Wednesday Royals Links: Sickels Loses His Verve, Royal Reflections Considers Shutting Down, Roster Talk
About a month ago the laptop that I'd used for 90% the Royals Review era started dying, descending into a messy period of extreme instability. After about a week of panic, I was able to move all of my work that matters to other venues, so it really wasn't that big of a deal. While a dying Dell didn't destroy my dissertation, it did make me much less inclined to do links posts, since I lost all my old bookmarks and the little link saving program that SB Nation developed.
Anyway, three people said they want the links posts back. So we're back.
Royals:
- Broken Bat Single: 2009 Offensive Positions
- Royally Speaking: Treys lineup
- Countdown to Opening Day: 48 Josh B Anderson OPS+ - Royal Blues
- Tangled Up In (Royal) Blue: Skies Are Gray
Baseball:
- Get Off My Lawn - Minor League Ball
- A Little Saber-Rant: Or Dan's Demented Ramblings - Beyond the Box Score
- Granderson and Left Field | FanGraphs Baseball
- Sabermetrics 101: Value and Wins - Lookout Landing
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
As odd as this sound
The sbnation figure skating link was disappointing.
I was hoping for something that got more into the scoring like a sabermetrics of how the judging breaks down: if so-and-so had done a triple instead of a double-double, he would have gotten this and this element is where he lost points vs this other skater. Or a driveline-mechanics style breakdown, placing 2 spins side by side and saying why one was much better than the other. The best, god forbid, would be the figure skating equivalent of those posts judging umpires using pitchfx where we can see for ourselves with an objective eye how good or bad the scoring is and who really should win. It’s one thing for a sport like baseball that can be influenced by officials but it’s completely another when the final score is decided by officials and they need a suitably high level of scrutiny.
Instead, it read like an AP story and I have no issue with the link being included, but I was surprised to find myself disappointed and wanting more. You know: something that can dissuade me of the notion that figure skating is more rigged than the WWE or NBA. It’s not like whiny Scott Hamilton and that annoying woman ever actually explain much so we’re out of luck there, too.
So instead, my wife can keep watching that schlock while I’m watching streaming Canadian feeds of curling online.
by sterlingice on Feb 17, 2010 11:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd seriously love the Winter Olympics if I could figure out a way to completely avoid figure skating.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
If you have cable or satellite, try MSNBC, USA, and CNBC
I am very excited to watch curling and ice hockey; these sports seem to be on the alternative NBC networks, along with some of the other “less popular” (read "females don’t watch) sports.
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I think Sickels is way off
(I’d rather discuss this here than on Sickels blog)
I can understand Sickels not enjoying the specificity, granularity and complexity of advanced metrics. That’s cool. We all like what we like. But I think he goes off the rails when he says:
My personal opinion is that the many of the newest metrics (at least in regards to hitting and pitching) are just more complicated ways to say the same basic truths.
He couldn’t be more wrong. Everyone wants stats and metrics which actually describe a player’s performance. This is harder than it sounds. Even though baseball is full of isolated events which lend themselves to statistical analysis, it is difficult to find stats which isolate a single player’s performance and seperate it from the performance of others around him. ERA is nice but it is heavily dependent on defense as well as the performance of some other pitchers. So you need advanced metricds like FIP and tRA to isolate the pitcher’s performance. Pitch f/x and all of its details offer another way to statistically describe and measure a pitcher’s performance. These are not just more complicated ways to say the same thing. They are better ways which get us closer and closer to actual truth. The same can be said of hitting stats as well. And defense goes without saying.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agree as well
but is he talking about ERA and FIP? Or is he talking more about FIP and tRA and SIERA and xFIP? (just to use pitching stats as an example)
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I think he’s talking about more advanced metricds like FIP, tRA, etc. And those are all a part of a continual process of innovation and improvement. We haven’t “arrived” with regard to advanced metrics. It’s not like we got to tRA and now we can say “done.” Much improvement can, should and will be made. Isolating performance (and specific variables therein) is not easy. Statistical analysis has made a lot of progress over the last 20 years, but there is still a long way to go, and not just in defensive metrics. This is not just about adding needless granularity. It’s about gaining more information and helping us get to the truth about performance, which is elusive.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I like advanced metrics
and think this guy is wrong…but I’m getting worried about the direction, just a tad. To grow off of an equation, or datum, that datum has to be in a known exact place. If you extrapolate and combine two equations that do not correctly value the player, how can you expect to get a more accurate look. It’s like saying you want a house at coordinates (5,15) and you have one system that will get you 4 to 6 in the x direction, a tool that will get you able to turn 85 to 95 degrees and then another system that will measure out between 13 and 20 in the y direction. You could end up in a WIDE variety of areas, with the variance growing with each step added.
Some of these statistics have to have HUGE standard deviations (especially defensive statistics). Yet I never here anyone talk about the validity of statistics through variance. You hear sample size a lot, in that someone with a small sample size’s advanced metrics cannot be looked into with much success. However, it is equally true (if not more so) that a player’s statistics with high std dev. can produce no conclusive results. (unless you believe the statistic to be absolutely correct, and therefore you can observe the actual player to be the one with a high std dev on his play)
Lots of stats are becoming the average of the average minus this average scaled to compare with the average player knowing that a certain percentage of plays should be in your zone. The certain parks/leagues are weighted to look more like the average. I think too much “fudging” is done. Isn’t the K going to look a lot more like a pitchers park this year because of our awful offense and a phenomenal pitcher?
And how volitle are these statistics? What would a scorekeepers error vs. hit do to a fielding metric, if anything. What would an in-zone/out of zone decision on a flyball do to an outfielders metric? If this is a highly volitile statistic, it should have less credibility.
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I'm sure someone else will correct me if I'm wrong
but I “think” park factors are figured from visiting teams into stadiums. So our putrid offense has nothing to do with how the K will rate.
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and the best ones
are calculated using multiplle years of data, 3-5 years or more, and then regressed against the rest of the league.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
do they throw out pitchers and DH too?
when comparing parks across leagues?
I didn’t know about the factor using the visiting teams stats, so let me rephrase. Now instead of our bad offense skewing the numbers couldn’t a strong or weak pitching staff skew the numbers pretty dramatically?
Shouldn’t it all be park dimensions and weather related? What else would truly affect the park factors?
or just take a cannon to home plate and shoot it off a few thousand times at each park, haha.
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You still have to separate out the stats by what they measure
The fact that the good defensive metrics are not as accurate as the good offensive or pitching metrics should not affect the evaluation of the offensive and pitching metrics.
The best of offensive stats like wOBA and the related linear weights metrics are pretty damn accurate. There are years and years of data showing how much a different outcome affects scoring, so you are able to figure out a how much a walk versus a single versus a groundball out is worth on average and then scale it in away that leads to easy comparisons.
Evaluating pitching has a few more moving parts, but using data independent of fielding like strikeout rates, walk rates, home run rates, and batted ball profiles (groundball/flyball/line drive percentages) to create run-scaled metrics like FIP, xFIP, and tRA gets you most of the way there.
Defensive stats are not at the same level of precision, but the guys who have devised them do not held them out as such. The guy who created UZR is the first guy to tell you that you need multiple years of data to gain confidence in the results, and even then, it is still best to view the result in a range of +5 to -5. In other words, if UZR has Player X at +2 runs over the last three years, you should have confidence that his true talent level is somewhere between -3 runs and +7 runs, with the confidence gaining as you approach +2. You can then compare it with other defensive metrics as well as scouting reports, and the more they all agree, the more confidence you have in evaluating that player and the accuracy in the value of his defense. The fact UZR at this point cannot spit out one number and have it be the 100% guaranteed precise measurement of a player’s defensive value does not eliminate its usefulness in getting you a good part of the way there.
No, but
But we see a lot of people holding up values that incorporate defensive metrics as the sum of their whole as almost as good as the more advanced hitting metrics.
In particular, I still cringe when we use WAR as the shorthand to value a player. Especially when there are wild defensive swings from year to year that turn a player from a net neutral to detriment to positive across a 3 year span when the more mature hitting metrics have him roughly equal. To me, it’s much more likely that said player was the same player he always was but noise in the defense caused a drastic change in perception.
by sterlingice on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...and that's why projections include appropriate amounts of regression
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 18, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
So why not just make UZR into a weighted stat,
based on the previous 3 years? It’s more likely to be an accurate picture.
you could say the same thing about hitting or pitching stats stats
sometimes you just want a record of what (in the case of UZR) you’re estimating happens
people can look stuff up as they want, I don’t think we need to “hide” the raw stats from people who don’t know how to use them
if people can’t tell the different between estimating true talent and observed performance, then either they’ll learn or they won’t.
WAR still the best overall concept (with multiple possible implementations) we have of how value a player. Is is perfect? No. Can it be improved? Yes, and in ways we haven’t thought of yet. Can it be misused? Yes. Are fans and teams better off ignoring it? Only if they’re royals employees trying to keep their job.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
So basically, the hunt is on for the Unified Theory of Baseball
And not Dayton Moore’s Yuni-fied “Theory” of Baseball.
Eventually it will all be boiled down to one equation.
by AxDxMx on Feb 17, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If only Stephen Hawking and Dr Michio Kaku were into baseball
Pitchers and Catchers report February 17th... And so begins my masochistic addiction.
by averagegatsby on Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
And the answer will be 42
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Now if we only knew the question.
by royallyspeaking on Feb 17, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
and whether or not he is able to use more granulated stats like Pitch F/X
for MiLB players, the research coming from the ever-evolving saber tools will help him and others (306008, for instance) understand what can be or may be going on behind the scenes. The same way learning that ERA, RBI, and errors are poor measures of absolute performance, the newer tools will also help fine-tune the scouting-eye by providing a different perspective.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 17, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
SMGyver
I like metrics. I don’t like the D metrics. I love the offensive and pitching ones. My argument there was I don’t agree with the D ones. Then some guy complained that we have small minds. And our HS would be better off canning us… so I had to argue why HS doesn’t deserve metrics…
I think what I was saying might have been misconstrued… but if you read the comments in order you’ll wrap your mind around the whole conversation and see my point.
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I saw that the conversation devolved quickly over there
and I understand your point. I was just putting out there that being aware of the different metrics (off/def/pitch) is important — not necessarily b/c you believe every last one of them or because you can use them (since in many cases you don’t have the data), but because they can provide insight about different ways to look at players’ strengths and weaknesses. For instance, how do you value someone’s arm vs someone’s range? I don’t know, but that’s the kind of question that evolving metrics may help elucidate and could be useful to a coach/scout.
Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "...And like all my plans, it's so simple an idiot could have devised it!"
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
Metrics are great. The D ones need to be fine tuned…
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agreed
i even think WAR overall still has a ways to go: quality of competition and/or league adjustments and having to use regression to cover for limited sample sizes being my two most likely culprits for error.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
The resistance to Pitch F/X is what I don't get
Now, I get Sickels’ point that his niche is the minors, Pitch F/X is not coming to the minors anytime soon, so he is not going to invest much time in figuring it out.
But for those who care about the major leagues, don’t you want standardized data on each of a pitcher’s pitches — how fast, how it breaks vertically and horizontally, and how consistent those things and release point are? Wouldn’t that complement the notes taken by a guy 120 feet away about how much a pitch breaks or how consistent the pitch is?
And then rather than just making the subjective judgment that a pitcher’is change up is a plus pitch or whatever, you can take the data and see how the pitch has actually performed against real live batters (including a breakdown by right-handed and left-handed batters)? Would that be something you might be interested in?
It certainly should be something one is interested in
But to take this away from Sickels for a moment… While I am interested in the Pitch f/x data on pitchers’ various pitches, I’m much, much more interested in how well those pitches perform (and, even more with how well the pitcher performs overall). Even if a pitcher’s curveball doesn’t appear to have good raw numbers from Pitch f/x with regard to velocity, movement, etc., I don’t really care as long as it is effective. Similarly, if the pitch looks great but isn’t effective, all I really care about is the effectiveness. The difference between the Pitch f/x numbers and pitch effectiveness might be because of dlivery differences (a deceptive delivery, etc.), how and when pitches are used and other factors. So, if what is really important is how effective pitches are, is the PItch f/x data more than just a somewhat interesting set of raw numbers (similar to a players time in the 40-yard dash)?
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
aren't pitch f/x and 40 yd dashes
Used as a forecasting method? Because of the wide variety of competition “effectiveness” is going to vary widely. Therefore scouting combines can break down players to hopefully objective raw numbers.
Wouldn’t pitch f/x be awesome on players eligible for the MLB draft? Get all the top guys together like the NFL scouting combine and have them pitch while being monitored.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
aren’t pitch f/x and 40 yd dashes Used as a forecasting method?
Well, I think they are used in scouting and talent evaluation. I suppose that could broadly be referred to as a forecasting method, but is more accurately a talent assessment. But what I’m referring to is that there are ways to fairly accurately measure the real world, in-game effectiveness of a player’s pitches, not just measure velocity and movement.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
But I still think in that way you are not measuring the pitchers effectiveness, but deriving it from the hitters effectiveness against him. Or in some cases applying the trend of what a type of contact would yield success/failure.
I think hitting is ahead of pitching stats right now. The pitch “trends” of effective pitchers k rates, fly ball percentages, etc. I don’t really like. It is trying to apply a trend of likelihood across all pitchers to every pitcher. For example the trend may be that 15 percent of fly balls go for homers, and therefore a pitcher is penalized in a statistic that devalues fly balls for that reason, even though he may cause flyballs at a high rate and have a low homer percentage on those.
And I’ve never liked k-rate because I feel that some power pitchers are similar to power hitters. They might k a lot of hitters by challenging them, but they also will get burned with a high hr/rate too. They might be more successful by not challenging the hitter and reducing the likelihood of the k or hr.
As for these trend metrics, we don’t apply those trends to hitters. (although I think there is a metric based on line drive percentage, but not fly ball/ground ball, right?) We don’t say because Neifi Perez popped out all the time we’ll assume that a percentage of those went for home runs and therefore his metric would increase.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
And relating pitch f/x to effectiveness
Couldn’t you essentially correlate pitchers to the “success trends” found on pitch f/x. If you grouped pitches by type/speed/location couldn’t you find the most successful ones, and also find the pitchers who possess the most successful ones.
Is this any different than saying that the most successful pitchers have a high k rate, a lower fly ball percentage, etc. and then making a metric which rewards pitchers for those characteristics?
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I love pitch FX
I think it helps you understand why hitters can’t hit guys. The one thing it does not factor in is deception. But if you want to know who is similar, and what works for someone, and how to set someone up, Pitch FX is awesome. I love the data coming off of it and will continue to watch it.
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I really like this.
I think it helps you understand why hitters can’t hit guys. The one thing it does not factor in is deception.
I’ve read a few places (maybe TucsonRoyal) over the summer that compared pitchers with very similar Pitch f/x data but way different results. The key is to find out why those guys aren’t successful while a pitcher throwing the same stuff is successful. Pitch f/x helps us (not really us, but people who know what they’re doing) find those and explore.
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But I still think in that way you are not measuring the pitchers effectiveness, but deriving it from the hitters effectiveness against him. Or in some cases applying the trend of what a type of contact would yield success/failure.
The measurement of a pitcher’s effectiveness is the hitters’ effectiveness against him. No scoring is kept based on how pretty a curve ball looks.
The pitch "trends" of effective pitchers k rates, fly ball percentages, etc. I don’t really like.
I don’t really understand what you mean here. For example, everyone who has looked at HR/FB has concluded that pitchers have little to no control over it, and park-neutrilized, the rate averages out around 10-11%. If you go to fangraphs and look at all of the pitchers with at least 1000 innings since 2002 (which is as far back as their data goes, and includes only pitchers good enough to get to 1000 IP), almost every pitcher has a HR/FB between 9%-12%.
Like BABIP, there may be some pitchers who have some control over HR/FB (e.g., power pitchers), but the differences are pretty small.
If you do not like just looking at the averages for batted balls, you can also look at the pitcher’s career averages as another point of reference.
And I’ve never liked k-rate because I feel that some power pitchers are similar to power hitters.
What is the best result a pitcher can achieve within his control? A strikeout — an out is recorded and aside from the rare stolen base or passed ball, runners generally do not advance or, most importantly, score. Among things under a pitcher’s control, a strikeout has the greatest effect on preventing the scoring of runs.
Of course, K rate is a component stat, so you obviously want to look at the rest of the pitcher’s profile, including walk rate, HR rate, and batted ball rates, in evaluating him overall.
As for these trend metrics, we don’t apply those trends to hitters.
Right, this is a matter of common sense. Every pitcher who throws a significant number of innings ends up facing generally the same hitters and level of competition, so you can use averages on the outcomes for the various types of batted balls.
For hitters, however, their individual skills are going to affect the effectiveness of their batted balls — the average flyball by Albert Pujols is not the same as the average flyball by Juan Pierre. It is also why regressing BABIP for pitchers works well (as most pitchers show little to no ability to control BABIP, and the difference is relatively small among those who have shown some ability to do so), yet BABIP for hitters is considered a skill.
Fangraphs has a nice feature on how hitters hit pitches
The measurement of a pitcher’s effectiveness is the hitters’ effectiveness against him. No scoring is kept based on how pretty a curve ball looks.
Here is Greinke’s values:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1943&position=P#pitchvalues
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
san diego is a timeless place of well dressed latino women
I never know if Chrissy’s outfit of the day has been recently updated or not, it’s always spring
Isn’t the weather in San Diego constantly spring-like (or early summer-like)?
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
It still gets really hot for stretches in the summer and dips into the 50s for stretches during the winter, but the proximity to the ocean moderates the temperature and keeps the average highs in the mid-60s to high-70s range. A few miles inland can be a different story.
Last time I was there, I randomly saw Chrissy on the news doing some sort of special events reporting. My takeaways were (1) she was a very competent reporter, (2) as you might expect, the station plays up the jiggle and giggle aspect of her personality, and (3) the photos are carefully selected to show her good sides, as it took me a minute to recognize her (think of that Seinfeld episode where the attractiveness of his girlfriend depended on the light).
So... this Vancouver Winter Olympics weather thing...
Don’t they always have weather like this at this time of the year? I mean, a west coast ocean city… it’s a lot like Seattle, Portland, Oakland, San Fran… right? I mean, it’s rainy/snowy and 30/40s… right?
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So if that's the case
Why would the IOC award the winter Olympics to a city like this? I mean, there weren’t better options?
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there were better weather options, but I think Vancouver must have done something
..to sweeten the deal.
X amount of money per venue, Already had a certain number of venues ready to go….ect.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 17, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
The outdoor events were all up in the mountains
The average temps in the mountains would be highs in the 30s/lows in the 20s, but this just happens to be the warmest February in the history of whatever.
Keep in mind that they had a Winter Olympics in California.
sure totally agree with the warmest February thing
It’s like spring already, but those mountains aren’t too high in elevation.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Feb 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's Been Insanely
Warm and wet here this year. I’ve run my snowblower twice, and once it was in the rain. I’d just as soon see it melt now, but in December I sure wished it would snow.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 17, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wierd, according to forcasts, we are going to have 28 out of 28 days in
February be below average tempurature here in SE Kansas.
Go Royals!
They showed a weather map on a local forecast here in Richmond
Basically, if you’re in the eastern half of the US into the midwest, you’ve been below average, some drastically, this past month or twom. But if you’re in the western half, it’s a mirror with them being well above average this winter.
I believe we’re also in the “below average 28 of 28 days” category, btw
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Here's A Good
Overview of El Nino and its effects on weather.
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/eln/home.rxml
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by philofthenorth on Feb 18, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Even Cypress
People think Cypress is some park in Vancouver itself. It’s not, it’s a fair sized mountain in its right 40 minutes away.
By the way RR
I love link pages.
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Quick way
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