think it was going to happen.
www.marklaflamme.com
I dunno have you watched this. His swing and misses look eerily familiar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0gvVPmC_9ao#!
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
I was thinking more like Mike Jacobs
Franceour .268/.310/.425
Gordon .244/.328/.405
Jacobs .253/.313/.475
Wow, Frenchy makes Jacobs look good.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
shitty 1b vs average RF defensively might even it out though
and stupid beard over that godawful goatee tilts it in Francouers favor, in my mind at least
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
I had repressed Jacobs’ defense in my mind. Just too scary to think about.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I don't think we should be selling
Ol Chewbacco short
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Think about the similar histories of both Gordon and Frenchy
Both 1st rounders that were supposed to be faces of the franchise and failed miserably while making terrible contact and not getting on base.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Gordon seems to get on base at a decent clip
At least not god awful.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Frogger Has A
Much larger sample size and no significant injury in his past. They both have platoon issues, but as a LHB Gordon will face same handed pitching far less. Also, Frogger will not dominate.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
And he takes a shower once a week, whether he needs it or not.
That’s pretty clean for a Frenchman.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
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a right-handed, worse hitting, worse fielding Alex Gordon
But I was thinking the same thing that they have similar games, both on O and D
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
yes, they both play baseball
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds about right
I guess Francouer decided to take the money and a starting job over becoming the lesser half of a platoon on a good team, figuring he will get traded to one at the deadline. But what poor Francouer does not realize is that Moore is never going to give him up.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I thought of doing that
but it would have been too cruel on this day
DAMNIT!!!
I was just getting ready to post a picture of Rick Astly
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
"I don't know how to quit you!"
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 8, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I will remember this day for the rest of my life
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Francoeur was the original Heyward
SI did a fawning profile about how he was the Natural, a sign of all things Braves about the Braves
then… he stopped hitting. That was 5 years ago
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Also funny to see
“Carolina Panthers” and “Super Bowl” in the same story. Times change I guess, huh?
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Times change I guess, huh?
What?
sincerely,
Dayton
by Freneau on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
No, no one can be that good.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Predictions on his 2010 numbers?
I would say .255/.290/.380 17 HR 70 RBI in 645 PAs.
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.225/.300/.313 3 HR, 18 RBI
he pulls his oblique in May, tries to come back in late June, fails and lingers like the odor of a saukraut fart, providing clubhouse leadership.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
"I didn't hear anyone complaining about those 15 HR or 80 RBI"
Unless I'm wrong...
by Top Ramen on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"And really, if the worst mistake I make is bringing in a guy with 80 RBI, I've done a good job"
Unless I'm wrong...
by Top Ramen on Dec 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.270/.330/.450
He’ll generate 2 WAR with reasonable defense and not be a terrible signing.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
there is no way he gets to a .330 OBP
over a full season
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
or .450 SLG
hasn’t done that since 2005. Came close in 2007. Hasn’t been close since.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
If you're serious
…why do you think this? If you’re joking, well crafted.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
only in a platoon is there even a chance
and even then he wouldn’t put up 2 WAR with his bat
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
And as the RH hitting part of a platoon, he would get enough PA's to manage 2 WAR
He might have a nice wOBA, but it wouldn’t amount to much in the way of WAR.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes, that's what I meant
there's always his gold glove, though
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Does he BAT 4th or 5th
There won’t be many hits
by Boots 58 on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At Least He
Probably won’t GIDP too often.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Poetic
Like a baby or a beautiful woman, Dayton reduces us all to cliche. His rote predictability, years encrusted now, has done the same to us. The Royals signing or trading for Jeff Francoeur has been a joke for over three years now. Francoeur’s the perfect Moore target: former Brave, former scouts darling, hacktastic out machine with some RBI myth/mojo from years back, supposedly a great clubhouse guy (which is why he’s on his third team I guess), older, getting more expensive. He’s the whole package. For Moore, Francoeur still roams the outfields of 2005. On some hot summer night in the South, Francoeur’s still ripping the cover off the ball.
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by Warden11 on Dec 8, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Clearly
Dayton made this move to convince Zack to remain in the fold.
by 2X2L on Dec 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fuck you Dayton.
I hope you eat shit and are forced to resign immediately…and then have a nice life after that but nowhere need KC.
Fuck you.
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I don't know what the big deal is
don’t you guys know there won’t be a 2011 season anyway? And really only half of a 2012 season. MLB is cancelling all games until the Royals prospects are ready to roll with their $30MM payroll and no Greinke.
Yeah, it is going to be sweet when every single one of our prospects come up at the same time, all of them make a big impact immediatley and cause an 11 way tie for AL-Rookie of the Year.
Gonna be fucking magical.
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by EspeciallyK on Dec 8, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Great use of language.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Has anyone considered that DM hates us, reads this blog, and wants to punish us?
He’s a sadistic bastard.
thats not very christian of him
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Christian
I just found out that a co-worker of mine goes to the same church as DM. Maybe I can get him to go public with that knowledge so people can tell DM in person what they think of the Frenchy signing.
He is punishing your critical soul
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Negative spirits
Frenchie is ok as a cheap platoon guy.
But we all know he’s going to be playing a lot.
As a Royals fan, I now hope he succeeds, knowing he wont.
by WURoyal on Dec 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My sentiments...
…exactly. I’m hoping the negative Francoeur drama is over via mid-season trade. Because all Frenchie wants to do is win, right? hah. – TL
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Is the Yuni bashing over yet?
Or for that matter, Ankiel and Farns who aren’t even on our team anymore.
However, most of this is for good reason.
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Nearly died
by NotAHippie on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He let you consume a drink?
He put a beer on my nose, made me balance it, then balanced me on his nose.
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More......Insantity.......Wolf
Best part of this blog
I would like to challenge
the word smiths around here to incorporate Philosopaptor as well
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Welp
Guess I’ll just watch the rest of this Chiefs season play out…because that’ll be the last interesting sport thing to happen in KC next year.
Oh right...basketball
I really ought to try to get into that…
So who will it be 12 months from now?
Which once thought to be good, but now almost universally recognized to suck player and will be a FA next offseason and will be snatched up for millions by Dayton Moore? Anyone who thinks this craziness will be over now that prospects will be coming up is living in a fool’s paradise.
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Andruw Jones
About 25 pounds heavier than he is now
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He'll Be The
Next “answer” to our perpetual CF question after Podz is done.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
he'll be willing to let his guys play....
i have no doubt about that. one thing that he’s proven is that he’s more than willing to give any guy he’s acquired more than a legitimate shot to succeed. Luckily, all of our prospects are his guys.
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I was wrong.
This sucks. I was hoping for some other retread just so that GMDM wouldn’t become even more of a cliche. – TL
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Looks like this move signifies Grienke is off the market and the royals are going for it!
Jeff can be a good player again if he stop trying to hit homeruns and try to make solid contact
RE: That’s the problem, he is ALWAYS trying to make contact.
Signing Jeff Francoeur is like mailing yourself a letter bomb.
by Boots 58 on Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Signing Jeff Francoeur is like mailing yourself a letter bomb.
And opening it with your family all gathered around you.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
@@@Get The Net@@@
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
We can make it happen
Next season’s slogan, sarc font and all.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
The truth
Someone please send a gift basket to the Royals Hierarchy.
Shows they never have any hope of contending.
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Sigh
i'm no longer riding on the blue bandwagon...
this shit has officially gone off the road and crashed in flames in a ditch… the process ditch.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
I can't believe I'm anxiously awaiting the contract terms
It’s like coming upon a car wreck and waiting for the fireman to pull the body out of the mangled wreckage of a totalled car.
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Ditto
It HAS to be an Ankiel-esque deal, right?
I'm thinking considerably more guaranteed money
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
it reminds me of our Winter 2008-09 discussion re: Farnsworth
“Look, it’s worth a chance at $1M, right? No way Moore goes higher than that.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is so sad, it was so predictable, I guess GMDM just couldn't help himself
sigh
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
I love the idea that he's being brought in to be a leader
what wisdom is he imparting?
swing at everything? never adjust? hope that in 5 years a crony signs you?
by Freneau on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
It's being a competitor and having a strong desire to win
I really think that is the kind of intangible Moore lives in an A-hole like Francenshit.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
lives = loves
but the original works too
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Syzmborski's take
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions 19 recs
As a Mets fan
all I can say is sorry and good luck. Not with Frenchy, no amount of luck can save him. With Moore – hopefully you’ll be rid of him eventually and can get someone competent. We did it, so can you!
2009 Did Not Happen
We can only hope that he goes to do some missionary work
spreading the Word of God to the indigenous people of …wherever
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Olathe?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Dec 8, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Much respect for catching the pretty arcane reference
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
Actually, I would, but the Royals aren’t it. I’d like Minaya to work for the Braves.
"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel
That sounds like Dayton Moore
He loves his mutual options. It will be for too much money and I think it will likely be mutually exercised.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Is there anyway this signing works out? Would Yost be willing to platoon Francoeur and Gordon in RF? Can we see Lough in LF?
by royal_in_cincinnati on Dec 8, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Barring serious injury, Francenshit will start 150+ games
Count on it. DM promised it and Yost will eagerly go along.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
maybe that explains why its 2.5 instead of 4M
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well.
Right now I’m really glad I’m moving next summer.
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions
We'll see what the contract terms are
If it’s 1 year for $2M, it’s not that awful. He won’t block anyone relevant in the OF this year, and he’s under 30, so there’s at least some chance he improves.
This is probably in the Podsednik / Ankiel class off pointless signings that are cheap and could net you a C prospect at the deadline if the player comes out hot in the first half. Of course, if it’s for multiple years and/or $5M+, it’ll be in the Kendall / Betancourt class of indefensible decisions.
It's definitely not one of DM's worst moves..but it represents such a backwards way of viewing the game of baseball.....
..but don’t worry, once the SuperKids get here..he’ll magically get better I’m sure.
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by EspeciallyK on Dec 8, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That sums up most of his moves
Aside from Jose Guillen, none of his moves have been soul-crushing on their own, but its like death by a thousand paper-cuts.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in some ways, yes
but when a contract’s best case scenario is “pointless” then you have a problem
i mean, i know what you are saying, but overall… that sucks
Yet another example of Moore not realizing that he has better, cheaper in-house options and so he goes out and overbids the market on a truly shitty player. Yeah, that’s pretty bad.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
To be fair, tho, the Royals really could use a RH OF this year (if they want to look like a real time anyway), and with the FA market and payroll considerations this offseason, there was never going to be a win there. Pointless was about as much as anyone could do.
But the Royals really have no use for a 0.5 WAR OFer, regardless of his handedness
I’d rather start a lefty who can manage 1.0 WAR, wouldn’t you? Especially if he cost a lot less money. And we have that guy.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Have all four of your 25-man roster OFs bat left-handed is bad
The Royals don’t have use for any players in a season they’re clearly planning to throw away. They wanted a right-handed hitting outfielder so they could spare themselves the embarrassment of starting 3 left-handed hitters against another team’s lefty ace and then pinch hitting with another left-handed hitter against that team’s lefty closer.
Any spending on the 2011 team is arguably wasteful. Do we really care that budget goes?
Playing a 0.5 WAR player over a 1.0 WAR player is much worse
They wanted a right-handed hitting outfielder so they could spare themselves the embarrassment of starting 3 left-handed hitters against another team’s lefty ace and then pinch hitting with another left-handed hitter against that team’s lefty closer.
Sparing themselves the embarrassment? Is that why this isn’t a bad move? Because at this one position we have a RH batter? Wouldn’t we be less embarrassed by starting a better player?
Any spending on the 2011 team is arguably wasteful. Do we really care that budget goes?
Yes, adding a FA position player for 2011 is pretty wasteful in general. Flushing that money down the toilet on a crap player even moreso. Wasting money is always a bad idea. If it is going to be spent, I’d like it to help the team not hurt the team. The team was hurt today. The 2011 team will now be worse than it would have been without him.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not gonna argue this out
We agree. It’s not a good move. I’m just not that upset about it. The DDJ trade is plenty recent to focus on, and in light of the FA market for outfielders, the crap return we got meant that deal was much worse than this one.
True enough, and 2011 is a lost season regardless of who Moore adds
But I’m looking to the future. In order for the Royals to contend, their GM will have to eventually acquire some decent players to augment the prospects. Moore’s consistent track record of ineptitude with regard to major league players leads me to the conclusion that he’ll do an exceptionally poor job of surrounding our successful prospects with an actual Major League team. Squandering our minor league talent makes me depressed and angry at DM and his incompetence.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh hey look someone in the Bargaining phase of denial
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Reportedly it is a one-year deal with a mutual option
And don’t count on Francoeur being traded in July. I think Moore fell in love with him back in Atlanta and that is why there have been rumors about Moore being interested in acquiring him essentially every year that he’s been in KC. So now that he has him and there are no good corner OF prospects anywhere near the majors, I don’t think he’ll be traded and I think both sides will exercise the mutual option which will be for WAY too much money (even more than the too much money he’ll get for 2011). But then he might trade him at the 2012 deadline.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
So the going rate to sign a C prospect is 2 million these days?
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And a C prospect for these kind of guys is anything but certain
Pods didn’t get the Royals a C prospect. And it took both Ankiel and Farnsworth to get the Royals one C prospect in Collins.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
and it took the Braves being the Braves...
and in this case, I don’t think they’ll want Francoeur back
I dunno
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Frenchy will be good enough to warrant trading
So it’s a moot point. If it’s $2M for a year, it’s $2M for a splash of gusto and a 25% chance of him playing well enough to be trade-worthy. At $2M, it’s not a good deal, and it’s not a bad deal. It’s just pointless.
I’ll wait to assess the damage before I get too upset. This signing will get a lot of attention because it was so predictable, but I think a person looking to build on the anti-Moore case would be better served focusing on the crap return in the DDJ trade.
As I said elsewhere, it is entirely a waste of money. There are cheaper, better in-house options. There’s no reason to spend even $2M on him. Wasted money which will be followed by wasted playing time which will make the team worse than it would have been without him. Look at the production he’s put up with the playing time he’s gotten and then compare it to Maier. Maier isn’t good or even average but he’s been better than Francoeur. And yet we’re going to dump millions on Francoeur. Utter incompetence.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I'm not expecting a trade
a) that would require someone wanting him
b) just doesn’t fit the signing’s logic. Moore has pretty much admitted this team will be bad. So its not like it’s going to be a Mike Jacobs surprise in June.
Someone wanted Ankiel
and Farnsworth and JoGui.
Wouldn’t shock me if a mid-season flip happens.
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by cmkeller on Dec 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And don't forget
Francoeur has PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope it's an..
…eventuality. It’s a best-case scenario.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
i'm just really impressed a running joke for three years actually came to fruition...
probably not a good sign, though, for the process era…
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on Dec 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Look folks, Jeff Francoeur sucks, there’s no doubt about it, but this isn’t even the worst signing of the week. Probably not even the 2nd or 3rd worst signing of the offseason. Matt Diaz and Ty Wiggington got multi-year deals and Jayson Werth got $160 million. It’s stupid, but it’s just roll your eyes stupid, not meltdown stupid. Other than pissing away a few million dollars, this doesn’t change anything for 2011 or beyond (which is part of what makes it so stupid, but that’s neither here nor there).
by seelztlb on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
+1
I mean is there any possible way the Royals won’t suck in 2011? Especially with Zach likely to be traded.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Dec 8, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Must be a true fan.
Yeah, Zach Grainke will probably be traded by Daytun More and then Billie Buttler and Joekam Sorrya will be our only good players left.
STFU please.
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O, fuck you...
I love the Royals, but lets be realistic here. We are going for bust in 2013 with our young prospects so these 1 year deals right now aren’t going to effect us long term. The truth is I hope Zach gets traded for amazing compensation. We aren’t going to contend before he is a FA and if he has another mediocre season his value will go way down.
Calm down, let's not get too ugly with each other
Focus your hatred on DM.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
you’re right. Sorry K. Fuck you Dayton. Maybe this season will get him fired though and we can get a guy who will make the right moves at the major level.
Unfortunately that is what is said for every one of Moore's many, many $5M or less FA signings
Farnsworth, HoRam, the Jacobs trade, Bloomquist, Francoeur, etc. The problem is that no single one of them is a team killer, but they are all significant parts of a major problem. In the long-term the problem is that Moore is going to have to surround the successful prospects with complementary players for $1-5M. And these are the kinds of guys that Moore acquires for that kind of money. So is there ANY reason to believe that Moore will be able to surround our best prospects with enough talent to get them to the playoffs? I really don’t think there is.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it
FWIW, some of the pointless signings did turn into deadline deals that saved some money on those contracts and brought in low-level prospects. On balance, these deals have been only a little bad. At this point, these deals are just so predictable and annoying that people act like they’re holy god-awful bad.
Like Retro said above, it feels like death by a thousand papercuts. Really tho, it’s just a thousand papercuts, and you’re not dead….just really peeved.
And we're peeved because these deals helped build a shitty team
A GM can help his team with a bunch of $1-5M signings. I’m not saying Moore could have gotten the Royals into the playoffs with 3-5 such moves per season. But he could have helped the team. Instead, he signed crap for those millions time and time again.
And don’t you think a GM’s track record is likely indicative of future results? Yeah, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it, but is there any reason to believe that DM will suddenly do well with his $1-5M signings once the prospects arrive?
Long story short, DM has been and continues to hurt the major league club with his FA signings. Sometimes the hurt is little, sometimes moderate, sometimes big. Let’s not act like these FA signings, in their totality, really are no big deal. They really are.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I love how everyone is positive about this signing.
I see no harm in bringing Frenchy in. We don’t exactly have a ton of experienced outfielders on hand.
Frenchy could rebound and have a nice year, but either way, it’s a decent addition.
by Peterman700 on Dec 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Only took, what,
116 comments or so?
Feh.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what kind of player acquisition that poster would not like
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
No way.
Really?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not
I got to watch him for a year and a half. He is unimaginably awful.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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He smiles a lot, and he's white.
Oh, and he has the perception of being a good teammate, even though he bitches and moans and demands a trade when he gets benched for better players.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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by Syler on Dec 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
he's a great teammate
just ask Atlanta, the Mets, and Texas
if you can’t love Francoeur, that’s on you, you have a critical spirit
I've earned that right.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Wow
Are you serious or joking?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, for $1 signing him would be only a little stupid
Think he’s going to get that little?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
why does experience matter?
the royals are going to be terrible in 2011. terrible. shouldn’t we have young players instead?
It's insane how predictable GMDM is
first Yuni, now this.
What other players have we predicted GMDM to sign?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Pods and Bloomquist were also awesome
literally everyone in baseball saw those signings coming
Yuni was actually kinda stunning
Is Willy Tavares still available?
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dayton's career isn't over yet
There’s still time to sign Willy once he’s old and his only tool — speed — is gone.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
This will not end until
Every player that was a Brave or non-Royal that Dayton was involved with scouting is either (a) retired or (b) dead. And I would say (b) is better, just to be sure—if a guy has retired, it’s easy enough to bring him back with a one-year deal, mutual option, and playing time incentives (aka “The Dayton Special”).
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
i was pretty close I said 2/6...he will have to really underperform(wow how much does that suck) to not get the option picked up
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I'm not sure I can imagine a scenario
where Francouer underperforms what my expectations are.
That might not be that bad
over payed but not terribly so if properly used. However…we know that will not be the case.
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
a bag of poop is bad
no matter how much money it costs.
Nothing but a bunch of negative folks around here
If life (or your GM) gives you a bag of poop…make jenkem!
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Would that be playing time bonuses?
Like crappy Royals players tend to reach almost every time?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Must be
That is DM’s standard. Based on either games played, or PA’s. Probably a serious of bonuses (100 PA, 200 PA, etc.)
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I Like That
Like a murder of crows.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
we bet on this, right?
I think I won the bet
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think some of the Royals in recent years have had bonuses based on games played
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...
i think its just appearances, games played, ABs, innings pitched, and then gold gloves, AS appearances, mvp votes and such. no actual statistical incentives are allowed
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
and awards, but yes
99% likely that its very easy to reach PA incentives
its a weird fetish dayton has, likely uses to fudge finance reports
I've Said It
Before, and I’ll say it again; C’MON, GROIN PULL!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Acute
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
isosceles
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
x
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
less than most expected
but i’m sure the option will get exercised, so we’ll have to watch him for two years.
Good question
No one has mentioned a vesting option, but it is still early. That kind of “little detail” could come out later today or in the next few days.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Best Possible Outcome
This is only moderately painful for four months, but then we get to see him ruin other fans lives in a Phillies uniform. What LH relievers have they got? Can never have enough (they are like currency, or something).
The best possible outcome is he pulls a hammy on the first day of Spring Training and decides to take two years off of baseball..
…and then DM is so broken up about it he decides to retire.
Killing time until time kills me
i cry with every move...
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not me..
I hope he has the worst year of his career, cutting all of his numbers in half, and is just DFA’d by August. That way there will be no temptation to extend him.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
The big winter meetings victory for the Royals.....
Dayton Moore announces to the world once again, his commitment to remain the perennial last place team of Major League Baseball.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I'm queazy.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Francoeur will receive a $2.5MM guarantee with another $500K in incentives, mutual option 3MM
This already been discussed? Sorry, if so
Both sides have to pick it up
Since the option year will always look bad to one of the parties, mutual option basically means no option.
That is very wrong. DM will think it looks good. Francoeur will realize he can’t do better on the open market.
Yeah, that’s the problem, even Francoeur’s shitty performance looks good to DM.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
In that case
the mutual option is essentially a FA signing where they happened to meet at that number. You can basically ignore a mutual option beyond the cost of the buyout.
I hope they package him with Greinke and get rid of him now.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Don't look down Royals fans....because there is chicken shit on all of our shoes.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
We all knew it was comming...
and yet this still doesn’t hurt any less.
The next question is; Whats the over/under on the Royals picking up the option, I’m going to say 99.9%
Well there is always 2013
Is there any way we could have co-GM's?
Let Dayton draft the players, and let the other guy do everything else? Or demote him to being in charge of scouting?
most of the heavy lifting in the minors has been done by others
Moore is the overseer/MLB guy primarily
results speak for themselves
So do you think we should keep Picollo and fire Moore?
Because I agree with you that this signing further shows his incompetence. Our farm system has improved substantially under Moore, and I would hate to see the Royals lose the people who helped the farm system. We will eventually need intelligent free agent signings to fill in around our prospects.
by Connor Moylan on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, at some level, i'm not qualified to say
i would need to have intimate knowledge of the true division or labor in the scouting/dev department and who called for what picks
nevertheless, the idea that the GM is behind, directly behind, minor league draft picks, is flawed. GMs are much more overseers at that level. they have to be. there are too many guys
And the question (unanswerable question) is did Dayton put the scouts/system in place?
Or did Piccolo? Or did they just get lucky?
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haters Gonna Hate.....
You are a bunch of knee-jerk reacting haters. Why on earth would you attack GMDM for this move? What kind of asshole considers what a player has actually done in their analysis of a player? Why you gotta bring up old shit? We all know that future productivity is what counts, and I think we can all agree that Francouer’s going to be fucking awesome I love this move, because Jeffy is going to go apeshit this year
Book it and put in the board
p.s. If you dare disagree, I will be forced to re-post this with ALL CAPS I’ll do it, I swear!
Turning Kool-Aid to Jesus Juice since 2009.
by Discodave on Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
You forgot the sarcasm font.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
by TheK-man on Dec 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can tell it's sarcasm
from the !!!! and 1111s that combine together to make the X images
I'm not that smart Boots.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I THOUGHT IT WAS DEAD ON ANALYSIS
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
If you didn't, you're 15.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Or possibly on pain meds from a root canal....
Or crazy…..heh, crazy like an emu!!!!!!
I may actually like this signing until my medication runs out……I think I got another day or two.
Turning Kool-Aid to Jesus Juice since 2009.
Don't fall for DM's baloney. He's just a Glass family shill.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
You forgot "He hasn't even put on a Royals uniform yet!"
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone just tell me why? What's the point of this?
We have 40 guys in our farm system we could bring up to put up better numbers than he can, and for the league minimum. Dayton is psycho.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
You don’t understand the value of veteran leadership from selfish malcontents.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
lol. Yes I do. Dayton runs an annual clinic, which I am forced to attend.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
by TheK-man on Dec 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does this mean we are out of the running for Crawford?
Sorry,
Does this mean we are out of the running for Crawford?
No but it means we're out of the running for Zack Greinke.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
We're not the Pirates
we have to pay more to convince good players to come to KC.
by deezle on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Wow...
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
Isn't it? Dayton's like a little puppy who's had a rag in his mouth for two years
and won’t turn it loose….you couldn’t distract him from it with a juicy T-Bone steak…broiled to perfection.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
He's just got tunnel vision for last place...plain and simple.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
But he was a Baird man
strike against him
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Diaz only met the "older" criterion
he was neither “worse” nor “more expensive”
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and there went the open roster spot for a rule-5 pickup.
You know, where we could have gotten some easy bullpen help.
Awesome!!! DM is my favorite.
Mitch Is A
Goner.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised Dayton didn't package Blanco, Gordon and Mitch, plus some cash
for Jeff.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
The best that can be said for this signing
It only cost us $2.5M this year and probably $3M next year. And it only made the team 0.5 WAR worse. Great job, Dayton!
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Losing 0.5 WAR by my quick and dirty math/estimate
Over a full season, I think Maier is a 1.0 WAR player based on his recent seasons of performance. By the same standard, Francoeur is a 0.5 WAR player. (both are approximations, but conservative ones). Subtract Maier and put him on the bench and replace him with a full-time Francoeur and you get a team which is 0.5 WAR worse.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Mitch is a 1 WAR player in RF?
In CF, I agree. But the bat plays worse over in RF and the speed arm ratio is better suited to CF.
Typically, when you move a CFer to a corner OF position, it doesn’t affect their WAR. They take a hit from the positional adjustment, but their defense for the position is much higher. DDJ is an excellent example. In CF, he was a very good hitter for the position with only ok defense. Move him to a corner OF spot and he’s only a so-so hitter for the position, but with great defense. Move Maier to RF and his hitting would be crappy for a corner OFer, but his defense would be spectacular.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is a pretty big over-generalization. Specifically, arm strength and speed play differently at different corners. I’ve seen stuff saying DDJ was a phenomenal LF but I don’t think that’s necessarily true of his RF defense.
More specifically, does anyone have an idea how Maier’s arm strength grades out for a RF?
Lots of research shows that while a strong arm is helpful in RF, the importance of arm is greatly overstated by most. Range is more important, both for making outs and for getting to balls quickly which is as much of a deterrent for baserunners to try to take an extra base as a strong arm is.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
"...and the Lord have mercy on your soul..."
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
If he only plays against lefties, he's a useful contributor
Does anybody think he’ll only play against lefties? Wasn’t playing time his big demand in negotiations?
There is a goddamned conspiracy at foot...
I voted no
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
no you didn't
it would have shown up. you secretly love Frenchy.
averagegatsby and Frenchy,
sittin’ in a tree…….
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Rule 5
Does this mean we are passing on actual talent in that, or will the signing be finalized after the draft?
Yes
Dayton Moore: Passing on actual talent since 2005.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A Tale Of
Two OF’s.
Career lines:
Jeff Francoeur: .268 .310 .425 .735
Austin Kearns: .257 .353 .423 .775
Has anyone signed Kearns yet? I’ll bet he’d play for 1/1.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
And on the same day, the M's sign Jack Cust for the same $2.5M
Whose WAR over the last three years has been 5.5. Over the same period Francoeur has managed 0.1 WAR.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But the M's have a General Manager.
We have a wrecking ball.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
A walking, talking, wrecking ball, in a suit.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
A 5'5" wrecking ball with a crew cut
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Collins is really only 5'4"
DM towers over him.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why you guys are so mad...
Dayton Just signed the next years MVP according to Lee Judge’s bullshit system.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
In my case...it's not like I'm suddenly mad.
I’ve been in a perennial state of madness, since Dayton Moore got here.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
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"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Signs of the times
KC Royals 13 game plan $65
Omaha Storm Chasers 12 game plan $102—SOLD OUT !
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don't know. I'm gonna buy a 20 game plan on Friday for the SCs
wish I had the time to buy the season ticket just don’t
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Well...
2 4th OFers and a 5th
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Any chance of this being a sign and trade situation?
just bringing him in til mid july then moving him to make space. Just a temp stop gap til our AAA players are ready to come up?
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
I guess its possible...
but ideally you’d sign a player who might actually bring something back if traded
The Mets traded Francouer during the season
The return? Joaquin Arias after the Rangers had DFA’d him. That about sums up his non-existent trade value.
We were very happy to get Arias after he was DFAed for Francouer
Actually, we were thrilled just to get rid of Francouer.
"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel
I suppose this means we will never see
the photos Francoeur and his agent have been using to blackmail DMGM.
That’s probably a good thing.
shocking that a pro athlete is an absolute idiot
signed John Rocker
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by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I love it
Luke is now my one of my favorite players
Hilarious hunting/Nugent/political thoughts + good hitter = fun
Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
same old rhetoric.
The Royals can’t do anything right on this forum.
Francouer is not blocking any prospect, he is not blocking any talented right fielder.
He is a good defender with a mystery bat, but at 27, he could still improve and become a productive everyday player. At that price, it’s worth it to find out.
He wants to play in KC, also a positive.
I like the addition and hopefully the Royals can deal Greinke now for a great package including a CF and SS/2B
Mystery Bat?
I think its more than established as a shitty bat.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It always goes back to "mystery" or "hey, you never know"
Never anything with logic
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Hey, he could hit .300/.400/.500 this year
You don’t KNOW that he won’t. What, are you some kind of psychic or something?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
If performance in recent seasons means anything, Mitch Maier is better than Jeff Francoeur
And he’s cheaper. So why give guaranteed millions to Francoeur? Because he was good once for a little while?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully, Frenchy platoons with Gordon
So we don’t lose Maier to Francoeur
by moregritplease on Dec 8, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
It Could Happen
He could also be World Series MVP for the Royals, and more likely so.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to play in KC
I also have a mystery bat and am a mystery defender.
Then you're worth at least $2M to Dayton Moore
Call him up…but play a little hard to get so you can swing that mutual option for a second year.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
And Were You Ever
Scouted by the Braves?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know, given the fact that the Kansas City Royals have been one of the most pathetic sport franchises in North American sports history over the past 10-15 years....
…perhaps the “Royals can’t do anything right” crowd might be onto something?
I mean..seriously, please tell me how we, those who think the Royals have been generally and exceedingly incompetent for a long time, have been wrong? I’d love to hear it…b/c we’ve been saying the same thing over and over and over..yet DM keeps doing the same stupid stuff over and over and over…and there are always a select number of people like you who defend it over and over and over..yet….it never works out. The Royals ALWAYS are terrible and the moves ALWAYS fail.
So..please….how are we wrong?
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 8, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Is that you, Jeff Francoeur?
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
My take on the signing
Francoeur does a couple things alright. He plays RF decently and can hit LHP’s. To the extent he was limited to facing LHP’s this wouldn’t be a terrible deal and ‘gasp’ Jeff Francouer would actually be making the Royals better by playing over any of the incumbent players. It was about a million too much for me to feel good about it and we all know he’s going to play a lot.
You have to ask yourself, “Self, if Francouer is so terrible, why did the Rangers want him for their playoff run?” “Who within the Royals organization would have filled the role of a RH OF bat?”
In my eyes, essentially this comes down to the fact that we had to add a RH bat. Defensively, it makes a lot of sense to make that bat an OF because Moose will be holding down 3B come June and an OF is more valuable than another DH type such as Josh Fields.
To the extent KC holds Francoeur out of the lineup against RHP’s this is expensive but team improving deal.
But you know he won't be held out against RHP, don't you?
I mean none of us know for certain, but time and again, when Moore negotiates with these guys, he makes promises to them that they’ll play a certain position and that they’ll do so as an everyday starter (See for example Olivo, Ankiel and others). And all of the reports said that Francoeur was looking for an everyday job. So Moore and Yost I’m sure are on the same page that Francoeur is the Royals starting RF, all season long. He’ll get an occasional day off, but barring injury, he should start 150+ games. There’s no reason to believe anything else.
For the right money (under $2M), he could be a somewhat useful reserve OFer for a team that needed someone to bat against LHP’s, or a platoon partner (if the manager is willing to follow a strict platoon). For a team like the Royals, he makes no sense whatsoever. None.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
the truly amazing thing...
Is how much we actually miss Olivo now.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
he was alright
still blocked the plate like a pussy
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
ahmmm. ahmmm. He's on the list.
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but thats only because how bad Kendall is.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yea...John Buck and Miguel Olivo for Kendall....forgot about that.
puke.
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I came home and found out my toilet was clogged...
Then I logged on here… Only to see that instead of helping me fix my toilet, Dayton Moore chose to shit the bed.
That’s a mostly true story. You decide what’s fabricated.
How do you trade Greinke for Francouer if they’re on the same team? We’ll soon find out.
Screw off David Lough!
Jeff “Ants” Francoeur has played in more playoff games, which is a criteria of being signed by DM.
Lough is getting Kila’d in 2011
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Ants in the pants?
Ants in the pants,
Ants in the pants,
Lookin like a fool with the ants in your pants
In my view
Lough is competing with Mitch, Dyson, and Alex Gordon for a spot as a LH outfielder.
If Lough was right-handed you’d have an argument.
I agree that if Lough can win that competition (or someone gets traded) he deserves some shots against RHP’s, but Francouer and Lough are not mutually exclusive in the same was he and the other guys aforementioned are.
Lough was being moved around in the OF in Omaha in 2010
they’re screwing around with him because there is a glass ceiling in effect here. DM will hail the Loughs, then when they get to AA/AAA, he will block them
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That's true in a lot of cases.
DM doesn’t love the average prospect, but supposedly he’s always been high on Lough (couldn’t resist).
Hey but since Francoeur isn't blocking any top prospects, this is no big deal
It doesn’t matter that he’s nearly a replacement level player with no upside. Who cares if he blocks a prospect with some upside potential, like Lough, or a player none to be better than him, like Maier. No biggie.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
i dont believe that Lough is any different than Maier or Costa or any of those guys....
sure, he should be playing over Francoeur, but lets not act like Lough not getting a shot is some sort of travesty.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a travesty because he's such a great talent
But because playing him makes much more sense than paying and playing Francoeur. Makes more sense playing Maier too.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's Kila, Aviles, etc all over again
Let’s bring in the mediocre veteran making real moeny instead of finding out what the semi-interesting cost-controlled player already in the system can do.
This will be a huge problem in the future
Some of our prospects are going to really succeed and become very good or great. But many will just be ok. But Moore doesn’t like merely ok in-house products. He likes veterans with a lot of experience who were actually good once but haven’t been good in years. And he’s willing to pay millions for them.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
there's absolutely no evidence that he wont play prospects who are ready
and are his guys. Thats the one thing we know about Moore for sure. He loves his guys. They play and they play everyday.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
So he's going to play all of his prospects everyday?
You’re assuming that he hasn’t been playing decent-but-not-great prospects so far merely because they aren’t “his guys.” Maybe he really loves veteran guys who were once good but aren’t anymore. He sure does love acquiring those guys. I think you’re showing a lot of unwarranted faith in Moore.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
i just dont think you can assume
that he wont play them. He likes the guys he brings in. He plays the guys he brings in…even when it is unwarranted.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
We haven't seen him deal with his prospects coming up to the majors yet
But we have seen him deal with young ok-but-not-great players and crappy vets. He loves crappy vets. I think you’re expecting DM to change. That’s a mistake.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
you say he loves crappy vets
i say he loves his guys. He’s not playing/resigning the crappy guys leftover from Bairds regime. And all of these guys who’ve been ‘blocked’ which ones have produced when given an extended opportunity? Maier’s proven to be a 4th OF. Kila is looking like a AAAA player, although he deserves regular ABs this year.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
But his prospects and his crappy vets are both "his guys"
So when he has a choice of sticking with a prospect of his who hasn’t turned out to be a very good or great MLB player and he’s just ok, or playing or acquiring a crappy vet, what do you think he’s going to choose? He can choose some of “his guys” over other of “his guys.”
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Lough is much better than Maier and Costa
He’s got DDJ upside written all over him. I doubt he’ll really be blocked for an entire season though. One of Alex or Frenchy will totally flop probably both.
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Some said that about both Yuni and Kendall
And they never relenquished their starting jobs.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
You are half right but Alex doesn't have "leadership"
skill of Kendall or the plus hands of Yuni. Frenchy has leadership so he would have to Jacobs type suck to get benched.
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I think he'll treat his prospects differently than guys he inherited as well
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c'mon....lets get serious....
Dejesus put up an OPS 130 points than Lough and from what ive read was better on defense as well. Lough is much closer to Maier than DDJ
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
DDJ upside
He has more power than DDJ and his patience really improved the second half of the season. He may never reach his peak but he has a 5 tool average skillset just like DDJ.
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minus the AAA production
why shouldnt he have to prove he’s ready at AAA? League average hitter in AAA as a corner OF doesnt scream ‘start me now’
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Maier has hit better than Francoeur since 08
too
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screw all this noise
We need something decisive here.
What does the Royals Facebook page say about this?
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surprisingly anti...
Some like it, but mostly they hate it.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Henle What a great person jeff is….i’ve heard him speak on his Christian faith and i doubt there are many mire humble athletes out there. What a great example he sets. Welcome to the royals, jeff.
by Tito42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I almost posted this comment myself...
But still most hate it.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Unfreakingbelieveable!
Oh, sadly, I guess it’s not.
Can’t wait to hear how many tens of millions we’re going to pay this clown – for nothing.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
can't we pay someone
a lot of money to make the royals just go away..never come back…sleep with the fishes.
no kidding
I remember when I was pissed that Selig wanted to “contract” the Royals. God, in hindsight, I almost wish he would have. I need to start Royals Anonymous organization and create a cool little secret bumpersticker to go with it.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
Ants in his pants
could be worse for Frenchy, he could have blisters on his fingers
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This is, BY FAR, the most I have laughed on this board in a long, long time.
I wish we could sign Francouer everyday.
Thank you.
This is Frenchy's
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KC Star commenters don't seem to mind...
Well his actual stats and age do not parallel Ankiel at all. I disagree with you on a lot of that. For one thing, I don’t care what any “knowledgeable” people around baseball think. If they don’t have names, I don’t give them any thought. All I know is that he is young and he has a good skill set. If he was a bad player, there would not have been five or six teams talking to him. He is only 26 years old and that is way to young to say he has “failed”. All I know is he is better than anyone we have and we have to play 162 games this year. He improves us, to me that is all that matters right this minute and he is young. God Sammy Sosa was not even a conversation before he was 27. People barely knew who he was. Paul Konerko was released twice before he was that age and baseball people thought the White Sox were crazy when they signed him. It is a crap shoot all the time, but if you are gambling, I would gamble on a guy that can play like he can in the field and has some power.
Yea ≠ Yeah
that is way to young to say he has "failed".
WRONG! Alex Gordon has failed miserably!
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That poster is a moron
Konerko has never been released, he was traded twice in his age 22 season, a season that began with him being the #2 prospect in baseball. Nobody thought the White Sox were crazy for trading for him (except for the fact that they gave up highly regarded Mike Cameron). By his age 27 season he’d already put up 4 outstanding offensive seasons. Sammy Sosa was an established star by the time he was 27 (and had been an exceptional player for 4 seasons by then). People that rely on their bad memory are the kinds of people that like signing the Francoeur’s of the world.
agreed, morons start arguments with this
I don’t care what any "knowledgeable" people around baseball think
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I love how people revised history to make it seem like Ankiel was the better player in the Ankiel/Farnsworth deal and that since we could trade Ankiel in a tag team deal, we could trade a worse player (Ants) for good players
the guy the Mets got for French Ants is now a Royal. The guy the Braves got for French Ants is Ryan Church (who managed to play worse than Francoeur since the trade)
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Nobody thought Dayton was going to change, did you?
He values all of the wrong things in major league acquisitions. He always has, he always will. He sees some kind of “tools” and “ballplayer” in Frenchie that either don’t exist or don’t really matter if they do. Should the prospect wave pay off in the future and the team win, it will be in spite of GMDM’s ability to acquire major league talent, not because of it.
This deal had to happen some day. In a way, I’m glad it’s this year and not one of the next two or three, since everybody recognizes this year is not actually about winning, but merely setting the table for the future. It’s like the chicken pox—best to get ’em while your young because they can do a lot more damage when your older.
Plus, I really think this is only for one year. Moore’s comments that Francoeur was one of a few guys coming off of a “down year” looking to rehabilitate their value shows that he recognizes that Frenchie was not good in 2010. He will be no better in 2011, Moore will know that he wasn’t good, and he will be gone by Opening Day 2012. Yes, he’ll make more infuriating deals in the future, but at least this one will be in the past.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions
Source: #Nationals are “being aggressive” in pursuit of #Royals Zack Greinke
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At least it is going to be hard to screw up a Greinke deal
The biggest concern is that Moore may leave a better deal on the table, especially one that does not fit into his reported requirements of (a) MLB ready pitcher and (b) up the middle prospect. But the final offers should be good just due to the number of teams seriously involved.
but DM can and will screw up a Greinke deal
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He'll probably switch up and get Detwiler instead of Jordan Zimmerman
because he’ll look at their ERAs
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detwiler is a douche
i will cease being a royals fan if he’s ever on this team
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Or Harphannuka
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the trade.
Just like Christmas morning, if you got the toys you wanted you were happy. I have a feeling Santa will be leaving a lump of coal for Greinke though.
I've never seen such a ridiculously bad move.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not gonna say this was a bad or a great move. I’d like to see how it pans out first. then the hating will commense. im hopeful……..today atleast
"He hasn't even put on a Royals uniform yet!"
by Gopherballs on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is there a checklist of these?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
and that is basically ridiculous...
Because there is enough data that says Francoeur is a bad player. We can wait and say, oh man that was a bad move, but it doesn’t take much research to realize that it is bad.
Players never explode out of no where… It just doesn’t happen. Its a bad move, and its just piling more shit on top of shit. All the Royals best players on their roster are there despite GMDM, not because of him.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this is a joke...
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was
Apparently, Ken Harvey went on to a long, illustrious career in Chiefs190’s alternative universe. But, you know, he WAS an….(wait for it)…ALL-STAR!!
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get what you are trying to say...
That you actually thought Ken Harvey was a good baseball player?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I exploded too
And it was completely out of nowhere.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess if thats what you consider exploding out of n where...
then we have a different definition of exploding out of no where… his best season he was still pretty awful.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
don't forget Brady Anderson
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Haters be hatin'
Why they gotta be hatin’?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why hate? I mean who wouldn't want to trade
S. Pods, R. Ankiel, C. Crisp, D. DeJesus, M. Olivo, R. Mahay, R. Ramirez, L. Nunez, M. Teahen, J. Buck, R. Callaspo, W. Bloomquits, R. Gload, E. German, J. Cruz, M. Jacobs and K. Farnsworth….
for essentially what is amounting to Gregor Blanco, Chris Getz, Vin Mazarro and Justin Marks?
He gets a pass for dumping J. Guillen, but his signing of Guillen wrecked the team for 3 solid years.
There’s no question, that Dayton Moore is the worst GM in the history of Major League Baseball.
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Oh yea, the G. Meche contract destroyed our payroll along with Guillen's contract
for the last 3 years. Ridiculous contract. Meche has never been anything more than average.
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except for 2007 and 2008 when Meche wasnt even CLOSE to average....
he was awesome
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Take the two years of not even close to average, and add them to the
two years of being average, and you have a 12M dollar a year average pitcher. Now this year, we’re paying 12M for an average reliever if he pitches at all. Dayton is a genius.
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i didnt say it ended up working out....
but you’re just blatantly wrong when you say that meche has never even been average
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably fair....
I think in terms of the value for the money spent….
so, shall we say, average compared to other 12 million dollar per year pitchers? Would you buy below average then?
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I just think for 12M a year...you ought to get a strike out machine...
who can eat a lot of innings with an era consistently below at least 4.0, none of which he has been able to do.
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worst in the history?
He’s bad, but you can never prove this…. Seems to be tons of hyperbole to me.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
What's to prove....all those guys on the list are gone....and we have nothing to show
for any of them.
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yeah...
tons of bad moves, but worst ever? I mean this is a very damning statement. I don’t like the guy, but I mean really… Worst ever?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok...you win.
He’s the worst that I’ve personally witnessed during the time I’ve been alive on this planet.
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I still think Minaya is the worst...
Imagine the carnage GMDM would do with that payroll.
sorry for arguing semantics.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
You may be right...I don't know enough about him.
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Let me ask you this....if you could hand pick half of those guys and wave
a magic wand, and they were back on the team, don’t you think we’d be a much better team.
You get to pick half of those. Then tell me.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I dunno, I could live with maybe 4 or 5 of those guys...
But its easy to rag on the guys we know the most about, I honestly can’t tell you the bad moves every GM has made.
What makes those moves worse than giving Jason Werth a billion dollars over a hundred years, or whatever the Nationals gave Werth.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
The sad part is...
in a few days, you can add Zack Grenke to the list.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Crisp, Dejesus, Buck, Ram Ram, Farnsworth.....
no…this team is still atrocious…except for $85 million instead of $65 million
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying the guys I listed are the second coming of Christ....
Just that all we have to show for them….is a big smelly pile of soon to be demoted or cut dogshit.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
they didnt have value
most of them were bad signings at the time
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
You can count on that.
If it’s a Dayton Moore acquisition, It’s usually a bad one, and if it’s a good one…it’s only temporary. They’re gone after the break.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I'm sure I missed a few guys....but you get the point.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Thanks.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I just lost a little respect for MLBTR
“Francouer, 27 in January, hit .249/.300/.383 overll in 502 plate appearances this year for the Mets and Rangers but did have a nice 56 PA Texas stint
I mean, at least MLBTR can have the common courtesy to use the sarcasm font to avoid confusion.
BOOM! ROASTED!
Because I've been abused by the Royals for 22 years
My stance is pretty much, “Well, he didn’t give me a black eye! I guess this broken rib is A-OK!” http://mindahaas.net/?p=766
WTF, self?
Texas' postgame guy said that
if you know Francoeur for 10 minutes, you feel like you’ve known him his entire life
He will lead this team in buttpats and milk glasses drank
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by BHWick on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We gotta get Lawrie from Toronto
He’ll call Frenchy a pussy to his face and then knee him in the groin. Then he’ll make a few racist and homophobic comments while firing off his shotgun out the window of his Humvee. This is John Rocker meets Danny Thompson time.
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by Juancho on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you had 25 Jeff Francoeurs on your team
it would suck
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by BHWick on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt's take
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/francoeur-is-destiny-or-contest-over/
Got to love the leader boards at the bottom
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OMG QUIT BITCHING!
I am tired of all the royals “fans” bitching about everything moore does. Have faith or don’t be a royals fan. “but im tired of waiting… i have put my heart into them and havent seen anything to cheer for” THEN GO ROOT ON THE YANKEES! I have too and i don’t bitch. I stick up for them. I still go to games and cheer them on. Moore helped build THE BEST minor league system in the MLB, he said when he started that it would take 7 years or whatever to complete and we are not there yet, every signing is a “HORRIBLE MOVE, WORST EVER, I CAN DO BETTER” shut uppppppppp.
Who did you want him to sign and for how much???? I would rather have francoeur in RF with a gold glove in 2007 under his belt… yes he won a gold glove and had 19 outfield assists, than have Maier out there again… he had his chance. What hurts paying this guy only 2.5 million (compared to what other FA are getting i think its pretty good for some potential) dollars to see if he can work with the coaches and try to be more patient and get back to somewhere close to 29 HRs with 103 RBI and the following year hit 19 HR with 105 RBI and hit .293 average. If he sucks, we dont pick up his option next year and we let a prospect that is ready take his spot. We don’t have an OF prospect ready yet except dyson, have him play CF see if gordon can figure out hitting this year in LF, and see if this guy can figure it out in RF for only 2.5 mill. If gordon or francoer dont firgure it out, see ya next year you had your chance. What if francoer hits .275 with 18 HR 85 RBI and has 13 OF assists…. I take that but probably not good enough for you guys huh? The Phillies wanted francoer so obviously its not just the royals who wanted him the phillies have had some success and should know what they are doing you would think. listening to will mcdonald and anyone else here responding to this would say the phillies are horribly and suck ass. I am tired of all the negativity. You want to win now and talk shit on everything the royals do? GO BE A YANKEES FAN! they will spend what you want to spend, they make the moves you want to happen. If you want to accept the royals process and has to win doing things similar to the rays and have to build from within, then be patient, be optomistic, and cheer for all the royals including francoer who is now one, instead of bashing everyone.
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions
Jeff Francoeur
Sweet Nectar of Arrowhead Pride
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by DCRoyals on Dec 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im suuuuuuuuuuure you've never criticized Dwayne Bowe....
even when he was leading the league in drops and costing the chiefs games by dropping TD passes….never criticized Matt Cassel….never criticized Haley, Herm, King Carl, etc
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
and im sure you have talked mad shit about cassel, haley, bowe...
and now what? could be same with francoeur… so maybe people should learn to shut their mouth til they see what happens?
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
im not a chiefs fan....
i talk shit on all those guys on a regular basis…except for Dbowe this year b/c he carried my 12-1 fantasy team
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for proving my point...
you talked shit on everyone bowe, cassel and haley. bowe, most receiving TDS in the NFL this year, cassel 5th in QB rating even above drew brees, and haley coaching a team tied for 3rd in the AFC…
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
and in october of last year
the broncos fans thought they were awesome
what’s your point?
one good situation does not mean everything will work out, for everyone, forever
really?
thanks for the obvious. how many times do I have to say this. let him play then talk shit if you want
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
He has played...
And played quite poorly… A zebra can’t change his spots.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
just seems like a pointless distinction
he sucks now
moreover, what is the point of … well… anything if we aren’t allowed to talk about it now? this is all pretty much meaningless fun in the grand scheme of things, isn’t it?
your telling me that if the Chiefs make a draft pick on draft day that you don’t like, you’re just going to say nothing for six months until he plays
...
what i am saying is he has the power and strength to hit 29 HR’s others dont. if he can figure out what it takes to get back there and more plate discipline it can be good for us.
im talking royals idk why people keep saying chiefs just cuz my name is dbowe, anyways if they draft someone i don’t like i say… wow didnt see that coming hope they know what they are doing. example… tyson jackson over curry. everyone said curry so i figured we would draft him. we didnt and how did curry turn out so far… not so good. they knew what they were doing drafting a lower risk person with tyson jackson. he has been off and on like dorsey but dorsey has done really well. jackson still can be really good and has shown flashes of it
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you started it
by talking about how some idiots were down on Haley/Cassel/Bowe, and they were proven wrong, so because of this Frenchy will rebound.
The difference is, intelligent people liked Haley, Cassel and Bowe. Now intelligent people are saying Frenchy sucks, and he will be terrible this year.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
good in all aspects?
no… good in some yes. if we get people on base in front of him and he hits the homeruns for the royals that would be a great season. then the next year he hit near 300 in 2007 and had 19 OF assists… again some good stats overal amazing no
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Overall, do you think it was a good offensive season for him?
Don’t obfuscate. Sure it had pluses and minuses. But looking at the totality of it, was it a good offensive season?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
So because
Cassel is good, Frenchy is too? Im confused.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
no...
my point is wait to see what happens. cassel sucked people talked shit then he improved and is doing well. who says frency cant? for 2.5 one year deal and a 3m option next year i dont see the big risk. people are acting like we signed him to a 7 year 500 million dollar deal
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well I gurantee I post more on AP than you...
So we can argue this all you want, and if you check you will see that I have had all 3 of those guys backs from day one… DAY FUCKING ONE!!! You could see the potential where those guys would be good, but this is not the case with Francoeur he has nearly zero redeemable skills.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
so posting a lot = more intelligent
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In some cases yes
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
when and how?
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well mouth breathing idiots
probably type like 9 words a minute, but intelligent well versed people can type at least 70 minutes… BOOM VOLUME!!!
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
i think you proved yourself...
“intelligent well versed people can type at least 70 minutes”
sounds like your the unintelligent person you were talking about
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
All I said was "in some cases"
you asked for an example so I provided one. I acknowledge its a weak one, but you didn’t specify for a good example
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
my point...
you mistyped “type at least 70 minutes” you were saying unintelligent cant type and apparently you cant… 70 words per minute is what you meant
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...
because only stupid people make typos…
you win, Frenchy is going to hit 30 hr’s with 700 RBI’s he will get the gold glove, and probably solve world hunger too.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
dont get upset
you made the argument that intelligent people type better than unintelligent people… i disagree with you there. therefore i know that people make typos and i think typing has nothing to do with intelligence
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
The argument wasn't type better, but type faster and that faster = more words
but don’t get upset because you are absolutely wrong about Francoeur and he is going to be a complete shit pile of baseball player this year.
he isn’t going to hit even 10 HR’s, he isn’t going to get that magical 19 outfield assists, he is going to hit like .250 and he will have an OBP of maybe .305… he sucks, you can hope all you like, but reality is he sucks.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
how fast did you type that in?
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
SIMMA down...
i didnt say you talked shit. i was answering your question… you said “so because cassel is good, frency is too? im confused.” I was pointing out people have said cassel sucked and talked shit but is now good and everyone praises him. i never said you did. but i am saying you said this “francoeur has nearly zero redeemable skills” not sure if a gold glove, 19 outfield assists, and 29 homeruns 100+ rbis are skills… getting someone that has done that for only 2.5 million is what people in the business call “low risk/high reward” if he does good then we can try and keep him around. if he doesn’t then goodbye. unlike jose guillen, this is not 36 mill for 3 year deal. its 1 year 2.5 million.
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
what does 5 seasons ago have to do with anything in the present?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
that he has potential
im going to copy and paste this low risk/high potential
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
he is trending downward not upward...
and never in his career has he been able to get on base at a respectable clip.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
His last five seasons are irrelevant
But what he did six seasons ago is what really matters.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Critical Spirit
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
6 seasons ago?
I am talknig about THREE seasons ago… please go look up his stats and information before vommiting words on the computer
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Three seasons ago is 2008 where he hit 11 home runs
Four seasons ago is 2007 where he hit 19 home runs. Five seasons ago is 2006 where he hit 29 home runs.
So five seasons ago is important and what has happened since then isn’t important? How often to players rediscover the good hitting they had five years ago? Sure it can happen. Anything can happen. But it is extremely rare. When a player peaks very early and gets worse and worse, they rarely revert back to the form they had for one season once.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
So Frenchy is the Green Day of the baseball world?
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
And please note
the already given replies to that argument: the stats cited mask a bigger problem with Frenchy: his low OBP. There is a lot of stuff out there explaining the importance of this to actual run scoring for a team over the course of a season.
Look, why the insults? The people here generally are friendly if they are not attacked so nastily by those that do not traffic on a regular basis.
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
A gold glove proves nothing though.
and he has gotten worse every year the last several years.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
yes he did except in texas he did well...
players can figure it out why would the phillies have wanted him if they didnt think they could fix him? not everyone can hit 29 homers in one season.
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
then why didnt they sign him?
and why did they deny their interest the next day?
the phillies almost signing him isn’t much evidence of anything
If you think what he did in Texas is enough
of a sample to judge him then this conversation is over.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
He had 56 PAs in Texas
Do you understand how small a sample size that is? Wait, do you understand what sample size is?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Dayton has to have at least one fan left that
he can easily fool. it makes him relevant.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
I feel compelled to remind you
1. A Gold Glove may even be evidence of poor defense (see, e.g. Derek Jeter)
2. Jeff Francoeur’s 2006, in which he put up 29 HR and 103 RBIs, also included a .293 OBP. That negated literally everything else he did that season, and gave him less than 1 WAR on the year.
Overgay is Destiny
agree on some
DJ didn’t deserve the gold glove. 19 outfield assists does. go check out his 2007 stats….
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hilarious
that you are telling us to look up stats… Why don’t you look up his WAR, and wOBA and get back with us
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Those are just made-up stats that you guys don't even understand!
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why we all have to be positive about every move
sounds more boring than heaven
look, am I advocating a mass protest, or burning of his jersey, or demonizing him ala Lebron & Cleveland. no. I’m not even someone who boos at the game.
but there’s no reason why we can’t be critical.
really the issue isn’t Francoeur, it’s the idea that Moore would think Francoeur is good. I’m not mad anymore. I’m scared.
Real fans are positive about everything their GM, manager, a coach or player does
Always
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Don't like the best minors in the MLB....
from a team that has to build from within? pretty sure starting with the minors and working their way up to the majors is how you do that… having the best minors would be something moore did not help with though that would be giving moore credit… shhh we cant do that
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
best minors in MLB isn't going to mean anything if we augment it with guys like Francoeur
which is why people are upset
its like having a great offensive line and then signing jake delhomme
HUH?
adding francoeur for 1 year 2.5 million with an option for 3 million the following year is hurting the team how? you want a prospect to be promoted when not ready and to struggle like gordon did? No… you want a cheap one year guy with possible upside to join the team, play a year, then next year a prospect can play if frenchy sucks. if he does well, try him again for a year. you want us to sign a guy for 10 million like carlos pena type to play a year then leave?
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
because there are guys in the minors
who will likely put up similar numbers for far less coin… Where this money could be better invested to augment when those guys do come up.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the deal
The Royals have people on ths team, players that are not good, that can still play better than Franceour right now (see: Maier, Mitch). They play for league minimum. Frenchy will play for 2.5 millin (8x league minimum). You paid more, and got nothing (or potentially made the team worse). Now you understand the problem?
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
We'll be back to baning our heads against the wall when Frenchy bats 4th or 5th
and leads the team in RBIzzzz.
and what if he does...
what if he does get something fixed and hits 29 HRs and 100 RBI’s again?? Maier does not have the potential at all. this guy has done it
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
what if we sign barry bonds and he has a 1200 ops....
i feel like that happened the same year that Frenchy was last good
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
If he gets 100 RBI, then that means he's had a good season
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
If he did
it would still be a bad deal. You should not have to pay extra for the privilege of resurrecting someone’s washed-up career. If he were on a minor league deal or making the league minimum, then no problem. Making a lot more than that is insane.
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
so would you like to place a wager?
I feel pretty confident that he wont even hit 20 HR’s, who gives a shit about the RBI since they don’t matter.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
what would be a successful season?
for a 2.5 million dollar 1 year deal for frenchy…
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
a 340 OBP which he is absolutely incapable of doing.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
thats the only way you can have a successful season is with OBP?
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
getting on base isnt everything...
i agree its important. however. lets look at this
KC 2010 OBP was .331 runs scored 676
Red Sox 2010 OBP was .339 runs scored 818
the difference? slugging percentage was .399 for KC and .451 for BOS
scoring runs you need either people on base and pop in your lineup to score the runs. or you need a ton of speed to steal bases then get runs in
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
You need both obviously.
KC was very high in Batting Average too, but that didn’t do them any good either, which is the main reason their OBP is so high. The SLG is a problem, but the fact that DM keeps going after guys that do not get on base is a bigger problem.
For quite some time,
fans of baseball everywhere were entirely dumbfounded as to why Kansas City’s 2010 Royals didn’t have the offensive firepower of the 2010 Red Sox, despite an eerily similar On-Base Percentage.
Luckily, Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe made a remarkable discovery in late 2010 when he developed the advanced statistic “slugging percentage.” This new statistic would change the baseball landscape forever.
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Calm it down guys
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
OBP has a higher correlation to run scoring than batting average
The Royals had one of the best batting averages in baseball and ranked towards the bottom of runs scored… This isn’t bad luck… They also had one of the worst OBP.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Don't use those big words like correlation
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Im very excited about the minors...
But until they actually do something in the majors, number 1 farm system doesn’t mean shit.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
thats the point...
WAIT til they are ready. don’t rush them. i dont mind some low risk high potential signings filling in until that happens
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
then why not just play the guys we have
instead of spending 2.5 million on a guy who is pretty shitty.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think signing Francoeur is a "low risk, high potential signing"?
Really?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
yes... whats the risk? whats the potential?
Really?
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
2.5 million risk > 0 potential meaningful reward
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
The “risk” is that he sucks and performs worse than cheaper in-house options like Maier. And that “risk” is something which is actually very likely to happen. And his potential to perform significantly better than that is veyr, very low. His performance record is meaningful. It tells us something about how good he is. And it shows that he’s a very poor player.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
2.5 million risk i would say is EXTREMELY LOW....
compared with 12 million for guillen
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
The cost isn't high, but the money is wasted
When you bring in a player who is worse to replace a player who is better, then all of that $2.5M is wasted. Get it now? finally?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree with you saying mitch is better
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the stats
Especially hitting and advanced defensive metrics. And then you can check out WAR, which is a great total value stat. Maier has been better than Francoeur in recent seasons. Can you give me any reason why Francoeur would perform better in 2011 than Maier would?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe high potential for butt pats in the dugout
and low risk for a productive season
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Wow, did you really post this gem twice in this thread?
Did you think it was that good?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Austin Kearns 1/1M
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
My hope is that part of the REAL process was......
Bringing in Dayton to build the farm system and not allowing him any contracts over 3 years (after the Meche deal) and then firing his ass right before our crops come in so a real GM can finish this all up.
If this is your plan God Bless you David/Dan Glass, if not you can start shmpooing my crouch at anytime.
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its funny that the two people criticizing us for criticizing are names ive never seen
with chiefs references in our name. the worst thing that might come out of this is that our fun little community could turn into arrowhead pride….shoot me now
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*chiefs references in their name
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
RR would not want to be AP?
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you are joking, AP is one of, if not the best blogs for any sports team.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
And the fact you hold that opinion is precisely why we don't want RR turning into AP
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
you are right it is much better to constantly piss and moan with a constant barrage of one-line knee jerk saracasm comments
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
If that's all you think this site is
then you haven’t been on here much.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have been on here for two years, and its about 60% that and 30% quoting advanced stats and 10% talking real solutions
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say 60% of the time
it’s like that every time
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by DCRoyals on Dec 8, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
60% of the time it works everytime, lol
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
My problem with AP is that it's a clusterfuck
It’s got great reporting and comprehensive info, and the managers/editors consistently turn out good stuff. However, the rest of the site…well, have you seen this commercial for TheLadders.com:
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah the ads are stupid, cant argue there
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's comparing the ad he linked directly to AP
It’s very fitting, and why I don’t frequent the place.
so you encourage being exclusive and arrogant rather than inclusive
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don't.
I just can’t read AP, that’s all. I’ve tried a few times, and it’s mostly junk. There is good stuff, but I’m not wading through crap to get to it.
I just stick to the front page stuff, and avoid the fanpost (unless they are promted)
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am reader though, I don't post much. I come jump between here and there reading post and comments. After a while you learn who's comments you can skip.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh I see what you did there
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
It was subtle
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
You Probably Will
Never see this witty reply.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
@@@Please@@@
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
RR is for baseball fans. AP is for football fans.
There’s a difference. Some people are fans of both sports. Some aren’t.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
i like football plenty....
and people who are arrowhead pride come to life are the exact reasons why i never became a chiefs fan.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well I love baseball and like football, I want to win and I dont care how we get there. just dont think DM is the guy
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
But somehow criticizing his poor moves is a bad thing
I’m sorry we let you down. I’m glad you enjoy AP. Have fun over there.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
never said critizing him was a bad thing, I just said AP is an Excellent blog and in my opinion contributes more to fans knowledge of the team. RR is really a big bitch fest most of the time.
Instead of description of the problem, try offering some prescription of solutions
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
levity is the best medicine for dealing with a team that hasn’t made the postseason since many of us were born
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ha ha...eat shit....
august of 1985 here…ive got one in my lifetime
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I feel it too, but what I want to know how we fix this, what are the alternatives not nitpicking every call during the games and every move in the offseason.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
But all of this negativity and snark makes my tummy hurt!
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
But "description of the problem" is a REALLY necessary step.
Clearly, lots and lots and LOTS of people don’t see what’s broken about the Royals. Dayton Moore is one of those people. What’s so wrong about saying, “This is wrong, and here are 5 different ways of showing that it is wrong”?
Knowledge is power, and so forth. You can’t find a solution without first articulating the problems – and the Royals have many of those.
WTF, self?
we all know something is wrong with the Royals, all you need to look at is the win column
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
moves like signing Francoeur are why
ALL GMDM has to do is see how bad all those guys On Base Percentage was to see where he went wrong.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
make no mistake, I threw up in my mouth today when I got a text about the signing
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
You're either ignoring the analysis or you don't understand it
And churning out “sign this guy” or “make this horribly unrealistic trade” posts is completely worthless. It is merely standard idiot fan crap. We’re better than that. I know you don’t like it here. So why come here to bitch about that. I’m sure they’re talking about something very interesting at AP right now.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Jammal Charles for MVP
AP mock draft 12/3-12/17….
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I dont think most of you understand the stats/figures you quote, but thats for another day
BTW I do like it here, but really only for minor league info.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
You're just being a jerk now
We use stats that YOU don’t understand and that makes you feel like an igorant baseball fan and so your defense mechanism is to assume that we don’t really understand the stats we quote. Please, take your baseless insults and ignorance somewhere else. I don’t go to AP and insult you.
Please don’t insult us for knowing more about baseball than you do. I’ms ure you know more about football than I do. That’s why I don’t go over to AP and pontificate about how you guys just don’t get it.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
No I have studied plenty of advance sabermetrics and some are ok, but there is planty wrong with a lot of them.
You assume you know more than me, and thats fine. I have come to expect that from you
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I’m sure you have figured out that there is planty wrong with a lot of them. Your opinion carries a lot of weight with me. So far your analysis has been both deep and inciteful.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
what have I really said? I don't DM, I don't like Frenchy being signed. But I do think AP is a great blog. big deal.
maybe you need to try a little humility on for a change, it’s not all about you. You spoke to me first
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Trust me, you've said planty
It’s great that you like AP. I really don’t care either way. But you chose to come here and disparage this site and its posters who spend a lot of time quoting stats they don’t even understand. Of course you have no basis for this completely uncalled for insult, but you sling it nonetheless. You’re trolling, period.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Try scrolling up, you attack me first and said I didnt understand what i was reading. I responded to you.
Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Perhaps you shouldnt attack first when you are so sensitive.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
You said we just bitch without offering solutions
An insult based on nothing. You ignore the analysis on this site, period. But I’m done with your crap. You don’t get it, period. You claim you understand baseball and advanced metrics, but show absolutely no sign of it. I’m sorry, there’s no reason to believe you. I’m done with you.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
You are right, I have talked so much about stats with you, that you are ready to draw a conclusion on my knowledge or lack thereof
Thanks for honoring me with your advanced intellect, it’s tough for us little people to be around such greatness.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I eagerly await your statistical analysis
Any of it. I’m particularly interested in your critique of those advanced stats which you find to be so flawed. There are limitations in every stat and metric. I’m really curious to see what you’ve found.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
No thanks, I wouldn't enjoy the repeated of myself that it would take for you to comprehend.
But maybe one day I will put it out in a paperback pop up book for you.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice mature effort at sidestepping there
Hey, I’m sure your statistical knowledge and analysis are first rate. Keep up the good work. Glad to have you here at RR. I look forward to your deep and meaningful analysis.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure you do
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
No really, I do
It might not be deep and meaningful, but I certainly look forward to it. Hey, if you really know stats and advanced metrics, I look forward to you adding to the analysis on this site. And if you don’t, well that will be fun too.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
yep you have AP pegged
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't describe it as awful
its a very different community and it has its fair share of chaffe but after a while you pick up a decerning eye for quality posts (and posters) and I’ve only learned to tolerate it because I’ve grown so weary of the Star’s coverage. Mostly I like it because it means I’ll almost always have something new to read but it will never pass up RR or Rock Chalk Talk for that matter.
Yea ≠ Yeah
the most trafficed blog in the NFL is awful...
Now i know what type of person I am dealing with
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by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Look I like AP... I spend a lot of time there, and have some pretty good friends because of there...
But traffic doesn’t necessarily equal quality. Plenty of factors go into that, and the biggest is the volume of information there.
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
AP is fine
The metrics for football and baseball are different. In fact, I might say that AP would be considered a “saber” friendly blog, by football standards. Some of the tape breakdowns by Beswaf and KaloPheonix are really good — much better information that you can get on football anywhere else.
But it would be unwise to come here, say that these people (several of whom actually write for other stat-friendly fan sites and design studies) have no idea what they are doing. This site generates less overall content, but it is high quality overall.
And it is true that the quality content at AP gets swamped by a lot of bad content too (especially in the fanposts and fanshots section). They moderate more heavily here.
by bas on Dec 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
theres really no a whole lot of moderation that even goes on here....
i remember a couple people getting banned and one guy, from AP coincidently, putting up a bunch of dumb fanposts and getting mocked heavily, but other than that, its pretty self policed.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
why in the hell
are we pulling AP into this?
I mean it s a great blog sometimes over analyzes the games but its better than Royals Review. Seems like the Royals are one big joke along with the front office the coaching staff and everything else many guys complain about. have some faith
Oh that is such a ridiculous statement...
Until about 2 weeks ago, the Royals had a better winning percentage over the last 5 years than the Chiefs. Lets not forget how truly awful the Chiefs have been going into this year.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that...
And I like AP, but what does the team have to do with the quality of the blog? And AP was brought up by 2 hardcore AP guys, not RR guys.
And don’t act like AP doesn’t have their fair share of mouth breathing dolts, the Game Threads week 5 was the most idiotic poorly thought out drible I’ve ever seen from the bulk of the commenters
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair....
i think i brought AP up first….b/c two guys with chiefs crap in their names came on spewing all sorts of crazy nonsense…and i pointed out that stuff like that is why AP is not awesome
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 9, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
there's a difference between the sports
baseball talk radio would be good, you can change the story up every day. football talk radio is hard to deal with because it’s one topic for 5 straight days
Same goes for the sites.
I remember APers wanting Haley fired last year. Football fans are the worst when it comes to patience. Worse than Baseball fans
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Jesus Freaking Christ
What a god-damn bunch of whingers.
It’s a ONE YEAR DEAL for $2.5 MILLION. Big freaking deal. He blocks absolutely no one.
I would argue those supporting this move
are the wingers
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by DCRoyals on Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think its a huge deal....
im not that mad. however, supporting this deal, in any way saying it is a good move, is asinine. Its a not terrible move b/c it effectively blocks Moore from the terrible Jose Guillen type of deal. Thats its only value.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here are your four options:
1. Spend $2.5M on Francoeur
2. Save $2.5M for the FA budget for 2012 (or beyond), an international FA signing, or an above-slot pool for draft picks…and play one or more of the Royals’ younger, cost-controlled internal options to see what you’ve got;
3. Spend $2.5M on another FA OF option (Kearns, etc.);
4. Take the money and light it on fire.
Well, actually, options 1 and 4 are the same, so really there are just three. Which would you have done?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he'd fall under No. 3
But what did he sign for? Maybe there’s an option 5: Sign Cust for less than $2.5M.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Where’s he going to play??? You cannot possibly think he can be an outfielder; signing him only blocks Kila.
THAT’S the sort of move that WOULD piss me off.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Cust plays OF and DH
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Cust does NOT play outfield. He will go out and stand in the outfield from time to time, it is true. But he is not an outfield.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough...
but…
Cust Bat > Frenchy Glove
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't up for signing Cust
Can’t play the field and we don’t need any more 1B/DHs. I was sort of hoping we would sign Jon Garland and nobody else.
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I'd just rather have him than Frenchy
and I know he plays the OF terribly, but overall, Cust’s contributions would be greater than Frenchy in the OF. Probably not even close.
Yeah, but I'd rather have neither one
Agreed, though, that Cust would be more useful than Frenchy. He can do one thing well, which is hit. Frenchy can do zero things well.
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I see no evidence that the major league budget has limited the Royals ability to sign draft picks above slot or hindered activity in the international market. I also see little evidence that the $2.5 million can buy anyone substantially better than Francouer—I mean Matt Diaz at 32 got a 2 year contract.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Royals spending in LA has really decreased over the past couple of years
At the same time, many crappy FA’s have been signed for millions of dollars. Think that’s completely unrelated and MLB payroll has no impact on draft or L.A. FA signings?
And why spend $2.5M on a player worse than in-house options?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
no evidence this is actually how it works.
Perhaps the money either goes into major league payroll or glass’s pocket. draft or international isn’t even an option.
There's nothing to prevent Glass from allocating the funds that way
If he’s just giving Dayton a bright line number every year for MLB payroll and saying “spend it or lose it” then he’s being foolish, short-sighted, and limiting his front office unnecessarily from using all available resources as wisely as they should be able to.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
He blocks Lough
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
He would be playing over a better player
Based on their performance in recent seasons, Mitch Maier is aboutr a 1.0 WAR player. On the same criteria, Francoeur is maybe a 0.5 WAR player. So the Royals just spent at least $2.5M to get 0.5 WAR worse than if they’d signed no one. Is that worth criticizing? I guess we’re just a bunch of “whingers.”
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mitch Maier’s CAREER WAR: 0.7
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5588&position=OF
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Compare the last 2 or 3 seasons of WAR for both Maier and Francoeur
Maier has more. And then adjust both for a full season of playing time. The WAR gap widens. So which player is better?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Naughty, naughty, one doesn’t “adjust” WAR to include expanded playing time. They’ll take away your SABR wings for that!
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I understand, but I think you get my point. Maier has accumulated more WAR in less playing time. Do you think Francoeur is a better player, or if you will a better RFer than Maier. Or to put it another way, do you think Francoeur would do better as a full-time RFer for the Royals in 2011 than Maier? If so, why?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
2 year deal
Dayton dumping Frenchy after a year is like peanut butter and jelly divorcing
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we have the greatest system ever
it’s so great that none of our OFers can put up an OPS+ of 85 at the ML level now
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It was just bound to happen, is all
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
I will be fine with this move if he hits, and then is traded by midseason for a guy who actually produces down the road.
too bad there is not a contest in acquiring mediocre talent. we would win every year
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I was going to post my pic of Dayton at the Plaza with the Mission Accomplished sign
but Imageshack deleted it apparently.
We're just sinners in the hands of an angry God
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
ah Joanathan Edwards
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree
I long ago theorized that Bret Saberhagen ate live puppies sometime in the Spring of 1985 as an offering. Ever since we’ve been reaping chamic retribution.
Yea ≠ Yeah
Dust in the wind.
All we are is dust in the wind.
This was predestined. Jean Calvin was right.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
sounds like you got a little Doctrine of Sverign Grace in you, are you a Calvinist?
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
just saying you keep quiting edwards and Calvin, is Spurgeon and Piper next?
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
*quoting
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't heard of those guys
but they’re now on my reading list.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
start with Spurgeon, Piper just quotes edwards, but in modern form.
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hey there
AP readers aren’t allowed to put their filthy opinion stuff on here.
Us RR readers won’t stand for it
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
You're our boy.
"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947
Yea well, Matt Cassel misses practice, so they all gave up on the season
and became Royals fans.
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where is that blond in the stands pic?
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by la flama blanca on Dec 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Other great KC sports news:
Cassel with an emergency appendectomy today.
SHIT
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
So is he playing or not? lol.
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I can't wait to see Brokie Croyle against the "number 1 statistical" defense
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Looks liike me and ups are finally going to get our wish.
This is going to be awesome. Chiefs are guaranteed to win the division now.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
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Time to give Brodie some love and support man.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
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"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Gonna google appendectomy recover time now....brb.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
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"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
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I've heard 2-4 weeks
But they also said Cassel will be ‘back to work’ later this week. I think it was Adam Schefler who said on Twitter that the difference between ‘back to work’ and actually playing could be vast.
State of the art methods of doing appendectomies minimize invasiveness
In short, they don’t have to cut into him with a scalpel and cut the thing out. They can “scope it” and do it in a way where his recovery should be quicker. Can’t say how quick though.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think that would be a mistake
I’m no doctor but I bet his surgeon would advise against that. And I think the risk that he’d make things worse by taking some belly hits would be greater than the benefit of having him out there for that game.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
my mom is an elementary school teacher
and she was out 8 days….I cant imagine a fb player would be less than 10 or 11 days, which would be 2 games missed.
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well shit...he could be down until the playoffs.
Appendectomy is a surgery that is performed to remove an inflamed and infected appendix. This surgery is fairly commonplace, and is usually performed, to minimize chances of rupture, whenever appendicitis is suspected. The appendectomy recovery time is based on the age of a patient, his/her condition before surgery, complications, and other circumstances. A patient undergoing an appendectomy is given general anesthesia, and thus they do not feel any pain while it is being done. During the surgery, an incision is made in the lower right side area of the belly, and the inflamed appendix is removed. In a minimally invasive technique, called laparoscopic appendectomy, a tiny incision is made and a camera is used. Laparoscopic appendectomy recovery time is significantly shorter than open appendectomy recovery time. In the former, post operative pain may be for 12 hours, and hospitalization may be for a day. In the latter, post operative pain could last for 36 hours, while the patient may be hospitalized for up to 3 days.
The pace of recovery during the appendectomy recovery period is likely to depend on the patient’s overall health. The time frame during which care is to be taken is usually between 10 and 28 days. Young children usually need longer, especially those who are 10 years and younger and may need three weeks to recover. Patients can expect to resume their normal activities about 4 to 6 weeks after surgery. Cases where the appendix has burst are more serious, and may call for longer surgery and extended recovery time. Good care during this period is of utmost importance, and can result in a patient returning to normal life without having to make changes to their diet, exercise or lifestyle.
Appendectomy Recovery Care
To heal faster and reduce chances of complications during your appendectomy recovery period, take the following precautions:
* The golden rule after any surgery is to get as much rest as possible. During the first few weeks after surgery, you must avoid strenuous activity. If you have gone through a laparoscopic surgery, activity must be very little during the three to five days after surgery, while if you have had an open appendectomy, the time frame, for recovery, in this regard is the first 10 to 14 days after surgery. If you feel exceptionally well in a few days time, consult your doctor before you resume normal activity.
* A very important step to hasten recovery is to support your abdomen every time you cough. During the appendectomy recovery time, you are likely to experience abdominal pain whenever you laugh, cough, or move. To support the area operated upon and minimize pain, place a pillow on your abdomen and gently apply pressure before you move.
* While recovering from any surgery, everyone encounters some amount of pain. However, if you experience excess pain it will hamper your progress. This kind of pain will increase the stress your body is under and may slow down the healing process. Thus, if you find that the pain is more than slight discomfort or persists despite prescribed pain medications, let your doctor know.
* Once you are further along your recovery period, and decide to resume work or return to school, ensure you are completely ready for the added stress. Kids who return to school in less than a week after surgery, should be careful not to exert themselves in sports or gym class, up to four weeks after surgery.
* Good nutrition is another very important factor, as you need to give your body all the help possible to rebuild and regenerate. Ensure that your diet is healthy and packed with immunity boosting vitamins. Supplements of beta-carotene or vitamin A, which promotes healthy scar tissue may be taken after consultation with your doctor. Vitamin C strengthens the immune system and assists the healing of skin.
NOT GOOD.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
He can play, he just can't laugh.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Juicy tweet!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!
Ken Rosenthal
Source: One of #Marlins’ attempted 3-team trades would have landed them Greinke. Talks still alive, but called “lukewarm.” MORE #Royals #MLB
3-team trade was with #Rangers and #Royals. Not sure other pieces. PB Post said Nolasco, Nunez involved in diff 3-team deal.
well, considering Maybin isn't a Marlin...
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Four-team deal!
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is back
Whats up old enemy :)
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
And now we've become the closest of friends.
But we did have our moments. Good times…
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I tried to give Guillen a chance and he blew it
But look at Yuni, not as horrible as everyone expected…
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t go there.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
...it all comes full circle.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
ha ha....
and you make your comeback the one day you can be guaranteed that you will not be public enemy number 1. Francoeur for MVP?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
stanton and morrison...sold
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Stanton for Greinke…sign me right the freak up.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 8, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Someone get the Braves involved
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LOL I thought Moron was learning and then he goes and does this
He is a terrible GM and an awesome scout. He should just be a scout if he’s going to trade our BEST hitter and replace him with one of the WORST hitters in all of baseball…
Unless Moron has a trick up his sleeve and wants the #1 pick in 2011 I don’t understand what this is all about. Blanco, Gordon, Maier and Francour – the worst quartet of outfielders since the 19th century
You obviously do not understand the awesome sauce that is Vin Mazzaro
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder what Mazzaro sauce tastes like
A little sweet, a lot of sour and very bitter would be my guess.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
sounds more like our tears after watching him pitch
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's where Mazzaro sauce comes from
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are just being negative
He’s light years ahead of Bannister. Come on a 4.27 ERA, not too terrible SO/BB for a 23 year old? Bannister is like 30! It not like Oaklands park
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
***park is THAT much bigger than the K
It just has popups…I would argue the Angles and Rangers have had better offenses over the past two years than the Indians, Whitesox, Twins maybe not the Tigers
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
oaklands defense was the best in baseball last year....
ours was not….that will raise his ERA unless he vastly improves
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
He looked kind of good when he first came out but yeah his numbers and peripherals are pretty bad
But hey, as long as he can a be a decent 4th or 5th who gives a fuck? If he pushes Hochevar to become a top of the rotation guy we should be solid with Greinke/Hochevar/Montgomery/Lamb/Mazzaro
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Please explain how one pitcher, Vin Mazzaro in this example, will "push" Hochevar to become a top of the rotation guy.
Please explain this phenomenon. Just because Mazzaro puts on a KC uniform, what, Hochevar’s stuff sinks more? His FB goes up .5 mph and his breaking ball breaks more?
I mean..did Hochevar check MLBTR on the day of the trade and think “oh snap, we got Vin Vin now? Oh shit I best get to working out, double time!”
Killing time until time kills me
It shouldn't be that complicated really
Its called competition. Greinke credits Gil Meche (remember him) for making him a better pitcher, so in essence Meche PUSHED Greinke to be a better player
Take a step back from sabermetrics, and remember if/when you were an athlete and recall if any of your teammates pushed you to be a better player….
If Mazzaro comes in and lights it up maybe Hochevar can lean something, anything from him as a fellow right hander
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 8, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, yeah, but
how will Vin Mazzaro, specifically, push Luke Hochevar to be better? He’s Vin Mazzaro. A middling pitcher at best. Do you have proof that he – specifically – can be the person to “push” Hochevar to be better (when other starters over the last 3+ years have failed to do so)?
WTF, self?
Maybe Hoch will just look better pitching the day before him?
No…that would have worked with our other starters the last 3+ years, too. I’m out of theories.
I don't see how you guys could be against this.
He had NINETEEN outfield assists.
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Quite frankly, we're lucky to get 19 OF assist-quality defense for $2.5M per year.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
can we at least get a Frenchy Connection going
so that we can get some good heroin this year
Frenchy isn’t being traded in 2011 unless he joins the Crips
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metrics are all over the place
as are the scouting opinions I’ve seen. My guess from what I’ve seen/read is that he isn’t as awesome as some people think. Probably average-ish range, very good arm. Above average overall. It’s all that keeps him from being a definite replacement level scrub, really.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
All I know for certain, is that it's time for all of us....
to bend over, grab our cheeks, spread’em, and brace for the pain….
because within a couple of days, we’ll be analyzing the list of the 3 minor league prospects that nobody has ever heard of that Dayton Moore traded away Greinke for, and scratching our heads, trying to figure out, what Dayton see’s that we can’t, and asking each other, why.
There won’t be any answers. No logic. The three prospects will have no immediate or future impact and will be out of baseball in short order, and Zack will be gone.
You think you hate Dayton Moore now? Just give this knucklehead a few days.
Dayton is the master at dumping salary for Mr.Glass, and at trading great talent for piles of dog shit.
You’ll see. Just remember who told you.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Dayton Moore.....just his name is damn near comical at this point.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Hey Will, Jeff or NY can we get another FanPost for current nonFrenchy Rumors
I get the Frenchhate just want a current one with less post
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Can I nominate an overflow girl?
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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.
And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:
"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~
Tried to buy my new Francoeur jersey on Royals.com, but they're not up yet
DAMN!
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Finally, the prophecy foretold by the ancient ones
has finally come to fruition.
Now those who mocked the Baby Braves of 2005 must answer for their crimes. Prepair yourself, NL East, for the Royals will reign supreme for the next thousand years! Mwhahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions
MORE INSANITY WOLF PLEASE
OK
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 8, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
It feels so strange.
Because we knew this would happen so long time ago.
An inevitable destiny, like finally embracing death.
by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on Dec 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions
So in summation of todays signing
I feel like this now. Thanks Dayton!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
As a Met fan,
I cosign everything said about the suckiness of Jeff Francoeur. And “Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe” is probably GeddyLeeIsGod, Francoeur trollfan from Amazin’Alderson Avenue
What's that about?
@who wouldn't prefer this guy + $3M to David Dejesus?@
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 8, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions
Over flow link
http://www.royalsreview.com/2010/12/8/1865044/jeff-francoeur-signing-overflow-thread#comments
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 8, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
It hasn't been locked down yet
To me there are three things we all should do every day, if we do this every day of our life... Number 1 is laugh, you should laugh every day. Number 2 is think, you should spend some time in thought, and number 3 is you should have your emotions moved to tears... Could be happiness or joy.--- Jimmy V.
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
So who is this Jeff Francoeur
and what will he do for the Royals? Seems like we need to figure that out, no?
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