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Didn't like Kyle Farnsworth as a relief pitcher? Hang on, he might be a starting pitcher for the Royals this year.

"Kyle Farnsworth is competing for a job in the rotation," pitching coach Bob McClure revealed Wednesday.

That's right, the big right-hander will at least get a chance to show what he can do as a starter in Spring Training.

"We're going to lengthen him out and see how it goes," McClure said. "Because what he showed me last year was the ability to back off a little bit and not pitch with his hair on fire. And, to be a starter, you have to be able to just kind of go pitch-by-pitch."

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I really hope he is our ace

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It doesn't hurt

Because it won’t happen.

I just think it is symptomatic of the Royal’s problems that will give a shot to a 34 year old career reliever who survives purely on a fastball. He’s suddenly added 2 good offspeed pitches to his arsenal? Really? This at the same time as they have signed (rightly) a whole bunch of guys like Campillo and Thompson who actually might be worth a look as the 5th guy in the rotation.

It’s like Teahen to 2nd last year. It’s pissing about for the sake of it when they should have far higher priorities.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 11, 2010 5:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

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by cookierojas73 on Feb 11, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Better than Duncan across the state?

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by 306008 on Feb 11, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

With this offense

He won’t have any leads to blow.

by NotAHippie on Feb 11, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

KC only turns bad relievers into starters.

If stretching him out ultimately lands him the mop-up role, I’m all for it.

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Feb 11, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

It also could be some CoachSpeak

maybe Farnsy asked to try his hand at starting, so McClure would rather “give him a shot” by “letting him compete” than say “no, dumbass. you’re not even a very good reliever, what makes you think you could be a starter?”

alternatively, i do like the theory below that changing his pitching style may make him a more effective pitcher.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In theory I like this

What’s the reason that his fastballs get mashed? They are very fast, but also very straight. As a starter, he’s going to have to back off and not throw as hard. I’ve heard other pitchers say that when they back off on the fastball, they get a little more movement on it. Maybe that’s enough to make Farnsworth into a decent pitcher, or maybe this is the entire scheme by McClure to get him to back off on his fastball as a reliever, but in order to get him to back off, he’s been told he’s being tried for the rotation. I like it.

by AxDxMx on Feb 11, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

If you can't beat them, join them, right?

That’s the theory here I think… GMDM realizes that he wasted money on Farnsworth, now he’s going to try to see if he can recover that… but he’ll also put him out there for 145 pitch bullpen sessions. Watch out Farnsi, your arm is next!

If he does back off, it may help some movement… does he have any other pitch that is MLB average?

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by 306008 on Feb 11, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

disagree

soria would never hold up as a starter and is a valuable commodity no matter what role he pitches in. farnsworth has a great frame, good mechanics, and is here on a 1-year deal. we lose almost nothing if this doesn’t work out.

i love love love this idea. best thing we’ve done this offseason aside from signing Arguelles. he added two pitches last year with the 2-seamer and the cutter, and can still throw the gas as well as the great breaking ball.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Feb 11, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fine

But McLure justifies it by going on about Soria’s value as a closer. Which is just retarded.

If you think his arm will fall off, fine. I can live with that. But pretending he has more value as a reliever than a starter is dumb.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

soria would never hold up as a starter

I don’t know what evidence we have that supports that notion.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 11, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not necessarily a good thing

I still vividly remember his first relief appearance as a Royal, too.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Feb 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here

And I didn’t even see it live.

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by awolfson on Feb 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah......

Let’s make him pitch more innings so he can give up more homeruns!

It’s the Royal Way!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it's my opinion

i’ve been saying this for a while. and i’ve read some places that don’t like his mechanics, especially his follow through. put him in the pen, let him throw 70-80 innings. that has always been my stance on this.

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by doublestix on Feb 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I sort of agree

Farnsworth aside, most ace relievers could probably stand to work a LOT more — I think 100 innings of work isn’t unreasonable for Soria, and if used properly (ahem), i.e., up by 3 or less, he gets two innings of work, he could be way more valuable. Of course, that goes for pretty much all reliever.

And if he can’t handle that workload, then he’s really, really overrated and should definitely be traded.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

HELLO

He threw a perfecto in the winter leagues

by focs on Feb 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that makes sense

“well, he said he’d like to try pitching again, so we’ll let him work through it in spring training. and may. maybe june….”

by grantfunk on Feb 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mystery Solved

We know know why the Royals WILL have the 6th best rotation in baseball. Farnsy FTW!

by chiefstatnut on Feb 11, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

It's just plain logic

If a guy has trouble pitching as a starter, he might be better suited for the ’pen.

If a guy has trouble as a reliever, he might be better suited as a starter.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Or in Farnsworth's case

Where he sucked as a starter, was moved to the pen because of it. 10 years is a long time, he might have figured out.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a career in ditchdigging

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 11, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This is bizarre

at best

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

compared to the usual

i’ll take bizarre

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 11, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Please post the exact thing I do second before me :(

I have hope that Farns will be able to transition as Dempster did after reading that article

by Boots 58 on Feb 11, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It does not matter who says it as long as it gets said

The problem with the Dempster comp is that unlike Farnsworth, Dempster already had a pretty good changeup to complement his fastball/slider combo.

by Gopherballs on Feb 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Dave makes good points

but I still have serious doubts. His straightball hasn’t been a asset since 2006, according to the lwts values, is it going to be better once he’s starting? His slider has been above average since 2007. NOt sure what’s up with the 2009 cutter numbers — those might be promising, or BIS might have misidentified a pitch.

CHONE projections a 4.22 FIP as a reliever, and applying the “general rule,” that’s about 5.22 as a starter — not necessarily replacement level, but close. It might be a worth a shot in general (certainly better than giving Maier/Kila/Fields/Rosa playing time!), but I’d rather see them give Davies, Tejeda, or Campillo each a whirl. I realize their numbers might not fit as well as Farnsworth’s, of course, so it isn’t the end of the world. But when we’re applauding Dayton for desperation moves like this, well, what more is there to say?

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

slider _hasn't_ been an asset

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but the last two years it's been off

the cutter thing is curious, makes me wonder if some FB/SL were mis identified in 2009, or maybe Banny taught him his cutter?

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

per the article

McClure reintroduced Farnsworth to the two-seamer/cutter last year

by Gopherballs on Feb 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume that is a likely explanation for the increased GB rate

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, my best guess would be that it does not work out

but it does show some creativity and as Cameron notes, there is some logic to it. Farnsworth is a sunk cost who will be gone no later than the end of the season. We know enough about him as a reliever that another year in the pen, pretty much no matter what the results, is going to change anyone’s valuation of him. If he shows something as a starter, however, the cost might not be completely sunk.

I think Davies and Tejeda are relievers long term and Campillo is an insurance policy. Tejeda is the most interesting of the group as a starter, even with my doubts that he can overcome his control problems. I would prefer to move Davies to the pen now, given his contract situation, but I could see why giving him another shot in the rotation before Farnsworth makes sense.

And I agree that when “hmm, let’s experiment with Farnsworth as a starter” is one of the more inspired ideas in an offseason, sadness immediately follows.

by Gopherballs on Feb 11, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about Davies and Tejeda likely being relievers

I just think there’s more upside to giving them time in the rotation than there is with Farns, that’s all.

part of me also thinks that no other team would ever bite on Farnsworth the starter, but that if he gets out to a good start to the year, the team could move his part of his contract for a “live arm” or something.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

vs RHB: 3.43 BB/9, 9.45 K/9, 41% GB%, 3.68 xFIP
vs LHB: 4.63 BB/9, 10.41 K/9, 36% GB%, 3.89 xFIP

that looks like basically no platoon split.

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by doublestix on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s still not a big difference. he can get lefties out. there’s no dire need to develop some changeup or splitter. a lot of pitchers have splits like this.

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by doublestix on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is a lot of relievers dont though

A lot of relievers have bad splits vs either left or right. The Farns, apparently, does not

by Boots 58 on Feb 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He can get lefties out as a reliever with one pitch

But the relevant question is how many starters have this weak of a platoon split without a serviceable change up, curve, or splitter?

As I said, maybe his slider, given its modest break, works well enough against lefties to account for his relative success against lefties, but given all the research we know about pitch types, it would be the major exception to the rule.

by Gopherballs on Feb 11, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The K and BB splits are crazy

I’m still get used to the splits pages, and I wish they had O-Swing on there, but he does seem to try to pitch around lefties, and they either bite on it or don’t.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing the Twins aren't in the division

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, wow...

It’s novel, I’ll give them credit for that. But not a lot else.

Murphy was an optimist.

by The Ol' Perfesser on Feb 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting Farnsworth graphs to ponder

nothing meant by them, it’s just interesting to see how much relievers can vary and stuff.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

That BB/9 graph is ridiculous.

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by averagegatsby on Feb 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Against lefties, I meant

Probably just a sample size variation, but maybe there’s something there. And it didn’t affect his ERA one bit.

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by awolfson on Feb 11, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what to think about it

We all know what he is as a reliever. Never seen what he could do as a starter. As mentioned above, if Mac can pull this one off, he should be put into the Royals hall of fame after this season…

by kcdynasty on Feb 11, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

The one thing I know...

it that increased my interest in Farnsworth’s ST appearances infinity percent.

by billexgordler on Feb 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

A Couple of Things:

1. They’ve said a lot of guys would “get a look.” Crow, Tejeda, Campillo (I think?), and now Farnsworth. It’s just creating competition. Were it not for his garaunteed contract, he wouldn’t have a job, let alone be a starter.

2. When Crow was drafted, many speculated that he’d be ready by the ASB. Again, if true, our fifth guy, Farnsworth or whoever, is just holding a place.

3. This puts Tejeda and Davies in the pen, and I’m more concerned about finding an 8th inning guy than a fifth starter. We need a bridge to Soria, and I wouldn’t count on Farns or Cruz getting it done. Tejeda, Davies, and Jack could be a pretty good back of the bullpen.

4. Our starters blow their arms out. We can only hope for such luck in regards to Farns.

by Dadunca on Feb 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree with #3,

we need runs or very few given up before the 8th inning. A bridge for the Royals is about as useful as a bridge to Russia.

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by Warden11 on Feb 11, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether this is a good or bad idea,

at least it represents a willingness to gamble on management’s part.

Now, if only they thought that way on the offensive side of the game, and actually gave a real look at guys like Huber and Kaaihue when they could have.

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by loyal2sdad on Feb 11, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

A. Farnsworth is a veteran
B. They owe him a lot of money this season, so he has to be on the team.

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by slayor on Feb 11, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a lot is being read into this comment...

By McClure, probably quite a bit more than is warranted. I mean, remember the Teahen at 2B thing last year? Yeah, this is the new version of that – I think they’ll probably stretch out Farns in ST, then dump him in the bullpen as the long guy. The person I’m really curious about is Tejeda – I would love to see him A. Get the 5 starter job, or B. become the #1 setup man to Soria.

I feel like Tejeda gets buried because he walks a lot of guys, but he strikes out even more and doesn’t give up many hits. THE MAN IS USEFUL!

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by slayor on Feb 11, 2010 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Don't worry

I bet the Tejeda appreciation post and thread comes sometime before camp breaks

by Gopherballs on Feb 11, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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