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Is Gil Meche's Fastball Back?

Note:  Only the Surprise and Peoria facilities have the camera set up for Pitch FX data.  Pitch information will only be available at home games or away games versus the Padres and Mariners.

I was worried a little about how Gil Meche's fastball would hold up after it lost a few ticks at the end of last season. The following is Gil's velocity chart from FanGraphs.com show Gil's fastball velocity's over the past 3 seasons.

 

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via www.fangraphs.com

It can be seen that Gil's average fastball velocity hovered around 92 to 93 MPH last year until he was injured.  After he came back from the DL his average velocity was around 91 MPH. After four starts he went on the DL until the end of the season.

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Today, of the 40 pitches Gil threw, 23 were fastballs. The fastest one reached 94 MPH, while the slowest reached 91 MPH for an average of 92.26. It looks like Gil is near is pre-DL fastball speed, but I will continue to track it.

 

Gil did seem to tire in the 40 pitch outing. Here is a graph of his fastball speeds along with the order the pitches were thrown.

 

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Gil's fastballs during the first 20 pitches (92.7) averaged being 1 MPH faster than fastballs throw in the last 20 pitches (91.7). This trend will be interesting to follow over Spring Training to see if Gil is just building up his stamina or his fastball slows as he goes further into a game.

 

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I can't be the only one that thinks

Meche is almost done, right?

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 7, 2010 2:01 AM EST reply actions  

who knows?

I think he really needs to get with another coaching/management staff

by Freneau on Mar 7, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Do starting pitchers usually hit a wall or fall off a cliff at age 31?

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No extension for Meche then

But I don’t see any reason for thinking that Meche is almost done. Certainly the statistical record and his age do not support such a contention. The injury is a concern, but unless someone knows a lot more about it than I do, all we can do is guess about how that will affect him going forward.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

His Back Problems

Seem to be chronic. I think he’ll be good, but not for a full season.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He had back problems last season

But it’s not like he’s had chronic back problems throughout his career. I don’t know that because he had back problems last year we should expect that he’ll have chronic back problems for the remainder of his career.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What exactly is his back issue?

I know from personal experience that it can be very hard to shake off, if you ever do entirely.

by kcbottom9th on Mar 7, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know the specifics

It seems like it has been referred to as “back spasms” and “lower back strain” and “back stiffness”. So it’s hard to tell how bad it was or if it will continue to be a chronic, recurring problem.

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by Scott McKinney on Mar 7, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Kinda Shaky

Here, but I seem to remember him having back problems with the M’s. I could be way off base.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading something

last year that attributed Gil’s back issues to him attempting to overcompensate for his sore/dead arm in his throwing motion by using his back more. Assuming the new training staff can alleviate the acute Hillmanitis that afflicted Gil last season, I would say his back should be fine.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 8, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think

anybody is really throwing at full velocity so far, outside of a couple of the bullpen guys, so i would expect to see it pick up as camp progresses

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by slayor on Mar 7, 2010 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

Do you have Pitch F/X on Crow yesterday. Brooksbaseballs site was messed up.

Keith Law had him 91-94 while the Royals were reporting 95-97 pretty big spread.

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 7, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Looks like Law was right compared to Pitch FX data

He threw 15 fastballs from a range of 91 MPH to 95 MPH with the average being 93.5 MPH

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have the link to the Law quote?

I couldn’t find it at ESPN

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's on insider

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 7, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I am paid up, I will see if I can find it

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=law_keith

Here is the link has stuff on Blake Wood as well

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 7, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

the 95-97

was from the stadium radar gun. i actually went straight to his gameday pitch f/x when i got home last night.

by 9il on Mar 7, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pitch FX has been know to be off, but if it is off by ~2MPH, Gil's speed is way up

Let me compare so other pitchers and see how they compare.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I am just surprised the Royals are saying the numbers from it.

I guess I shouldn’t be since most of their pitchers are more saber-metrically inclined than the rest of the organization.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 7, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Crow was 91-94 and located the pitch very well to his glove side, while his 84-86 mph slider had good tilt and some late dive to it; he mixed in one changeup at 96.

Keith Law ESPN Insider content

I think that changeup was probably 86

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 7, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

hehe

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by Justin Bopp on Mar 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

According to PITCHf/x

Crow threw 15 fastballs averaging 93.5 mph, five sliders averaging 85.1 mph, two changeups averaging 86.4 mph, and no data was recorded for one pitch.

I haven’t done a detailed analysis yet, but the camera system in Surprise seems to be fairly well calibrated for both speed and spin deflection measurements.

by Mike Fast on Mar 7, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Good info.

Love pitch FX. I think Gill will build up his stamina… it’s early. This is one reason I keep asking about the Royals long toss program… is it extended like the Rangers do or is it strict, like they’ve done in the past? 120 or bust!

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by 306008 on Mar 7, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

BTW

I was at the game Saturday. I didn’t see any long tossing at all. Now, both the Rangers and Royals have multiple practice fields – so it’s highly possible that this took place on a side field after I went into the stadium. They were only doing batting practice and fielding drills on the fields that I could see before the main park opened.

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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 8, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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