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Worst Catcher in Royals History


While teams like the Yankees and Redsox and Cardinals et al can have heated, long debates about who is the best player in their team's history at each position, our such debates would be short and simple.  SO...

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...it is for this reason I have decided to start up a discussion on the Worst ________ in Royals History.

Kind of negative, sure, I understand.  But it's all we have.  We have to latch on to something.  Moreover, it's fun, in a self-deprecating sort of way.

I'm going to put the minimum games at 100, unless somebody has a good reason why it should be more or less.

Anyway, who is it?

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Jason LaRue

No debate. Next.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Mar 25, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Worst OPS+, Royals history, min. 100 games

1. Larry Owen 1987-1988: 54
2. Chad Kreuter 1999: 60
3. Brent Mayne 1990-1995, 2001-2003: 65
4. AJ Hinch 2001-2001: 67
5. Buck Martinez 1969-1977: 69

I hated Owen. I felt like he was blocking Mike MacFarlane despite showing absolutely no ability to hit.

But I probably have to go with Mayne. He was just so inept offensively, and the Royals shoved MacFarlane out of town even though he was still fairly productive because they wanted to give Mayne a shot. Every other team in baseball used him properly – as a backup catcher. But we made him a starter not once, but twice.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Owen

Larry Owen by a freakin’ mile.

by RoyalsFan on Mar 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope

The answer to this question does not become “Jason Kendall” by the end of the season. And ESPECIALLY not by the end of next season.

I really wish I would have known my life as a fan would peak in October 1985. Savor the moment, kids.

by chiefstatnut on Mar 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Ed Hearn

Doesn’t reach the minimum number of games, but if computed by cost, he has to be # 1.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Mar 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Larue easy

But Kendall is going to give him a run for his money.

Yes, I'm still alive. Sorry to disappoint you.

by royaldaddy on Mar 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Mike Sweeney - 2007

Came into camp in the greatest shape of his life and was ready to start catching again.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

this is pretty negative thinking… But I suppose it would be jason larue. Yikes

by kcfan92 on Mar 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Bako vs. LaRue

While these guys didn’t have enought games to make Retro’s list above, they each had 50+, and thus enough to warrant inclusion in the discussion. A comparison:

LaRue (2007): 195 PAs, .148/.240/.272/.512, 35 OPS+, 2 PB, 12 WP, 13 SB/8 CS=38%, 1 Run Above Average
Bako (2006): 167 PAs, .209/.261/.229/.489 28 OPS+, 2 PB, 22 WP, 26 SB/14 CS=35%, 1 RAA

I was going to throw Jorge Fabregas or Alberto Castillo for comparison up there, but they were both better than these two guys. Ed Hearn was a terrible acquisition but (because?) he only caught 9 games in KC, just not enough playing time to warrant the label.

These guys made the guys on Retro’s list look acceptable. LaRue was devasting and gets more negativity due to being used a little more (about 10 games more) and that horrific BA. But, in nearly every respect, Paul Bako was just a little worse. Congrats, Paul!

BTW: It may be negative and demeaning, but I LOVE this!

That seems like a more appropriate name.

by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Three things in life are certain

Death, Taxes, and Paul Bako somehow having a spot on a major league roster.

by Soria's Unibrow on Mar 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is kinda funny

and yes I will go with Bako

with LaRue second

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

funny that even with this impressive list

somehow greg zuan wasn’t worth keeping around even as a backup. Maybe he was blocking Sal Fasano… i just cant’ remember

~~~ you might have been thinking it, but I actually said it.

by who am i? on Mar 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I always did the finkle and einhorn with...

sal fasano and louis aguiar… I swear it was one guy moonlighting…and fun to joke about as a nerdy 15 year old. Btw its very unfeasable to be elipses man on an iPod… … … Everytime I hit a key it takes me away from my … And the worst of is a great idea… Negative category with a focus on royals history…jo po and denny would be proud. Still been reading the site folks but dont have time to write. Keep up the good work

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on Mar 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dennis Paepke (breaking the 100 game rule 'cause I want to)

At long last someone has asked the question I have been burning to answer for 36 years. I hated that guy and now I finally get to vent. (He’s probably a very nice guy but I was pretty young and really didn’t like him.)

As for the worst OPS+, how about Dennis Paepke: 36!!!

Only 80 games, but they are each seared into my memory like a scalding hot brand. (I guess I’ve always followed this team WAY too closely.) In an apparent effort to find him more at bats(?), the Royals played Paepke in the OF 18 games, where he played like a lousy defensive catcher. As a lousy defensive catcher, Paepke allowed 3 PB and 10 WP in 333 innings at that position, spanning 46 games with 35 starts. I was surprised to find that he threw out 33% of would-be basestealers.

In 210 PAs, Paepke amassed a BA-OBP-SLG line of .183-.229-.249.

My runner up also breaks the 100-game rule: Jim Campanis. He played 113 mlb games, but only 61 with the Royals, Campanis had an OPS+ of 20 with the team in 148 PAs. Defensively he was worse than Paepke – 4wp, 8pb, 25%cs in 300dIN. While they were both excruciating players to watch, Paepke gets the edge for being more obscure and therefore more enjoyable to recall and rip on.

Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?

by royalsroyalsroyals on Mar 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

That is truly awful.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must be in the top 29!

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Mar 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have mentioned

Since most people’s memories around here don’t go back far enough to cover these guys, Paepke was a Royal from ‘69 to ’74, and Campanis (Al’s son) in ’69 and ’70.

Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?

by royalsroyalsroyals on Mar 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would

Sal Fasano be a consideration?

by tomasofthejungle on Mar 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

REEEEEEECCCCCCCCED

I once had hope...now I have Moore.

by Dubya on Apr 1, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true

Sal was the man.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Apr 4, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not 100 games, but . . .

How about Santiago? With JuanGone, he was the face of a dismal 2004. We signed him for his ‘roids numbers, and every time I watched him catch, I lurched at my screen as he would drop his glove during the windup. I’ve never seen a catcher with a worse target than Santiago.

by Is It February Yet? on Mar 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I completely forgot about him

I’ve erased most of the 2004 season from my memory.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I talked with Greinke that year about our catchers

and he praised John Buck’s work behind the plate. Seeing the same thing you did with Santiago’s glove, I asked Zack what he thought about the target Benito gave him to pitch to, “What target?” was his reply. Only 49 games with the Royals, but he still deserves to be mentioned on this list.

Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?

by royalsroyalsroyals on Mar 25, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

TPJ

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Mar 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

What a trip down memory lane

BTW – Sal Fasano was still an active minor league player in 2009. I believe he will manage this year in the minors. A truly strong list of worst catchers here. In recent memory, LaRue has to be considered for his awfulness with the stick. He was a guaranteed out of TPJ proportion.

The guys from early 70’s like Campanis or Paepke just go to show us that as badly as we think players are now – there have always been players like that.

by daveyork on Mar 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Dave Duncan And

Charlie Lau were both catchers for the KC A’s one year. That was back when teams carried 3. Great coaches, really bad catchers. The immortal Doc Edwards was the starter. We actually traded Howser and C Jose Azcue to the indians for him.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This post made me wonder two things:

1) Tell me again why so many people wanted to dump Buck?

2) Maybe we should add “catcher” to “shortstop” when discussing nearly-continuous black hole roster spots for the Royals.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Mar 26, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it either.

The Blue Jays sure jumped on him. I expect nothing less than a career year out of Monsieur Buck.

by AxDxMx on Mar 26, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Forget LF.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We wouldn't want to pay 3M for a guy who can't throw out base stealers

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 27, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

The worst one I remember seeing play

was Mayne. He could not hit a lick. I must have somehow blocked out Larry Owen.

I suppose the two best catchers in Royals history must be Porter and Macfarlane, right?

It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

by Juancho on Mar 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

yet

he had one season (2003?) where for the first month or so he was essentially the best hitter in baseball.

by Crooow on Mar 27, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayne

Are you all morons? How is Mayne even on this list? He’s got the 7th best fielding % in the history of the game…Was he a great hitter? NO, but not all catchers are Bench’s or Fisk’s. His job was defense, and calling a game, and it just didn’t get much better than Brent Mayne in that aspect….ask any of the old pitchers from those teams who they’d want to throw to, Mayne or McFarland….Hands down Mayne. Baseball has so many facets, that you can’t just rank a position for one aspect…I’m sure you’d all like to see Frank White in the HOF…..how was his hitting?

by billncambo on Apr 5, 2010 4:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Please explain why fielding percentage means anything

Particularly for catchers

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

While FPCT is worthless, he is right about one thing.

Mayne really doesn’t belong on the list. Sure he wasn’t great, but if you did a top 10 list of Best Royal Catchers, he would be on it. That doesn’t say worst to me unless you’ve only had 10 all time. Worst long time starter? Sure, maybe. Worst Royals catcher? Not necessarily.

by AxDxMx on Apr 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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