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Worst Decisions Possible: 2010


Around this time last year, I wrote about some of the worst possible roster and player usage decisions that Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman could make for the 2009 team.  Of the five I listed, the Royals ended up making two of them.  This year I've come up with 10 bad decisions the Royals could make.  Can the Royals do better than 40% this year?  Let's see.

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1. Jason Kendall catches 100 games?  Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman like Jason Kendall a lot.  They like his defense, his intangibles, his game calling and, in general, the cut of his jib.  They also love that he’s an ironman who can catch a lot of games.  Unfortunately his ironman reputation is just more bad news about Kendall.  CHONE projects him to hit .245/.315/.306 with below average defense.  The clearly grit-deficient Brayan Pena is projected to hit .282/.326/.415 with slightly worse defense.  Statistically Pena is the superior catcher, but Moore and Hillman signed Kendall to be the starter.

     Will they make this mistake?  Yes.  Clearly Moore and Hillman see Kendall’s value not in his hitting but in his leadership/mentoring/game-calling/grit/etc.  While the numbers will be bad, I predict Hillman will love Kendall’s desire to play and the fact that he’s a "real ballplayer."  Unless he gets hit by a bus, I expect Kendall to catch 130+ games.  Yikes.

2. Alberto Callaspo isn’t the starting second baseman or doesn’t get 500 PA’s?  Despite the fact that Alberto Callaspo was one of the Royals best position players in 2009, Dayton Moore acquired Chris Getz, a young second baseman in the offseason and Hillman has put the new guy at the top of the depth chart.  Callaspo projects to be a plus hitter with poor defense and Getz projects to be a plus defender with poor hitting.  More specifically, CHONE projects Callaspo’s offense to be +4 runs over 150 games and his defense to be -5 runs (net -1).  Getz’s projection is -8 runs on offense and +3 runs on defense (net -5).  So Callaspo certainly looks better.  But some say Getz has more upside (even though they are the same age) so maybe giving him a shot isn’t entirely stupid.  But Callaspo really is one of the team’s best overall position players, so they need to get him his PA’s somewhere, even if that means he’s a super-utility player all over the infield and logging some time at DH as well.

     Will they make this mistake?  Maybe, but probably not.  Barring injury, I really think Getz is going to start at second base.  But I don’t think he’s going to start 150 games at that or any other position.  The position will likely be shared to some extent (with Aviles and Bloomquist probably getting some playing time there as well).  And Callaspo can back up Gordon at third base.  Gordon will rest from time to time, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Gordon played some first base with Butler at DH.  It’s a close call, but I think his quality hitting will lead to 500+ PA’s for Callaspo.

3. Alex Gordon isn’t the starting third baseman?  While Callaspo deserves playing time, it definitely shouldn’t come at the expense of Alex Gordon.  In short, Gordon is one of the most talented players on the team and projects to be one of the team’s best hitters.  As long as he’s healthy, he should play 150+ games at third base.  This is a no-brainer.

     Will they make this mistake?  No.  I think Moore and Hillman still like Gordon’s tools, athleticism and upside.  They want as much as they can get out of him.  But they also want to motivate him, so they are acting like he has to earn his starting position.  I don’t know if that is the best use of sports psychology, but I really think that’s all they’re doing.  Gordon is still the man.

4. Yuniesky Betancourt starts at shortstop all season?  At this point, I really don’t need to explain that Yuniesky Betancourt is an exceptionally poor baseball player.  He is.  He projects to be a slightly above replacement level shortstop in 2010.  Unfortunately, as the season starts, he’ll likely be the only Royals shortstop at 100%.  But as Yuni fails and Mike Aviles’s arm gets back into shape, Aviles needs to get his job back.  Aviles is much better than Betancourt.  It’s just that simple.

     Will they make this mistake?  Yes.  I think Moore and Hillman still see Betancourt as having star potential, or at least the potential to be very good.  They see Aviles as someone who doesn’t look like a shortstop.  To their eyes, he doesn’t have the right body and he doesn’t look like he’s got the kind of movement to cover a lot of ground.  Yuni has the tools.  So I think they’ll give him all season and probably some of next season to see if he can blossom into what they want him to be.  All the while, a genuinely talented baseball player will spend time on the bench and occasionally play some second base.

5. The starting outfield does not include David DeJesus, Rick Ankiel and Mitch Maier?  DeJesus goes without saying.  Brian Anderson projects to be a worse hitter and fielder than Maier, so he’s out of the discussion.  That leaves Maier, Ankiel and Podsednik.  Ankiel projects to be a decent, below average corner OFer.  Podsednik is a no-hit, pretty good defense corner OFer who can no longer play CF.  In CF, his defense is very poor.  Maier, on the other hand, is a plus defender, even in CF.  So the best OF the Royals could put out there is Maier in CF and DeJesus and Ankiel on the corners.

     Will they make this mistake? Yes.  Apparently Ankiel was lured to Kansas City with the promise that he’d play centerfield.  And both Moore and Hillman have basically said he’s the Royals centerfielder.  And clearly with the three outfielder acquisitions, Moore doesn’t think very highly of Maier who might not even make the 25-man roster.  And Podsednik is currently at the top of the depth chart in left field.  So the Royals could have an ok but unimpressive DeJesus-Maier-Ankiel outfield but instead it looks like they are going to have a genuinely shitty Podsednik-Ankiel-DeJesus outfield.  Adding one bad player to that outfield, and moving one decent player to his worst position really changes things.  Hillman sure knows how to take limited talent and get the least out of it.

6. Jose Guillen gets playing time?  Jose Guillen isn’t good at anything anymore.  In the outfield, he’s a nightmare.  Even Dayton Moore has publicly stated that Guillen’s outfield days are behind him.  So that leaves DH.  The problem is that anymore Guillen hits like shortstop.  Alberto Callaspo, Josh Fields,Kila Ka’aihue, and Shane Costa all project to hit better than Guillen.  And Guillen is much worse on the basepaths than pretty much every other player on the team.  Is there any reason to play Jose Guillen?  The miniscule chance that Guillen hits well enough for some team to make a deadline trade for him just isn’t reason enough for me.  I don’t think he’ll hit well at all, and I don’t think any team will be interested in a slow, DH-only pinch hitter even if the Royals pay all of his remaining salary.

     Will they make this mistake?  Yes.  Guillen has the big contract and I guess Moore and Hillman still think he’s a power hitter, despite all evidence.  He’ll be the DH and probably most of the time.  The only thing that will keep him from 500 PA’s is injuries, which thankfully are a virtual certainty.

7. Carlos Rosa and/or Kila Ka’aihue languish in Omaha?  The projection systems say that Kila Ka’aihue would be a decent hitter for the Royals in 2010.  CHONE projects him to have a .353 OBP.  That would be huge on this team.  Now maybe he wouldn’t hit that well.  Or maybe he would, and with power too.  Wouldn’t it be nice to find out, rather than experience the joy of Jose Guillen playing out the string of his career in Royal blue?  Carlos Rosa projects to be one of the Royals best relievers.  But he has options remaining and sub-mediocre pitchers like Roman Colon and Anthony Lerew do not.  Unfortunately in situations where it’s a numbers game and the Royals need to get down to 25, Moore and Hillman tend to leave out some talented youngsters.  It happened to Rosa last year.

     Will they make this mistake?  Ka’aihue – Yes, Rosa – No.  For whatever reason, it looks to me like Datyon Moore has no interest in Kila Ka’aihue and doesn’t think he has a future with the Royals.  He has ignored easy opportunities to promote him to the Royals and he never mentions Kila as part of the Royals bright future.  Kila may never get his chance with the Royals at all.  Rosa on the other hand got an extended look last season in the Royals bullpen.  And Moore didn’t go out and get a bunch of relievers this offseason, so I think there is room in the Royals 7-man bullpen for Rosa.

8. Luke Hochevar goes to the bullpen? Zack Greinke, Gil Meche and Brian Bannister are locks for the Royals rotation.  Luke Hochevar should be too.  While he hasn’t had a good ERA, better metrics show that Hochevar hasn’t been much below average for a MLB starting pitcher.  He’s young, he’s talented and his groundballs are worth a lot, even to a team without a particularly good infield defense.  And he still has the potential to be good, or at least above average.  The Royals shouldn’t give up on that potential by demoting him to the bullpen.  Some might argue that moving him to the pen would help him develop into a better starting pitcher, as it arguably did for Greinke a few years ago.  But I don’t think Hochevar needs to learn to trust his fastball (which is merely average) as Greinke did.  Moving him to the bullpen would lead to him using his secondary pitches less often, thus stunting his development.  This would be a move backwards for Hochevar and the Royals.

     Will they make this mistake?  No.  I think Moore still believes in Hochevar.  And since he’s out of options, they can’t game his service time anymore, so he should be in the rotation from day one.

9. Kyle Farnsworth in the rotation?  With Hochevar in the rotation, that leaves one open spot.  Robinson Tejeda is probably the top candidate.  Kyle Davies is in the running.  Jorge Campillo has an outside shot.  And there a few others on the long list.  Somehow Kyle Farnsworth has gotten onto that list.  Farnsworth has had a lot of trouble in recent years being effective as a reliever.  I don’t see how he’s likely to suddenly be effective as a starter.  Even with the addition of an effective cutter, his stuff isn’t that good.  And moving to the rotation would take a couple mph off of his fastball which hasn’t been an effective pitch for him since 2006.  This would be a really stupid mistake, only mitigated by the fact that it would be such a failure that the experiment probably wouldn’t last very long.

     Will they make this mistake?  No.  There are multiple superior options already in Surprise.  While Moore and Hillman are prone to mistakes, I can’t see them making this one. (crosses fingers and toes)

10. Acquiring a veteran starting pitcher and putting him into the rotation.  In 2008 it was Brett Tomko.  In 2009 it was Sidney Ponson.  Dayton Moore has a habit of filling out his rotation with the late offseason acquisition of a veteran starting pitcher who is several years past his prime.  And Trey Hillman immediately slots the guy into the rotation.  This hasn’t worked very well.  There’s no reason for them to try it this year.  The Royals actually have some decent starting pitching depth, and certainly more than enough names to come up with a pitcher who should perform much better than the average fifth starter.

     Will they make this mistake? It wouldn’t shock me, but my gut says no.  Tejeda, Davies and Campillo provide quality depth for a fifth starter spot.  I doubt Moore thinks he needs one of his geezers this year.  I hope I’m right.

Well, for what it’s worth, out of these ten bad possible moves, I think the Royals will make four and a half of them.  But of course the potential is always there for more.  And then there’s the bad decisions that I haven’t even envisioned…

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good stuff

I think you are right on pretty much all of them

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Feb 27, 2010 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

"the cut of his jib"

nice old timey phrase usage. Rec.d just for that.
good points. I really hope that these don’t happen, but I could see #1, 4, 5, 6, and 7 (with respect to Kila).
question: if they don’t want to bring up Kila, why don’t they trade him? are they purposely keeping him in AAAA purgatory?

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by buddyball on Feb 27, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

if they don’t want to bring up Kila, why don’t they trade him? are they purposely keeping him in AAAA purgatory?

I really don’t know. It would make sense to trade him if they aren’t going to use him. But maybe they like him as depth. Maybe they plan to use him next year (or at least want to have him as an option for next year) when Guillen is gone. It’s hard to say. This doesn’t make sense.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Why didn't they trade him?

My guess is that following longstanding policy, Moore wants to make sure and destroy what little trade value Kila has before asking to much for him in trade, t hen non-tendering him.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 27, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No question

The only one that is questionable to me is Gathright vs. Podsednik. But all either one is good for is to be a 5th OFer, which is primarily about defensive substitution and pinch running. And Gathright is clearly superior in that role.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

this is all really depressing

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by kabrink on Feb 28, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I tell you I watched him last summer in Oklahoma City?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Mar 1, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think Davies is going to the bullpen

I could be wrong, but I feel like one of the reasons they didn’t make any free agent moves w/ regard to the bullpen this off-season is because A. Dayton has realized paying big money for bullpen pitchers =stupid and B. He wants to build off his in house options (Rosa, Davies, maybe Tejeda).

That being said, if Tejeda is pitching mopup again this season, I’m going to punch a hole in a wall. In my mind, one of the biggest mistakes the Royals could make is not giving this man the #5 slot in the rotation right out of the gate. He’s put up a sub-4 FIP in both of his seasons with the Royals, and has the best “arm” on the staff (sorry Zack).

In his 6 game run at the end of last season, he averaged a little over 5 innings a start with a 2.84 ERA. I don’t care if he only gives us 5 innings a start out of the #5 hole in the rotation, that’s better than 6 innings of Davies getting his teeth kicked in. Oh, and in his 6 starts he averaged 93.86 on his fastball, Greinke was 93.7. So yes, he can maintain his stuff.

/End rant

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by slayor on Feb 27, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Tejeda
In my mind, one of the biggest mistakes the Royals could make is not giving this man the #5 slot in the rotation right out of the gate.

That’s probably true. I’m not sure how good of a SP he’d be for a full season, and I think he’s better as a reliever, but I kind of think he deserves a shot at the rotation. And I think the Royals owe it to themselves to see if he’s a legitimate starting pitcher. But if he’s not in the rotation, I think he’s wasted in long relief where, as you point out, he’s mostly mopping up lost causes. I think he’s a very good primary setup man, and would make a good closer if Soria were ever dealt (which won’t happen, but should happen).

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You know what would be awesome?

Davies had the frustrating tendency of being awesome for three or four innings then melting down.

Make Davies Tejeda’s official caddy. Get five or six out of Robbie, then turn it over to Davies for three innings. Rinse with Soria as needed.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 27, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good idea that is a little outside of the box

Therefore, Hillman will never even consider it.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right

But it seems like teams end up having to do that sort of thing about once a month or so. They give a long reliever a spot start, knowing full well that it will be a miracle if he makes it past the 4th, and it seems like most managers have the next pitcher (another long reliever) in their minds before the game starts.

I don’t know why you couldn’t employ the strategy more regularly, but it’s not something that has been done traditionally, so it’s not very likely to happen.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 27, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I suggested something like that last year

In this fanpost. Hillman wasn’t interested.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Send him the link again.

Maybe it went in his junk mail for some reason last year. Do a read receipt on it this time so you make sure he opens it.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 27, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Hillman uses e-mail??????

He’s not interested in these new-fangledy gadgets the kids are using nowadays. And what does a manager need with e-mail? Casey Stengel didn’t use e-mail! John McGraw didn’t use e-mail! Harry Wright didn’t use e-mail!

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If Davies Goes

To the pen he likely will be long relief and the first to the rotation in case of injury, so he might just be the logical one to relieve Tejeda in most circumstances. It wouldn’t be a plan per se, but it might be a de facto plan because it could fit conventional wisdom.

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by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Or

(in all seriousness) Farnsworth is the 5th starter and Tejeda is the primary long reliever (and 6th SP) who comes in behind him. This, of course, would yet again mean relegating Tejeda to primarily mop-up duty.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If they do that

then the other starters will each need 220 innings each or so to get to the magic 1000 number.

RIP Gil Meche’s arm and Brian Bannister’s August-September ERA.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Feb 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I"m not sure Tejada can handle it as a starter

but you’re right in that he’s too good to be a mop-up man. He should be one of the primary relievers after Soria.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 27, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not fragile and has 3 above average pitches

so yes, if not given a chance to start, at the very least he needs to be one of if not the main set up guy

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by slayor on Feb 27, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty massive splits

2009 vs. LHH 4.91 FIP, 5.65 xFIP, vs. RH 2.47 FIP, 3.36 xFIP

career

vs LH 5.94 FIP, 5.82 xFIP
vs RH 3.75 FIP, r.76 xFIP

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 27, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My gut says, regress that to the average pitching split and you have something much less extreme.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

pitching splits regress way less than hitting splits

for RHP, it’s about 700 PA vs. LHH

According to FanGraphs splits pages, Tejeda has faced 807 LHH

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 27, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, cool

so you’re worried about him facing a higher %age of LH batters as a SP?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, kinda

I mean, it’s worth a try as an SP, I’m just not confident he can pull it off. Both he and Davies look bullpen-bound to me, but if they each got a chance to start, given the royals’ situation this season, it’s worth a shot.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 27, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I really don't know how good he'd be as a SP for an extended stretch

I doubt he’d be average, much less above average. But maybe he could pull off a tRA+ of 95 for 170 innings. That would be damned good for a fifth SP. Hell that would be pretty good for a fourth SP.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

last season tejeda got burned by the walks against the lefties

he still allowed them a <300 slugging percentage, the killer was the large amount of walks

it’s probably worth noting that last year was his first season really throwing that changeup from what i’ve read, so i would think the walk rate would improve as he becomes more acclimated to throwing the pitch

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by slayor on Feb 27, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

20% of Tejeda's pitches since coming up with the Phillies have been change ups

And he has problems walking both lefties and righties.

I like Tejeda and given the other candidates, he deserves a shot in the rotation, but the lack of control will make it tough to succeed. In the end, I think he profiles best as reliever.

by Gopherballs on Feb 27, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sample size
Of the five I listed, the Royals ended up making two of them.

Give them 10 this year and we’ll start seeing what the Royals’ true MBR (Mistakes Below Replacement) really is.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 27, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmmm, replacement level

I’m going to estimate that a replacement level manager/GM might make about five of these horrible decisions. We’ll see if they can beat that.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 28, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Um

how will Callaspo get 500 PAs if Getz is the starting 2B?

the fact that Callaspo is the only Royal retained from 09 to 10 who is also losing his starting job should tell you a lot about Dayton Moore.

Where does “overexposing Josh Fields” rank as a bad decision because I have 0 confidence that Trey will limit Fields to only face LHP. Trey does not believe in platooning, no matter how much sense it makes.

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by BHWick on Feb 27, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

how will Callaspo get 500 PAs if Getz is the starting 2B?

First, he might not. Second, he could if Getz isn’t the full-time starter and Callaspo gets significant PT at DH and 3B.

Where does "overexposing Josh Fields" rank as a bad decision because I have 0 confidence that Trey will limit Fields to only face LHP

I don’t see much room for Fields to get playing time. I really doubt he’ll play much 3B over both Gordon and Callaspo. And the OF looks pretty full. He could see some time at DH. I really don’t see much beyond that, barring injury.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Guillen would need to be injured for half the year to pull that

and even when Guillen was out half the year, he got 312 PA.

Callaspo is going to have an Esteban German 2006 season, where he gets 300 PAs, hits good, and the teams offense is worse because we have Kendall, Ankiel and Getz playing. To be followed with “Callaspo wouldn’t have made our offense better”

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by BHWick on Feb 27, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about Callaspo

they keep saying “we’ll get him AB’s” but they’ve never really said how.

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by Warden11 on Feb 27, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if he kneecaps Yu-Bet on April 30th

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, it's interesting, because I haven't heard anything from trey or dayton

that’s made it sound like they have any problem with giving Aviles the SS job back if he shows he is capable

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by slayor on Feb 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Yu-Bet

Replace St. Sporqie on the bench? Omaha? DFA? Trade for a Moon pie and a Dr. Pepper?

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by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Dr. Pepper,

and you can hardly find it in Washington, DC.

by BrRoyal on Feb 27, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Most Soft

Drinks, it was way better when they used real sugar instead of the high fructose corn syrup they use now.

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by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

When did this change?

I noticed Mt Dew (my favorite POP) recently advertised they had a special edition using “real sugar”.

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by Warden11 on Feb 27, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

In The '70s

When the price of sugar went through the roof.

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by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The grocery stores around me usually have the "real" sugar filled cokes

in the ethnic/mexican food section.

It’s like $1.80 for a 20 oz. glass bottle though.

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by Top Ramen on Feb 28, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

I’m a Coke addict. I loved my time at college in the states, but I hated so much that crappy version they make you drink down south. Not a patch on the Canadian/Mexican/Whole rest of world natural version.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 28, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I may get verbally assaulted for this...

…but I worked in texas recently, had mexican coke made with sugar, as well as dr. pepper made with sugar.

I couldn’t tell much of a difference between those and the corn syrup ones.

by Crooow on Feb 28, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I Don't Drink

Soft drinks very often, but I remember Dr. Pepper seemed to suffer the most from the change.

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by philofthenorth on Feb 28, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

for me, the taste difference is distinct but not as big as regular versus diet

but the huge difference is that sugar does not leave that syrupy coating in the mouth. Another difference having nothing to do with the sweetener is that the sugar varieties usually come in glass bottles, which keep the carbonation and flavor longer and avoid the metallic taste of canned soda.

I don’t drink a lot of soda either (if I buy a case, it might last for a couple months), so I don’t mind paying a few extra cents when I have the option.

by Gopherballs on Feb 28, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i almost never drink soda

when i tried the pepsi throwback i couldn’t tell the slightest difference

by 9il on Mar 3, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

pasar la aspiradora

takes me straight back to my 10th grade classroom

by 9il on Mar 3, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Dr. Pepper has "Heritage Dr. Pepper" which I am finding more and more here in KC

which is made with real sugar instead of the high fructose corn syrup. It’s yummy! All my Dr. Pepper fiend buddies are all over it.

I had no trouble finding Dr. Pepper when I lived in DC. Or do you mean having trouble finding it served at restaurants? Because it was always at the store. Sweet heavenly Dr. Pepper. MMMMmmmmmmmm. (I’m drinking one right now!)

by Gross(est) on Feb 28, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would go anywhere for a Dr. Pepper.

Anywhere. This could be related to why I have cavities in almost every single tooth, including at least one of my wisdom teeth.

by Gross(est) on Mar 2, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I envision them giving Aviles a few starts when he's healthy

and then burying him after a 1 error game and an 0-3.

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by Warden11 on Feb 27, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Trey said Aviles is the most fundamentally sound IF a couple days ago

That sounds like an endorsement, IMO. If foes well in a rehab assignment at Omaha I see him getting a solid shot, especially because Yuni will still be Yuni.

I know we give these guys a lot of flack for not using advanced statistics, but you don’t need advanced statistics to see Aviles is a much better fielder than Yuni.

by WURoyal on Feb 28, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think it’ll be just like when he came up. They never wanted to bring him up at all but Pena just sucked too bad not to. And then, even after they did bring him up they really didn’t try to give him a real opportunity until Pena absolutely forced them to by suckiness.

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by kabrink on Mar 1, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

One More Hurdle

Will be roster space. If he becomes the utility IF, what becomes of Sporqie? Surely they wouldn’t depend of Bloomers for the 4th OF. If he becomes the starting SS, whither Yu-Bet?

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by philofthenorth on Mar 1, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

you can be assured

these guys ain’t never dumping Bloomy

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by kabrink on Mar 3, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Very Nice

1. 100 games…easy….I put the over/under at 120
2. If he’s on the team all year, he has to get 500 PA…shit what did Willie end up with last year?
3. No fucking way….even a slow dude like me can see the increases in walks and doubles in 2008….as far as I’m concerned, 2009 doesn’t count for Gordo…..
4. I don’t think so…the more I hear, the more it sounds like they were expecting a huge turnaround with the change in teams. I don’t think they can still run him out after the AS break with 18 errors, hitting .235/.285/.386 in 312 PAs.
5. By the end of the year, I’m thinking we’ve seen 11 different players start in the OF…….MITCH may get his chance yet….
6. We all know the answer to this….Jogui gets regular run…perhaps a late inning defensive replacement????
7. Agree…we’ll see Rosa, but holding out hope on Kila is like pretending my Miller Lite is a Boulevard Wheat….nice thought, but ain’t happening.
8. Nope….the flashes we saw last year is worth another 30 starts…..if he’s going to flame, we may as well be pretty sure.
9. Like you said, no.
10. I’m thinking Jarrod Washburn to a 1yr/8 mil….only to be replaced by Davies in the rotation.

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by Discodave on Feb 28, 2010 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

Good Case Scenario (maybe not best)

Starters:
Zack
Gil
Banny
Luke
Tejada

Relief:
Davies, I will join the group that thinks Kyle for 2 or 3 innings has above average effectiveness. Could also get the pressure 7th and 8th innings situations
Farnsworth, not drinking the kool-aid but if 2 seamer is working better and gets movement along with new cutter it doesn’t make him starter material but could be decent as 6th and 7th inning guy
Rosa, has earned shot at being one of the “setup” guys
Cruz, bounce back year PLEASE, if not, release
Osuna, has to stay on roster, ideally could become good 1 inning guy or lefty-lefty guy
Soria, Mexicuting since 2008

Is it bad to think that I would like for the last spot to go to Crow in August if he pitches well til then? Love to see him be a good reliever in KC for year and a half then put him in rotation (obviously if he pitches well) at the beginning of 2012.
Just my theory.

by Matty486 on Feb 28, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Davies as long/middle relief

The more I think about this the more I think it could really, really be good for the Royals.

by Crooow on Feb 28, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

7. Wouldn't you want to see Kila hit for power in Omaha first?

I’m all for giving him a shot if we see 2008 Kila (or substantially closer to it) but if he is performing like last year I would wait to bring him up until the trading deadline on the off chance Guillen performs well and we could get someone to eat a piece of his contract.

I think Kila will have an excellent chance next year because he will be out of options and the DH role will probably have opened up (I expect Callaspo to either be traded or find a spot on the team that doesn’t include the DH role). At that point, Fields would be his only competition unless we sign another FA (which makes zero sense if Kila has a good year, but I could see us doing it anyway).

Essentially, I see letting Kila rot in Omaha this year as a bad move for performance in 2010, but it’s not nearly as bad in the overall team development picture, JMO.

by WURoyal on Feb 28, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Kila's power (181 ISO) was fine

The low batting average brought down his overall slugging percentage. Sure, Kila is no great shakes, but he is already 26, so the time to find out if his skill set will play in the majors is now. And more importantly, he is better than Guillen. Giving Kila an opportunity is more valuable than the pipe dream that Guillen would bring anything, even salary relief, in return.

Guillen is a sunk coast with no salvage value. Even if he hits all right, there is just no market for skill set — right-handed DH-only hitters with mediocre on-base skills but some power. Jermaine Dye is a much better version of the same player and is coming off a .344 wOBA season, yet still cannot get a major league job. The market for DHs is limited to 13 other AL teams, all of which have better options than Guillen, especially the contenders, which are the only teams that would even make a mid-season trade for a soon-to-be free agent.

Kila also has two more option years, so even if he is optioned this year, the Royals can option him again in 2011.

by Gopherballs on Feb 28, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'm just holding out hope that Guillen can show an ability to hit and play RF this year.

From an organizational standpoint, there is very little risk in testing him out and seeing if he really is in better shape (and recovered from his hip injury) and can hit and/or play RF.

In any case, while I agree there is not much of a chance Guillen will be tradeable, any potential payoff would be enough for me to justify keeping him around until he proves he can’t hack it THIS YEAR.

Kila did not prove he deserved a promotion based off of last years numbers, IMO. He might be better, but not substantially better to the extent I would let Guillen walk.

by WURoyal on Feb 28, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously

Paying Guillen a $12m check right now to walk away is better for the Royals than playing him. That’s not hyperbole, thats just a reality. He hurts the team every time he plays. He has negative value. So you either pay him to hurt you, or pay him to not hurt you.

by kcbottom9th on Feb 28, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True, he won’t have negative value in every game. He’s just likely to have negative value overall. kcbottom9th was correct to point out that the Royals would be better off releasing him and eating the remainder of his contract.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 1, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He had negative value.

He probably still will, but I’d check before I gave up on it. I think that’s reasonable in a contract year.

by WURoyal on Mar 1, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're willing to pay one or two wins

just to prove a point that being disappointing in the minors is a much worse crime than being worse than useless in the majors?

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 28, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Even setting aside Kila, why not Callaspo? Why not Fields?

Neither were disappointing the minors last year and project to be significantly better than Guillen.

And what payoff? The return on deadline deals for good players who are impending free agents is basically a live arm anymore. Last year, Jermaine Dye hit about as well as one of Guillen’s peak years and now cannot find a job. If released tomorrow, Guillen may not even be able to find a AAA job.

Holding out hope for any sort of “payoff” for Guillen gives wishcasting a bad name.

by Gopherballs on Feb 28, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

sure we're all in general agreement

on the Guillen issue. And franklly, it isn’t all that different a situation from the last offseason, it’s just more brutally obvious now

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 28, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He just needs to get his runs invented back up and he'll be gold

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by philofthenorth on Mar 1, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a few wild guesses

1. Yes. Kendall will catch as many games as he can and OPS 650, but he’ll easily show a 120 GF+ (Grit Factor, park-adjusted of course.)
2. Yes. They’ll figure out some way to misuse Callaspo and he’ll get fewer PAs than Bloomy.
3. No. They’re committed to Gordon at third.
4. No? Yuni will start the season at SS, but I bet Avilés wins the job from him.
5. Yes. They’ve already announced the outfield they’re going with, and it includes Pods, not Mitch.
6. Yes. Guillén will be the regular DH until he gets hurt. Let’s hope that doesn’t take long.
7. Yes/maybe. Kila stays in Omaha. Rosa might make the team. They haven’t signed any pitchers, so they’re likely to go with what they have.
8. No. They’re committed to Hochevar.
9. Yes. They’re gonna put Farnsy in the rotation and Davies in the bullpen, thereby getting their Kyles crossed.
10. No. I think they’re set at pitcher. If they weren’t, Dayton would already have traded Butler for George Brunet.

That’s a 6/10 worst-case scenario, with a 4.5/10 best-case scenario.

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by Juancho on Mar 1, 2010 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

6. JoseJoseJose

Is it wrong that I’m hoping for a “Juan Gonzalez 2005” injury for Jose Gullen? 2005 was the year that Juan Gone got injured on his first AB of the season (for Cleveland) and never came back.

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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 1, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it's not wrong

Remember that he’s getting paid twelve million bucks whether he’s in the lineup or out, so he might as well be out of it. We wouldn’t want, say, him to get his leg amputated, but a popped ACL and a mangled rotator cuff would be just fine. Just enough so he can’t play under any circumstances.

Then again, if you take utilitarianism to the point of absurdity, it would actually add to the greatest good for the greatest number if Guillén tragically got run over by the team bus, thereby voiding his contract.

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by Juancho on Mar 1, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hives

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by philofthenorth on Mar 1, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Roids.

Of the “hemorr” kind.

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by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

¡Gracias por usar acentos en los nombres de los jugadores latinos!

It helps to see the names with the accents.

Side note: When Ibañez was with Seattle they made a deal about using “ñ” in players names as appropriate. But they weren’t nearly as consistent with the accents.

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Side note: When Ibañez was with the Mariners they team had an embarrassing promo that they ran for almost two seasons, in which they had a pseudo-contest with video of fans trying to spell Ibañez’s name correctly. When a person reached a misspell they video cut off with a buzzing sound. The embarrassing part was they cut in with the buzzer after the fourth letter when she said “I, b, a, n-yay, …”, but gave thumbs up to a person who replied “I, b, a, n, e, z”.

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Many People Have

Seen the name Ibanez on Japanese made guitars; they pronounce it phonetically.

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by philofthenorth on Mar 1, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb question...

How do you add the accents to the stuff we type here? I don’t think that I’ve ever used those before.

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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 1, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Potentially another dumb question

Shouldn’t the acento be over the “i” in Aviles, instead of the “e”? Every time I’ve heard his name, it’s pronounced aVILes rather than aviLES. Or is it just that the average Midwestern broadcaster/radio guy misstates the traditional Spanish pronunciation?

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 1, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't think Aviles had an acento

if there IS no accent, then it is pronounced ‘aVILes’.

by Crooow on Mar 1, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Broadcasters commonly butcher pronunciations

For example, it’s José Guillén, with the last syllable accented in both his first and last names. Almost every anglo announcer, though, will stress the first syllable in both of his names. They will also pronounce the “s” in José very similar to a “z”, whereas it should be pronounced as a pure “s”.

Re Aviles or Avilés,in this story his name is consistently spelled Aviles. It doesn’t appear to be an oversight, because the story also mentions “José Guillén” and “David DeJésus”.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I post using the ASCII code for the character.

If you know the ASCII code for the character, you enter the ASCII code numbers on the number pad (not the top row of the keyboard) while simultaneously pressing the Alt-key.

the ASCII codes for Spanish language characters:
0241 = ñ
0225 = á
0233 = é
0237 = í
0243 = ó
0250 = ú.

Alternately, you can open Character Map (on your M$ Windows Accessories group), find the character you want, and then do a copy and paste. The Character Map control will also give you the ASCII code in the lower right corner if one is available for that character – it will say “Keystroke: Alt+####”.

If you Google, you can tables that give ASCII character codes. I’ve a got a couple buried in my bookmarks.

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Another ASCII code of interest is 0174 = ®. This is helpful to enter “The Process®”.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 1, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There's one of those ASCII code lists

on Wikipedia. That should be the easiest place to find it.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

TEST

ñ á é í ó ú ®

Awesome – Thanks Steve and Junacho for the info!!!

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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 3, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

You sometimes learn something everyday (how’s that for a Yogism?)

Unfortunately, I’ll forget how to do it by the time I get to the bottom of these comments.

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by kabrink on Mar 3, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think I just invented a new sig line!

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by kabrink on Mar 3, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't thinnk Aviles had an acento

if there IS no accent, then it is pronounced aVILes.

by Crooow on Mar 1, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

I have a Spain-layout keyboard

that has the necessary characters to type out the Latin languages, including the various diacritical marks (´, `, ^, ~, ñ, ç, ¨). It’s a bit more difficult to type in English on one of these, since the apostrophe is in the top row next to the 0 rather than in the third row next to the L.

Avilés should be pronounced Ah-vee-LESS. It’s a city in northern Spain where the Avilés family probably originated. Ibáñez is fun, with two consecutive diacriticals. Like Núñez.

I don’t use the accent on DeJesus, since he’s American and has Americanized his name; in Spanish it would be de Jesús. Two words, not connected, no capital D. By the way, “de Jesús” originated as a surname given to foundlings turned over to the Church. “Expósito” is another. “Diosdado” is “God-given.” Catalan has “Deulofeu” (God made it) and “Deulovol” (God wills it).

The first accent on a player’s jersey that I remember was Dave Concepción, who used it as far back as the late ’70s.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Poz wrote a whole chapter about Concepción’s jersey in The Machine.

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 2, 2010 7:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know.

If he is, and he’s changed the pronunciation to Ah-VEEL-es, then we ought to go by his preferences rather than the standard Spanish.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was the Bronx

via Puerto Rico. Do the Puerto Ricans have a particularly unorthodox or odd variation of Spanish?

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 2, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear they drop the endings of words a lot.

My brother-in-law is half Puerto Rican from NY. I should ask if he knows Aviles.

by BrRoyal on Mar 3, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

In my Spanish text, each chapter focuses on one or two specific countries as well as intorducing new grammatical topics

And the one that we started yesterday happened to be Puerto Rico.

One of the characteristics they mentioned was that in Puerto Rican Spanish they do, in fact, either drop or swallow many of the endings. A specific example the book cited was “peleado” => “peleao”.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's normal in southern Spain as well

The unstressed D between vowels bites the dust.

One of my proudest moments as a rookie in Spain was at a bus stop where a young Gypsy woman with a kid asked me how to get to the Hospital Clínico. She said, “¿Paíl Clínico?” and I deciphered “Paíl” as “Para ir al.”

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 4, 2010 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I like to watch the DVD of "El Mariachi" with the sound track in Spanish

I listen to a scene, and try to make sure I understand what they are saying. Then I turn on the Spanish subtitles, so I can see the Spanish text for what I just heard.

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There’s a scene early in the movie when a guy walks up to a bar. When listened to it, I was sure that I heard the bartender saying “¿Qué que?” I replayed that snippet about ten times, and that was exactly what it sounded like. I figured it must be some regional, northern Mexico idiom. When I turned on the subtitles the dialog came up, not surprisingly, as “¿Qué quieres?”

So I guess that swallowing unstressed endings isn’t just Peninsular and Borinque.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah-VEEL-es isn't the standard Spanish pronunciation?

I thought stressing the second-to-last syllable was standard in Spanish? I live in Harlem, not far from Spanish Harlem and the Bronx and that is the way Aviles and similar names are pronounced around here.

And, for BrRoyal, Aviles did grow up in the Bronx.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 2, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Stressing the penultimate syllable in Spanish

is regular, unless the word ends in an R or an L (I think), in which case you stress the last syllable. To show that the word has an irregular stress, you use a written accent. That’s why Guillén and José and Concepción have written accent marks: because the stress is on the last syllable. Or why médico and comíamos and único have the written accents: the stress is on the antepenultimate syllable.

The standard surname in Spanish is Avilés, after a city in the province of Asturias in the north of Spain. (It’s like being named Lincoln or York or Reading or Bristol in English. Burgos and Soria are also cities in northern Spain.) The written accent shows that this word has a different pronunciation pattern.

I don’t know whether Mike has changed the stress to the penultimate syllable to Americanize it. Remember, Jorge Orta always wanted to be called “George,” not “Hor-hey.”

Check with the locals and see what they tell you; they’re more likely to be right about the way they speak than I am.

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by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification
I don’t know whether Mike has changed the stress to the penultimate syllable to Americanize it.

Yeah, I was thinking that it was possibly Americanized, or perhaps more accurately Latino-Americanized. Perhaps Aviles is using a pronunciation more in line with the Puerto Rican – American Spanglish speech of the area in which he grew up. Just speculating.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 2, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

My remedial understanding of Spanish led me to believe that, since the latter ‘e’ wasn’t accented, then it was A-VEEL-es. I wasn’t aware that he might have americanized it to a certain extent by removing the acento.

by Crooow on Mar 2, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The regular pattern for stress that I've been taught from my Spanish I text ...

… (also what I picked up just from being exposed to Spanish in the southwestern US before starting Spanish classes) …
1. for words ending in a vowel, “n”, or “s” the natural stress is on the next to the last syllable.
blan-co es-cu-chen ro-ja es-tu-die

2. For words ending in any other letter the natural stress is on the last syllable. Also “y” is not considered a vowel for stress purposes.

pa-pel ciu-dad es-cri-bir re-loj es-toy

Deviations from this pattern require an accent in written language; “esta” and “está” are different words.

Note that accents are sometimes used in written language to express a grammatical difference even though there is no difference in pronunciation; “él” is the personal pronoun generally equivalent to “he”; “el” is the definite article “the” for masculine nouns in the singular – “el camino”, “el mariachi”.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. That's the rule.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

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by kabrink on Mar 3, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

In general, no

They have more “Spanglish” words, words like the verb “mopear” instead of “fregar” to mean “to mop (the floor).” Their accent is similar to Cuba and the DR; they don’t pronounce the unstressed syllable-final S and sometimes they aspirate it to something like the English H. If Avilés is a real Boricua, he’ll stress it on the last syllable; if he’s Americanized it, the stress is on the second syllable.

Probably somebody should ask him which he prefers. He may not care. Here in Spain they mangle my name, and I’ve long since grown tired of correcting them.* The problem comes in when they confuse my middle name with what would be my first surname in Spanish. The National Health Service still has me in their records under my middle name.

*I use the name Juancho because a Peruvian friend of mine hung it on me, since no one can actually pronounce “John” in this country. It means “Big John” (I’m six-one, 180, making me pretty large for a Mediterranean country.) It could have two different connotations: either “Big Bad John” or “Big Goofy John,” depending on how you say it. Of course, he means the second one.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I will just call you Gulliver

You are truly a giant.

From now on, I will simply visualize this whenever I read your posts (except there will be a gigantic laptop next to you):

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 2, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not goofy enough

Large, fair-haired, clumsy people look real goofy in places where everyone’s short, olive-toned, and graceful.

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by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The Spanish teacher in my first class was from Venezuela

One of the first lessons involved physical descriptions of people. It was interesting to note that although “rubio” might translate as “blonde”, there was still a disconnect. There was one woman in the class whom we all regarded as brunette, without a trace of blonde, that the teacher had “pelo rubio”.

by Steve Nelson on Mar 2, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

"Rubio" and "moreno"

translate more or less as “fair” and “dark.” So with my light brown hair, fair skin, and hazel eyes, I’m a rubio in Spain. What we call red cats are “rubio” in Spain, too.

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In Puerto Rico …

… if your dog hides when he hears you say “voy a vacunar el perro”, is the dog afraid of the vet or the Oreck?

by Steve Nelson on Mar 2, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea how they say "to vacuum" in PR

In Spain it’s “pasar la aspiradora.” So I guess it would probably be the vet.

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by Juancho on Mar 2, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

pasar la aspiradora

takes me straight back to my 10th grade classroom

by 9il on Mar 3, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for putting this together NY

I would submit, however that some of these are really self-evident, aren’t they? In other words, the bad decision was to sign Kendall in the first place, so of course they’re going to play him 100 games. Same with the starting OF…they already signed these guys, so the decision has already been made. Ditto for Guillen, unless they do something wildly unexpected and release him, he will get some PT.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

I would submit, however that some of these are really self-evident, aren’t they? In other words, the bad decision was to sign Kendall in the first place, so of course they’re going to play him 100 games. Same with the starting OF…they already signed these guys, so the decision has already been made. Ditto for Guillen, unless they do something wildly unexpected and release him, he will get some PT.

Acquiring a player does not necessarily mean that you intend for that player to be a full-time starter all season. Podsednik, for example, was signed for only $1.75M. It’s not like every player signed for such a modest sum becomes a certain full-time starter. Moore also signed Anderson, does that mean he’s going to start him? And, even for players signed with the intent of making them starter, there is the question of whether poor performance during the season is going to make Moore/Hillman change their mind about them. Betancourt was traded for last midseason. Does that mean he’s the starter all year? Will Kendall start the vast majority of games, regardless of how well he performs?

Yes, it is certainly true that the answer to some of the above questions are easier than others. But I reject the notion that any and every player acquired by any team at any time for any amoung of money is definitely going to be a starter, and/or start for the entire season.

Wtih regard to Guillen, he’ll certainly play if he’s on the team. But he could be traded, if the Royals throw in his salary. But also I wanted to point out merely by posing the question, that it is a clear mistake to give Guillen ANY playing time.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not to steer this in a weird direction

But was the decision to sign and play Juan Gonzales in 2004 only acceptable because we (thought we) had a chance to be contenders? I see Gonzales as similar to Guillen in that a) he had a history of being a pretty great offensive player at one time, but was b) clearly on the decline, and probably not going to do much—it was taking a risk.

Is your assertion (that it’s a big mistake to give Guillen any playing time) based solely on the fact that we don’t have a reasonable chance to contend and we should instead be focusing on the future?

by Crooow on Mar 3, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

At the time, I thought Gonzalez was a much better hitter than I think Guillen will be

I can’t remember what PECOTA projected Gonzo to hit for 2004 (I think PECOTA was the only serious projection system back then…at least the only one I was familiar with). But he was coming off of a .294/.329/.572 season and had had a .840 or higher OPS in all but one of the prior eight seasons. I undoubtedly should have expected more decline than I probably did at the time. But I thought he’d be a pretty good hitter, which the Royals needed. And I thought the Royals might be contending in 2004, coming off of their 2003 season. Of course the Royals aren’t in that position now, but more importantly, Guillen is likely to hit like shit. Pure shit. A .254/.309/.398 line is ok if you are a great defensive SS or catcher. As a DH, you are a massive negative and you could probably do better at DH by calling up a random player from any team’s AAA club (an exaggeration, but a small one).

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I Was Going

To suggest Hoagy for DH against LHP, but his splits are all over the place. His career split is close to neutral, but in ’08 he killed LHP and was horrible against RHP. Last year he was ridiculously bad against LHP (very small sample, but still odd), so overall I say KILA NOW! DFA DFA DFA!

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by philofthenorth on Mar 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

BAT BOY NOW!

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by philofthenorth on Mar 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

+100

He’d at least scare the shit out of the pitcher, leading to pitches flying all over the place, so he’d either walk or get HBP. I’d take a 1.000 OBP from the DH.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

so Guillen =/= Gonzales. Very clear now that you throw some stats out there—and I should’ve realized this myself.

by Crooow on Mar 3, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point

Guillen =/= a MLB-quality baseball player

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 3, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

There's really no problem with...

…giving Guillen time at DH. Indeed, they absolutely must give him some time, to prove to some foolish team out there, that Guillen could be useful for half a season. Of course this means he has to make a good showing. All reports thus far out of ST is that he is in good shape and looking forward to better health than last year. That is step one in the process of getting rid of him for something (and that something might simply be not eating all of his salary). – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Mar 3, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

But Guillen almost certainly is going to be a bad hitter

Is the tiny chance that he hits pretty well enough of a reason to play him? Maybe if what we could get in return for him would be a decent prospect, but it won’t be. If you look at what half seasons of over-the-hill, not very impressive but ok players has been in recent years, it has been miniscule. I don’t want to waste DH at bats on the chance that maybe Guillen might hit well enough so that he can be traded for very little return. And this assumes that the Royals throw into the trade all of Guillen’s remaining salary. If the Royals don’t do that, they won’t be able to trade him, period, unless he’s hitting very, very well, and there is probably a less than 1% chance of that.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 3, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say...

…with admitted optimism that there’s a 25 percent chance that he’ll put up decent numbers for 1/3-1/2 a season. He has put up decent numbers in the past (just decent). As I understand these things, statistical projection systems do not account well for past injuries—-just as humans don’t know always what to expect based on past injury histories. Anyway, I can see the logic, from any reasonable GM/owner’ point of view, of giving Guillen a chance perform and then getting rid of him as fast as possible. The chance in relation to Guillen is a variable based on two factors: his performance and ability to remain healthy. – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Mar 3, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He has zero trade value.

What contending team (the only type of team that will make a deadline deal for a soon-to-be free agent) will have a hole where a Jose Guillen would help?

I guess we can pray that the Mets are in contention early this summer.

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by Warden11 on Mar 3, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If dumping salary and receiving nothing in return but a 2 week old moldy sandwich

The Royals should jump at it. They can save $6M on a half season rental that they can spend on some prospects, or some other stupid FA that Dayton signs.

by AxDxMx on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

But dumping salary implies someone else picking it up. That’s just not going to happen.

Signature bet anyone?

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by Warden11 on Mar 3, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you.

I think if they aren’t going to play Callaspo in the field, he should be DH over Guillen.

by AxDxMx on Mar 3, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong

but didn’t we “hear out of ST that Guillen is in good shape” last year too?

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by kabrink on Mar 3, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Best ever

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by philofthenorth on Mar 4, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

in the best shape in the history of whatever

by Crooow on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected

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by philofthenorth on Mar 4, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

best play ever man

by Crooow on Mar 5, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Farnsworth as SP is a Good Idea

I like the idea of Farnsworth moving into an SP spot. I think he could be an asset with an ERA around 5.0 as a spot starter/long reliever. I cannot remember a year when we did not scrounge for some arms to start some games because of injuries or fatigue, so he could be useful. I do agree that there are several better options ahead of him, but his time will come, I am 90% sure of it. I predict about 5 starts for him.

by eakers on Mar 4, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Not An Unreasonable

Idea; he’s here, and it might be the best use of his abilities in this lost year.

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by philofthenorth on Mar 5, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

NY, Maier sucks

Before the season completely collapsed (you could argue it collapsed in June but for all intended purposed lets say August) Maier couldn’t even crack a 300 OBP. Who cares what players do in August/September when you are 30 games out of first place. He’ll be 28 soon; I don’t think players my age suddenly turn a corner. I’ll take Podsednik’s .350 OBP any day. Remember everyone thought Davies was reliable after he lit it up in September 2008. Nope. I also thin Guillen deserves a chance to solely DH. If he stinks it up lets put Callaspo there full time.

Anyway, it would be nice if Moore actually paid attention to some of this stuff.

by GobbleforCyoung on Mar 7, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

Maier's value is in his good defense

I don’t think Maier is a good player. On a decent team, he’s a 4th/5th OFer. But he’s better than Podsednik and Anderson. That is why the best OF the Royals can put together with their current players is DeJesus-Maier-Ankiel.

. I’ll take Podsednik’s .350 OBP any day.

Boy, I’d take it too. Is there any reason whatsoever to think he’ll have a .350 OBP in 2010? Look at his OBP over the last four years. 2009 was an aberration. Beware of random spikes in a player’s mid-30’s. Most of that spike was due to a great deal of BABIP luck.
Remember everyone thought Davies was reliable after he lit it up in September 2008.

I really doubt most people thought Davies as reliable after a good September 2008. I don’t remember going into the 2009 season anyone saying that Davies could be counted on. He was, and remains, a big question mark. If you think that my opinion of Maier (which is about the entirety of his stats) has anything to do with a good month or two, you are entirely mistaken.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Podsednik has been good his first year on a new team throughout his career

I’m thinking he’ll have a decent year. I can’t even pay attention to this spring training crap anyway, the Royals will be pretty bad in 2009, so what’s the point. I’m not going to hope for a turnaround and get misled by an 18-12 start. The only thing I’ll be watching for is a healthy return of a pre 2009 Meche and drastic improvement from Hochevar. With Nathan apparently done for the year and CLE being in a similar situation as KC as far as not having much talent in the majors as of yet, KC has a chance to finish middle of the division and if everything clicks who knows. In addition, I don’t see Moore doing any of the "no brainer’ decisions you list above. How can you feel good about him as a leader of an organization, or have faith in ownership by rewarding this guy.

by GobbleforCyoung on Mar 9, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you may need to update this post

to include Crow breaking camp with the team.

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by Top Ramen on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I wouldn’t have thought that even in the realm of possibility. But now…

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 12, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

What's The Longest

A thread has ever lived on this site? This must be getting close to it.

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by philofthenorth on Mar 12, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we just have to Trust the Process

and allow Dayton to give us fresh material to add to this all year.

by AxDxMx on Mar 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Spanish Accent Marks,

Real sugar in soft drinks and Bat Boy?

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by philofthenorth on Mar 12, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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