RR League on CBSSports.com Update: Who Is Playing
by Freneau on Mar 12, 2010 6:00 PM EST
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The response I got regarding the RR Fantasy League (I'm getting to run a premium league for free) was pretty overwhelming. To those of you who emailed me just a few minutes late, I'm sorry that you weren't able to snag a spot. I was also going to have my wife make a rare foray into the RR universe, but I couldn't justify it when I had to turn away so many anyway.
(Just a reminder, if you want to setup your own premium league, you can do so for half off by clicking this link. Why should you consider CBSSports.com? The league is entirely customizable, offers live scoring, live support, live league chat, etc. You can even invent your own categories, such as "Bucks" which are catchers interference+steals. Anyway, through RR, you can get half off for your own league.)
So who is playing?
Here's who I got from my extensive notes: Matt Klassen (nee devil_fingers), Old Man Duggan, nwroyal, midtnroyalsfan, khazad, nyroyal, marbotty, AxMxDx, royalpug, kcbottom9th, billexgordler, and a few other guys who haven't revealed their SNs yet and or I've lost in my notes.
The excitement is building.
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When and where should we discuss the stats, roster composition and draft date options?
The immoderate moderator
I would prefer doing it here
It’s a little more user-friendly.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 12, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of sabermetric stat options does CBS have?
It seems like the most sabermetric options I’ve seen in standard fantasy sports hosting environments (Yahoo, ESPN, etc.) are OBP, SLG, OPS, WHIP, K/9, and BB/9. Does CBS have any other?
Also, I wouldn’t mind if it were a standard 5×5 or 6×6 league.
The immoderate moderator
Agree with NY
I’m up for a standard league, or we could go the Saber route. As long as Olivos and Bucks are included in the saber stuff, we’ll be good.
I'd vote to not go too heavy on the rate stats
If you do that, you don’t have an incentive to play everyone, and you have to institute strict inning and games played requirements which are kind of a hassle to deal with. I really hate negative stats of any sort in fantasy sports.
To make it more saber-friendly than a standard 5×5, instead of batting average, you could do times on base, and instead of RBI or HRs, you could do total bases. For ERA, you could do (innings pitched) times (league average runs allowed per 9) minus (runs allowed). If your pitcher throws 9 innings and gives up only 1 run compared to a league average of 5 runs/9 innings, you get a +4 in the runs category. That way, you only get negative stats if you’re throwing out players worse than league average. If our league is too deep and a lot of our players are worse than league average, we could bump the standard to 80% of league average, replacement level style.
Fortunately, K’s are saber friendly. For BB, you could do the same thing you did with ERA—(innings pitched) times (leage average BB/9) minus (BB allowed).
Or we could just go with the standard counting stats
which is always fun and way better than rate/negative stats.
just replacing BA with OBP is a huge upgrade
the pitching stats are another story, I think we’ll have to be fairly standard
We could do something like this
It was correctly pointed out that we shouldn’t use too many rate stats. Unless we can cobble together some form of Runs Created, I’d suggest:
R
HR
RBI
SB
OBP
SLG
W
SO
Save
Hold
ERA
WHIP
We could substitute K/9 or BB/9 for WHIP. And I’m a big proponent of using Holds becauses it expands the universe of pitchers used beyond just SP’s and closers.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on all points
Though if we dump WHIP, I’d preferr we add K/9 and BB/9, though it would unbalance the hitting/pitching stats.
batter nine you sucky
I also think we should limit the proportion of rate stats
I’m comfortable with 2/6 of the pitching or hitting stats being rate stats. I think 3/7 tips the balance. And I think we really need the same number of pitching and hitting stats so that neither pitchers nor position players is overvalued.
I’m comfortable with leaving WHIP in because it has become a fantasy baseball standard, and our sabermetric options are severely limited.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
also wouldn't make sense to have k/9 and k's
it’s like having batting average and hits as categories, which happened in a league i was in last year.
great way to make a guy like yuni more valuable than jack cust, but a terrible way to run a fantasy league
batter nine you sucky
I know what you mean, but the potential value of K/9 in addition to K’s is that it recognizes the K-value of relievers who contribute very little to any team’s K’s. But I’m with you that I’d prefer to just stick with WHIP.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I vote affirmative on this format
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
by MidTNRoyalsFan on Mar 13, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
So, you can "invent" your own stats
What kind of support do they have for defensive stats? Yahoo has assists and put-outs which would be really nice if only you could value them differently depending on the position. As is, it is fairly worthless.
How difficult would it be to invent (or approximate) something like WAR?
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Mar 12, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions
basically impossible
because you couldn’t really enter in replacement level easily
you could get to the raw runs created type stats they use
replacement level
I suppose that there is already some idea of “replacement” built in since you have to fill roster spots for each position. But, the bar is higher because of fewer teams. What kind of defensive metrics do they have?
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Mar 13, 2010 12:59 AM EST reply actions
I'm thinking the way the roster is set up
with 20 teams, we have way too many people to draft. Considering we play 2 catchers you have 40 catchers starting, and last time I checked there weren’t 40 MLB teams.
Yeah, I think we should change the rosters
My suggestion would be 10 position players, 10 pitchers, 4 bench and 2 DL:
C
1B
2B
3B
SS
OF
OF
OF
UTIL
UTIL
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
RP
RP
P
P
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
DL
DL
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
I like that, but probably not in this 20-team league
The problem with adding CI, MI and/or another OF to the above is that in this 20-team, we’re already digging deep into the talent pool. By May when a couple of your players have torn multiple ligaments, you’re going to want something decent left in the FA pool. With the above number of positions (10 position players, plus 4 bench), the FA pool is already going to be bereft of genuinely good players. If we add more positions, the FA pool might not even have many ok ones.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
If you're going to do that,
you might as well add one more bench to make the roster a 25-man roster.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Mar 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
25 man roster sounds right to me
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
by MidTNRoyalsFan on Mar 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Is that just based on the number assigned to the team name?
I was wondering if that carried forward to the draft…
it appears it's set randomly
I had the chance to pick team 15, but I saw team 9 hadn’t been taken yet, so my rentitve nature kicked and i picked 9. only after did i see that team 15 had the first pick. …bye bye albert :(
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
by MidTNRoyalsFan on Mar 13, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It was locked for a while, but I think you can do it now.
I’ve changed mine to something very clever and witty.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
…if I wanted a witty and clever team name that is totally “me,” I’d go with “Fuck you.” I might try that sometime.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hahahahaha
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Live Draft?
any discussion as to the date/time? I need to clear the time in advance to make it happen
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
by MidTNRoyalsFan on Mar 13, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions
I would prefer to do it in late spring training
So we get a little more information on who plays where, injuries, etc.
I’d also like for the draft to be in the evening, hopefully starting at or after 7 CDT/8 EDT.
How about Thursday, April 1, 7:30 CDT/8:30 EDT?
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Mar 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure
live draft is the best, but trying to find a good date for so many people could be rough
Set something that works for you, if we can't make it too bad.
This is gonna be a fun semi-serious league, but if I can’t make the draft, it’s not the end of the world. I’ll just pre-rank my players.
Does anyone like the idea of Head to head total points
with points being rewarded for total bases, walks, and steals, instead of head to head categories?
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