Picking Through the Wreckage of Black Sunday
In the last 24 hours the Royals have been hit with bad news regarding three injuries: an elbow injury for infield prospect Jeff Bianchi, a broken thumb for Alex Gordon, and elbow stuffness for minor league pitcher Danny Duffy.
Bianchi: The worst injury, of the three, at the moment at least, is Bianchi's. The Royals are still very thin when it comes to position player prospects, and Bianchi was one of their more advanced guys of note. Bianchi has hit .288/.339/.434 across five minor league seasons, and will now miss all of his age-23 campaign. Bianchi, a Baird-era holdover, doesn't profile as a future star, but he's a nice player that a number of system watchers like quite a bit. Darren rated him as the 8th best prospect in the system and Keith at the Royal Tower has him at 12th. He'll return in 2011, looking to establish himself as a 24 year old, with both shoulder and elbow surgeries under his belt. On the whole, this is a real blow.
Gordon: Gordon's injury is less severe, but involves a much more important player. Gordon will reportedly miss three to four weeks with a broken thumb. And hey, the Royals only found out about a few hours after it happened. In the old days, that'd be a few weeks (we kid, kinda). In the short term, we'll get to see more Callaspo at third, part of a sub-optimization plan the Royals have been daring themselves to implement for months now anyway. Four weeks is essentially right at Opening Day, so if everything was a little bit different, this really wouldn't be a big deal. Even if we extend to a solid 6 weeks, we're really only looking at Gordon missing something like 10 real games, and he would have sat in one or two of those anyway. But, this is Alex Gordon, who is coming off of a lost 2009. And despite what everybody literally says, there's just a huge amount of lingering suspicion that nobody's totally "down" with one another. Just look at that Hillman quote in the story linked above. I'm not sure Gordon truly needed this Spring Training from a baseball sense (working out his swing, getting into a rhythmn and all that) any more than anyone else. But from a "returning to normalcy" perspective, he likely certainly did. And that's not going to happen now.
The fact is, the Royals under Hillman/Moore don't have a great track record of managing injuries. Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus touched on those problems just last week, and now we'll really get to see if things have changed. Carroll characterized the Royals' approach last year as "deny and hope". Ouch.
Duffy: Which brings us to Danny Duffy's injury. Duffy has elbow stiffness, and as a precaution, the Royals are shutting him down for the time being. Right now, that seems to be about that. At first glance that seems like an improvement, but we'll just have to wait and see. Duffy is one of the more intriguing young pitchers in the system, rated by Darren here as the #6 prospect. Duffy wasn't expected to contribute to the big league club this year, however, this isn't a great start to his 2010. At this point, we must simply hope that this isn't a major deal.
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I think the Bianchi injury is especially bad
I had predicted a big year for him, getting to Omaha by mid season and, who knows, getting a cup of coffee in the bigs?
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Frankly,
This is disappointing but shouldn’t be as catastrophic as the billing. Certainly, injuries don’t help, but Dayton Moore’s job is to help the team overcome those injuries by addressing depth at every level of the organization.
If he’s done his job, these injuries will be absorbed.
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Of course we know the answer to that comment based on what happened last year.
We do not have the infield depth to support injuries to Gordon. Maybe this opens the door for Aviles at 3B? Maybe Callaspo plays 3B? Maybe Bloomquist plays 3B? Who knows what the Royals will do for those 10 or so games, but Gordon didn’t need an injury. I doubt he comes straight to the big league team because he’s going to have missed the time of getting back into the swing of things. The Royals should give him a rehab assignment if possible… Not sure when the MILB season starts at Omaha, but they always will have a boost in attendance when Alex is there. Build some interest in the affiliates.
As far as Duffy is concerned, at least we shut him down before TJ. Hopefully it doesn’t continue to get worse. Do we know anything about Duffy and injury history or is this his first professional injury?
And as far as Bianchi goes, I was excited to watch him in AA this year before he moved up to AAA. I thought he would have a great season this year. This is his 3rd major injury since signing, right? Wrist, back, and TJ…. bad luck.
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Callaspo to 3B the majority of the time. I still think Aviles reclaims SS unless...
Yuni’s bat heats up. Fat chance.
I can solve the 3B question with 2 words
Wilson. Betemit.
I live in NYC and had to listen to some dufus the other day tell me Betemit was “probably better than anyone else on your team.” I told him he was an idiot and he was like, “seriously dude, who’s better?”
I thought about naming Butler or Soria, or the fact that we have the Cy Young winner, but I thought I’d enjoy a private joke so I name-dropped Yuni.
Solid
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by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
Amazing answer.
What’d he say?
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Didn't know who he was
I wish I could say I told him Yuni had “tools off the charts”, but that quote hadn’t dropped yet.
Someone said that? I imagine this is what they were saying.

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by marbotty on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
not the end of the world, no
but a) we still don’t know about Duffy one way or another and b) I think everyone involved needed a normal ST from Gordon…
losing bianchi for a year is unmitigated bad news
by Will McDonald on Mar 7, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
What
is going on in that picture? Also, what’s with the Jung quote when you mouseover?
Oh, and this is only slightly important, but why would Gordon have sat out two of the first 10 games? If I were Trey/Dayton, I would be shoving plate appearances down this kid’s throat.
Omaha's season starts on April 8th
so it couldn’t hurt to at least give him some rehab since they’re going to be at home until the 15th. Gordon’s 2010 could get even worse than his 2009 if he’s not ready for action. So putting him out there in KC without any ST could lead to him starting cold and maybe even hurting other parts of himself trying to make up for the rust.
And Gordon is very close to being an obvious pick to never start against LHP. Josh Fields and Callaspo can handle LHPs and occasional starts at third. Gordon has been awful against LHP and Fields is great against LHP.
But then again, Trey doesn’t platoon. He was the kid who kept trying to ram a square peg into a round hole.
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If I may humbly suggest
reading this before deciding for sure who is and isn’t destined to be a platoon player.
Prior to last season, if one had gone by his observed major league splits, Billy Butler would have looked like a platoon player, too.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Splits
Gordon v. LHP
2007: 217/266/340, 154 PA
2008: 234/312/317, 187 PA
2009: 163/268/367, 57 PA
Career: 217/288/365, 398 PA
Gordon v. RHP
2007: 258/330/408, 446 PA
2008: 273/370/491, 384 PA
2009: 261/348/383, 132 PA
Career: 264/349/436, 962 PA
Gordon has always been a perfectly acceptable hitter vs. RHP. But he has typically sucked hard against LHP. Butler isn’t a good comp because Butler’s poor 2008 vs RHP can be balanced by his 2007. Granted, you also have the reality that RHB will face RHP a lot. But LHB will face LHP less often, even when they play every day, due to demographics.
As for Josh Fields
Fields vs. RHP
2007: 213/284/393, 301 PA
2009: 213/281/314, 186 PA
Career: 206/280/348, 528 PA
Fields vs. LHP
2007: 321/371/698, 117 PA
2009: 243/346/429, 82 PA
Career: 285/356/580, 218 PA
Fields has hit 31 HRs in his career, 16 off of LHP, 15 off of RHP. So 50% of his HRs are off of LHP while 30% of his PA are against LHP.
Fields vs RHP is eerily similar to Gordon vs. LHP. And having Gordon start against LHP with Fields on the bench seems counterproductive to the number one task of a manager, which is to win games.
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so you didn't read it
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did
didn’t see Gordon there, didn’t see Butler there, i’m not basing Gordon on just one season but the overall LHP split. Fields has a stronger shot of improving his split vs. RHP than Gordon vs. LHP. But ultimately, Gordon is a fine hitter who is being dragged down by having to play against LHP. And if he is limited against LHP, then the team is better and he looks better. But the Royals are managed by a little league coach and they have a 70s mentality towards how to build a team and what players are worth keeping. Calm down, i’m not being that harsh towards your boy Alex Gordon because I don’t want him to keep failing against LHP.
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if the royals were going to win 85 games, I might want to aggresively platoon him
but they aren’t, and I’d rather give him more chances against decent LHP at the big league level… personally, I tend to agree with you, i think he’ll probably always be a little like Eric Chavez, back when Chvez was only hurt 60% of the time… lots of guys will have random years where they hit Ls decently, which will then also be their career years
then again, he probably isn’t going to be a Royal in 3 years anyway, so maybe I should just not care about small marginal minor developments
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
it just seems silly
yes, Fields projects as a better hitter vs LHP than Gordon (although why Gordon’s thumb injury should be the occasion for discussing this is beyond me). Without looking it up again, I remember the calculations. Assuming CHONE’s projections are right (Gordon is a .350 wOBA hitter, Fields about .330, iirc), then vs. LHP, we’d expect Gordon to be about .322 (again, I’m not going to drag my spreadsheet up again), and Fields about .350. Over a full season, that’s about 14 runs
Except we’re not done, yet, there’s also about a 7 run difference between the two on defense (that’s conservative. So about 7 runs.
Oh, and Fields is a bad baserunner, and Gordon’s good, Let’s call that just one run, so be generous to Fields.
So now the difference is 6 runs.
Oh, but they are only going to face LHPs about 1/3 of the time. So it’s a 2 run advantage.
So that’s still an advantage, but it’s a small one, and, as Will says, if the Royals were contending, and Gordon was a journeyman who wasn’t still developing (and we didn’t need to see what he had), it might make sense… and if there weren’t other places Fields could help the team, and…
Look, if Gordon needs a day off, make it against a LHP, and if Fields isn’t already hitting at DH or RF or LF that day, fine, but there’s not point to it as a strict platoon right now. We aren’t trying to break Gordon in, we’re trying to play him, and while the point is to win games, playing Fields over Gordon at 3B isn’t that much of an advantage given the Royals situation.
And if you don’t think LH guys with big spltis “reallyh” regress like that, check out Russ Branyan’s 2009.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is not directly a comment germaine to the discussion of platooning Gordon
but its somewhat amazing that we’ve gotten to this point with him.. dude was gonna be the savior man, the savior!
i really remember reading nothing negative about him as a prospect. its not like now, where moose and hoz have their good and bad points, their advocates and detractors… we were all pretty much down with Gordon and loved his game
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
This Is The
Point. The near future of this franchise rests with Gordon. That may be a bit dramatic and over the top, but think about it. If Gordon turns into the player we thought he would be, this whole lineup is a different creature. He was a plus defender in ‘07, and I believe he can be again. He’ll probably K too much, but I think he has a couple of 30 HR seasons in him, too. Brett; no. A fine MLB 3B; probably. He needs to play every day.
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by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
Russ Branyan's not a good example
Branyan never got playing time against LHP (his top year before 2009 was 62 PA in 2002). Gordon, in a year where he was injured, came within 5 PA of matching that total.
Gordon’s sample is pretty big for a LHB vs. LHP. In 2007 and 2008, he got the third highest number of PA vs LHP amongst LHB (behind Teahen and DeJesus). Gordon isn’t lousy against LHP because he hasn’t had enough PAs, it’s because of something else with his approach.
And honestly, this team should do everything they can to win within reason becase they’re not doomed to lose this division from day 1. The “it doesn’t matter, we won’t do this” stuff really piles up and accumulates towards stuff like not giving young players their shots or not putting the best lineup possible on the field every game.
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I can see that argument
but do you really put Fields in that category? I will grant that you could, but should you?
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
and by that I mean
the category of guys that we need to really see what their fullest potential is/get them the most PT possible
if Fields were younger, maybe I can see it. If he was better, I could also see it. Just not sure he is.
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Fields is only 14 months older
Fields is entering one of his peak seasons. Gordon should be nearing his peak soon. Fields is 27, Gordon is 26.
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Fields isn't proven in that role
so there’s a shot that he could screw it up.
But then again, Callaspo will probably have lots of free time considering how he lost his starting job for some reason. And Callaspo vs. LHP is a pretty good bet.
But ultimately, having a guy who hits as badly as Gordon does against LHP for 150 to 200 PAs a year has to be a drag on the offense. And I think that the entire thing doesn’t just take place in an isolated sample, it bleeds over to how other players perform.
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random trivia
Gordon had more PA vs LHP in 2007 and 2008 than Branyan had vs LHP from his debut through 2008
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The point is simply that the studies matter
platoon skill regresses. It has for Branyan. It has for Ichiro (the opposite way). You’re not only ignoring my detailed hitting explanation above, but the defensive and baserunning parts that boil it down to 2 runs.
What’s next, a defense of the Jason Kendall contract because “we need to do everything we can to minimize passed balls this season, period?”
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
when Branyan consistently plays against LHP, he does better against LHP. Not stunning. Using that field, what would Gordon need to do to play better vs. LHP? he’s getting a lot of PA as is, his manager doesn’t believe in platooning (and his manager thinks that freaking Rick Ankiel doesn’t have a platoon split).
If we were paying Kendall’s salary to Fields or someone who was a leftymasher, then there’d be a point to that comparison. But if you have 13 hitters, on a team without 9 every day starters, put the best 9 on the field for that game.
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How many LHP will Gordon face in our division?
Twins: Liriano
ChiSox: Danks, Buehrle
Det: none
Cle: David Huff?, Aaron Laffey
5 out of 20 starters in the division are lefty. Gordon will probably get a few of those days off as “rest”, and the others he’ll play.
I would argue
that making moves which, in the long term, work against the best interests of the franchise in order to chase a somewhat empty division title in a weak division is not the correct action to take. Yeah, I know, flags fly forever. The thing is, if getting one flag keeps you from getting three more, it’s still a faceplant.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
you make it sound like i'm gonna go on a FA run
not that i’m going to take playing time from a dude who can’t hit LHP and give it to someone who can hit LHP.
Best 9. This isn’t AAAA.
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"This isn’t AAAA"
it is when Josh Fields is considered a third baseman
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
At least we're not talking about splits by spot in batting order
that guy had to be Trey under an assumed name.
Anyway, if we are going to talk “best 9,” then Gordon is miscast as the target, anyway — Fields should be playing over Guillen, Getz should be playing SS until Aviles is healthy, and Callaspo should be playing second.
In all seriousness, it would be nice if you’d actually engage the the arguments and /or issue refutations if you disagree with the substance, rather than trotting out “the manager’s job is to win” or “best 9” rhetoric.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, you visited my profile page to find something I wrote last summer. You should have left flowers.
And ideally, Getz, Guillen, and Yuniesky wouldn’t be on the team. I’m not sticking my neck out for a Getz at Shortstop as a stopgap. Stopgaps should be slightly better. You could probably find players like Chris Getz relatively easily, It’s like bragging that you have lots of pennies.
Fields over Guillen is more likely when Guillen takes his annual DL vacation, although I don’t think Fields has a solid argument over Guillen, although if Fields could get the time, he’d probably beat Guillen in raw numbers (I think that Fields would just need to show up and play without pants on to produce the same percent of value divided by his salary that Guillen does).
Guillen as DH this year is going to be a waste of time, but then again, Guillen’s stint in KC has been a waste of time.
As for argument engagement. You just want me to talk about your link. And you think that because I won’t talk about your link, I must be one of the opposites. Despite the fact that we’re in agreement on various topics. I just don’t use math as often while posting. Oh well!
Did I not engage the argument by noting that Gordon has gotten a lot of playing time vs. LHP and performed badly when you pointed out a player who was assumed to be bad vs LHP who turned out to be better than expected with time?
Also, when it comes to the rhetoric. On the major league level, it’s true. Rhetoric is the “Trey Hillman just needs to be given a great team before we judge him” nonsense from people who defend Hillman and DM.
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I remember those posts well
jokes aside, I don’t care if you discuss the link just show an understanding of how platoon splits work. All you needed to do was to argue a) that I was wrong it would cost the Royals significantly more than two runs if they platooned Fields and Gordon (i.e., either the splits analysis is wrong, or the defensive gap is smaller, or someething), and/or b) that the two (or whatever) runs gained outweighs the other factors Will, Morse, and I have mentioned.
That’s all. It’s cool. It’s just that you aren’t engaging the arguments, you’re just repeating your own.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair to BHWick
he does love his platoon splits.
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yeah, I don't want to make it personal
and I’ll drop it now. Platoon splits are meaningful, they just have to be looked at in context
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Let's Take Over
This team. Fuck it, we know what’s best. How come these guys who are actually paid to make a good MLB team suck at it. I’m serious.
What are their criteria? Putting the best team available on the field apparently is not their goal.
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by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
that picture was from a game in cleveland last year
i think gordon had made the last out and then the hot dog race started…
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
He should have been in it
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by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2010 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully the way they are handling Duffy is evidence of
Nick Kenney’s new approach.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
indeed
it could be taken as a positive sign… lets hope so
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought the best way to combat "elbow stiffness"
was to “play through the pain”.
Sincerely,
Dr. Nick
Question -- Does anyone know is there is a reason Spanish speaking players don't report injuries.
The last two years, two Spanish speakers on the team weren’t truthful or diagnosed correctly with season ending injuries that could have been handled earlier. I know both are fighting for roster spots, but they both set their careers back by not having their injuries know and corrected.
I am not sure if there is anything to this, but it might need to be looked at further.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Mar 7, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
You would have to dig up that with the actual spanish players.
They represented that feeling well in Sugar I thought. I don’t know what those players are going thru but I can only imagine it is similar to what the movie depicted.
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I think that is a really interesting topic
I don’t have any real information about, beyond the obvious recognition that there are cultural differences that are likely to present issues.
One slice of information, that started me wondering about questions of that type, came when the company that I was with at the time did an environmental training program at a manufacturing facility in southern California. More than half the workforce was Hispanic, we assigned a Puerto Rican secretary project to the team to assist our Spanish-speaking staff.
The team wound up using her to give one part of the presentation, and to assist with some of the classroom mechanics (handling sign-ins, distributing handouts, etc.) So she was visible and present during the training session.
Afterward, she related to the team how many of Hispanic came up to her during breaks to tell her about health and safety issues they had. We found that most of those items had never been reported or suggested to the plant management.
It seemed that having a Spanish speaking female present made it easier for los hombres to talk about their concerns, but they wouldn’t say anything to another man, Spanish-speaking or not.
by Steve Nelson on Mar 8, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
well look at gordon's quote in that story linked in the post
he also initially didn’t say anything and was supposedly crying when he talked about it
these guys know injuries can mean lots jobs, lost millions, everything… especially when you have a management team that you don’t know fully and probably feel isn’t terribly loyal to you
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently my memory is shot
Who were the two “Spanish speakers” battling for roster spots lost to injury over the past two years?
That seems like a more appropriate name.
by CentralChamps20?? on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Banchi and Aviles
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Mar 8, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
and
Aviles is of Puerto Rican descent… but he’s from NY, and has always lived in the USA.
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Sorry about that all
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Mar 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like a jackass now
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Mar 8, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
hee haw...
i think you stance is mostly legit, but i think the truth lies more in the second half of your post than the first (“fighting for roster spots”). I could definitely see a player who is only making money in this country because he can play baseball as being reluctant to disclose an injury. Especially if he is a marginal player. However, I think nearly any marginal player would be reluctant regardless of their heritage. There’s probably also an argument to be made that it’s more inherent in some cultures than others. But that could be farther broken down to their childhood coaches, how their parents raised them, etc… Maybe there is more of a tendency to hide injuries in foreign players, but I would bet that hiding injuries is more likely to happen if the chance to get to the big leagues, or keep a roster spot, is on the line.
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There are worse things.
The trick is to be thankful when we learn our deficiencies. Like Dayton Moore is.
he should just grow a mustache
to bond with his manager

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Make or break year
I get the feeling that Gordon does not listen to any coaches(hitting, catching popups or sliding) , so if he does have a break out year in 2010, the Royals may start looking at other options at 3rd base.
maybe, but I'm not positive
it was weird of Hillman to go off on that little rant like that
maybe he said something earlier in camp about no sliding head first, maybe hedidn’t
more lilely its just some after the fact bitching
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's a serious problem
Alex Gordon is not only the only Royal, but probably the only baseball player I’ve seen in years going in headfirst on a steal attempt.
Moreover, I think the Royals coaching staff has a long enough record of success of turning players around that Gordon is clearly unique in his obvious stubbornness.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Say what you want
but without a breakout year from Alex Gordon, the Royals are looking at another 90-100 loss season. I’m as frustrated and skeptical of Gordo as the next fan. However, the Royals are not going to be in a pennant race this year so it is crucial we found out once and for all if Gordo is going to be a cornerstone player. For better or worse, when he returns he has to be in lineup nearly everyday. If Hillman farts around with platooning Alex we have potentially set ourselves back even further than what we are, because platooning him with Fields and Callaspo (while a nice contact hitter, with occasional gap to gap power) isn’t going to provide the impact we need. They are what they are. I also don’t trust DM to get enough back for the potential Gordon could provide in the lineup. Obviously we need more pop than just Butler in the lineup and it’s perhaps a sad reflection of where the Royals are right now……. but Alex Gordon is still our best chance at being competitive in the near future as well as being a pivotal piece when (God willing) we ever are contending again
I regret to inform you
that even with a breakout year from Gordon, the Royals are still staring down the barrel of a 90-loss shotgun to the face.
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by Justin Bopp on Mar 8, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Forget the Gordon injury
because it pales in comparison to Bianchi’s.
Yeah, it may cause Gordon to miss a couple of weeks, and it may cause him to start slowly due to basically no ST – but this year is a lost cause anyway. He will have time to develop or not develop, regardless of this injury.
Bianchi, on the other hand, could cause long-term damage to the franchise. Look, I’m not saying he is gonna be great (or even good), but I am saying he could easily be better than Betancourt one day. This injury SEVERELY changes that dynamic. He will miss at least one full year, probably will still be affected by it in 2011 to some degree, and ultimately this may cause Moore to make the egregious mistake of RETAINING Betancourt past what we are already obligated to him for. Sure, they could do something intelligent and actually give Aviles a legit shot at getting his SS job back – but do any of us actually trust the Royals brass to do that? Especially after hearing Moore go nine miles out of his way to defend the Betancourt acquisition? Bianchi was the solution, if you viewed Betancourt as a stop gap. This is probably no longer the case now.
SHIT.
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by loyal2sdad on Mar 8, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
yep
more yuni could very well be part of this
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree
For Gordon, it’s a tough break (although it still makes me furious that he is arrogant enough to think that he could slide hands-first on a steal attempt years after every other pro baseball player stopped doing it) that will only cost him (provided intelligent handling) some goodwill with the rubes, most of whom think he “sucks” already anyway,
As for Bianchi, obviously it’s bad for the organization for all the reasons you mention, but i just feel for him — he loses a year and ages without developing, and that probably drops him way down the list, understandably. I just feel for the guy. Look organizations have to do what they have to do, but this just really, really sucks. There’s a good chance this costs him a chance to ever really make it in the major leagues; I feel for the guy.
Still, I think we can all agree that the sooner the Allard Baird stink is finally washed from this organization the better. There is that.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Along those lines,
this type of thing ends careers. As he’s getting older, he started to see a way to pay some bills with baseball. Now, he is back to making pennies and will be for at least another year at a minimum.
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a little double hearsay to chew on:
My barber told me a year ago that he cuts the hair of a Royals’ bigwig. The bigwig told him that Gordon won’t listen to anybody. George Brett in particular is especially frustrated with him. Sliding into first in the face 1,345 reasons and red flags not to would seem to be confirmation of this.
"Shot by my own men."
Okay, did he slide into first or not?
I thought it was a steal.
But, yes, I am tired of Gordon not heeding Brett’s sage advice to “just do it.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
It was a steal attempt
at 2nd, and he did slide head first. Textual and visual evidence.
Also, headfirst sliding has been proven to be faster, but for obvious reasons, is more dangerous. At least to fingers, hands, and arms. All of which are kind of important when attempting to play baseball.
Finally, Alex knows that he shouldn’t be sliding headfirst, as evidenced by his quote in the second article.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 8, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Alex aside
Sliding into first at all is idiotic.
I thought on steals of second/third/whatever that guys would do it less for speed than to dodge a tag. NOt saying that makes it smart due to the injury thing. I guess I see the headfirst slide on a steal as very different, stupidity-wise, than the slide into first.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 8, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
You're forgetting that
the headfirst dive into first base is perhaps the ultimate grit play. All the better if it occurs in a meaningless game in September.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 8, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
What if...
it happens in a ulta meaningless game in early March?
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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
ulta = ultra
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by aHorseWithNoName on Mar 8, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well, during spring training
there are a lot of Grit Posers just trying to make the team, competing for a starting spot, trying to start the year at a higher minor league level, etc., so there are a lot of selfish guys with personal agendas that you have to filter through. Of course, Dayton and Trey just laugh at shameless, self-promoting exhibitions of Faux Grit.
On the other hand, assuming it’s after September call-ups, and assuming it’s not one of those September call-ups trying to make an impression (a veteran such as Willie Boom-Boom, perhaps), then a late September headfirst dive into first is a Grit Nirvana.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 8, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
good point
I meant sliding head first generally, wherein sliding headfirst into first would be a mere subset of stupid behavior, at least for someone over the age of 12.
"Shot by my own men."
Major props to whoever
Got Gordon, Duffy and Bianchi all in the same photo.
I still need answers about the Jung quote
Jung was, by the way, one of the world’s greatest swordsmen in his day. fyi.
"Shot by my own men."
isn't it obvious
this was foretold in the great hot dog race
by Will McDonald on Mar 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I remember a game
circa 1990. Kingdome.
Brian McRae, in the top of the ninth with two outs, beat out a dribbler by sliding into first, head-first, which allowed a runner from to score from third, and set up Monty for a save.
That, my fellow masochists, is GRIT.
So if Dr. Nick was still in town
How many days would Gordon have been a game time decision before finally getting shut down?
Unless I'm wrong...
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