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Around SBN: What If This Is It For The Celtics? End Of An Era Looming

Danny Duffy has decided to take a leave from baseball.

Per 810. JJ Piccolo has released a statement to that effect.

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DM and Hillman are to blame

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

seriously,

what the fuck is going on with this organization? is the curse of denkinger that strong?

Duffy
Bianchi
Aviles
Gordon

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 24, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Normally I would point out that most organizations

have a low prospect success rate, but that doesn’t seem appropriate at this moment.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s Schaum

http://royalsprospects.com/?p=531

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on Mar 24, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Woaaah....
People have said that Duffy mirrors Greinke in several ways (both are a bit quirky and unique)…he changes speeds with the best of them and does not realize he is even doing it. I guess, he and Greinke now have something else in common…They have both walked away from the game…Let’s hope Danny comes back and reaches his potential like Zack did…

by Boots 58 on Mar 24, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

here is our next Cy Young winner

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Mar 24, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Schaum makes is sound like he's quitting baseball

Hope the kid is alright and knows the door is open to come back.

This is the lease excited I’ve been about a Royals season in a long time. I was excited for the minor league teams but that is tempered by losing Duffy, Bianchi and Moose—for a little while at least.

by nwroyal on Mar 24, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm.
I will give you more details as I get them but I was told by someone close to the situation that he had lost his love of the game and wanted to go back to school.

This doesn’t sound so much like the Greinke situation.

Murphy was an optimist.

by The Ol' Perfesser on Mar 24, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not?

Greinke just wanted to ride lawnmowers and not play baseball anymore. I guess we’ll see though in due time

by Boots 58 on Mar 24, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least its not the ministry like with Grant Desme.

I don’t think the Royals can compete with God.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first thought is that was what it was

I have a signed card of Duffy’s from Futures Night at the K and it has a verse from Colossians written under it.

by AxDxMx on Mar 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Royals minor league system takes a step forward towards being a top 5 system

Yikes.

Yet another example of the axiom that, “Prospects fail. Success is the exception to the rule.”

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

So true...

long road from the draft to solid Major League baseball player.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No more lefties at the Futures Game!

George sucks, Gobble sucks, now Duffy leaves. The FG is like the Twilight Zone for Royals lefty prospects.

by KCROYALS64 on Mar 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You gotta be kidding...

just when you think it can’t get any worse.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Official Royals statement

KC Royals.com

J.J. Picollo, Kansas City’s assistant general manager for scouting and player development, released the following statement.

“Danny informed us yesterday that his desire is to leave baseball at this time to reassess his life priorities,” it said. "Should Danny decide in the future to return to the game, we will be happy at that time to discuss the possibility.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch.

We all realize that the majority of these don’t exactly end up likee Zack, right? Even if this guy had the same the cy young arm, amazing talent, and cold-blooded bad-assery…when people quit they rarely come back.

Am I being too pessimistic?

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 24, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man. That's horrendous!

Best of luck to the guy, I had huge hopes for him. It’s hard not to be selfish for the Royals though: this sucks.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

By now the Royals must be feeling

like a guy whose girlfriend leaves him and then comes out as a lesbian. Was he that bad that he soured her on men forever?

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by cmkeller on Mar 24, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

hehe

It’s easier to take a swing at it with a loser and realize what you always were than go for the gold and realize mid-coitus.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck to him

Maybe he couldn’t stomach have the stellar D in KC behind him every 5th day throughout the summer.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 24, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Or having Trey Hillman as his manager

Now that would scare any pitcher into quiting

by KCROYALS64 on Mar 24, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Just Gnaw

Off your pitching arm and get it over with.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

good humor that's necessary in this thread.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Approximately where was he ranked for the Royals?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Off the top of my head,

Top 5-8 prospect in the org.

If you get a chance, check out the Rany write-up he posted in the last week or so.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

7?

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by 306008 on Mar 24, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA said #8

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BA 8
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Sickels 5
THT (not in top 10)
Fangraphs 4
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ouch.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My little girl just belched and threw up

That’s kind of how I feel.

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by 306008 on Mar 24, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Try It. It

Can’t hurt.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I could get was some dry heaves...

and those did hurt… lol

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by 306008 on Mar 24, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does this organization run or trade Dan's

Dan Cortez
Danny Gutierrez
Danny Duffy

I swear this is just some part of Dan Glass wanting to be the only Dan in the organization

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't wish him well

If he doesn’t come back I hope he spends the rest of his life regretting this decision. To walk away from all that potential and ability is a shame, makes me freaking sick.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand this feeling,

but sometimes it takes almost half a million to realize that you don’t really want to do something.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you not wish Greinke well

U have no idea what is going on here…he is 20 years old…U know how many promising players walk away from the game…u know how many promising 20 years old walk away from college…
they figure it out most the time…unfortunately if/when he comes back people will always ask him about this

by gregschaum on Mar 24, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I do realize how often it happens

And immaturrity and bad decision making is stupid every time. Unless he has a mental condition (ala Greinke) then I can see that. But folding when the pressure is on is just bitch ass in my opinion.

I could care less if someone tries their hardest and just flat out fails or isn’t good enough, heck I even applaud that. But someone who has the skills that others would sell out for, to just walk away is flat out stupid.

And if he does come back, and hypothetically is successful and people ask him about it guess what his response will be, “Man I was just really immature and stupid.”

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very true

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

If you were really skilled at something that you didn’t particularly care for, you should still do it? I don’t see how that makes any sense. People should pursue what makes them happy, what fulfills them in life. If the kid would rather go to college, and make $40k working in construction, more power to him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see that as being a realistic.

Project it 20 years into the future, when the mortgage is due, his wife just got sick, kid #2 is getting ready to go to college. His happiness decision to walk away is still gonna look good?

Finances are a part of life in a capitalist society, and living your life being decided for you based on money really sucks.

“Hey dad, where we going for vacation this year?” “Where ever we can afford to drive to”

“Hey dad, I got accepted to a great college with the best education in program x.” “sorry kid, we can only afford to send you to the local college.”

harsh and materialistic, yeah maybe, but also very real. Who wouldn’t want to be able to live life with money being near to no object. When you have a shot at that you take it.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

compare that to

Dreading every day because your whole life is consumed by something you don’t like to do.

by PopeSoria on Mar 24, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like most people

Silly unscientific example, but the movie Office Space was a huge hit because everyone could directly relate to it. Doing something everyday that they don’t like to do.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this guy is doing the opposite of that...

and you’re criticizing him for it?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but there's a difference between doing it for a short time

and making a lot of money so you can do whatever you want for the majority of your life. Unlike most people who will work until they are 70 and then attempt to retire.

I gotta believe the grandma’s and grandpa’s greeting at Walmart and scraping trays at McDonald’s aren’t there because they love it. I see that as frightening trend that is only increasing.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wondered why there were so many comments in this fanshot

so Peter from Office Space should continue to sit in his cubicle and be miserable if he gets paid a lot? i don’t think that’s what the movie was trying to convey.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how it applies here

but I think the message of the movie is clearly that whiny, white-collar 20-somethings should shut their yaps

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not talking about the message, talking about why people connected

Not because everyone connected with doing construction or fire bombing their place of work. People connected with that film because of the misery of the daily rat race grind.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 25, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not To Go

All Marx on you, but money really isn’t everything. I could have made a lot more money, maybe even playing baseball, if I’d wanted to.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

;)

“If I [really] wanted to.”

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly right sir. And not to go all Capitalist on you

But money doesn’t always bring happiness, it will bring more options.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he should carry on being unhappy

To maybe give himself the chance to make enough money to give himself the options to make himself happy?

Why not just, I dunno, stop doing the thing that you don’t like. What’s so wrong with that?

by kcbottom9th on Mar 24, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would do that....

but im not going to criticize his decision

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by billybeingbilly on Mar 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's gonna end up doing something he doesn't like for longer

and make way less. More time and less money vs less time and more money.

This seems pretty basic to me, perhaps oversimplified, but still.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't know that.

Maybe he finds what he’s looking for. Maybe this is a ploy to get out of the Royals organization.

by AxDxMx on Mar 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In communist Russia

Money makes You!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's some real realism

What is most likely for Duffy or just about any prospect is that they will toil in the minors for several seasons and never get a call to the majors, or maybe get a brief cup of coffee, and that’s it. During that time, the prospect will make a truly shitty salary, and will have wasted many of his most productive years.

It’s not like Duffy or any prospect gets to choose between making hundreds of thousands of dollars in the majors (or more) vs. some path outside of baseball. Sticking with baseball is basically a lottery ticket. It probably won’t win you anything. Choosing some other path, like going back to school at a young age to build a career is probably the more fruitful course economically in the long run.

That is a harsh and materialistic economic reality.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but a lottery where your ticket is in your hands

You beat the other guys, you win. A better lottery than the 15million americans currently unemplyed.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he can do is work hard. He can't guarantee the result just by giving maximum effort.

Baseball history is full of thousands of guys who worked their ass off to realize their dream, only to leave baseball as career minor leaguers with little money and no education or career to fall back on.

But the fact that staying in baseball is one option doesn’t mean that he has to or he’s a bitch ass. That’s just nonsensical.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he has a shot at going to college for basically free

By using his bonus money to pay for tuition. Maybe he will major in finance there. Maybe he is hired by Goldman Sachs on Wall Street and can look forward to hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonus payments by the time he is 30 years old.

You really don’t know what his motivations are, and baseball is not the only way to get rich.

Then again, maybe he doesn’t want to get rich. I don’t find his decision to be necessarily stupid at all. It’s just strange. He’s 20 years old for crying out loud. Think of all the decisions you made when you were 20 years old that were strange or that you would like to take back.

Only time will tell if he is making a mistake, and it’s not up to us to judge whether he is making one now.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Mar 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He likely goes to college on the Royals' dime

not on his own bonus. It seems that post-college tuition is pretty much standard in contracts to H.S. draftees these days.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true

AND if he goes to a Division 2 NCAA school, he should have one year of college eligibility left. Could you imagine him going to a UCM for one year?

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by 306008 on Mar 24, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am only slightly less dumb than when I was 20

The advantage of age is experience, which he doesn’t have.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But folding when the pressure is on is just bitch ass in my opinion.

Glad we got that cleared up.

by NotAHippie on Mar 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But folding when the pressure is on is just bitch ass in my opinion.

Is doing what you want to do and opting for happiness “bitch ass”?

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is bitchass

Because he won’t be any happier. He will definitely rationalize himself into saying he’s happier (like most of us do), but in truth he won’t be.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won't be happier?

What in the world are you talking about? You mean, no one could be happier than playing in the bus leagues for $12,000 per year? Are you kidding?

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No matter what happens with Duffy,

you make me feel a lot better about my situation.

Thanks.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm very happy with my job and my life.

You make it sound like that puts me in a huge minority.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately I feel you are

I feel a lot of people are pretty unsatisfied with their lives. Now this opens a whole new can of worms on how spoiled we are in this country…..let’s save that for another post.

The rest that don’t admit to being unhappy/unfulfilled are just rationalizing.

Then there’s a few like you that are totally in the sweet spot.

Especially in the teaching field, look at how many people in that field just look beat down by life. My mom & aunt were both teachers and they loved it, but soooo many of their coworkers just had the look of death row inmates.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wanna know the secret?

take a few actual breaks from answering questions and check RR, google reader, RCT, and mix in a song or two an hour.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 26, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope after this choice he is actually happy with it

however, later if he isn’t, then hopefully the Royals or some other team leaves a door/window open for him to try again.

Sure it’s a little weak to quit something, but we all have given something up that we have loved/liked/or were semi-good at. However, he may just really not liked baseball.

That would really suck to do something you don’t like around people you may not like away from your family nearly every day of the year.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Beane springs to mind there

But then again, he went and became a GM, so maybe he reconsidered.

by AxDxMx on Mar 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hits just keep on coming

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by Top Ramen on Mar 24, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

He's only 20 right?

He got a moderate signing bonus, which for all we know could have gone to paying off Mom and Dad’s mortgage. He gets paid peanuts as a minor leaguer. He spends hours each week on a bus driving from backwater to backwater. All his friends are probably having an awesome time in college, and he has a curfew and has to watch everything he eats, everyhting he drinks etc etc etc.

It’s not hard to see where disillusionment might set in.

by kcbottom9th on Mar 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not hard to see where disillusionment might set in.

Well, kind of. If he really doesn’t like playing baseball much. And/or if he isn’t interested in working towards a potential big payoff. I mean, it’s not like he’s some fringe prospect. He’s a top 10 prospect in an organization with a good top 10. Don’t know why he’d get disillusioned so soon.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder if this is a case where the treatment of minor leaguers would come in

similar to the posts from a few weeks ago.

If you do have guys quitting (or even performing at a sub-standard level) due to diet, stress, money reasons etc; would increasing the per diem and perhaps salary above standard MiLB ranges help?

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by Top Ramen on Mar 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boo Freaking Hoo

You don’t get to play a game for 6-8 figures because it’s easy. Appreciate the grind, those who endure.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you do?

Did you always know you wanted to do it?

by NotAHippie on Mar 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Whole Universe

Is in your head, and no one else lives there. I hope he figures it out and comes back, but most of all I hope he has a good life. Baseball is a very small thing.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I love teaching, but teaching doesn't pay

I run my own business, I’m building my business to run itself and investing so I can stop working early (by 40) & follow my other passions (one of which is teaching). Others include traveling (been to 5 of the 7 continents), providing for my family, and starting my own charity foundation.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird

If someone doesn’t enjoy something and they decide to stop doing it, what is there to criticize? Your criticism of Duffy (especially when not knowing why he did this) is, quite frankly, bizarre.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many people genuinely enjoy what they do

As in if money didn’t exist and they didn’t have to do their job to pay bills they would still do it for free 40hrs per week?

Quick survey, everyone please respond, I want to know.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because a lot of people don't enjoy what they do

you’re criticizing Duffy for trying to find something he does enjoy?

by NotAHippie on Mar 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he finds something that genuinely makes him happier than great.

But the odds are greatly stacked against that. Most people are stuck in jobs they really don’t enjoy. So if my options are job A that I don’t enjoy where I have no chance t get ahead or job B that I don’t enjoy where I have a slim chance to get ahead very quickly bsed on my own merits and abilities and make a lot of money.

I take option B every time. Does that make sense?

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way finances are breaking down now most people will need to

save 3million for retirement. Thats a large chunk that is getting larger. Decent money ain’t what it used to be, there’s a reason that in most families both parents work and most divorces are over finances.

Money doesn’t bring happiness, it does bring options however.

And real money doesn’t exist in the rat race anymore. Maybe I have a dark outlook of the future of this country, but the middle class looks like it’s going to me.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So your financial advise is stick with the job which gives you a tiny chance to make big money, because a middle class salary just won’t be enough to get you the retirement money you’ll eventually need. I’m sorry, but that is horrible financial planning.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello, And Welcome

To Wal Mart!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then that would be the right choice for you

You would want to gamble. Maybe he doesn’t want to wager the next 10+ years of his life on a long odds proposition.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's bitch ass talk.

by NotAHippie on Mar 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So the odds of not getting downsized in the next economic

shit storm are better? I interview people everyday that have been working for 25+ years.

Nearly all of them tell me that if they knew then, they would have made a lot of different decisions and taken more risks early on.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, the odds are better

There are about 10,000 lines of work more stable and with better job security than professional baseball.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has given it a shot. He's probably been consumed by baseball since he was

8 years old. Maybe now that’s he’s spent more than half his life doing one thing he wants to try something else. And maybe now that he’s getting closer to having his dreams realized, he realizes he’s not actually satisfied with the payoff versus sacrifice nature of this path.

What the hell’s the problem with him living his life instead of yours?

by Gross(est) on Mar 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd normally agree with that if he were an average minor leaguer....

but the odds are good for duffy that he’d draw a major league salary for at least a couple of years…starting next year

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by billybeingbilly on Mar 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might want to check out the history of non-elite prospects

Duffy isn’t a top 50 prospect on any list. He’s a top 100 on only one or two lists. What do you think the success rate is for prospects like that? What percentage do you think draws a major league salary for even one full season? It is tiny.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Can this really be characterized as “tiny”?

Take a look at this

A lot of familiar names there, and that’s only two years ago.

Here’s the list from 2007. Take a look at 81-100. Again, a pretty decent number of familiar names.

I know I’m dealing with a small sample here, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that guys at the lower end of the Top 100 list have a “tiny” chance of making it to the bigs and drawing at least a year’s MLB salary.

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by DCRoyals on Mar 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or rather,

I do think it’s unfair to say they have a “tiny” chance. My bad.

"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"

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by DCRoyals on Mar 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh... hello?
Most people are stuck in jobs they really don’t enjoy.

Most people don’t have the means to head to college and study whatever they want to study without having to be concerned about finances. Duffy’s going to be able to go get his degree in whatever he wants, and afterward won’t have to worry about repaying six figures worth of student loans.

In short, Danny Duffy is not “most people”.

This space for rent.

by jonfmorse on Mar 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think poorer people misunderestimate the power of Federal Pell Grants

I don’t know the specifics, but if you ain’t got much, they’ll at least help you somewhat, while you don’t have to pay on the government loans til you leave school. It’s really a pretty sweet deal, but one that a lot of people think is out of their reach.

by AxDxMx on Mar 25, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've Employed The

Odd strategy of never having a job good enough to miss if it goes away. I think I’ve finally found a job I’d miss, and I get to play with helicopters, so it’s OK with me.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I work in a theatre shop building sets

It’s physically and mentally demanding but I get to see the fruits of my labor instantly, I’m learning about tools and construction techniques, and I’m a big part of something that brings a little joy into people’s lives.

It’s not out of the question that I would do it volunteer.

by Soria's Unibrow on Mar 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoy what I do

I could earn more doing something else, and that didn’t make me travel as much, but it’s a trade off.

Money really isn’t everything.

by kcbottom9th on Mar 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

I’m guessing he wants to be happy. So he’s choosing a path which he thinks will make him happy (or happier than playing baseball). You seem to be saying he has an obligation to stay in baseball for years, pursuing the the goal of making the majors, even though the odds are very, very long against him (and every other prospect). You seem to think that is the only thing that makes financial sense. You’re just wrong. It’s one way to go. It’s not the only way. I can’t say it is the best way.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really think you're overestimating the long odds in duffys case...

odds are very good for him that he could make alot of money very soon. The odds might still be long for the franchise that he becomes an impact player though.

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by billybeingbilly on Mar 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not even close to right

The odds are very good that a prospect who isn’t even a top 100 prospect is going to make major league money at some point in his career? You are way, way off.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be clear

The ONLY reason you are upset is because he is a Royals player who could possibly help this team and you are a Royals fan.

If this were some actor quitting Hollywood to disappear from the limelight, or a college basketball player forgoing the NBA to get his degree, or a rising attorney quitting his job to work for a non-profit, I’m guessing you wouldn’t be upset at that decision at all.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, young actor who has never been in a movie or tv show should stick with acting. That's where the big money is.

Sure a miniscule percentage of those young actors ever make any real money in show business, but you have to stick with that lottery ticket as long as you can. Hey, you control your own fate after all.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell no

If I didn’t need to pay my bills, no way would I be hacking out code. I don’t not enjoy it (as in, I don’t wake up dreading the day’s work ahead) but my job exists to pay my bills, period.

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by cmkeller on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

Your outlook makes me sad, bro.

by Dadunca on Mar 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a teacher

32 on ACT and valedictorian in high school and majored in education…wouldn’t change that at all.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the rare one's that do work in their passion great

But for most people that is just not the case. I feel this is a valid point.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We're In Pinhead

Angels territory now, but I suspect this thread will live for a long time.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Look At Them

Dance!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of them!

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Mar 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thread has just started to get good

And by “good” I mean “crazy”.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those of you who wish he would stay, think of it this way

If he forced himself to keep playing baseball when his heart really wasn’t in it, don’t you think his performance would suffer anyway? If he isn’t interested in baseball, he’s not likely to put in too much effort in improving his mechanics, developing new pitches, or staying in shape. Making him stay would probably doom him to a life of toiling in the minors for no money, only further enforcing his dislike for the game, making him struggle further, etc.

Might as well let the kid go and figure things out. If he wants to come back, we’ll welcome him with open arms. If not, good luck out there.

by Soria's Unibrow on Mar 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

If i was 20

and had a few hundred grand put in my hand for my “potential” I would assume:

1. Money is easy to get and will never be a problem.
2. I will be special and sought after no matter what I do
3. $200 grand in the bank makes me set for life.
4. Life is pretty easy

Give him a year, let his bank account dwindle, let him face the prospect of working for $12 bucks an hour. His perspective may “mature”

by who am i? on Mar 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I will repeat that I don't think sticking with baseball is necessarily the "smart" "materialistic" "realistic" "mature" way to go.

Most likely a prospect like Duffy would end up spending the next 10+ years making $15K-35K and never touch the majors, or get just enough of a taste to really have his soul crushed. Then when he’s in his 30’s and out of baseball, he’s got to start a new career from scratch when he’s not so young. Does that sound like the mature thing to do? To battle the huge odds against making it to the majors, instead of starting a real career with a stable salary?

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to a point...

if you arent enjoying yourself you would be a fool to toil away into your 30’s hoping for lightening to strike.

If you are 20, a top prospect, and still growing, you keep going as long as you are moving forward.

that goes for any job… . I believe Donald Trump once said “if you are 30 and you look down and you are still wearing a nametag, it’s time to think about a career move”

by who am i? on Mar 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are 20, a top prospect, and still growing, you keep going as long as you are moving forward.

No, YOU would keeping going. That doesn’t mean everyone would or should. This isn’t like most other jobs. In this job, you get paid a tiny, shitty salary year after year for the very, very small chance that eventually you’ll get a big salary. Now, it’s fine if someone wants to take that gamble with years of their life and live on very little money. But it’s also fine to take a safer, more secure path which doesn’t involve starting from scratch in your 30’s.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you doing a task at company X means that company is bringing in

$100,000 you are not paid $100,000. Not even close, then company X would not make a profit. They will pay you the minimum possible amount to keep you or make the position attractive enough to replace you.

Trust me I have 18 employees.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the minimum possible amount that you are offering for this position?

I am jumping ship from this law firm I work for!

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I was hoping you took that as funny

that was what I was going for

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What in the world does all of this “earn what your worth” rhetoric have to do with how wise or stupid it is for Duffy to leave baseball? It is completely irrelevant. The issue is how much he’s likely to make in the future. And he’s not likely to ever make MLB minimum. He’s not an elite prospect. He’s not even a top 100 prospect according to the vast majority of prospect analysts.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his odds of earning the minimum for a year or 2 are decent

maybe not with the royals necessarily, but decent

somewhere around 30-50%

he is a pitcher after all, and those guys tend to get opportunities more readily than AAAA masher types

by Freneau on Mar 24, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

again, not saynig he's turning down millions

but I think he has a 30-50% chance of earning $400 K for a year or two

by Freneau on Mar 24, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't think the numbers support this

He’s not even a top 100 prospect according to most (I think that includes BA and BP). I’ve seen some numbers on this, but it’s been a while, but I think a 30-50% chance of earning the minimum for a year is a stretch for 50-100 prospects. If you’re not in the top 100, it’s even more remote than that.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

we really aren't arguing that much

if you had to put a percentage at your “not likely” assessment, what would it be?

duffy has some things going for him, especially that he’s left handed pitcher, who still has loogydom to fall back on as well… once pitchers get to a certain level, everyone thinks they can fix them, or that they can turn it around, or that they just need a change of scenery… these guys never end up actually working out as players, but there are enough bad teams out there that you can scrape together a year or two of the minimum… just look at the bottom half of the B-R page for your typical bad team… its filled with just complete effing randoms

now granted, the matter would be a lot clearer if he was about a year older, given that he only has one season at high A (in a pitchers park/league) under his belt

by Freneau on Mar 24, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you had to put a percentage at your "not likely" assessment, what would it be?

If he were roughly a 100-150 prospect, then I’d say about a 5-10% chance of ever acquiring one year of service time. My gut says the number is closer to 5%.

The fact that he’s a lefty helps him, and yet the vast majority of lefty pitchers never make it, even as a LOOGY. I mean, there aren’t that many LOOGY jobs in the majors. Fewer than 30. The odds aren’t in a prospect’s favor.

The fact that he’s never been beyond A ball, and thus his moderately high prospect status is almost all projection, does make him an especially speculative third tier prospect.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My argument on earning potential is not irrelavant

in my opinion. I think the main thing we disagree on is mainly philisophical. I just do not see the average working way, working for somebody else doing something pretty average and totally replaceable is safe at all.

You can always find something to make ends meet. To actually get ahead you need to do something exceptional or something that no one else wants to do. He has exceptional talent and exceptional potential compared to the rest of us. And he’s volunteering for the workforce meatgrinder. I don’t see that as a safe move.

I’ve seen too many avg people doing avg things lose their houses and lose their jobs in the past 2 years. From my perspective that is not a safe way to live.

Does that make sense?

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean

But here are the problems. First, it kind of seems like he doesn’t like doing this thing that he has a talent for. Now, if this thing (baseball) were likely to make him a huge salary, then maybe it would make financial sense for him to just suck it up and do it, at least until he’s saved up some good money. But the odds say he’s not likely to make even $400K. It is more likely that he’ll earn $10K-35K per year in the minors for several years, and then get dumped into the job market in his 30’s with only a HS education, starting from scratch.

Second, yes you can be fired from any any regular ol’ 9-5 job. But there is a hell of a lot more job security (and financial security) there than in professional baseball.

But most importantly, these are personal decisions based on highly individual priorities. You’d go one way. Duffy clearly prefers another way. What is pretty clear is that there is no one obvious good decision here. There are multiple decisions that make sense based on the personalities and preferences of the individuals involved.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely see your point NYR

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree yet again. Just looking down the line this seems like a bad move to me.

But you’re right, I’m not walking his mile and I ain’t wearing his mocassins.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Anyone Here

Have any idea what he plans to do?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

For his sake I sure hope it’s cool as hell and he loves it (unlike 90% of the workforce).

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should probably just stay out of this, but...

…let me just say A) That those of you who are criticizing Duffy’s decision from a financial standpoint are probably not looking at the world through a 20-year old’s eyes. 20 year olds do a lot of stuff that looks stupid from the eyes of a man with three kids, a wife, a mortgage and all sorts of financial commitments but that which looks not only NOT stupid, but as the only option available. It’s his call and he must be miserable, so here’s one vote for letting him be happy…and B) for those who are suggesting that his odds for making the majors are long indeed I would only say that no one here has any idea about this kid’s aptitude for doing anything else, but we do know that he has the aptitude to be a very good pitcher, perhaps one of the 100 or so best at what he does. And also just remember that even if he’s a top-150 prospect, how many of those top-150 are LHPs? 10? 20? At any rate, he’s one of the best 20 LHP prospects in the world. He has a much better chance of making the majors than he does making a like amount of money in business. I can say this without hesitation. And yes, he still might fail, but his being left-handed is significant. After all, even Jimmy Gobble, a terrible lefty, has made at least a million dollars pitching in the majors.

by billexgordler on Mar 24, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...
After all, even Jimmy Gobble, a terrible lefty, has made at least a million dollars pitching in the majors.

That “terrible lefty” was a top 5 organizational prospect three years running, and a top 50 overall prospect in 2002. Of course, he was also ranked behind that other can’t-miss lefty, Chris George, so there’s that…

by kcemigre on Mar 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point...

…in case it isn’t clear, is that being left handed is already figured into that top-150 ranking you’re talking about.

by kcemigre on Mar 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's already earning a little over $1k a month

Awesome!

And he only got $350k signing bonus. That simply might not exist anymore, for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Maybe he IS being mature, and realized that he needs to get a real job, because he simply can’t afford to carry on playing baseball for 5 years and be left with nothing as a 26 year old with no education. If he also just doesn’t enjoy it, it would be a simple and smart decision to bail out now.

by kcbottom9th on Mar 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

An indictment?

Might there be something to the way the Royals are developing players that could have led to this “unhappiness?” What if the loss of love for the game has anything to do with “I hate playing this game the way they want me to.” Schaum’s story about him throwing the slider in the Futures’ Game when he’s not allowed to for the organization suggests that there is no give and take This isn’t the first time the regime has asserted its will and caused some problems with good pitching prospects (the Danny Gutierrez rehab incident, the Mike Montgomery long toss episode). While I don’t believe teenage kids should dictate the way they are taught or used, in the same way the organization seems to have a “one-size fits all” method to their system, when every kid is not the same. That mindset suggests a systemic arrogance that we’ve certainly seen evidence of in the organization. After yet another setback, it seems incumbent on the system to prove this wrong.

More than ever, I fear that there is no bright future ahead under the current front office.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure about Duffy, but the Royals and the one size fits all approach to pitching can lead

to a lot of disenfranchised players.

 When you lose control because the org exerts it over you, the mind set changes so you don’t get to own your success but the org gets to own the failures.

The one size fits all approach makes a lot of these kids unhappy and feeling like they are treated like 10 year-olds. I have no idea if this was a factor with Duffy, but I know it is with others.

by WARoyal on Mar 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a post at Royals Corner:
I have a very good friend that hosts some of the players in Wilmington. She was saying that one of her players said Duffy almost quit last year but the strength coach on that team talked him out of it. He told her they were there for 2 hours after a game one night just talking about life and he convinced Duffy to stay with baseball.

I agree with the Unibrow. If his heart wasn’t in it, he wasn’t going to make it as a good player. Better to let him reassess and if he comes back with renewed vigor in the game, great. But I’d rather he walk away than half-ass it because his heart wasn’t in it.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Now if only some other players would have done that

Jose Guillen

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhh

No

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're on fire today man!

LOL

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

we get to rant about something in a fanshot

Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "[my most important sabermetric stats are] runs scored and runs driven in"

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 24, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the cliche arguments between

“i feel bad for him!” and “the dude screwed us!”

Why can’t it be that it’s a tough situation for the organization, and had they done their job scouting properly, might have prevented this? Why can’t it be that yes, he did (or is about to) screw us, but that is directly proportional to our investment—and it’s better to lose the dime now than to lose the dollar later?

Nuance, people. It sucks for both the org and the player. Let’s hope he gets right and comes back, and if not, the Royals don’t lose too much money trying to convince him otherwise.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd also like to append

that it may not (or ever could be) preventable. These things happen—it’s baseball. If it starts happening a lot to the same org (the Royals), then it merits a larger study.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that this board is Royals-dedicated

But other than Grienke (who, thank heavens, came back) and Duffy, what other baseball burnout cases can we cite from other teams that make this seem like it’s not Royals-specific or perennial-losing-team-specific (i.e., cites from teams like the Pirates or Nationals may mean it’s not only the Royals, but it’s still a specific quality that the Royals possess more than an average MLB team does)?

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by cmkeller on Mar 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

probably a lot we haven't heard about

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think a lot has happened that never gets reported

especially 10-15 years ago when there was hardly any coverage of prospects

i’m sure many guys quit/came back/quit again

by Freneau on Mar 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know man

I think people are a lot weaker in our society now. Past couple generations were a lot tougher. It amazes me how many kids in college now adays have never had a job before. Then they graduate and can’t handle it and move back in with mom & dad.

I think significantly less guys probably quit back in the day then compared to now.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most kids quit (retire) they do not get released.

The only reason Duffy stands out is he was progressing well and a highly ranked prospect in the org.

Injury and desire cause most kids to move on. The low end prospects get released before they hit A-ball. The ones that make it into the single track of A, Hi-A, AA, and AAA are hoping to get a shot before they are too old. Most realize that the odds are slim and retire. Ray Liotta just retired… did anyone whine about it? No, he’s an older guy who’s ceiling was not so high, but he left just as Duffy did. He still had a place if he wanted to try, but he felt it wasn’t in him any more.

I guess I applaud Duffy on one hand for recognizing it at 21 instead of 23 or 25 or 28. We all like to look at the age of 20 or 21 and say lots of potential, but if he was 23 or 24 in the same position, he’d be getting old. Where else can your future be pivoted on so few years of development time except sports and baseball in particular…

Good luck to him, he knows himself better than anyone on this board can.

by WARoyal on Mar 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

If its time we start to question what kind of coaching and support staff we have in the minor leagues. Exhibits:

Dan Guiterrez – immature kid who exhibits lack of discipline and lack of respect for authority
Dan Cortes – ditto
Dan Duffy – walks away from the game to reassess
Zack Greinke – walks away from the game to reassess
Joe Dickerson – retires, rather than rehab from injury (maybe its not fair to include him in this list?)
Jason Taylor – suspended 50 games for drug use
Nick Francis – suspended 50 games for drug use
Tyrone Wilson – suspended 50 games for failing to take a drug test
Jacob Rodriguez – suspended 50 games for failing to take a drug test
Jarrod Dyson – suspended 50 games for amphetamines

Sure, these guys bear the bulk of the responsibility, but considering what they are investing in these guys, doesn’t it behoove them to have a great support system of mentors that can help these guys mature and adjust to life as a professional athlete?

I don’t know if that list is any better or worse than other teams, but considering how much we need to rely on our farm system compared to a large market club, I would guess we need to do better.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would think that this kind of list can be put together for all MLB organizations

We’re talking about very young men. They often break rules, use recreational drugs, act like douches, act immaturely, disrespect authority, etc. And decent prospects sometimes walk away from the game.

Now I’m not saying that the Royals do a good job with minor league coaching, support staff, etc. I’m just saying that it doesn’t look to me like the available evidence points to the Royals having a particular problem. The problem probably is that the Royals are dealing with young men. It goes with the territory.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you may be right

But like I said, considering how greatly we rely on homegrown products, maybe we need to be ahead of the curve here.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be very interested

to know what kind of support system the Royals have in place. This just falls under the larger heading of issues that MLB organizations need to address at their minor league levels. Do any teams provide a mentoring program (perhaps even an on-staff, roving sports psychologist) and nutrition program for all prospects, coupled with a cultural transition program for international prospects? If not, shouldn’t those be something all MLB organizations are interested in?

They’re already investing millions of dollars in these guys, and I know most of them won’t end up making it. But wouldn’t the intangible benefits to the organization outweigh the costs? Wouldn’t these things be a great recruiting tool for international prospects?

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a good idea

Of course it is easier said than done. How do you make 18-23 year old men more mature? How do you get them to not smoke weed when they go to a party? How do you make certain that they don’t do any of the bad things that get them into trouble with the law, the organization or MLB? I’m sure more can and should be done by the Royals. But it is quite possible that the improvements may be minimal. It’s still probably fairly inexpensive and worth a shot.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addition

Maybe you also skew towards drafting/signing kids who are more mature, truly factoring character (instead of giving lip service to it), leaning towards mature college grads over high school kids.

Of course, then you get into things that are difficult to quantify or evaluate, and you’re dealing with human behavior which is impossible to predict.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you also

have to consider what happens when you get drafted..

Since the first time you picked up a ball it came easy.
You were the best in little league
you were the best in high school
you were maybe the best anyone in these here parts has ever seen
you parents & coaches have doted & bragged about you

suddenly you are pulled from the nest. Traveling on a bus riding around Idaho. Surrounded by a bunch of guys who are just as good, probably better. Instead of being coach’s pet, your coach now acts like a drill seargent yelling at you to hustle. They expect your A game on tuesday morning practice as well as gameday. You were gonna be an MLB all-star by the time you were 20, now you can’t even get at bats in rookie league.

I don’t know what clubs could do differently, growing up is hard anywhere. It’s got to be brutal for some of these guys. It’s really a wonder more of them don’t flame out.

by who am i? on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of the film, "Sugar."

Not great, but pretty good. Check it out if you can hang with subtitles.

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought about that movie earlier.

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by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It at least should make people think twice before they say

“Sure, Dayton Moore is terrible at trades and free agency, but if we come up with a totally homegrown team of stars, it won’t matter!”

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 24, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those who are saying that won’t stop saying that four about five years when several top prospects have failed dismally. And top prospects (top 10 in a given organization) usually fail.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes 10-15 years to evaluate a GM

I mean, it’s not like we have any idea if Andrew Friedman is any good

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 24, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes longer than that

Serious historians won’t even seriously look into events within the last 15 years. It’s too fresh. I think we’ll need generations.

And of course a geologist wouldn’t consider the issue until a million years have passed…

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, other than

how many RBI Guillen had in his early years

Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "[my most important sabermetric stats are] runs scored and runs driven in"

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moore Like This

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love that picture

It should be in every classroom in America.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side-Saddle, No Less

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

However, the Royals’ ownership aren’t getting their money being historians. Although they predict the future, they can base their decisions on how probable it is that Dayton Moore will bring them success. And if The Process has been mostly a disaster, it’s probable that he’s not going to bring them success.

BTW, (using an anecdote from history) it didn’t take very long for the Chinese to realize that Mao’s Great Leap Forward wasn’t going to work out. They didn’t know how much it would affect them nor how historically devastating an impact the GLF would have, but they knew that things weren’t looking good and probably would not just magically get better.

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by baetown415 on Mar 25, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is my biggest fear

Dayton has essentially put all of his eggs in the development basket. The first Dayton draft-and-develop guy closest to the majors is not a washout because he isn’t good enough, but because something robbed his joy of the game. I hope that “something” wasn’t the Royals’ developmental system. If the system is doing something inherently flawed, then there is absolutely no hope under Moore.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 24, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget

juan gonzales
Jose rosado
and…
…hopefully….
….wait for it….
jose guillen

just walking away rather than trying to make a comeback

by who am i? on Mar 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is too bad

it might be a sign that he couldn’t deal with adversity of being injured and maybe he wouldn’t have been up for the next challenge. Whatever the reason I wish him luck and if he wants to come back I’m sure we’ll all welcome him. KC is very deep at left handed pitching prospects and this doesn’t hurt all that much.

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

this doesn't hurt all that much...

right now We’ll see how our other pitchers progress, but I have a feeling it will look worse over time.

"It’s not about the guacamole itself," Greinke said. "I just don’t want to let them win."

by Joseph Landis on Mar 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sucks for our bats

…I was pretty sure he was going to be the first to move in the whole “pitching is the currency of baseball” philosophy.

This has a greater impact to the minor system in general because he could have been moved to fill some of our gaping holes in the minors (SS, C).

by Section304 on Mar 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a very religious guy

maybe the game of baseball was taking him down some paths he wasn’t sure he wanted to go down.

by trauty on Mar 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the anonymous deadspin letter on Dominican players was true?

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by Top Ramen on Mar 24, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

I hope that he’s ok – both mentally and physically (and that he’s NOT depressed or suicidal or anything). With the lack of any other info, I will assume that he’s making this decsion with sound mind and body (at least as “sound” as any other 20 yr old). Therefore, I wish him well. If he never returns to baseball, I hope that he has a good life.

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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

one can hope

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

REVERSE mentoring

I like it.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 24, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

questions

What would the reaction here be if we were talking about Mike Montgomery instead of Danny Duffy? The same? Stronger reactions?

Also, is there a link to the royalsreview breaking story (like this one) about Greinke? I’d love to see the reactions there.

by Crooow on Mar 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I found two old posts about it

there is 1 comment total on them, so not terribly useful

the thing is, no one knew anythig about what was going on with greinke for days (at least not people not connected)

it was reported he simply left camp for like a week… then it became he had “personal matters”

the full story wasn’t known for, I wanna say, at least a month

by Freneau on Mar 24, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What now?

I would guess that part of the discomfort is that there’s nothing very specific in Duffy’s decision to leave. When the A’s minor leaguer Grant Desme left baseball to pursue the priesthood, it came as a bit of a surprise, but since there was a definite focus to his future plans (and, I suppose, also because he wasn’t considered that great a prospect by some) it didn’t have the same sting to it.
I’m hardly the one to talk the kid out of departing; I’m making my own career-change plans, at a much older age than he (and money’s not an issue, I’ll be poor but happy either way), so I have no business telling someone what he has to do or what it’s his “responsibility” to do. I just hope he gets to a place where he can make up his mind without too many penisheads ruining his life one way or the other.

Murphy was an optimist.

by The Ol' Perfesser on Mar 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Penisheads Ruining A

Life would be a perfect ending for this thread.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

religion?

I saw one post that said he is really religious (unless i read this wrong as I was flying thru it)

that has never come up once in my conversations with him and I know that is not an issue

let me ask you what is the one thing that would have become a major problem for you at his age….think of what it is and while there might be different thoughts I imagine a few of you can find a common thread that binds you

by gregschaum on Mar 24, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there a woman involved?

Someone that he doesn’t want to be away from for weeks at a time for half of the year? Just a shot in the dark.

BTW, if this is about a woman, then he does have some major maturity issues. But I guess we all have to do what makes us happy.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's 20 years old. Based on the 20 year olds I have known (including me at the time)

I think we can assume he has maturity issues.

So now you’ve got me wondering if he knocked someone up or if he’s gay. Clearly that means it’s time for me to ditch this thread and get back to baseball and away from gossip.

by Gross(est) on Mar 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I quit a job when I was 20 over a girl

And yes, I had major maturity issues when I was 20.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious, what job?

and that totally brings up a great example. The member of the Beatles that quit right before they made it. Yeah I’m sure he has no regrets.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're going to use the Beatles as your support,

I’ll use every Jack or Joe that’s ever said “you know what, this band thing just might not work out”.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just give a silly for instance champ, simmer down meow.

Although all the great success stories all involve people who dropped out along the way. Pretty consistent theme. Great success is rare (yes I am being greedy and speaking financially, it’s a convenient scoreboard), being average is the norm.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some crap temp job

It wasn’t like it was my path to success, it was just a summer job, but it was still pretty immature. I pretty much just stopped going into work because I was distraught my girlfriend of a year had dumped me. Wow. I can’t believe I was that dumb back then.

Maybe Duffy will say this too someday. But its his decision to make. I think everyone has to make their own dumb decision in life.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um...what?

Are you referring to Pete Best who was pushed out of the group because the other three and George Martin didn’t think he was up to snuff and they really wanted Ringo Starr?

Or are you referring to Stuart Sutcliffe who was a sucky bass player, an artist – not a musician – who only joined the band because John was his best friend and he liked the coolness of it and who quit to live with his totally smoking hot German girlfriend and rededicate himself to working on what he actually loved. Also he died within a few months of leaving the band, probably because of a brain injury he sustained when the band got beat up one night. And several of his German art buddies did make a living with their art, not to say that he necessarily would have, but just to point out that financially his closest peers were able provide financial security through following their passions.

Either way, I don’t think this example proves the point you’re trying to make. Nor does John Lennon’s murder help prove that sometimes all the risks and sacrifices you have to make in order to be a world famous top of your field whatever are worth it.

by Gross(est) on Mar 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truly a noble pursuit

He has my blessing and best wishes.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

" a common thread that binds you"

I was thinking he hated Trey Hillman and Dayton Moore too.

Or lives in his mom’s basement.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,

One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

by BrRoyal on Mar 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the book Faramir

not the unrecognizable, butchery of the fill Faramir

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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Darkest Depths

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 27, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoaaaa

I am sorry….I was not referring to Danny with my post….I meant in general most of us at that age had issues we did not cope with well….

I am sorry I was not trying to become PerezHilton here

by gregschaum on Mar 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I was not trying to become PerezHilton here

You could never possibly be that annoying in a million years even if you wanted to.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 24, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perez Hilton

is a national treasure.

Bite your tongue.

by Crooow on Mar 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Those Not

Familiar with him.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a fucking idiot

yes, it’s his life, but seriously: what a fucking idiot

he’s not a fringe, right handed bullpen pitcher that throws in the mid 80’s, he’s a lefty that throws in the low 90’s with a plus breaking ball. duffy was going to make it to the big leagues, barring catastrophic injury – only a matter of time

how anybody could work their entire life to one goal, then flush it when they’re the closest they’ve ever been to achieving it, tells me a. they were never really that into it in the first place (which i find hard to believe) or b. they lack the self determination to make it through the rough patches. maybe there is another answer, but it sure wouldn’t make sense to me. and for what it’s worth, i’m his age (year or two older), so i can immediately relate to ‘that time in life’. also, don’t give me that getting a college degree is more fiscally responsible BS, he could have played for 4 more years and been done with college at 28 if he wasn’t in the big leagues. hardly ideal, but hardly the end of the world considering the financial head start he already has.

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by slayor on Mar 24, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

duffy was going to make it to the big leagues, barring catastrophic injury – only a matter of time

Have you been following prospects long? Prospects like him fail a hell of a lot more than they succeed. Hell, prospects better than he fail a lot more than they succeed. It amazes me that people who follow baseball closely can still expect second and third tier prospects to succeed.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't say he'd stick in the big leagues

i said he’d get at least a cup of coffee

young, hard throwing, left handers have a high chance of making it to the big leagues sooner than later – see andy sisco

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by slayor on Mar 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A cup of coffee doesn't make a guy much money

Should a guy really toil for several years in the minors making shit money for the chance to maybe someday be a September call up? And he really isn’t a particularly hard throwing pitcher. His unspectacular stuff is why most prospect analysts recently put his ceiling at mid-to-back end of the rotation. He’s actually a lot like Danny Christensen, another lefty pitcher who was once a pretty good prospect that didn’t pan out.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who Cares

The Royals are not going anywhere.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Mar 24, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ever?

If they are never going to be good ever, then I guess prospects don’t matter. If they ever have any chance to be any good, then prospects do matter.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why this is important

The best way to develop one good major league pitcher is to have 10 good minor league prospects. A whole hell of a lot of pitching prospects are going to fail. That’s the way it goes. The more of these lottery tickets you have, the better chance you have to get one good MLB pitcher. One of the Royals lottery tickets just got lost (maybe it will be found again). That’s not good.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

maybe we have a pitcher diamond in the rough somewhere.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Mar 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are no Americans in Baghdad

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Mar 24, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Wish Him

All the best.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading the back-and-forth on this thread and all I can think is this movie quote from Good Will Hunting:

Will: What do I wanna way outta here for? I’m gonna live here the rest of my fuckin’ life. We’ll be neighbors, have little kids, take ’em to Little League up at Foley Field.

Chuckie: Look, you’re my best friend, so don’t take this the wrong way but, in 20 years if you’re still livin’ here, comin’ over to my house, watchin’ the Patriots games, workin’ construction, I’ll fuckin’ kill ya. That’s not a threat, that’s a fact, I’ll fuckin’ kill ya.

Will: What the fuck you talkin’ about?

Chuckie: You got somethin’ none of us have…

Will: Oh, come on! What? Why is it always this? I mean, I fuckin’ owe it to myself to do this or that. What if I don’t want to?

Chuckie: No. No, no no no. Fuck you, you don’t owe it to yourself man, you owe it to me. Cuz tomorrow I’m gonna wake up and I’ll be 50, and I’ll still be doin’ this shit. And that’s all right. That’s fine. I mean, you’re sittin’ on a winnin’ lottery ticket. And you’re too much of a pussy to cash it in, and that’s bullshit. ‘Cause I’d do fuckin’ anything to have what you got. So would any of these fuckin’ guys. It’d be an insult to us if you’re still here in 20 years.

by Casper01 on Mar 24, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm pickin up what you're puttin down.

On a side note Good Will Hunting is kinda like Dances With Wolves or Forrest Gump for me.

Totally blown away and loved them the first time, but each time I see them again I enjoy them less.

Totally opposite with the Godfather I & II and Wrath of Khan though.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dances With Wolves gets better every time

EVERY TIME!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

now?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 24, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, used to have no problem sitting through it.

Now it feels like I have restless leg sydrome around hr 2.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had that the first time

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that

will be the last time The Godfather and Wrath of Khan appear in the same sentence.

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Born Dec. 21 1988 - means he'll be 22 in December...

It’s not a big shift, but in the sensitivity to age in baseball there is some difference between 21 and 20 and Duffy is definitely 21.

by WARoyal on Mar 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ummmm FALSE!!!!

GMDM still signs 32 year olds for their potential… therefore no difference between 32 and 20…. there certainly cant be a difference between 21 and 20!

~~~ you might have been thinking it, but I actually said it.

by who am i? on Mar 25, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooops my bad

sorry.. the age not factoring only counts when it’s another teams former prospects.

sorry.. the age not factoring only counts when it’s another teams former prospects.for internal guys 21 is old

~~~ you might have been thinking it, but I actually said it.

by who am i? on Mar 25, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

SPAM....SPAM....SPAM....WARNNG, WARNING....DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER

DO NOT OPEN
DO NOT OPEN
IS THAT WHAT U WANTED WILL…TO WARN YOU ABOUT SPAM

by gregschaum on Mar 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

Why is a 20 second clip of an old Chris Farley routine on a free site, you tube, spam? I thought spam was more commercial in nature. It was intended to relate to the conversation about Duffy. Kinda reminded my of Your Mom’s Boyfriend, who I think, despite the general sentiment which I endorse that folks should follow their bliss, onto something.

by wobatus on Mar 26, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am sorry

Will said to look out for spam and when I saw just a link…I assumed it was spam

and the part about my mom hurt my feelings

by gregschaum on Mar 26, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a user on here named Your_Moms_Boyfriend, which is what he was referring to

And actually, the way you report spam is to hit the action button and flag it.

by AxDxMx on Mar 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

OF COURSE

I WAS referring to the post above mine

by gregschaum on Mar 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Not pitching anything

I just thought it was apropos. The line is something like “You’re young and think you are going to grab the world by the tail and stuff it in your pocket, but you are probably going to find out, as you go out into the world, that you’re not going to amount to JACK SQUAT!”

I just hope Duffy doesn’t end up at 35 living in a van down by the river.

But apologies if someone opened it expecting something else.

by wobatus on Mar 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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