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Royals Lose Again, Are Quietly Off To A Bad Start

Here are the current ERAs for the guys who started and finished tonight's game for the Royals: 11.37 and 11.74. Those are only the current ERAs from the one-time franchise symbol and rotation stabilizer, Gil Meche, and one of the more interesting live arms snagged by Dayton Moore, Robinson Tejeda. We're nearing a crisis here, regarding this pitching staff, and I'm not sure there's an immediate solution. I didn't think the Royals would be really really bad this year, I merely thought they'd be bad. Now, I'm not sure. They really might lose 100 games.

The Royals have flown under the radar a little bit this season. We can thank the Astros and Orioles for that. (The Orioles are 2-15!) The won-loss record has never been particularly ugly, and 6-10 isn't even that ugly right now. The baseball commentariat hasn't really had its collective, "man, the Royals are bad" moment yet, in part, of course, because that is unnecessary.

That may be coming though. Tonight, it feels like things are about to get ugly.

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It’s going to get uglier than the back of my balls.

"Shot by my own men."

by StonewallPDS on Apr 23, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

and how are we to know you even know what the back of your balls looks like?

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on Apr 24, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Think Presumption

Is quite adequate in this instance.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 24, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know...

i don’t think they are that bad, but we shall see. they are actually competing out there and had some chances tonight, but the meche thing is a huge concern…if he is this bad (or hurt) all year, then this team is in trouble.

there are some positives so far this year, outside of the completely unsustainable starts by podz and kendall:

hughes has quietly been effective;
hochevar has been more poised and generally pitching well;
same for davies as a 5th starter;
greinke had a great start last time out;
soria has been soria;
butler has been pretty decent and still has a lot of room to improve this season

i know, not a lot, but i think this team will end up winning around 75 games or so, if meche gets straightened out. the bullpen will improve, and we have already played the twins 4 times. they are on fire right now. we are 3-3 against the tigers who are also playing very well, and we just got done with a 4-5 road trip.

so, while i never put it past the royals to just shit themselves, i think there are at least some reasons to be positive.

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

the bullpen just terrifies me

how are they ever going to win 2 games in a row with that group?

by Freneau on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other side would be

there is nowhere to go but up right?

by gordonrules on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

but sometimes that doesn’t happen, it just stays awful all year

by Freneau on Apr 24, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regression Toward The

Mean will be our mantra. No one is this bad.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 24, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

true right now

but they can’t continue to be this bad, can they? i think they’re getting better. not good, but better. of course, the other side is that kendall and podz won’t continue this hitting.

if our starting pitching can sustain what it’s done so far and meche can get on track, that will be a huge plus.

we shall see.

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 24, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

the scary thing is

it wasn’t just pods and kendall

at one point the royals were like 3rd in the Al in runs scored

who knows i guess

by Freneau on Apr 24, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to try to stay positive

they seem to be managing injuries much better…plus there has been increased depth that has compensated for aviles, gordon, and now getz being gone.

i like the fact that they made some bullpen moves early and had the depth to do so. there are some really good performances going on in the minors right now, not just quality but quantity…a lot of different guys are performing, so you figure a fair number of them are going to come up and be able to help the team at some point.

but, just talking about the ml level, hochevar’s performance for one has been encouraging.

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 24, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember who

but at least one member of the commentariat has decided the Royals were going to be worst in the league this season.

The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein

by The Ol' Perfesser on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

At the risk of self promoting
"Gil Meche since “132”: 9.10 ERA, 19.8 pitches per inning, 39 walks, 35 Ks in 57 1/3 IP. 17 HRs given up"

“Before tonight’s game, the last time Gil Meche did not give up a HR in a start was June 16th, 2009 (”132"). So he broke an 11 start streak"

This was not a cheap streak, Meche was yanked in the 4th three times during “the streak”

so Jason Kendall’s hit streak was not the only streak ended tonight.

Meche gave up 2 HRs in 2009 before 132 and 15 HRs in 2009 after 132.

Also, if the pitching continues to be terrible, when will people call for Jason Kendall’s gamecalling power to be curtailed?

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Apr 24, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

re: Kendall

just saying, if you got someone who has total power, working with a staff that he is not completely familiar with, there’s a lot of potential for some really bad pitch selection.

Although Meche has sucked since this team shredded his arm in the middle of 2009. Way to shoot the Golden Goose, Trey

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Apr 24, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, to be accurate

I guess Meche only had his back cracked. Which has probably caused him to do things that make him a much worse pitcher than he was in the first half of his contract.

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Apr 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been to two Meche starts now...both painful to watch.

The guy is almost guaranteed to throw at least 20 pitches an inning.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Apr 24, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

good thing that non-conference precedes Big 12 Play for KU

or else they’d have players getting called busts for how they performed through like 2 games of a 32+ game season

Anyways, guys who are still moving upwards aren’t close to busts. Guys who fall on their faces after a certain point are busts. Colt Griffin, Mike Stodolka as a pitcher.

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Apr 24, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let the wheels fall off

I don’t know how much longer I can legitimately follow the Royals if Moore/Hillman are back next season.

I didn’t even get MLBtv this year…first time since 2006….just don’t want to deal with all the heartburn and stress of this team.

Im just really hoping this regime gets the boot. I need a freaking fan restart. We’ve been crapped all over for too long.

But, the process must go on….

by wildthang on Apr 24, 2010 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know how you can be so sure on HIllman

I think he comes back because I think if GMDM fires him, it makes GMDM almost easier to get rid of…If he keeps Hillman at the helm, he can still throw this “Trust the Process” crap out there & at Glass. If he gets rid of HIllman, the process takes a hit…

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Apr 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I go both ways

On one hand, the “obvious” thing is for Moore to make Hillman a scapegoat and can him either during a massive team slump or after the season.

On the other hand, GoBabies!! makes a good point, and that jibes with things I’ve heard from people around there that Hillman and Moore are really tight, and that as long as Moore is there, Hillman will be.

So the answer is I don’t know. It probably lies somewhere in between, whereas Moore is really committed to HIllman personally, but will ditch him in order to save his own skin preserve The Process™. Not that that’s any different than many GM/manager situations.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 24, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a risk though

Because when the next guy inevitably fails to make this team win, the focus will shift unavoidably to Moore and the “talent” that he has provided for his managers to work with.

I still think they just let him go in the off season when his contract is up.

by kcbottom9th on Apr 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Yankees will be all over him!

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

Attendance: 16605, on a Friday Night and that’s with the people who bought tickets ahead of time being counted no matter what. The walkup seems to not have shown up. Which is weird since the ads for the series were so good.

Rick Ankiel hasn’t gotten a single hit since last Saturday.

And when Getz comes off of the DL, I expect this organization to just alternate Callaspo and Gordon. In the scheme of things, I can see why they traded Teahen, but they really gummed up their roster by taking one guy who could play the infield and outfield, and trading him for two guys who can only play the infield on a game with too many infielders and not enough outfielders.

Dayton Moore’s Winchester House Roster Construction is just nutty sometimes and it really hogties the team

Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore

by BHWick on Apr 24, 2010 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Winchester House

nice reference

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Apr 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything is sad and hopeless.

Pitching, hitting, fielding, attendance. This team’s attributes are (1) one great starter who can’t get a win because of the bullpen and (2) one great closer who goes days without pitching because the team rarely has the lead late in the game. I usually say that in sports things are never as bad (or, when applicable, as good) as they seem, but holy shit, it’s hard to justify that with this team.

by Black and Gold on Apr 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

it seems like my entire fantasy team is on the disabled list. I can barely field a lineup. The only happy thought I have is that one of my opponents picked up Jason Kendall (!!!) yesterday. Talk about buying the stock when it is as high as it is going to get.

by Black and Gold on Apr 24, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

we still stink

and are on the train to 106…

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Apr 24, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

IMO, at the end of the year...

…..for better or worse, the casual fanbase will begin to show a bitter resentment toward our front office, notably Dayton Moore….

67-95, my original prediction, is beginning to look optimistic. Will, you’re absolutely correct. Things are about to get really ugly.

by Royals Nation on Apr 24, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

and

the Royals should trade Meche while his value is low.

Changing sports talk one ignorant soul at a time

by Peterman700 on Apr 24, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I really don't understand pitching at all

but a part of me thinks the best thing for meche would be a month or so off

by Freneau on Apr 24, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds reasonable...

But the scary part is the Royals truly believe Gil is 100%. He’s supposedly feeling fine as evidenced by his fastball. He’s had enough starts this spring that he should be A-OK. So if he’s doing fine health wise it’s very frightening that he has lost his control. He may or may not be washed up, but things are not looking good right now.

by kansasjhawk044 on Apr 24, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meche really is hurting us

So let’s give him the Juan Cruz treatment and send a real message!

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by Primacy on Apr 24, 2010 4:52 AM EDT reply actions  

You'll know it's bad

When sports writers start to apply the tag “lowly” every time they mention the Royals. Then those writers will go off to bars and laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh as though they were the first ones to use the adjective.

by LaFLamme on Apr 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Well the Ankiel honeymoon is fucking over

That guy really does suck….maybe we could use him in the bullpen, but theres no freakng way that guy should be starting every game in CF. Dude can’t hit or field….let’s have Pods play CF and start Mitch in LF.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't agree more except Mitch should play CF

Ankiel is a total joke !

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by kcscoliny on Apr 24, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude has a hose! A hose, I tell you!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im sure we go 12-1 over the next 13 games.

Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell

by averagegatsby on Apr 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

one of my rare visits. wanted to add--the shredding of Meche's

arm began a few games after he got here. See early 2007 right out of spring training pitch counts. in response to posting those concerns at the time, I was getting in reply—pitch counts no matter, he’s a stud, he can go, we’re paying him to do that, and other such absurdity.

additionally, anyone noting from the photos I am seeing in KC Star a reduction in team conditioning since a year ago. D.J. lacks last year’s musculature, ditto Callapso, Butler appears as if he’s back on pizza and faux sit ups, other teams players again look physically larger than Royals in the photos.

by Coach Feb on Apr 24, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That's true.

I remember Meche saying he could throw 150 pitches, it didn’t matter.

by Dadunca on Apr 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's scary to me...

that our bats have been out performing any reasonable projection thus far and we’re still 6-10. I would feel much better about this team if the bats had been horrible to this point and we were 6-10. Granted, the bullpen has been responsible for like 5 losses and the bullpen is arguably the “easiest” part of a team to fix, but I have no expectation that GMDM can pull that off. Once the bats go quiet, and they will, we’re in store for losing in massive quantities.

by Bart41 on Apr 24, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it's sad that 6-10 seems like overperformance

but I don’t see any way the bullpen gets better, and the bats can only get worse.

I want to see a full collapse. 50-60 wins and a GMDM and Trey housecleaning courtesy of a Mr. Glass. It’s the only way out. If Glass has been talked into cutting losses on Juan Cruz, maybe he’ll cut his losses with the management team as well.

by AxDxMx on Apr 24, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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