Hillariously Stupid Stat Categories For Fantasy Baseball
by Will McDonald on Mar 12, 2010 12:21 AM EST
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So because of this CBSSports.com Fantasy tie-in thing, I've been looking at how to setup the RR league. If you wanted to, you could basically setup the stupidest league ever. Hmm, lets have a 5X5 league with balks, wild pitches, pickoffs, pitch count and... wins (more or less fits) for the pitching stats and catcher interference, pickoffs, errors, triple plays turned and left on base for the hitting stats.
My personal favorite leads me to believe Dayton may have prepped for his Jim Bowden interview by looking at fantasy stats. (I don't even know if I'm joking.) Check out this bad boy:
Runs Produced: R + RBI - HR
Seriously, what the hell is that? I can sorta see combining runs and RBI, to some extremely limited extent (you want a solid playing time/counting stat component to a head to head league), but what is the thought process behind taking out the home runs? Its almost as if the goal is to isolate the RBIs that have as little to do with the guy who gets them as possible. We don't want someone getting those "cheap" HR-based RBIs, nah, lets focus on the sac flies.
Don't worry, there's also a version of that "runs produced" stat per AB.
There's also a straight RBI-HRs stat, if you don't want to worry about the runs.
In addition to all manner of weird combo stats like "runs produced" CBS offers a number of stats that so rarely happen, you might as well just say "for three weeks this season, the Commisioner will randomly decide your result".
What commish is having "perfect games" as a category? Imagine a roto league that actually has that category, even if you actually have a dude throw a perfect game, you won't even gain that much, because every other team is going to be tied for second.
However, perfect games will make Sundays more interesting in head-to-head leagues. "Well, if I can get a big HRs and SBs day today, and Gil Meche throws a perfect game I'm right there."
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but they also offer RBI-HRs
which suggests that this is somehow a desirable concept
by Will McDonald on Mar 12, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
The only reason to have it would be...
to neutralize extreme power hitters, would put Ryan Howard and Brian Phillips on similar footing, at least thats what it says to me.
I love this time of year.... The Royals are always in first place!!!
by averagegatsby on Mar 12, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
have you ever found yourself in a league that is too rate stat heavy?
I was in one a few years ago, head to head league, which also had errors. There was no incentive to actually field a full team
I’m generally against any stat that would encourage the player to not start as many people as possible every day. So the positive stats have to outweigh the negative stats.
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by Justin Bopp on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Last year, I ran a league
that accidentally included Innings Pitched, Pitch Count, and Quality Start.
The first person to notice you could take three stats with a heavy starter rotation won. By a lot. That person was me.
:(
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I was browsing some custom leagues on Yahoo
And found one league that threw in the kitchen sink on stat categories, including “hits-for-the-cycle”. And this was for a head-to-head league.
The immoderate moderator
I am extremely close to walking away from SBN in about six different ways
NOT a fun week
so sorry to everyone who has been on board for the clusterf#*& that has been the RR League
by Will McDonald on Mar 12, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
As someone who is totally dependent upon you and your work
I have to say: NO DON’T! I might die without Royals Review.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Mar 12, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I played in a league one year with 12 stat categories on each side in a H2H
H,1B,2B,3B,HR,R,RBI,BB,HBP,E,BA,SB
and on the pitching side:
R,ER,IP,K,BB,HBP,WHIP,ERA,W,L,SV, BS
I quit by the third week as I realized how ridiculous it was. It was almost completely random, and if you didn’t have some of the big studs, you got completely hosed several times over due to the category overlap.
On the other hand, I could see tossing in a few fun categories like Perfect Games/No hitters because if your pitcher throws one, it essentially gives you an extra point for the week. A cycle is pretty pointless though. Not sure I’ve ever understood the appeal of hitting for the cycle. I’d rather hit 4 homers.
I think i'd rather hit TWO HRs than a cycle
yea, I can see having perfect games or no hitters or what not in that logic, but I think it works more in a points league
by Will McDonald on Mar 12, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Total Bases And
OBA favor the cycle, but I subjectively think I agree.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Mar 12, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Perfect games work well in category h2h leagues as well
If you get a perfect game/no hitter (or even complete game these days), you get an extra win. It kinda rewards you for having an awesome pitcher that year (ie, me having Greinke last year)
Is there the Billy Butler Cycle available?
HR, 1B, two 2Bs
Any combo of 4 hits with at least 1 homer.
Though on a side note, I was playing MLB 10: The Show, and Butler came to the plate in the 9th needing a triple for the cycle. He hit the ball to deep right-center off the top of the wall and it rolled around CF long enough for him to get to 3rd. So I actually pulled it off with him, though I wasn’t trying.
But
can we have a league where balks is a category?
Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore
Balks and
"Olivo"s
Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "[my most important sabermetric stats are] runs scored and runs driven in"
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I Knew There
Was a reason I have no interest in fantasy leagues, I just didn’t know what it was.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Just cause I don't know where else to put this:
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1. Create CBSsports account
2. Enter a team name
3. DO NOT try to find the league after making your account.
4. Go to fantasy baseball homepage http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy click on the fantasy baseball tab.
5. Once on the baseball page, look at the far right column. There will be three sections: My team, Fantasy sports video and league access.
6. Look for “Trying to join a league and haven’t received an invite via email? Click here.” and click there
7. Enter Royals review as the League abbreviation and the password you recieved.
8. Pick a slot in the league.
9.?
10. Profit!
I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT
Runs Produced
has been around since… before I can remember, honestly. Bill James railed against it in an early Abstract.
This space for rent.
My 10x10 points league...
has some great categories: complete games, shut outs, fielding pct…it ends up being pretty well-balanced. one guy tried playing without a catcher one year, but he got killed in the counting stats. our innings limit means you need to alternate between a 4- and 5-man rotation.
The CGSO is a GREAT fluke-ish stat, if you’re looking for one. The category winner usually gets around 6 or 7 of them (in our 13-team mixed league) during the season and you can see huge point swings on get-away days in September. I also recommend a few of these stats because most projection systems ignore them so you can’t just copy and paste a list from some website, or use BPs Player Forecast Manager.
Most don't use them because they are impossible to predict
What’s the point of playing fantasy if you have to rely on BINGO to win?
Them being impossible (or very difficult) to predict is precisely why they're included...
It’s fun to have some unpredictability on the margins. It’s only three of the 20 categories, so it’s a small weight and it’s a way to get away from the easy research that’s out there. Some pitchers NEVER finish games (Johan, I’m looking at you), while some do it fairly regularly (Doc, Greinke) and it’s a nice easy way to reward efficiency. Plus, our league’s most dramatic moments are often when guys get pulled after giving up a walk with two outs in the ninth, up two or some such. It keeps you invested in the games in a fun way.
I dislike FLD% because it’s both unpredictable and not a measure of any skill. I’ve unsuccessfully tried to lobby for SB% but haven’t succeeded.
by billexgordler on Mar 12, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Your pitcher is sitting on a 5-0 lead after 8 innings
but because he’s thrown 100 pitches they take him out. I had so many of those one year I was ready to punch somebodies lights out. CGSOs happen almost completely out of nowhere. Pitch counts have totally ruined it as a valid stat.
My buddies and I
Once formed an NBA fantasy league for fun where we did try to pick the most ridiculous stats. I think it was like Minutes Played, Blocks, Personal Fouls (Rasheed Wallace – #1 pick!), 3P FG attempts..stuff like that.
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Please tell me there's a category for Techincal Fouls
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As a commissioner
I used to add “holds” for a head-to-head league that also had saves. Everyone else would scramble for closers to fill their bullpen, while I just filled up with setup guys and made those two categories a wash every week.
Was that wrong?
Now "CentralChamps20??"--I just couldn't take it anymore.
by CentralChamps2009 on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Not wrong
A good roto or head-to-head manager has to work within the confines of the scoring categories of the league. It’s not like the stat categories were hidden from everyone else.
You're right
But it felt a little like insider information since I picked the stats.
That seems like a more appropriate name.
by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 12, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Was is a HORRIBLE league last year
that used save percentage instead of saves. The guy that won got one save on one attempt on opening and then benched his relievers the entire rest of the season.
I am in a league that has runs produced
it’s a keeper league and only my 2nd year, so I haven’t thrown much of a fit about it…yet.
In my other leagues I have tried to get us to replace AVG with OBP and ERA with WHIP, with limited success.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
Does CBS Sportsline have the stat "Olivo's"
I would support that. Miggy – #1 pick!
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
aren't passed balls
the same thing?
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by MidTNRoyalsFan on Mar 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
yep, when you swing at pitches that are 5 feet outside and bounce in front of home plate..
and you have two strikes, you can get an Olivo.
Go Royals!
I actually won a H2H league once
because of Anibal Sanchez’s no-hitter.
Murphy was an optimist.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Mar 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions
I'm late late late to this party
But Tango has some work on it.
(He has another page, I think, but I couldn’t find it on a quick search and I should be writing a research paper right now.)
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