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I try not to criticize Trey Hillman too much. He's really only a very very small part of the problem here. Nevertheless... what... the... hell... is... this?

Star-divide

Bottom 8th: Kansas City

- M. Lowe relieved B. League
- B. Butler flied out to right
- J. Guillen struck out swinging
- A. Callaspo singled to shallow right center
- A. Gordon ran for A. Callaspo
- J. Kendall grounded out to shortstop

With the Royals set to send Yuni Betancourt (career .277/.300/.393 hitter) and Willie Bloomquist (career .263/.318/.331 hitter) up shortly, why do you burn Gordon to pinch run there?

I'm hoping that it comes out postgame that Callaspo tweaked a hammy running to first or something. If not, I have absolutely no idea what Trey Hillman was thinking. None.

What can't they mismanage?

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Gordon pinchrunning in the 8th

has to be top three for bonehead move of the year to date (arguably #1). Callaspo had better leave the stadium on crutches otherwise Hillman is borderline crazy.

by stram#1 on Apr 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i just can't accept all this

yeah, yeah, hind sight’s 20/20

but still, it takes a toddler of average intelligence mere seconds to realize this sucks.

trey is just dropping the ball. in the rare instances where we even have a ball to drop… he craps himself.

by AtTheWall on Apr 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

its not like Gordon was going to do anything

anyway if he DID pinch hit.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, cause he does that all the time

it was news because it was so unique

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you'd honestly rather have Betancourt and Kendall hitting in that situation

instead of Alex Gordon?

Nobody hits game-winning home runs “all the time,” but the odds are that Gordon’s bat would have helped the team more than Yuni’s or JK’s.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I forgot

Bloomquist, as well. Which would have made perfect sense, because if the Royals just tied in the 9th, then you can put Gordon at 3B and shift Callaspo over to 2B.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that given the monumental pile of suck

that is this team, and that Gordon has turned out to be, the chances of him altering this game positively in any meaningful way is at an extremely low order of probability

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

and it was much lower with bloomquist hitting

i mean, we’re gonna suck, but we should at least try

by Freneau on Apr 28, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I'm saying it would not have mattered

you’re entitled to your opinion

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on dude

yeah, everyone is entitled to their opinion – but you really can’t see the stupidity of this?

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the way this team is going

we could put god the father, son or holy spirit up to pinch hit right now and I guarantee the best we’d get is a loud foul before a weak ground out

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So even if GOD was available

Hillman should bat Bloomquist instead? I mean, he IS St. Willie, but still…

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

did not say that either.

Just said it would not matter

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't matter if God was batting instead of St. Willie?

I have clearly underestimated Bloomquist’s powers.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the way this team is going

I need to go to Vegas and see if I can still get a bet down for the Royals to exceed 110 losses.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are betting that the Royals will suck no matter who bats

Then fine, but saying Gordon isn’t better than Kendall or Yuni is ludicrous.

by AxDxMx on Apr 28, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus can't hit a slider

fact

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus can throw a HOLY SLIDER

(in the tone and cadence of Holy Diver by DIO)

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you telling me

that Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?

by MinnesotaRoyal on Apr 28, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry that you're shattered expectation of Gordon becoming "The Next Brett"

has altered your reality so much that you think he’d be worse than Bloomquist at the plate.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that

I said it would not have mattered

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think the point is that we'll never know if it would have mattered

because Hillman’s stupidity precluded Alex from actually being able to hit in the situation.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will was trying to say

chances of a Gordon PH homer may be about 1 in 40 or 50.

Chances of Bloomquist homer are about 1 in 200 or 300.

They should at least try, shouldn’t they?

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fresh legs

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if you're banking on the chance of a

homer as a difference maker, when we’re talking about Royals pinch hitting, the game’s already over.

By the way, I’m no fan of Hillman either. I’m certainly no defender of his.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're actually above .500 by Pythagorean Standings

Maybe that’ll help temper your dispair

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/standings.php

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was last week

we’ve sucked harder since then

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

-100 on everything you've said in this thread

I lost IQ points reading your comments.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Apr 28, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

gee that's a shame

I’d feel worse if I actually cared

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, baseball is a game of percentages and there are definitely no guarantees

But I’m pretty sure that batting Gordon for someone in the 9th (or, hell, Kendall) is a better use of his primary skill (i.e. hitting) than pinch running for someone he’s not much faster than, if any.

It’s not likely to have changed the game, but it’s possible. The fact that the idea to pinch run for Bert with Alex is I think what people are hung up on.

by sterlingice on Apr 28, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Pretty Sure

A-Gor is significantly faster than Bert.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 28, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hillman loves to pinch run in close games

And our bench is so deep, there’s no reason not to use Gordon there

by cbrett42 on Apr 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

especially when gordon is like 1% faster than callaspo

by Freneau on Apr 28, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon has already shown the ability to slide head first into 2nd

he really wants 2nd base

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 28, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Are Correct

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

It’s not the speed differential that makes it smart/dumb, it’s the strategery involved

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sure hope somebody in the press asks about this

sometimes they neglect to – but this was so stupid, even the friendly KC press HAS to bring it up, right?

Then, I can read some inane Hillmanesque defense of the move, stated in an overly complicated fashion, with a very defensive tone.

Road trip coming up will be BRUTAL. We have been getting pounded in TB for a few years now – and this year they are REALLY good. Unless Zack wins Sunday, that might easily be a 4 game sweep, and a 6 game losing streak. That will set the tone for the remainder of the trip to Chicago and Texas. I’m predicting a 3-8 or 2 -9 trip. They could even possibly do worse.

Season over for sure.

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

we haven't played Tampa yet either

I see the first double digit losing streak of the year

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Optimism! :D

Yeah, this does have all the makings of one of those death spiral road trips, tho :(

by sterlingice on Apr 28, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you put these together in a compilation?

“Ballad of a Royals Fan” perhaps?

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the chorus

Christ you know it ain’t easy
you know how hard it can be
the way things are going
gonna institutionalize me

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

she takes pity on the oppressed and the underclass

Royals fans qualify both ways

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a parody of "Casey at the Bat"

So I guess it ought to be called “Yuni at the Bat.” I did coin “the Big Yunit” but I’ve been using it for a while.

POD WILL EXPLOD!!!!1!!

by Juancho on Apr 29, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had hoped everyone got that

If not, go back to baseball reading 101 and feel very bad about yourself :(

by sterlingice on Apr 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, that was way too harsh

At least feel slightly less good about yourself. But don’t feel bad. You already have enough pain in your life. You follow the Royals

by sterlingice on Apr 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Big Yunit

Did you just coin that? It needs to become his primary nickname.

by cbrett42 on Apr 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Hillman must've trolled by Royals Review and realized some of us were coming around

and he decided to put a stop to that movement.

I, for one, am happy to oblige. I hereby renounce my support for the Trey-Hillman-is-improving bandwagon

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

there was a bandwagon for that?

The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986

by labbadabba on Apr 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

MinnesotaRoyals and I were putting it together

JFMorse has been a sometimes member as well I think

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i havent been as critical of hillman this year as in the past b/c the deck is so stacked against him....

with trey’s shittily constructed roster…but moves like Gordon PR…are inexcusable

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Apr 28, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a fair point

He has been dealt a horrific hand.

Moore needs to adjust the bullpen to a 12 man staff, then I would add Getz, Aviles, and Kila, while dumping one of the 13 pitchers, Bloomquist, and Ankiel.

Let Guillen serve as the 4th outfielder – judging by how Hillman is using Pods and DDJ, he wouldn’t be expected to play many innings out there anyway.

Normal lineup would let you use Callaspo as super sub, playing either 2B or 3B, and free Gordon up to give Billy a day off as needed at 1B; Getz could shift to SS as needed to give Yuni a day off, and every day, Aviles is available as your ace bench guy, with Kila as your ace pinch hitter.

Sorry this was so hard for you, Trey.

By the way – this plan would never happen in a million years.

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need a 13 man pitching staff

we can distribute that amount of suckitude to only 12 players

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Apr 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

can = can't

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Apr 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

With me, it's more been a case of

he’s been getting criticized for making moves which actually weren’t stupid. He still makes some stupid moves, but, as Billy says just above me here, he’s trying to play a game of War and his deck has no face cards.

I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.

by jonfmorse on Apr 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this analogy

“playing a game of war and his deck has no face cards”

I’m going to reuse it, but I’ll try to give credit where due.

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was in on that

I definitely am part of the camp that he can only work with what he has. I’ll always agree that he makes some horrible decisions, but he has the potential to be a decent/passable/adequate manager given a GM that doesn’t provide crap to work with.

by MinnesotaRoyal on Apr 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, too, was starting to come around a little bit

One move doesn’t kill all that but it does still show some thinking that’s, ahem, less than critical.

by sterlingice on Apr 28, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give Hillman a break

With a thin bench like this and Getz coming back, it’s going to be really tough to bury Pena, Gordon, AND Callaspo. He’s trying, and today is just a first step in the right direction.

Pods forever.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Assuming Callaspo was not injured on the play

the stupidity of that move is so blatant as to constitute a fireable offense in and of itself.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Trey just said....

Gordy runs better than A.C.

Folks we hired the village idiot.

by RaulDuke on Apr 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gordon is faster than Callaspo

Order of low speed:

-Gordon

-Butler
-Callaspo
-Guillen

by Boots 58 on Apr 28, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Callaspo is faster than Butler.

If I had to guess, I’d say Gordon is roughly 10% faster than Callaspo and has better acceleration. I could eventually see Gordon going 20/20.

by AxDxMx on Apr 29, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's funny...

with all the nicknames he uses, I think I’m going to start imagining he’s actually mentally challenged. Hearing him say “Gordy runs better than Kendy” will be a laugh-riot.

by Crooow on Apr 28, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even after eliminating Gordon as a PH how about the switch-hitting Pena for a righty-lefty matchup instead of Spork? Of course that’d probably work a little better if Pena had more than 4 plate appearances all year…

by HisownZone on Apr 28, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you completely

Although I’m not sure what the defensive alignment would’ve looked like in the 10th if they had tied it up.

by cbrett42 on Apr 28, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You worry about tying it up first

then figure out something on defense.

The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein

by The Ol' Perfesser on Apr 28, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that, and I agree

But because of how the bench had been used earlier in the game, and assuming Ankiel was unavailable, it is something you have to consider. (Although I’d argue that it should have been considered before pointlessly using Alex Gordon in the 8th.) So, assuming you used Pena to pinch hit, and tied it up. What’s your plan for the 10th? Pena at 2B? Kendall at 2B with Pena behind the plate? Pena at first with Billy playing 2B? Pena to RF, DeJesus to CF, and Maier at 2B? I really don’t know which of these options is the best (i.e. least worst), but you’d have to have a plan.

by cbrett42 on Apr 28, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ph for Yuni, play Xaq at SS

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Apr 28, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!!!!

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, no, I wouldn't "have" to have a plan

I want to win the damn game in the ninth. Of course, I’m not the damned idiot who used Gordon as a pinch-runner so I don’t actually have this problem.

The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein

by The Ol' Perfesser on Apr 28, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the Royals got fucked on the call against Minny,

Hillman stated “Pena has a chance to hit one out”

He must have forgot about that today.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Apr 28, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but how did the bullpen do?

only one run! it’s a process, people!

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Apr 28, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

so what are the odds I'll look like an asshole

and trey will say ’bert was sore or something

by Freneau on Apr 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

who cares?

trey sucks.

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Apr 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that winds up being the case

just move on to Kendall getting 95% of the playing time

Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Apr 28, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

Gordon just “runs down the line” better, or something

by Freneau on Apr 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hillman should be fired for so many reasons

The mildly annoying pinch run thing becomes that much more insignificant.

by LaFLamme on Apr 28, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Any thoughts on the Kevin Kietzman idea

Of starting our relievers for 1-2 innings, having our starting go 6-7, then pitching Soria for the 9th?

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

How do the batters feel

about starting every game in a 5-0 (or worse) hole? I suppose at least then they’d know what they’re up against early, rather than a demoralizing comeback in the later innings.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's retarded (sorry Sarah)

Why throw away a chance for a starter to go more than 6-7 innings? If our best pitchers (the starters) are dealing, I want them in there for as many innings as they can last.

Also, is Keitzman under the impression that the guys in the bullpen are good, but it’s just the pressure that’s getting to them? Otherwise this makes no sense.

This plan basically just guarantees that we have to endure guys from the bullpen pitching in a close game every single game.

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's good to be reminded that things could be worse than Hillman

Keitzman could be the manager.

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any time the "fire Hillman" voices

get louder, I consider it a significant consolation.

by LaFLamme on Apr 28, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

does it matter?

we’ve sucked for 25+ years now.even if changes are eventually made, i’m automatically assuming they will fail…

where's ross gload to explode the process?

by blue bandwagon on Apr 28, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

very wise

we have really locked ourselves into the functional equivalent of the Cubs now.. the Flying Dutchman of the American League

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Apr 28, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming you're exaggerating for effect with the "25+ years"

because October 27, 1985 was (ever so slightly) less than 25 years ago.

by cbrett42 on Apr 28, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy being Billy

made a valid point about Hillman being dealt a horrible deck.

But I also have ask: What would a “good” manager do, given the roster construction he was handed? For example, would LaRussa just stand by if he was totally hamstrung by the GM? Granted, he has had success and would be more comfortably bitching a fit about it, because he could get a job anywhere. Still – show some stones Hillman, and ask your GM to give you some tools to work with. (unless, of course, you agree with the roster construction – then all is lost anyway)

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

He certainly has been dealt a terrible deck

but I don’t see how it could possibly excuse splitting the two 5’s he was holding.

I’m not certain what a “good” manager would do…maybe pinch Pena for Kendall, figuring the best chance of getting Callaspo around with 2 outs was a double or HR, something Pena is far more likely to do than Kendall. Then probably hitting Gordon for Bloomquist in the 9th, figuring that if you tie it up, you just slide Callaspo over to 2B and play Gordon at 3B. Letting Kendall bat in the 8th is probably acceptable, too, assuming you’re planning on using both Gordon and Pena for Betancourt and Bloomquist if Kendall gets on or in the 9th.

It seems like the problem is that Hillman was managing as if his cards were better than what he had, or that he thought he had more of them. We’ll never know if he’s demanded/begged Dayton for more bench help, but we can at least expect him to utilize the limited cards he’s got in an appropriate strategy.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone seen Soria?

I know we’re holding him for high-lev situations and all (excluding tie games with winning run on 2nd and 1 out in the 8th, of course).

by amosotis on Apr 28, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Final thought (looking at the big picture)

If I tod you back in March, that come April 28th, the Royals would have gone 7-5 in games started by Hochevar, Banny, and Davies, what would your reaction have been?

Chances are, you might have asked me how big a lead we had on the division! A common scenario for how we might improbably contend would nearly always include comments about how the 1-2 punch of Greinke and Meche at least gave the Royals some hope, etc. etc.

Alas, the team has gone 1-8 in games started by the acknowledged top 2 starters on the team.

Unbelievable. This team can’t win for losing. Definitely star-crossed or something. (Yeah, I know – a more rational explanation of “something” would include poor ownership, poor GM, and poor managing)

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Apr 28, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

and the road trip is going to just wreck this team

I’m pretty damned sure that they’re going to lose close to 10 games. They’re aligned poorly with the Rays, White Sox, and Rangers.

I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"

by BHWick on Apr 28, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Guys

We won our game Monday, don’t you know we win 1 out of 3 yet. Thats why I did not get upset today. We had already won our game. No stress if you know we will win 33%.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Apr 28, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

You do realize

that winning one of every three games on the season ends up in a record of 54-108.

The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein

by The Ol' Perfesser on Apr 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The '62 Mets are safe

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 29, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on these stats?

2010 ROYALS TEAM BATTING: OVERALL AND SITUATIONAL
Through 4/27/10

Overall: .291/.342/.440
None on Base: .280/.337/.446
Scoring Position: .251/.307/.365
Bases Loaded: .133/.125/.133

Usual caveats about small sample, etc. etc.

This implies our stat line is awesome when there’s only a runner on 1st.

by amosotis on Apr 28, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

How about we sign these 3 bullpen arms

All 3 free agents

Chad Bradford
Russ Springer
David Weathers

Old? Yes. Not that good? True. Worse than what we have? Doubtful.

Its become clear that we aren’t gonna get our wish of calling up Rosa and Hayes and other minor leaguers, so what the hell, sign those guys, it certainly couldn’t be worse.

by focs on Apr 28, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

As long as we're complaining about Hillman's use of Gordon...

I direct your attention to something that actually happened BEFORE I left the K this afternoon:

Bottom of the Sixth.

The Royals score four runs off Rowland-Smith to tie the game. With Willie Bloomquist in the on-deck circle, Wakamatsu takes out his lefty starter for a righty reliever (B. League) (Hey, the guy is even named “B-League”). Am I the only person who thought, “hey, our left-handed starting third sacker is sitting on the bench”?

Since I would have considered a counter-move at that point, I looked to the dugout. While League was taking his warmup tosses, Gordon actually got up and walked over to the end of the dugout, like, you know, maybe something was about to happen. St. Willie walked from the on-deck circle over to the steps and had a conversation with someone… and then walked over to the batter’s box.

At that point, we had a tie game, with the go-ahead run (Maier) standing on third.

It took B-League two pitches to get out of the inning.

I know it was only the sixth, and therefore, according to Trey, a low leverage situation, but this begs to differ.

by kcemigre on Apr 28, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

An excellent point.

Hillman sometimes gets undeserved criticism for the moves he does make, but there are still plenty of moves he doesn’t make, but should, that slip by.

"I think a tactical error might have been committed by the manager of the Royals"

by KSinDC on Apr 28, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I made this same point when it came up during the game

by XBic on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is probably the offense we should be focusing on

it does seem at times that when the game is on the line mistakes are amplified (ie a Hillman-san high leverage situation)

however, this seems to be a much greater error

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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